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post=90226669:
IGR is revenue generated by governments, some of the states hardly reveal true state of money they generate, some post fake figures, do you know in 2012 Ebonyi then was no 6 on the table top Awka Ibom and Ogun state

No link? What is ur source

Zamfara is not one small enclave. All these things aren't happening all over the State.

For every cow, sheep and goat leaving Northern States, they pay tax. Same things apply to baskets of onions, Tomatoes, pepper and beans.

Esseite:
I think its becoming obvious, Fraud is getting into Nigerian statistics..

War prone Zamfara that wa s lynched with bandits, ban on mining, illegal mining, sharia state earned more than Abia..

Make una not make mi vex, Kogi generates more than Bayelsa but can’t pay salaries ni!? Abeg shift with ur bojuboju stats.

IGR is taxes/levies/rents/dividends collected by the States Government.


Poverty index deals with individuals NOT their State Governments.

Some States get profits from their investments in banks, qouated companies and real Estates that may not necessarily be domiciled within their territories.

A State that has 5 heavy industries can generate some taxes from such industries. However this doesn't necessarily affect the masses in that State who are living from hands to mouth.

Also, apart from the populace and industries in the States, methods of tax collections varies from States.

Some States still rely on old fashioned 'Boards of Internal Revenues' manned by corrupt civil servants to collect their taxes.

These civil servants for instance can register 20 vehicles for renewal of license or collect levies for building plans from 20 prospective landlords in a week but they will declare that they register only 8 vehicles/buildings and pocket the rest.

Some States make use of Private Tax Collecting and Management Firms like AlphaBeta, Olusola Adekanola etc. These firms can pay Governments upfront and they use modern means to recoup their money and extra money which form their profits.

Tinubu's firm, AlphaBeta is good in this area and many States employ them to collect their taxes.

Esseite:
Sokoto was declared poorest state by same NBC how does the poorest generate more IGR than oil producing states that is the major source of income?..

Many of you don't understand how State Governments operate in Nigeria or have good understandings of economics.

1) Revenues accrued into the State coffers are NOT the sole determining factors in the payment of salaries.

Bayelsa State, an oil producing State has a larger Federal allocations than Kebbi ,yet Bayelsa still owes Salaries while Kebbi doesn't owe salaries.

2) A Lecturer earning #500,000 salary in Lagos can still be oweing house rents while a security guard in the same University earning #70,000 per month may not be oweing may not be owing house rents.

There are professors earning fat salaries in UI that haven't built their own houses and are in debts while their office messangers, receptionists/typists/ drivers are living in their own houses in Ibadan.

What makes the difference- scale of preferences.

olisaEze:
Make una not make mi vex, Kogi generates more than Bayelsa but can’t pay salaries ni!? Abeg shift with ur bojuboju stats.

Virtually all the States received bail outs.

post=90226910:
Most of the states that quoted high figures can't sustain themselves, we all saw what happened during Nigeria recession 2015-2016 when oil price was down, many of them were bankrupt FG had to bail them out.

Each State published it's own budgets based on their income (allocations + IGR).

The NBS only collate these figures.

Benevento:
But honestly, i must commend some people's dexterity skill.

In just 2 minutes, Dem go don open Laptop, pra pra pra... A fake chart is out.


If you know what I mean.

oyatz:
Each State published it's own budgets based on their income (allocations + IGR).

The NBS only collate these figures.

Very true

For which year sir.

Economic reccession occur largely due to mismanagement or unforeseen economic distasters, it is NOT a permanent feature of any State or Country.

Economy of each State/Country is NOT static but changes with time. For instance, 1986 was a year of economic distaster in Nigeria due to implementation of the Structural Adjustment Programme (SAP) recommended by the IMF which crippled the economy when the Naira was massively devalued but we bounced back and recorded economic growth in 1991 due to oil windfall and effects of the Gulf war-1.

post=90228038:
This list is from office of accountant general of Federation, I know you guys enjoy fooling yourselves

oyatz:
Many of you don't understand how State Governments operate in Nigeria or have good understandings of economics.

1) Revenues accrued into the State coffers are NOT the sole determining factors in the payment of salaries.

