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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 6:12pm On Jun 03, 2020
Racoon:
Ask Adaka Boro what became of the the delusion they sold to him.Ask Ken Saro-Wiwa too about the Niger Delta Oil struggle.Ask the Resource Control coupists of April 22 1990 their frustration & stories to clear your doubt.The feudalist are sitting atop NNPC and almost oil agencies in Nigeria today.So who win or loose?
Cut the crab already

Igbos benefit just as much as all the major tribes in Nigeria today from crude oil money coming from South South .

Minorities in the South South would definitely get to full resources control one day. They have been able to forge a new part without the igbos in Nigeria and forced everyone to notice their plight.

You are the ones who are still mentioning SS/SE today just like ipob keep drawing their lands into a phantom Biafra despite the fact that these people have refused to be associated with ipob.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 6:17pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
Ekweme once played second fiddle to Shagari,

Why didn't he bring it out?

You think because others shut up to allow peace to reign, they must have been stupid

Nigeria suppressed her history so that peace would reign? how is that peace reigning now? your stupiid of course

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 6:21pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
Nigeria suppressed her history so that peace would reign? how is that peace reigning now? your stupiid of course
Nigeria never told her own side of story to allow igbos to be accepted into the Nigerian society after the war.

If Obasanjo and the rest had told their stories, igbos would have been treated as Fulani Herdsmen today.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 6:44pm On Jun 03, 2020
Tranquillity360:
Those racists are much better than tribe of black that starved 3 million kids of his fellow black.

Hypocrites.
.... Hypo-Po- Hypocrite pass you ? A war is a war ! If you can't go into one , then don't dear go near one ! tongue tongue tongue

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 6:47pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
Nigeria never told her own side of story to allow igbos to be accepted into the Nigerian society after the war.

If Obasanjo and the rest had told their stories, igbos would have been treated as Fulani Herdsmen today.
if Nigerians don't want Igbos accepted into Nigerian society why did they fight a bloody 3years war to bring igbos back into Nigeria. Countries that have fought war don't throw away their history except Nigeria. You don't throw away your history and expect a brighter future, that's why Nigeria is in steady decline today. A country that her past is way brighter that its future

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 6:57pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
if Nigerians don't want Igbos accepted into Nigerian society why did they fight a bloody 3years war to bring igbos back into Nigeria. No country that ever fought war suppresses her history except Nigeria. You don't throw away your history and expect a brighter future, that's why Nigeria is steady decline today. A country that her past is way brighter that its future
The question you should ask yourself is why didn't igbos try to leave alone? Why did they fight by annexing Minorities with them?

Nigeria fought against that motive, if igbos have somehow negotiated for a igbo only Biafra, I believe everyone would have accepted their decision at that point.

But after the war, if Nigeria had allow the igbos to leave, it would be as if Nigeria actually lost the war. It would also encourage others try to leave.
Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 7:09pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
if Nigerians don't want Igbos accepted into Nigerian society why did they fight a bloody 3years war to bring igbos back into Nigeria. Countries that have fought war don't throw away their history except Nigeria. You don't throw away your history and expect a brighter future, that's why Nigeria is steady decline today. A country that her past is way brighter that its future

Again they committed treason by declaring Biafra. Same way Ojukwu and the rest of the federal govt went after Boro for declaring Niger Delta Republic. You have Nnamdi Azikwe to blame for the removal of a secession clause in our constitution. So until the constitution is amended voted in by two-thirds of the house and senate, any secessionist movement can be charged with treason which is an offense punishable by death, hence the war.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 7:13pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
The question you should ask yourself is why didn't igbos try to leave alone? Why did they fight by annexing Minorities with them?

Nigeria fought against that motive, if igbos have somehow negotiated for a igbo only Biafra, I believe everyone would have accepted their decision at that point.

But after the war, if Nigeria had allow the igbos to leave, it would be as if Nigeria actually lost the war. It would also encourage others try to leave.
afonja revisionist did Ojukwu just woke up and declared Biafra? Wasn't there due consultation and round sitting with the elders and elites of the minority before the name Biafra was suggested by Frank Opigo and declared a sovereign state.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 7:20pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
The article never praised Biafra but outlines how Nigeria is not moving forward by not visiting and actually analysing what happened during and before the war.

