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Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by superlightning: 7:59pm On May 20, 2020
ProT:
We are talking about laws centred on the RIGHT OF WAY, u highlighted a Wikipedia page talking about the purpose of the NBA with respect to resources of the Niger river and its management.
What is ur aim?
Are u really concerned about the plight of an independent SE?
OR
Are u just doing this to troll?

I suppose u're a young man, instead of spending ur time surfing the net, looking for materials that would serve as psychological obstacle to the people of the SE, why don't u channel that energy towards asking for a workable society.
He's jobless, you should know by now.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Nobody: 8:32pm On May 20, 2020
LuQuLuQu:
Ishola Oyenusi and Shina Rambo generation. (Criminals, scammers, and perpetual E-beggars)
International and local Harlot, international and local internet fraudsters, kidnappers (Evans) cannibals, etc.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by superlightning: 8:36pm On May 20, 2020
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by OFFICIAL336: 8:37pm On May 20, 2020
9jakool:
Lies!
Apapa wharf is less than 3 nautical miles from the ocean. Ports are preferably built on natural harbors that are easily accessible to the ocean. Lagos lagoon like Ebrie lagoon in Abidjan are arguably the best natural harbors in West Africa.
Apapa is 50 nautical miles to the Atlantic.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by OFFICIAL336: 8:38pm On May 20, 2020
oyatz:
The Apapa wharf was built inside a LAGOON.
The lagoon was dredged 50 Nautical miles to the sea. Azumili opens directly to the sea
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by OFFICIAL336: 8:40pm On May 20, 2020
Seetto:
They don start again with their Yoruba Muslim and very soon they will open another thread on how Yoruba pastors are dominating church activities in the east and how they are making Yoruba pastors to handle bigger churches and sending their Igbo counterpart to villages, and their plan to take over such churches..
Apart from littering every where with Pentecostal churches wetin again una sabi.

The only domestic direct investment yorubas can bring to anywhere is Pentecostal churches.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by oyatz(m): 8:40pm On May 20, 2020
Most black people don't have a deep grasp of the concept of 'cause and effects' and they like to blame others for their problems, hence their capacities for problems solving skills are very limited.



It's very funny seeing Nigerians who cheat in all exams from primary schools to University levels, Nigerians who embezzle Student Union dues, Nigerian lecturers who demand to sleep with their students before passing them, Nigerian clergymen who fleece their gullible followers, Nigerian traders who smuggle fake and substandard goods into this country and Nigerians who give and demand bribes daily putting on cloaks of patriotism coming online to complain about how Nigeria is not working and calling their country a zoo.



There's nothing sacrosanct about the unity of Nigeria. If we can't live as one, why not separate?

However, those who have the political power to effect this separation aren't interested in any separation.



ProT:
All Nigerians are not part of the problem; don't allow ur elites to blackmail u into believing such.

Your elites make the laws (including the very bad laws); they control ur economy and finance; they control ur armed forces and law enforcement agencies; they control ur education, (miseducate you and send their wards overseas for proper education).
What have they done with such powers?
They have used it to rape and divide ordinary folks.

While they are united in raping the "have-nots," the have-nots are more allegiant to their tribes and creeds instead of their class.

As long as u keep this cesspool as one, ur elites would keep raping u, while u defend them depending on their tribe and creed.

Ur elites are the problem, the miseducated folks on the street (who abuse themselves while defending the elites) are just victims.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by NGpatriot: 8:57pm On May 20, 2020
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ProT:
We are talking about laws centred on the RIGHT OF WAY, u highlighted a Wikipedia page talking about the purpose of the NBA with respect to resources of the Niger river and its management.
What is ur aim?
Are u really concerned about the plight of an independent SE?
OR
Are u just doing this to troll?

