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davidnazee:
I bet if any part of the East Igbo Kingdoms have an outstanding and powerful history like Benin kingdom you Yorubas would have claimed it as a Yoruba empire founded by Yoruba. Afterall you claimed Yufi in Zimbabwe and Nupe as Ife.

this is not about claiming anything. It is about relating true history. Igodomigodo was edo but Benin empire was Yoruba. Nowadays Benin kingdom is now edo.

lawani:
this is not about claiming anything. It is about relating true history. Igodomigodo was edo but Benin empire was Yoruba. Nowadays Benin kingdom is now edo.

Madness they your head,


Do you know more than samuel johson,

When samuel johson wrote he never used the word oba and even wrote oromiyan journey to benin in his publications



Untill our oba made those political remark of coming from ife, even yorubas never knew of it because it never existed ,
Eweka made those statements for political homogeneity between edo and Yoruba people for
Political reasons out of minority fear soon we realized we were still marginalized after still claiming ancestory to yorubas we decided to pull out

davidnazee:
You Yorubas are actually very shallow minded.. You guys really have slave mentality.. You sound like "house niggers" (those slaves employed to work in home administration rather than cotton fields. They always felt they were better than other slaves). So working in Benin palace which was the greatest palace in the world for your guys was an achievement. Benin Empire's ministers where Edos, army officials were Edos, administrators sent to administer conquered territories where Edos, jugdes Edos, the Oba's council were Edos.. The work of the Yorubas slaves in the palace was, gardeners, cleaners, gatemen, houseboys and house girls.. so far they had these jobs in the great Benin palace was a boost for their weak ego.

Anyways please go read about why Yoruba were employed in the palace.. you will find it was because it is easy to punish them, behead them for any offence because they are foreigners and nobody will ask questions unlike if they were Edos then they cannot be treated unjustly..
so keep celebrating your weakness..

"Slaves" were running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom

In fact, same "slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the Kingdom's lingua-franca.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

gregyboy:
Lol, even when samuel johson wrote in 1897 he never use the word Oba in his publications in the history of yorubas published in 1921

gregyboy:
... Do you know more than samuel johson,

When samuel johson wrote he never used the word Oba ...

Several example of the use of the word "Oba" in relation to Yoruba monarchs of Oyo particularly is found in S. Johnson's "The History of the Yorubas".

Here are few examples quoted directly word-for-word from the same book:

(a) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the ALAFIN and his Basorun. The ALAFIN is Oba ("a king"), he is Iba ("a lord" )."

(b) "From this incident, King ABIPA was nick-named Oba M'oro ("the King who caught ghosts" )."

(c) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku dede ki a ko iwi wo Akesan, Oba, Jayin te ori gba aso". ("At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King JAYIN buried his head in a shroud." ) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable."

(d) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [i.e. King AOLE himself] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" ("may the King's sword destroy me" ) was the new form of oath!"

Reference:
Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas". Completed 1897. Published 1921. p.71, p.166, p.171, and p.188 respectively.

The 2by2 Benin Kingdom obviously needs deranged liars like gregyboy.

Stop lying and I'd stop disgracing you all and your 2by2 kingdom.

cc: lawani

gregyboy:
Untill our oba made those political remark of coming from ife, even yorubas never knew of it because it never existed ,

Eweka made those statements for political homogeneity between edo and Yoruba people for Political reasons out of minority fear soon we realized we were still marginalized after still claiming ancestory to yorubas we decided to pull out

(1) Eweka II ruled from 1914, and died in 1933.

(2) There was nothing like the Old Western Region until the year 1967 when it was first formed.

(3) So, your wEsTeRn ReGiOn/pOliTiCaL rEaSon excuse drops dead right before your very eyes.

You have to come up with another lie. Yes you can do this. Remeber you're a Bini.

cc: lawani

lawani:
this is not about claiming anything. It is about relating true history. Igodomigodo was edo but Benin empire was Yoruba. Nowadays Benin kingdom is now edo.

Don't be deceived by him. Someone like him who lies to himself will have no problem lying to others.

The Yufi described by Ibn Battuta has two faces.

(a) One face, in the south-eastern part of Africa, is now identified as Zimbabwe.

(b) The main face of Yufi --- that is, the western face (which was in contact with Mali) is no other than Ile-Ife.

(c) This western face used to be thought to be Nupe. But that thought has now been found, by scholars, to be based on an assumption of conflation of Arabic "y" and "n".

See Sutton's final conclusion below.

TAO12:
Several example of the use of the word "Oba" in relation to Yoruba monarchs of Oyo particularly is found in S. Johnson's "The History of the Yorubas".

Here are few examples quoted directly word-for-word from the same book:

(a) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the Alafin and his Basorun. The Alafin is Oba ("a king"), he is Iba ("a lord" )."