The Article also noted that the one sided approach that Biafras have been using to tell the story is affecting the unity of the country since government has refused to tell their own side of the story.
Your education was truly a waste of money, that is if you even saw the four corner of a university. I know this may be hurt but you are not bright at all.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 7:22pm On Jun 03, 2020
DuwaRepublic:


Again they committed treason by declaring Biafra. Same way Ojukwu and the rest of the federal govt went after Boro for declaring Niger Delta Republic. You have Nnamdi Azikwe to blame for the removal of a secession clause in our constitution. So until the constitution is amended voted in by two-thirds of the house and senate, any secessionist movement can be charged with treason which is an offense punishable by death, hence the war.
the power of Nnamdi Azikiwe must be extraordinary for just him alone to remove secession clause in Nigerian constitution. At it let's keeping blaming him year after year while the country sinks further

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Jimi24: 7:22pm On Jun 03, 2020
hucienda:
Succinct, from a foreign historian.

Max Siollun is very very much a Nigerian
Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 7:23pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
Just another emotional silly rant as usual

So what about the truth that majority of the oil discovered then was in the land of the minorities?

What about the people people killed by the Biafran army in old Bendel state?

What About the truth that Ojukwu crushed oil rich rebellion of ijaw only to annex their land later into Biafra for the sake of crude oil?

What about the truth about the Ijaws killed by the Biafran army in the war?

Don't even get me started on the public killing of Banjo despite the fact that he fought for your Biafra!

And the list goes on


If Obasanjo and Gowon were to say what they know, Igbos would not be able to live in Nigeria again.
How do people even do business with a person of low IQ like you?

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 7:23pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
afonja revisionist did Ojukwu just woke up and declared Biafra? Wasn't there due consultation and round sitting with the elders and elites of the minority before the name Biafra was suggested by Frank Opigo and declared a sovereign state.
which useless elder

Ojukwu declared Biafra because of oil found in minority land

Or why did you think Minorities worked to sabotage your efforts and even claimed your properties after the war

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 7:25pm On Jun 03, 2020
Kenplay:

Your education was truly a waste of money, that is if you even saw the four corner of a university. I know this may be hurt but you are not bright at all.
You should work on your comprehension skills before giving me a mention next time.

Why don't point to my misunderstanding in the article!

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 7:27pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
the power of Nnamdi Azikiwe must be extraordinary for just him alone to remove secession clause in Nigeria's constitution. At it let's keeping blaming him year after year while the country sinks further

He did become our first president/head of government after all. This is someone that ran for political office in Ghana for crying out loud, and wrestled western region leadership with Awolowo. He then supported Biafra and then changed his mind and went against Biafra during the war! Lol

He wasn’t a nobody that’s for sure. He argued that a secession clause shouldn’t be included in our constitution and that Nigeria should be an indissoluble sovereign state, he admitted this by the way), the British court agreed with him and that was that.
Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 7:28pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
You should work on your comprehension skills before giving me a mention next time.

Why don't point to my misunderstanding in the article!
You lack objectivity, dishonest, emotional like a woman and twist fact to suit your sentiment.

How do people even do business with you realising that you have a very low IQ.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 7:28pm On Jun 03, 2020
Kenplay:

How do people even do business with a person of low IQ like you?

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You think insulting my intelligence would shake me cheesy

I can see my truths pierce your heart like a thousand daggers cheesy

You are not even intelligent enough to start a decent conversation

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by DMerciful(m): 7:30pm On Jun 03, 2020
That constitution at independence that you accused Zik of influencing to exclude secession clause was abandoned in 1966. Did zik prevent it from being included in the 1979 or 1999 constitution?
DuwaRepublic:


Again they committed treason by declaring Biafra. Same way Ojukwu and the rest of the federal govt went after Boro for declaring Niger Delta Republic. You have Nnamdi Azikwe to blame for the removal of a secession clause in our constitution. So until the constitution is amended voted in by two-thirds of the house and senate, any secessionist movement can be charged with treason which is an offense punishable by death, hence the war.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 7:32pm On Jun 03, 2020
Kenplay:

You lack objectivity, dishonest, emotional like a woman and twist fact to suit your sentiment.