I suppose u're a young man, instead of spending ur time surfing the net, looking for materials that would serve as psychological obstacle to the people of the SE, why don't u channel that energy towards asking for a workable society.
[/s]




I've read enough ignorant rubbish already.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by LuQuLuQu(m): 9:04pm On May 20, 2020
Gforce2015:
International and local Harlot, international and local internet fraudsters, kidnappers (Evans) cannibals, etc.
All this above ewedu guzzlers are the inventors and chief executive officers of them all
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Kyase(m): 9:04pm On May 20, 2020
post=89744760:
The point is River Niger is already international waterway, The Niger Basin has been governed by a series of agreements in the post-colonial era, one of the already established treaties is "the integral parts of the Niger River, should be open to international traffic, with equal treatment for nationals of all states regarding tolls. The Niger River Commission was also tasked with ensuring the safety and control of navigation and facilitating the movement of vessels." this hasn't been implemented because we are still in one nation , if every regions decide to go their separate ways, know that this is one area east and north will come together, River Niger channel is more important to north, because that's the only river from ocean that transverse to northern states, unlike east with Imo River with shortest route to the sea, north leaders know this, expect few Yorubas that chosen to be ignorant because it will favour Igbos which is more closer to the sea than the north, but the fact they can't change, the already existing treaties than govern Niger Basin Authority, we are still in one nation, that's main reason east and north are reluctant on dredging and maintaining River Niger, mind you
the Lower Niger has been dredged twice, first in 1958 by NEDECO and secondly by a consortium of LCHF/Westminster Dredging Company, in 1978 from Baro through Lokoja to Onitsha, Onya to Warri/Port Harcourt. Due to lack of maintenance, the entire dredged channel has silted up. If Nigeria cease to exist the channel will be fully dredge and maintain to accommodate bigger vessels, it's an international route and nobody will block any of the members of NBA from using, that's if Nigeria cease to exist. Your social media ranting, twisting and fabricating stories to suit your narratives can't change the fact that River Niger is an international waterway, I'm fully aware Imo River with the shortest route from the east to Sea is not yet international. waterway, but till then.
weya southwest come talk una own.....
this is the most sensible reply since this landlock campaign start...op bravo
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 9:04pm On May 20, 2020
oyatz:
Most black people don't have a deep grasp of the concept of 'cause and effects' and they like to blame others for their problems, hence their capacities for problems solving skills are very limited.



It's very funny seeing Nigerians who cheat in all exams from primary schools to University levels, Nigerians who embezzle Student Union dues, Nigerian lecturers who demand to sleep with their students before passing them, Nigerian clergymen who fleece their gullible followers, Nigerian traders who smuggle fake and substandard goods into this country and Nigerians who give and demand bribes daily putting on cloaks of patriotism coming online to complain about how Nigeria is not working and calling their country a zoo.



There's nothing sacrosanct about the unity of Nigeria. If we can't live as one, why not separate?

However, those who have the political power to effect this separation aren't interested in any separation.
You started by talking about "cause and effect," which is commendable, then ended (with due respect) by feigning ignorance on the concept of "cause and effect."

Those things u mentioned - bribery, cheating, etc - are like symptoms of fraudulent system.

Listen, early sociologists that worked on the nature of man, all ended up telling us that man in state of nature seems evil (I paraphrase); now in other to stop this evil in man which prompts man to live like wild animals, where survival of the fittest reigns, man decided to change his society from self-sovereignty and initiated the concept of government, surrendered his sovereignty to his government in exchange for protection
Ever since the creation of the concept of government, man has been fine-tuning it - communism, democracy, socialism, etc - to make sure the government does not abuse its power, but only uses that power for public good

Why am I telling u this long story?
I want u to realise that every man (irrespective of colour) is selfish and evil in nature;
It is the duty of the government to curtail this selfish and evil nature of man in the society, in exchange for our individual sovereignty.

People do all sorts of wicked things in this country becos the government cares less to build a good and working society; actually, we have a faulty foundation that inhibits development and progress, ur elites are aware, but they don't care about the people; as long as ur elites freely exhibit their evil and selfishness, they are cool with the country, so why should they bother about separation?

From the USA to France to London, every time those in authority (who are supposed to curtail the evil and selfishness of folks) are found culpable of exhibiting evil and selfishness, it always leads to one thing - revolution!

Ur elites are evil and selfish; they abuse their powers and rape citizens on a daily basis; guess what? Those who should revolt defend their oppressors for petty reasons like tribalism and religion.
If u're an elite in a country where people are so miseducated that they literally defend their oppressors, would u want an end to such country or continuity?
Those are the options on the table of ur elites (oppressors).
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:09pm On May 20, 2020
ProT:
What do u think it would cost to dredge the River from Niger down to the Atlantic?
Can Niger afford such project?
Do they have alternative?
Is the alternative serving them?
You don't embark on projects for the sake of just carrying out a project.