Bayelsa State, an oil producing State has a larger Federal allocations than Kebbi ,yet Bayelsa still owes Salaries while Kebbi doesn't owe salaries.

2) A Lecturer earning #500,000 salary in Lagos can still be oweing house rents while a security guard in the same University earning #70,000 per month may not be oweing may not be owing house rents.

There are professors earning fat salaries in UI that haven't built their own houses and are in debts while their office messangers, receptionists/typists/ drivers are living in their own houses in Ibadan.

What makes the difference- scale of preferences.

So the IGR is determined by scale of preference abi the salaries of workers are low on the scale of preference of Kogi state? What is the IGR of Kogi State used for that workers livelihoods are unimportant next to? Or are u saying that d sole aim of federal allocation is for salaries?
It’d be nice for u to explain how a state that contributes monumentally to the survival of this nation can be so low on this list ahead of states that depend on largesse from the FG to pay its workers! Abi is it spirits that are working to generate the IGR?

oyatz:
IGR is taxes/levies/rents/dividends collected by the States Government.


Poverty index deals with individuals NOT their State Governments.

Some States get profits from their investments in banks, qouated companies and real Estates that may not necessarily be domiciled within their territories.

A State that has 5 heavy industries can generate some taxes from such industries. However this doesn't necessarily affect the masses in that State who are living from hands to mouth.

Also, apart from the populace and industries in the States, methods of tax collections varies from States.

Some States still rely on old fashioned 'Boards of Internal Revenues' manned by corrupt civil servants to collect their taxes.

These civil servants for instance can register 20 vehicles for renewal of license or collect levies for building plans from 20 prospective landlords in a week but they will declare that they register only 8 vehicles/buildings and pocket the rest.

Some States make use of Private Tax Collecting and Management Firms like AlphaBeta, Olusola Adekanola etc. These firms can pay Governments upfront and they use modern means to recoup their money and extra money which form their profits.

Tinubu's firm, AlphaBeta is good in this area and many States employ them to collect their taxes.

Sokoto over Osun, Abia, Imo, Bayelsa etc under taxes, rent, levies and dividends?...

Kwara over Oyo, Anambra etc... haba..

I strongly doubt it

Where were you when the FG released bailouts to States Governments and the States refused to pay their workers?

Ask any random 3-5 civil servants in Ekiti State when Ex-Governor Ayo Fayose declared that Bailouts fund wasn't for payment of civil servants alone.

Even before and after the recession, many States Governments were and are still oweing salaries. Was it because there was no 'money'?

Why is a small and an oil producing State like Bayelsa State oweing Salaries?


I have explained in my earlier post that States Governments policies on Taxation and methods of collecting Taxes varies from States to States and this affect IGR.

Some States still rely on their civil servants (who will pocket a large chunk of the taxes) to collect their taxes, while some States have outsourced the collection of taxes to private firms e.g Osun State, Lagos State

Some States have their own Single Treasury Accounts (TSA) and use Remitta to track every payment to the nearest Kobo.

olisaEze:
So the IGR is determined by scale of preference abi the salaries of workers are low on the scale of preference of Kogi state? What is the IGR of Kogi State used for that workers livelihoods are unimportant next to? Or are u saying that d sole aim of federal allocation is for salaries?
It’d be nice for u to explain how a state that contributes monumentally to the survival of this nation can be so low on this list ahead of states that depend on largesse from the FG to pay its workers! Abi is it spirits that are working to generate the IGR?

I just told you how IGR is derived.

Each State has it's own areas of interest based on it's peculiarities and styles of administration of their Governors.

Some Governors have really tried to block loopholes in revenues leakages/wastages while some Governors reversed the tax policies of their predecessors to win favours of their electorates e.g Gov Seyi Makinde who abolished payment of School Fees in Oyo State.

Esseite:
Sokoto over Osun, Abia, Imo, Bayelsa etc under taxes, rent, levies and dividends?...

Kwara over Oyo, Anambra etc... haba..

I strongly doubt it

Binikingdowm:
According to the post, kwara makes more money than Edo state.. how is that even possible?

Edo isn't a state, it's a yoruba colony now town

kayfra:
What does Edo produce?