How do people even do business with you realising that you have a very low IQ.
You should remember that you are the emotional one for giving me emotionally charged mentions without any solid counter points outside general insults you picked up on social media. grin

You have described yourself like a self written biography in your comments

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 7:40pm On Jun 03, 2020
DMerciful:
That constitution at independence that you accused Zik of influencing to exclude secession clause was abandoned in 1966. Did zik prevent it from being included in the 1979 or 1999 constitution?

If you read the article or know Nigeria’s history you would have been able to answer your question yourself. The constitution passed post civil war were from the military force who participated in and won the war, all the generals have taken turns ruling this country, heck some of them simply switched costumes to continue to rule this country. So to answer your question Nigeria might not have a chance to truly amend the constitution until all the people who participated in the war are dead.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Tranquillity360: 7:40pm On Jun 03, 2020
Supermugu:
.... Hypo-Po- Hypocrite pass you ? A war is a war ! If you can't go into one , then don't dear go near one ! tongue tongue tongue
Hypocrites.


But you yorubas supports the killing of unarmed Ipob.


Is that war too?

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 7:41pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
which useless elder

Ojukwu declared Biafra because of oil found in minority land

Or why did you think Minorities worked to sabotage your efforts and even claimed your properties after the war
have you forgotten ethno-religious riots, pogrom and how Igbos were massacred in Northern Nigeria while Armed forces looked away. Who would see all these and choose to be in same with you? Ojukwu fought for the safety of Easterners

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Iamgrey5(m): 7:46pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
have you forgotten ethno-religious riots, pogrom and how Igbos were massacred in Northern Nigeria while Armed forces looked away. Who would see all these and choose to be in same with you
Have you forgotten how you laughed and poked fun at them when Tafawa Balewa was killed.?

While I will never support the killings of unarmed civilians, you people should know that for every action, there is always a reaction.

I am not Hausa, igbos voluntarily left ibadan and Lagos, no one killed you there.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by proeast(m): 7:51pm On Jun 03, 2020
It will continue to haunt them until they make reparations for all the attrocities they committed against the Biafrans that were only defending their right to life.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by T9ksy(m): 7:52pm On Jun 03, 2020
AngryNijerian:
afonja revisionist did Ojukwu just woke up and declared Biafra? Wasn't there due consultation and round sitting with the elders and elites of the minority before the name Biafra was suggested by Frank Opigo and declared a sovereign state.


Haba! It's not rocket science, na !! which part of "No secession" clause in the constitution of the new nation are you struggling to grasp? Ironically, it was your elite that fought vehemently and sometimes dirty too, to prevent the inclusion of such provisions in our constitution.

It's for this simple reason that ojukwu was very decisive in crushing Adaka boro's Niger delta insurrection, in feb. 1966 when his brethren Ironsi, was holding sway at dodan barrack- seat of the military HOS.

So, in essence, even if ojukwu had consulted with all the dead ibos since 1914 in Nigeria and beyond including the gods and deities of Nriland, once he embarked on that route (secession) , he's committing a treasonable offence and ultimately will be dealt with like he (ojukwu), did Boro.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 8:00pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
Have forgotten you laughed and poke fun at them when Tafawa Balewa was killed.?

While I will never support the killings of unarmed civilians, you people should know that for every action, there is always a reaction.