If the SE was independent, and they could strike a GOOD deal with the government of an independent Niger-delta, I don't think the SE would bother much on the alternative use of the Niger river (route to the Atlantic) or that of Obuaku.

As for ur persistent use of the dam scenario, I keep asking u, is there any law(s) that forbids countries from damming it?
I understand the right of way would not be as simple as folks from the SE portray it, but it is also not as difficult as anti-freedom folks try to paint it; diplomacy would be key, but at the end, the SE shall prevail.

Listen, hundreds of years ago, petulant Turks (like most anti-freedom folks on this thread) tried to stop the Europeans from using the silk and spice route to India; what happened next? The Europeans discovered the sea route.
Necessity has always been the mother of invention.

Instead of trying ur best to discourage the SE from an idea as noble as freedom by creating unnecessary hurdles and psychological obstacles, why not channel those energy into fixing Nigeria; or is Nigeria inhabitable for humans 60yrs after independence?

Is it not a shame that the only folks conscious enough to understand the stagnancy and backwardness of Nigeria are the people others are throwing spanners to their wheel, instead of waking up and asking for a better society, whether as a united Nigeria (which seems impossible) or as independent micro-states.
First, I'm not necessarily against Biafra. It is foolishness to say a country that is at war with itself should not divide.
That said, you do realise that dredging river Niger is not a dream of SE alone. Baro port is existing and will benefit the north if the river is dredged. Thus you see that if Niger want it as you say, even Nigeria will join them. But Nigeria has a coastline which makes river port not a necessity. What I'm bringing to your notice is that it is not a given that you'll just jump and dredge the Niger because you feel like it.
That question about damming further buttresses my point. Countries have the right to dam their rivers without recourse to NBA or any other body. That's because they reserve total control over their portion of the river.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by oyatz(m): 9:18pm On May 20, 2020
Where did you get this your funny stuff from?

Even the North (Berger) to South (Bar Beach, Eleko Beach) lenght of Lagos State is not up to 50 Nautical miles.

The Lagoon in Lagos communicate with the Atlantic ocean through the Harbour (0.5-2Km distance) where Apapa wharf is built.




OFFICIAL336:
The lagoon was dredged 50 Nautical miles to the sea. Azumili opens directly to the sea
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 9:21pm On May 20, 2020
Agboriotejoye:
First, I'm not necessarily against Biafra. It is foolishness to say a country that is at war with itself should not divide.
That said, you do realise that dredging river Niger is not a dream of SE alone. Baro port is existing and will benefit the north if the river is dredged. Thus you see that if Niger want it as you say, even Nigeria will join them. But Nigeria has a coastline which makes river port not a necessity. What I'm bringing to your notice is that it is not a given that you'll just jump and dredge the Niger because you feel like it.
That question about damming further buttresses my point. Countries have the right to dam their rivers without recourse to NBA or any other body. That's because they reserve total control over their portion of the river.
To ur last sentence:
Ya, they do with respect to resources including water resources for hydroelectric power; but that notwithstanding, they are also obliged to allow other member countries right of way.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 9:24pm On May 20, 2020
NGpatriot:






I've read enough ignorant rubbish already.
Such arrogance!
A faceless group, hence, everyone claims to be an authority.

Someone who can lecture u in sciences (medical, astronomy, etc), economics, history, religion, etc u just called "ignorant."
Such petulance!
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by NGpatriot: 9:27pm On May 20, 2020
ProT:
Such arrogance!
A faceless group, hence, everyone claims to be an authority.

Someone who can lecture u in sciences (medical, astronomy, etc), economics, history, religion, etc u just called "ignorant."
Such petulance!
It's tiring going back and forth with people like you so I'd rather not waste my time.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:29pm On May 20, 2020
ProT:
To ur last sentence:
Ya, they do with respect to resources including water resources for hydroelectric power; but that notwithstanding, they are also obliged to allow other member countries right of way.
Obliged as how? On what grounds are they obliged? Like I already told you, NBA which the op quoted recognises the sovereignty of states over the Niger river within their territories. So how are they obliged?
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Kyase(m): 9:38pm On May 20, 2020
junketer:
I still don't understand why the yorubas keep jumping into every thread to list the disadvantages of igbos leaving nigeria for biafra. Can someone explain it to me? Igbos want to leave, you are against that. Igbos remain in nigeria, you are against that. Igbos talk about being president, you are against that. Igbos don't talk about being president, you are against that too. I mean, what's with all these?
na love cheesy cheesy
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by OFFICIAL336: 9:44pm On May 20, 2020
oyatz:
Where did you get this your funny stuff from?