(b) "From this incident, king Abipa was nick-named Oba M'oro ("the King who caught ghosts" )."

(c) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku die ki a ko Iwi wo Akesan, Oba Jayin te ori gba aso". ("At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King Jayin buried his head in a shroud." ) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable."

(d) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [King Aole] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" ("may the King's sword destroy me" ) was the new form of oath!"

Reference:
Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas", Completed 1897, published 1921.

The 2by2 Benin Kingdom obviously needs deranged liars like gregyboy.

Stop lying and I'd stop disgracing you all and your 2by2 kingdom.

cc: lawani

Nigga first edition...........

Go find the first edition not the revised version mumu we have five subsequent revision of his book history of yoruba and the original ones differed from the subsequent


The original copy never used the word oba
Mugu.....

Replying you is a waste of effort



If you aint bringing what i want no further replies from me to you

TAO12:
(1) Eweka II ruled from 1914, and died in 1933.

(2) There was nothing like the Old Western Region until the year 1967 when it was first formed.

(3) So, your wEsTeRn ReGiOn/pOliTiCaL rEaSon excuse drops dead right before your very eyes.

You have to come up with another lie. Yes you can do this. Remeber you're a Bini.

cc: lawani

thanks, the Benin empire was a sister state to the other West African Yoruba states like oyo, Ijesa and etc. The obas were Yoruba and they lived in a palace which was a city on its own with 50 thousand people, all these people spoke Yoruba and were Yoruba. That is the correct history which some edo revisionists are trying to rewrite. We won't let them.

[quote author=gregyboy post=89722622][/quote]Ruthless Ibadan. Go baby! Go baby!!

davidnazee:
No.. Edo was the original language spoken in Ife..

Evidence please!

Don't give the same excuse you've been repeating that shebi I already know you're an illiterate with nothing to cite from.

gregyboy:
Madness they your head,


Do you know more than samuel johson,

When samuel johson wrote he never used the word oba and even wrote Voromiyan journey to benin in his publications



Untill our oba made those political remark of coming from ife, even yorubas never knew of it because it never existed ,
Eweka made those statements for political homogeneity between edo and Yoruba people for
Political reasons out of minority fear soon we realized we were still marginalized after still claiming ancestory to yorubas we decided to pull out

Pls try and do without insults if you must mention me. Benin empire was one of Yoruba achievements in West Africa.

lawani:
Pls try and do without insults if you must mention me. Benin empire was one of Yoruba achievements in West Africa.

Yoruba is one of benin achievements in africa....

gregyboy:
Nigga first edition...........

Go find the first edition not the revised version mumu we have five subsequent revision of his book history of yoruba and the original ones differed from the subsequent

The original copy never used the word oba
Mugu.....

Replying you is a waste of effort

If you aint bringing what i want no further replies from me to you

Listen up, dumb Bini illiterate, there is only one edition of S. Johnson's "The History of The Yorubas" since its completion and publication in 1897 and 1921 respectively.

What you have subsequently are "reprints" in 1937, 1956, 1957, 1960, etc.

As the bona-fide illiterate that you are, I perfectly understand your failure to grasp the difference between "editions" and "reprints".

For your information, "reprints" are made to rectify errata and corrigenda in a published work.

Anyways, see the link below for the digital version of the raw text of "The History of the Yorubas".

http://archive.org/stream/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john_djvu.txt

Again, you are a sour loser and an unfortunate liar who has just been disgraced again as always.

I won't stop disgracing you and your 2by2 Kingdom until you stop lying.

cc: lawani

gregyboy:
Yoruba is one of benin achievements in africa....

Evidence please! 

Don't give the same excuse you've been repeating that shebi I already know you're an illiterate with nothing to cite from.

gregyboy:
Yoruba is one of benin achievements in africa....

your language does not pass Benin city while Yoruba was spoken by several states in West Africa including the Benin empire. You need to be honest and accept that Yoruba was the lingua franca of the Benin empire but whether you agree or not, you can not change history.

gregyboy:
Yoruba is one of benin achievements in africa....

Oyo, Benin, Ijesa, Ijebu and etc are all Yoruba achievements.

TAO12:
"Slaves" were running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom

In fact, same "slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the Kingdom's lingua-franca.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

Yoruba slaves hired as palace staff, stop confusing yourself.. I told you earlier, it is easier to punish a foreigner than a citizen.. That is the reason Yorubas were hired to work in the palace. And it is known world over that Kings always hire foreigners with no affiliations to anyone to work in the palace administration..

davidnazee:
Yoruba slaves hired as palace staff, stop confusing yourself.. I told you earlier, it is easier to punish a foreigner than a citizen.. That is the reason Yorubas were hired to work in the palace. And it is known world over that Kings always hire foreigners with no affiliations to anyone to work in the palace administration..