Prostit.ute witches n wizard

MinorityOpinion:
So it's now insult, very good

But you comments here has exposed your temperament and not him if you are honest with yourself.

Let us see your fact sheets like the dudes, it helps if you know.

oyatz:
Where were you when the FG released bailouts to States Governments and the States refused to pay their workers?

Ask any random 3-5 civil servants in Ekiti State when Ex-Governor Ayo Fayose declared that Bailouts fund wasn't for payment of civil servants alone.

Even before and after the recession, many States Governments were and are still oweing salaries. Was it because there was no 'money'?

Why is a small and an oil producing State like Bayelsa State oweing Salaries?


I have explained in my earlier post that States Governments policies on Taxation and methods of collecting Taxes varies from States to States and this affect IGR.

Some States still rely on their civil servants (who will pocket a large chunk of the taxes) to collect their taxes, while some States have outsourced the collection of taxes to private firms e.g Osun State, Lagos State

Some States have their own Single Treasury Accounts (TSA) and use Remitta to track every payment to the nearest Kobo.

when u hear Bayelsa State is owing salaries as it is in the media, it refers to Local government workers and not d whole state. And that has to do with d habit of State Governors appropriating LG funds to pursue election issues. Thankfully, PMB has moved to stop that madness. However, that still doesn’t explain how a Kogi State has an IGR above an Oil producing state like Bayelsa. Do explain what Kogi has done to produce such a wonderful miracle. The issue of tax whether outsourced or not is a no brainer as it is deducted from civil servants from source through the PAYE system. How many companies dey d Kogi compared to Bayelsa na? Including a 13% derivative that is also accrued to Bayelsa’s IGR as an Oil producing state which Kogi does not enjoy currently.

olisaEze:
when u hear Bayelsa State is owing salaries as it is in the media, it refers to Local government workers and not d whole state. And that has to do with d habit of State Governors appropriating LG funds to pursue election issues. Thankfully, PMB has moved to stop that madness. However, that still doesn’t explain how a Kogi State has an IGR above an Oil producing state like Bayelsa. Do explain what Kogi has done to produce such a wonderful miracle. The issue of tax whether outsourced or not is a no brainer as it is deducted from civil servants from source through the PAYE system. How many companies dey d Kogi compared to Bayelsa na? Including a 13% derivative that is also accrued to Bayelsa’s IGR as an Oil producing state which Kogi does not enjoy currently.

You want simple answer? Why Bayelsa government not saying anything? Do you think Bayelsa will allow false representation of their data? Its only you ranting here

Dumb Nigerians. IGR is a product of taxation,,, dat ur state tax u to post high igr dont mean ur state is doing better than states with low IGR...

Davash222:
I'm shocked to see Kwara earning more than Cross Rivers. Obviously, fraud is involved

Why won't Kwara generate more than Cross River?

What does Cross River produce that Kwara doesn't?

Bros, I now understand why you don't understand this simple matter.


1) The 13% Derivative from crude oil is added to their Federal allocations. It is not part of IGR.

2) You wrongly assume that only taxes deducted from the Salaries of civil servants constitute IGR.

3) It seems you think that Gov Yahyah Bello and civil servants are the only people in Kogi State.

4) There are many other people besides Civil Servants living and carrying out economic activities in Kogi State.

For instance, Okene and Lokoja are important transit towns for travelers coming from the S/West to Abuja/core North with economic implications e.g the number of Hotels and Petrol Stations in these two cities are more than all the Hotels in Bayelsa.

A significant number of Long distant Luxury buses like Ifesinachi, ABC, New Tarzan, Young Shall grow have Stations in Lokojo where they stop. These Transport companies also have economic impact on the Town.

Agricultural produce like Yams and Fishes are also produced in the State for Abuja markets, all of which attract some taxes on daily basis.

People from neighbouring States go to Lokoja to board buses going to Abuja/Kaduna/Kano. All these buses pay Hackney permits to the State Government.

What of Tenement rates for buildings in the State? Registration and licensing of private hospitals and private schools?

Kogi's strategic location and Resources is even under utilized.