Even the North (Berger) to South (Bar Beach, Eleko Beach) lenght of Lagos State is not up to 50 Nautical miles.

The Lagoon in Lagos communicate with the Atlantic ocean through the Harbour (0.5-2Km distance) where Apapa wharf is built.
Lagos state is over 3,350 km square and a nautical miles is about 1.85km.

So, how do you arrive at the conclusion that the length of Lagos is less than 50 nautical miles.

I am not talking about Lagos Harbour, Apapa sea port was dredged 50 NM to the sea.

FYI, a Harbour is different from a sea port. A harbour is part of a sea port which can have as many harbours as possible.

There are sea ports without a harbour.

Azumili is less than 25 NM to the sea and it is deeper than Apapa before it was dredged.

We will dredge the river and build a World class sea port for beloved Biafra there.

See the map of Apapa

Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by NGpatriot: 10:00pm On May 20, 2020
Agboriotejoye:
Obliged as how? On what grounds are they obliged? Like I already told you, NBA which the op quoted recognises the sovereignty of states over the Niger river within their territories. So how are they obliged?
To start with, they actually think the whole stretch of the river is an international waterway that doesn't belong to any country when in fact each member state is in total control and sovereign authority of the portion of the river within their boundaries.

This is the source of their ignorance and misguided conclusion.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 10:03pm On May 20, 2020
Agboriotejoye:
Obliged as how? On what grounds are they obliged? Like I already told you, NBA which the op quoted recognises the sovereignty of states over the Niger river within their territories. So how are they obliged?
I cannot search the pic (of the law) uploaded by someone on some other thread of similar discourse.

Pple talk about placing tolls, which is something the said law frowns at, since member nations would be allowed right of way through the river; though, personally, I believe it wouldn't be as simple as that though, it would still require some diplomacy.

Anyways, there is no need for all of these, because I know the day every group in this cesspool become conscious and realise the irredeemable nature of Nigeria, not only the SE would ask to be out of this cesspit.

I believe lots of folks on this thread seem to imagine a situation where the SE would break out and would need to discuss with a Fulani-controlled government of Nigeria (without the SE), hence, would be denied an opportunity to discuss; whereas, in reality, an independent SE govt might be discussing with the govt of an independent Niger-delta.

Truth is, every ethnic group (maybe with the exception of the Fulani) would be glad to pull out of this cesspit and get some form of autonomy, but the thought of the donkey work needed to achieve that dream discourages others.

Still on, I would rather an independent landlocked SE, than this present Nigeria.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Nobody: 10:14pm On May 20, 2020
LuQuLuQu:
All this above ewedu guzzlers are the inventors and chief executive officers of them all
Go to any local ashewo joint in any state, I can assure you will find at least five Igbo girls among them...
Ashewo work is one of the Igbo cultural identities. They are born to do ashewo. Ashewo work and Igbo lady are inseparable. From the north to the south to the west and to the east you will find at least 10 Igbo women in one Ashewo joint. They do the work till an old age.....
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by LuQuLuQu(m): 10:19pm On May 20, 2020
Gforce2015:
Go to any local ashewo joint in any state, I can assure you will find at least five Igbo girls among them...
Ashewo work is one of the Igbo cultural identities. They are born to do ashewo. Ashewo work and Igbo lady are inseparable. From the north to the south to the west and to the east you will find at least 10 Igbo women in one Ashewo joint. They do the work till an old age.....
You and your father visits ashawo joint that's why you can tell which tribe dominate the cheap brothel you visit.

Your dad prolly met your mum there. Omo ale
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Agboriotejoye(m): 11:57pm On May 20, 2020
ProT:
I cannot search the pic (of the law) uploaded by someone on some other thread of similar discourse.

Pple talk about placing tolls, which is something the said law frowns at, since member nations would be allowed right of way through the river; though, personally, I believe it wouldn't be as simple as that though, it would still require some diplomacy.

Anyways, there is no need for all of these, because I know the day every group in this cesspool become conscious and realise the irredeemable nature of Nigeria, not only the SE would ask to be out of this cesspit.