I am not Hausa, igbos voluntarily left ibadan and Lagos no one killed you there.
so how many northerners/Tafawa Balewa did Igbos killed or pinched pin at as hundreds of Igbos were massacred in Jos 1945 and Kano 1953.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by AngryNijerian: 8:04pm On Jun 03, 2020
Afonjas, you should have been neutral in all these than justifying the atrocities Northerners committed against Igbos. The day Igbo judgement would come you will not be spared

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by proeast(m): 8:13pm On Jun 03, 2020
Iamgrey5:
[s]which useless elder

Ojukwu declared Biafra because of oil found in minority land

Or why did you think Minorities worked to sabotage your efforts and even claimed your properties after the war [/s]

Your low IQ is mind boggling indeed. A coup that was committed by men of different ethnicities was labeled an Igbo coup (a classic case of calling a dog a bad name in order to hang it) then a counter coup was committed by a section of the country and a pogrom against Easterners were endorsed by the ruling class. If the killings had been limited to only Igbos and Eastern minorities in the army, it would have been a little understandable but instead tens of thousands of Igbos including pregnant women and children were massacred in cold blood while the government gave tacit support to the arsonists. Then if you're to be in the shoes of Ojukwu you will ignore it all and pretend that all is well?

Don't you know that there were hundreds of thousands of survivors who ran back to the East and there was massive anger??

Don't you know that Ojukwu consulted the Eastern regional house assembly that comprised of Igbos and minorities and they overwhelmingly voted for the declaration of Biafrans??

Lazy and ignorant people like you are trying to rewrite history even when you're obviously handicapped to do so.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Chimaraymond455: 8:14pm On Jun 03, 2020
We are igbos,, hated by her follow country men and women just because we are bless tribe in africa, ...........We survived..
Kano Pogrom 1945
Jos Pogrom 1953
Nationwide pogrom 1966
Genocide 1967 to 1970.
We survived abandoned properties.
We survived state imposed bankruptcy.
We survived nationalisation of industries.
We survived quota system.
We survived government anti Igbo policies.
We survived Fulani herdsmen.
We survived destruction of our properties in Islamic riots.
We will outlive every evil policy from a country entangled in gross darkness and mired in structural wickedness.
Evil can never triumph over good.
We will overcome the dark heart of man.



Today we remind Nigeria that her past will continue to haunt her, her present will continue to torment her and her future will continue to elude her... for obfuscating history and conniving with evil, until Biafra is recognised and freed.Nigeria will never know peace..................Eastern Nigeria like isreal is surrounding with enemies...

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 8:36pm On Jun 03, 2020
Tranquillity360:
Hypocrites.


But you yorubas supports the killing of unarmed Ipob.


Is that war too?
..... Hypo - po - Hypocrite ! Unarmed ipob abi ? Shey una dey say una Dailector go fit run down Nigeria army ? Abi na with stone una Dilector wan do am or na with Arms ? Yeye dey smell !!! tongue
Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Mazikic(m): 8:41pm On Jun 03, 2020
With all these obsession about "Unity", is the country unified now?.

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Re: Nigeria Is Haunted By Its Civil War-- New York Times by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jun 03, 2020
proeast:


Your low IQ is mind boggling indeed. A coup that was committed by men of different ethnicities was labeled an Igbo coup (a classic case of calling a dog a bad name in order to hang it) then a counter coup was committed by a section of the country and a pogrom against Easterners were endorsed by the ruling class. If the killings had been limited to only Igbos and Eastern minorities in the army, it would have been a little understandable but instead tens of thousands of Igbos including pregnant women and children were massacred in cold blood while the government gave tacit support to the arsonists. Then if you're to be in the shoes of Ojukwu you will ignore it all and pretend that all is well?

Don't you know that there were hundreds of thousands of survivors who ran back to the East and there was massive anger??

Don't you know that Ojukwu consulted the Eastern regional house assembly that comprised of Igbos and minorities and they overwhelmingly voted for the declaration of Biafrans??

Lazy and ignorant people like you are trying to rewrite history even when you're obviously handicapped to do so.

It’s called an Igbo coup because no Igbo leader died during the executions of the coup. The main participants of the coup and the ring leader was igbo, the person who ended taking over the government was igbo, he also was very lenient on the perpetrators of the coup.

So please learn to take responsibilities for your actions for once in your lives. Don’t make the same mistakes your elders made, they’ve put you people in a bad situation but you can get out of it by fully integrating yourselves into this country, being divisive has done nothing but made y’all situation worse.

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