Yes, Benin may have indeed enslaved captives from some minority Yoruba-speaking frontier settlements such as some Bariba people, et al.

Although, these are people who also have adopted Yoruba as their language, they are clearly not Yoruba people ethnically speaking.

They are certainly not Yoruba people per se. And even your own attachment with its probabilistic statement also admits that.

However, the Ibadan (all the way from the Yoruba interior) came to raid Benin Kingdom for slaves for a long time. (see 2nd attachment for a fresh reminder).

Having countered that, you are yet to explain how these "same slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the lingua-franca for the whole of Benin Kingdom.

Also, you are still yet to explain how these "same slaves" managed to be the ones running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

TAO12:
Yes, Benin may have indeed enslaved captives from some minority Yoruba-speaking frontier settlements such as some Bariba people, et al.

Although, these are people who also have adopted Yoruba as their language, they are clearly not Yoruba people ethnically speaking.

They are certainly not Yoruba people per se. And even your own attachment with its probabilistic statement also admits that.

However, the Ibadan (all the way from the Yoruba interior) came to raid Benin Kingdom for slaves for a long time. (see 2nd attachment for a fresh reminder).

Having countered that, you are yet to explain how these "same slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the lingua-franca for the whole of Benin Kingdom.

Also, you are still yet to explain how these "same slaves" managed to be the ones running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

You are quick to deny ur Slave people but yet still feel a sense of pride and achievements from working in the greatest palace on earth.
It’s ok to feel that way but they are slaves.

davidnazee:
You are quick to deny ur Slave people but yet still feel a sense of pride and achievements from working in the greatest palace on earth.
It’s ok to feel that way but they are slaves.

was the oba and his chiefs slaves too? Because Yoruba was their lingua franca.

TAO12:
The supposed "Yoruba slaves" were at the helm of administration of Benin Kingdom from the palace.

Speaks so much about the Edo subjects whom these "slaves" ruled over and conquered.




Sounds more like: Yoruba language was employed by Yoruba slaves "in the palace administration of Benin Kingdom" over their Edo subjects.

Is there any book you have on Zaire-Katanga history ? I am just curious. And if yes, let me know!


Cheers.

Olu317:
Is there any book you have on Zaire-Katanga history ? I am just curious. And if yes, let me know!

Cheers.

No I don't!

PS: This is TAO!

davidnazee:
You are quick to deny ur Slave people but yet still feel a sense of pride and achievements from working in the greatest palace on earth.
It’s ok to feel that way but they are slaves.

lawani:
was the oba and his chiefs slaves too? Because Yoruba was their lingua franca.

Obviously, those Yoruba-speaking Bariba slaves (most likely) found a way of enslaving the Benin King right in his own palace, and his chiefs too (and the whole of Benin Kingdom at large), and then imposed Yoruba langugae as the lingua-franca /s

Otherwise, davidnazee must explain how these "slaves" managed to impose their Yoruba language on the Benin King, his chiefs and on Benin Kingdom at large.

NB: Even his attached source admits to being unsure if these "slaves" are indeed Yorubas ethnically, or a group from another ethnicity who have themselves only adopted the Yoruba language.

lawani:
was the oba and his chiefs slaves too? Because Yoruba was their lingua franca.

We dont have nothing to do with you slaves rather than giving you guys guns to kill yourself


Everything we share with the yorubas were influenced by benins

gregyboy:
We dont have nothing to do with you slaves rather than giving you guys guns to kill yourself

Everything we share with the yorubas were influenced by benins

Emphasis on the highlights!

OmoOlofin:
Emphasis on the highlights!

Go and learn manners

gregyboy:
Go and learn manners

You mean I shouldn't have exposed you and your 2by2??

davidnazee:
You Yorubas are actually very shallow minded.. You guys really have slave mentality.. You sound like "house niggers" (those slaves employed to work in home administration rather than cotton fields. They always felt they were better than other slaves). So working in Benin palace which was the greatest palace in the world for your guys was an achievement. Benin Empire's ministers where Edos, army officials were Edos, administrators sent to administer conquered territories where Edos, jugdes Edos, the Oba's council were Edos.. The work of the Yorubas slaves in the palace was, gardeners, cleaners, gatemen, houseboys and house girls.. so far they had these jobs in the great Benin palace was a boost for their weak ego.

Anyways please go read about why Yoruba were employed in the palace.. you will find it was because it is easy to punish them, behead them for any offence because they are foreigners and nobody will ask questions unlike if they were Edos then they cannot be treated unjustly..
so keep celebrating your weakness..

you can't be anything in the Benin empire without speaking Yoruba.

Hi macof, can you help me with the reference (or link, or both) to the attached screenshot?

Thanks.