I believe lots of folks on this thread seem to imagine a situation where the SE would break out and would need to discuss with a Fulani-controlled government of Nigeria (without the SE), hence, would be denied an opportunity to discuss; whereas, in reality, an independent SE govt might be discussing with the govt of an independent Niger-delta.

Truth is, every ethnic group (maybe with the exception of the Fulani) would be glad to pull out of this cesspit and get some form of autonomy, but the thought of the donkey work needed to achieve that dream discourages others.

Still on, I would rather an independent landlocked SE, than this present Nigeria.
Believe me, that treaty was by the five host countries of the river Niger. If Nigeria was to break up, it will not be binding on the emergent countries except ratified by them.

Having said that, I must commend the manner of your debate. You've shown enough intelligence to understand that this issue cannot be a tea party. Though you seem to think I'm against secession which I'm generally not against. I just want to clear the notion that it's going to be a utopian journey.
I don't believe Nigeria must remain as it is. Only the core north seems to think so. The west want restructuring like the SS while the middle belt also want some form of separate identity from the Hausa-fulani hegemony. I believe none of the three southern regions stand to lose a lot of restructuring/secession where to occur. The losers are up north.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 12:13am On May 21, 2020
Agboriotejoye:
Believe me, that treaty was by the five host countries of the river Niger. If Nigeria was to break up, it will not be binding on the emergent countries except ratified by them.

Having said that, I must commend the manner of your debate. You've shown enough intelligence to understand that this issue cannot be a tea party. Though you seem to think I'm against secession which I'm generally not against. I just want to clear the notion that it's going to be a utopian journey.
I don't believe Nigeria must remain as it is. Only the core north seems to think so. The west want restructuring like the SS while the middle belt also want some form of separate identity from the Hausa-fulani hegemony. I believe none of the three southern regions stand to lose a lot of restructuring/secession where to occur. The losers are up north.
Truth is the restructuring brigade seems to be paying only lip-service to it; they act like a movement being sponsored by the "pro-status quo" FG.

When Kanu was in Nigeria and doing his thing, a serious restructuring group would have used Kanu as a bargaining chip to get restructuring, act like u're supporting his secession calls and bring restructuring as the middle ground to the authorities (that is brinkmanship); rather, they were more interested in countering Kanu, portraying him as the enemy instead of the FG.
Kanu disappeared, calls for restructuring mellowed.

We can borrow as much as we like to fund our Armed Forces and continue forcing everyone to be part of this irredeemably unworkable state; slowly but certainly, we are moving towards implosion.
God help us!
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Natty14(m): 7:15am On May 21, 2020
Black man' problem are greed , envy and jealousy. This factors limits their ability to fight their common enemy. Africa need development, yes. How do we go about it? Is it by holding ourselves down in slave contraptions like Nigeria? No.
Youth! Stop the ignorance. No matter the tribe you are coming from, you are black. Think black growth. One tree can never make a forest.
Let's stop holding on these God forsaking countries created by our conquerors. Yes, we can lead ourselves in our terms. We can develop Africa. God bless
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:22am On May 21, 2020
ProT:
Truth is the restructuring brigade seems to be paying only lip-service to it; they act like a movement being sponsored by the "pro-status quo" FG.

When Kanu was in Nigeria and doing his thing, a serious restructuring group would have used Kanu as a bargaining chip to get restructuring, act like u're supporting his secession calls and bring restructuring as the middle ground to the authorities (that is brinkmanship); rather, they were more interested in countering Kanu, portraying him as the enemy instead of the FG.
Kanu disappeared, calls for restructuring mellowed.

We can borrow as much as we like to fund our Armed Forces and continue forcing everyone to be part of this irredeemably unworkable state; slowly but certainly, we are moving towards implosion.
God help us!
That's not exactly true. The advocates of restructuring are part of the centre but do not form the CORE of the centre if you know what I mean. The man and his cabal see restructuring as a ploy to impoverish the north.

I need you to cast your mind back to the fact that Kanu was freed by the courts when Osinbajo was acting president and he even gave recognition to the Biafran Armed Forces Remembrance day in 2017. He discussed Biafra as acting president something even Jonathan never did in his five years as president. But he knows and tinubu knows too and you should know that restructuring or Biafra are not sweet melody to the man at the helm which makes calls for both to be politically inexpedient.