Kogi has larger Landmass and larger population than Bayelsa, significant factors that can determine IGR.

Bayelsa is a smaller State ( and very swampy) with no significant industries or major agricultural output or population. Most of her crude oil exploration is often done offshore.

olisaEze:
when u hear Bayelsa State is owing salaries as it is in the media, it refers to Local government workers and not d whole state. And that has to do with d habit of State Governors appropriating LG funds to pursue election issues. Thankfully, PMB has moved to stop that madness. However, that still doesn’t explain how a Kogi State has an IGR above an Oil producing state like Bayelsa. Do explain what Kogi has done to produce such a wonderful miracle. The issue of tax whether outsourced or not is a no brainer as it is deducted from civil servants from source through the PAYE system. How many companies dey d Kogi compared to Bayelsa na? Including a 13% derivative that is also accrued to Bayelsa’s IGR as an Oil producing state which Kogi does not enjoy currently.

ProfDview1:
Prostit.ute witches n wizard

Lmao

Human Capital

oyatz:
Bros, I now understand why you don't understand this simple matter.


1) The 13% Derivative from crude oil is added to their Federal allocations. It is not part of IGR.

2) You wrongly assume that only taxes deducted from the Salaries of civil servants constitute IGR.

3) It seems you think that Gov Yahyah Bello and civil servants are the only people in Kogi State.

4) There are many other people besides Civil Servants living and carrying out economic activities in Kogi State.

For instance, Okene and Lokoja are important transit towns for travelers coming from the S/West to Abuja/core North with economic implications e.g the number of Hotels and Petrol Stations in these two cities are more than all the Hotels in Bayelsa.

A significant number of Long distant Luxury buses like Ifesinachi, ABC, New Tarzan, Young Shall grow have Stations in Lokojo where they stop. These Transport companies also have economic impact on the Town.

Agricultural produce like Yams and Fishes are also produced in the State for Abuja markets, all of which attract some taxes on daily basis.

People from neighbouring States go to Lokoja to board buses going to Abuja/Kaduna/Kano. All these buses pay Hackney permits to the State Government.

What of Tenement rates for buildings in the State? Registration and licensing of private hospitals and private schools?

Kogi's strategic location and Resources is even under utilized.





Kogi has larger Landmass and larger population than Bayelsa, significant factors that can determine IGR.

Bayelsa is a smaller State ( and very swampy) with no significant industries or major agricultural output or population. Most of her crude oil exploration is often done offshore.

I always like your calm analysis

what does fct produce to have such a high IGR?

oyatz:
I just told you how IGR is derived.

Each State has it's own areas of interest based on it's peculiarities and styles of administration of their Governors.

Some Governors have really tried to block loopholes in revenues leakages/wastages while some Governors reversed the tax policies of their predecessors to win favours of their electorates e.g Gov Seyi Makinde who abolished payment of School Fees in Oyo State.

payment of school fees is different from IGR and doesn't add up

they pay the school fees to help govt and reduce the burden of govt about school funding

many governors like Makinde pay school grants to provide free education while he doesn't pay their WAEC fees while other states like Lagos pays WAEC fees for their student

they all just trying to reduce burden of school funding and also give electorate benefit of their govt at the same time

Binikingdowm:
According to the post, kwara makes more money than Edo state.. how is that even possible?

it is possible with obaseki as a failure.

Payment of School Fees contribute to IGR sir.


1) There are 967 Public Secondary Schools in Oyo State.

If we assume a modest number of 350,000 students in all these schools, each of whom is to pay #3000 as school fees per term.

#300* 350,000= #1.05 Billion per Term.

2) There are 3 Terms in one academic year,so total schools fees will now be,

#3* #1.05 Billion= #3.15 Billion.




Any State that sees extra #3.15 Billion to it's coffer will feel the impact.

hargbolahan01:
payment of school fees is different from IGR and doesn't add up

they pay the school fees to help govt and reduce the burden of govt about school funding

many governors like Makinde pay school grants to provide free education while he doesn't pay their WAEC fees while other states like Lagos pays WAEC fees for their student

they all just trying to reduce burden of school funding and also give electorate benefit of their govt at the same time