Supporting Kanu would have also been a no-no with his petulance and caustic tongue. He was neither cerebral nor diplomatic in his approach but acted more like a charlatan. In my view, Buhari treated him with too much notice to have sent the military after him. It just made him more popular. Intellectual debate could have silenced him.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 8:39am On May 21, 2020
Agboriotejoye:
That's not exactly true. The advocates of restructuring are part of the centre but do not form the CORE of the centre if you know what I mean. The man and his cabal see restructuring as a ploy to impoverish the north.

I need you to cast your mind back to the fact that Kanu was freed by the courts when Osinbajo was acting president and he even gave recognition to the Biafran Armed Forces Remembrance day in 2017. He discussed Biafra as acting president something even Jonathan never did in his five years as president. But he knows and tinubu knows too and you should know that restructuring or Biafra are not sweet melody to the man at the helm which makes calls for both to be politically inexpedient.

Supporting Kanu would have also been a no-no with his petulance and caustic tongue. He was neither cerebral nor diplomatic in his approach but acted more like a charlatan. In my view, Buhari treated him with too much notice to have sent the military after him. It just made him more popular. Intellectual debate could have silenced him.
Before I respond to this, could you please tell me the restructuring group u're talking about?
Don't tell me of Afenifere or Ohaneze.

I think u're being more emotional than strategic, u may not like Kanu, u may say Kanu was/is brash, and u would be right; but petulant? That is exactly what I am saying.
His petulance was a strategy; at least it was obvious he wasn't into arms struggle, but with that caustic tongue, he would irritate you so much that u wud give him the attention his movement needs.

There was a restructuring group that sprang up when Kanu was in town, Kanu's agitation was a perfect bargaining chip for them, since a sane mind knows you don't go into bargaining presenting ur desired position first, u ask for an extreme (like secession) and expecting those on the other divide to meet u in the middle (restructuring).

No politician would give u restructuring, it does not serve them, they may mouth it as a populist idea, just like those in APC did, but immediately power is gotten, it would be discarded becos it makes no sense to them.

For u to get restructuring, u would need to fight for it, only few people in present day Nigeria have both the courage and intellect of Nnamdi Kanu (u cannot take that away from him); the reason I feel the restructuring brigade messed up not using the heat of his agitation to further theirs; is it not funny that immediately Kanu left the scene, the restructuring brigade lost their steam?

We can keep pretending like all is well, while we keep messing up the future of this futureless country, as long as natural law is concerned, we would surely have a date with destiny.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:52am On May 21, 2020
ProT:
Before I respond to this, could you please tell me the restructuring group u're talking about?
Don't tell me of Afenifere or Ohaneze.

I think u're being more emotional than strategic, u may not like Kanu, u may say Kanu was/is brash, and u would be right; but petulant? That is exactly what I am saying.
His petulance was a strategy; at least it was obvious he wasn't into arms struggle, but with that caustic tongue, he would irritate you so much that u wud give him the attention his movement needs.

There was a restructuring group that sprang up when Kanu was in town, Kanu's agitation was a perfect bargaining chip for them, since a sane mind knows you don't go into bargaining presenting ur desired position first, u ask for an extreme (like secession) and expecting those on the other divide to meet u in the middle (restructuring).

No politician would give u restructuring, it does not serve them, they may mouth it as a populist idea, just like those in APC did, but immediately power is gotten, it would be discarded becos it makes no sense to them.

For u to get restructuring, u would need to fight for it, only few people in present day Nigeria have both the courage and intellect of Nnamdi Kanu (u cannot take that away from him); the reason I feel the restructuring brigade messed up not using the heat of his agitation to further theirs; is it not funny that immediately Kanu left the scene, the restructuring brigade lost their steam?

We can keep pretending like all is well, while we keep messing up the future of this futureless country, as long as natural law is concerned, we would surely have a date with destiny.
I'm talking about the south west grp in the APC led by Tinubu.
He's been the main advocate of restructuring right from the time of OBJ. He might be using it as a political slogan just to get access but we can't say that for sure until his group get the centre.
That said, if you believe no politician will give you restructuring, how then do you expect to get secession without an arms struggle but insults. You'll agree with me that it's hardly strategic and at best foolhardy.
Kanu being intellectual is what I don't get. How? Is insult or the Jubril conspiracy theory a mark of intellectualism? Those two are what he has become renowned for. He never gave an intellectual discourse of how Biafra is to be achieved within the present political structure neither did he propose a way out of the present structure which you agree cannot birth Biafra.
The truth is the SE are currently holding the short end of the stick politics-wise due to his petulance. It provided ammunition for this administration and its dogs to label the SE as untrustworthy and therefore worthy of being excluded from the national table.
Even the restructuring calls died with him because any such noise from the south after his ouster will be seen as furthering his agenda by proxy and you'll agree no politician of note will want to be seen in the same boat with a radical character as Kanu
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by ProT: 9:21am On May 21, 2020
Agboriotejoye:
I'm talking about the south west grp in the APC led by Tinubu.
He's been the main advocate of restructuring right from the time of OBJ. He might be using it as a political slogan just to get access but we can't say that for sure until his group get the centre.
That said, if you believe no politician will give you restructuring, how then do you expect to get secession without an arms struggle but insults. You'll agree with me that it's hardly strategic and at best foolhardy.
Kanu being intellectual is what I don't get. How? Is insult or the Jubril conspiracy theory a mark of intellectualism? Those two are what he has become renowned for. He never gave an intellectual discourse of how Biafra is to be achieved within the present political structure neither did he propose a way out of the present structure which you agree cannot birth Biafra.
The truth is the SE are currently holding the short end of the stick politics-wise due to his petulance. It provided ammunition for this administration and its dogs to label the SE as untrustworthy and therefore worthy of being excluded from the national table.
Even the restructuring calls died with him because any such noise from the south after his ouster will be seen as furthering his agenda by proxy and you'll agree no politician of note will want to be seen in the same boat with a radical character as Kanu
I'm lost as to how people see Tinubu as a LEADER; Tinubu is a freaking politician, he is no different from the rest of them.

Folks like u believe u can only adjudge Tinubu's stance on "restructuring" only if he became a president, that is laughable becos it shows how much people don't understand how democratic systems work; u lots pay so much attention on individuals and ethnicity, yet u somehow think of development; sorry bro, petty minds can't bring about development.

U talk about the Igbos losing "palliatives" such as being president, when Igbos are more concerned about permanent solution to the Nigerian conundrum; an Easterner was president from 2010 to 2015, how did it positively affect the lives of the ordinary easterner on the street?

The Igbos have been schemed out of the politics of the centre since 1970, those who have been producing presidents, how has it affected the men on the street in those regions?

I am too educated to bother myself with politics of tribe and religion as folks in this space seem to do; I want a working society, where there would be strict checks and balances, irrespective of the tribe or religion of who rules, I want a state/nation where government policies would be for the good of the society and not for enrichment of cronies.

Tinubu as a president would only positively affect the bank accounts of his friends and family, and maybe one or two projects in his region; after that, the fundamental problems still persist; that is rat race, we are not interested in all of that.

P. S.
Tinubu as president will not and cannot restructure the country; only an uprising by the suffering masses in this country can bring a reasonable change; so far, only the Igbos seem conscious of the unworkability of this country, unfortunately, they would have to wait until folks from other regions reach their morning and wake up.
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by Nobody: 9:48am On May 21, 2020
LuQuLuQu:
You and your father visits ashawo joint that's why you can tell which tribe dominate the cheap brothel you visit.

Your dad prolly met your mum there. Omo ale
Have you forgotten that you are a product of ashewo joint. Your father came to ashewo joint to Bleep your mama for N5. The condom burst. And your papa useless sperm split over your mama puna. They try hard to abort the useless sperm that formed you ,but they couldn't. You papa don know say Nah useless person you go be. Can you imagine? Supposing the condom didn't burst inside your mama puna , this insult wey I receive this morning no for happen.
But I know say the mistake wey dem take make Nah hm you go take waka go meet baba God.idiot
Re: Those From West Are Still Ignorant On River Niger by LuQuLuQu(m): 10:00am On May 21, 2020
Gforce2015:
Have you forgotten that you are a product of ashewo joint. Your father came to ashewo joint to Bleep your mama for N5. The condom burst. And your papa useless sperm split over your mama puna. They try hard to abort the useless sperm that formed you ,but they couldn't. You papa don know say Nah useless person you go be. Can you imagine? Supposing the condom didn't burst inside your mama puna , this insult wey I receive this morning no for happen.
But I know say the mistake wey dem take make Nah hm you go take waka go meet baba God.idiot
No. You're the bona fide product of ashawo house since you know the tribe which dominates there cos I didn't know that before now. Oponu
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