Try watch: The Witcher Knigtfall The Outpost Enemy within Emerald City The 100 Treadstone

Adiwana:


Contextually,i may have exaggerated Tom's performance as Ben as you may think that I hold him as the greatest actor on TV or him putting the greatest performance on TV if you want to mention Kevin Spacey. Kevin is a lead character in HOC so no way am I saying that Tom put in a better performance than him in terms of general performance.Tom just made cameo performance while Kevin is House of Cards himself and that's why the last season of the film felt empty without him.Of course it's absurd if I think that way.


Talking about a combination of good acting/directing and you're calling Billions and Homeland??lol. Maybe you mistake good stroyline to this other elements of movie production. Maybe you also think that Blacklist is a movie that satisfies both niches just because the storylines are edgy and James Spader is acting his ass out on the movie while the supporting casts are just doing the same thing over and over again.

Your argument that Tom put in a similar performance in a similar role in another movie and try to use it to discredit his performance in Ozark doesn't make sense. I have seen Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) jump off literally in all his movies.Will I say that he's a bad actor cause he always jumps off some cliffs in his movies? No.

Julia Garner didn't just mimick the southern accent,she embodied the Hillbilly persona.Do you know why the Joker is probably the hardest character to play?? Sure anybody can paint himself as a clown and call himself the Joker but it goes beyond that. You have to embody that character in such a way that viewers cannot separate you from the character. Up till today,I can't separate Heath Ledger from the Joker that's to show you how great Heath was in Dark Knight. Ruth wasn't on Heath's level btw,but she put in something close to that in terms of her hillbilly performance.Trying to say she won because GoT had a terrible finale is just piss poor excuse.GoT wasn't the only movie that came out that year.Why didn't other actresses in other movies beat her to the award

Movies with great actings/directing goes beyond one character carrying the whole movie and som.Why do you think GoT is still an all-time great despite the ending??This is because the performance and general production spread across many actors on board.Supporting actors are putting in the performance of their lifetime.Check out Christopher Nolan and Queintein Tarantino works and see how cohesive their movie are.

Ozark is not very good because it has some out of the water acting,productions and what not.Its very good because it's cohesive in such a way that it brings all this elements under one roof which many movies lack.Every actor is putting in their bits as none is lacking.Very few movies match it in that cohesiveness

Lol here you go again trying to change the narrative. But am glad you agreed you exaggerated about his performances. And I don't think you really understand what making a cameo in a movie means but its all good.

Well yes I mentioned homeland and a host of other series severally, I only mention Billions once. If you were paying a close enough attention that should have given a good enough hint but I won't dwell on that. And I never mentioned Blacklist so don't put words in my mouth. Thank you

You are making it sound as if the series I have mentioned had only one main actors and actresses carrying it like Blacklist or House of cards. You seem to have missed the point of the banter. You clearly said Tom was the best thing on TV right now and only Jesse from BB came close. So I went on to list characters from selected series that I feel eclipse his acting. Well at least you agreed they did b4 trying to change the narrative so its cool.

And here you go again trying to put words in my mouth. Maybe you should critically read my posts well enough next time before replying. I clearly said Tom has always been a good actor. For someone who understands English, that clearly means that I consider him to be a good actor, thats why I wasn't surprised as to how good he was in Ozark. I even went on to let you know that he has played a similar role, not exactly the same bipolar stuff but something similar in Banshee. Then I added I personally felt his performance in Banshee was better than his performance in Ozark. Now where did I discredit his performance? Rolls eyes*. Maybe you see Banshee then you will fully appreciate what I am saying he was gem there.

OMG am laughing. You were the one that mentioned GOT first. You mentioned it in such away that made you sound like Julia was better than all the stars in GOT. And that was what I was trying to defend. Not that she wasn't good. I clearly said as much in previous post. But I still stand by what I said she isn't the 1st and won't be the last.

Now to this I clearly stated why I mentioned one iconic characters in each of these series. If you can't understand that well I can't help you. Banshee for one had incredibly acting and directing, from Antony Starr as Lucas Hood, Tom pelphrey has Kunt, the iconic Hoon lee as Job, Ivana as Carrie and obviously Ulrich as Proctor. This isn't a series carried by one person. Since that's your new topic of argument. I don't even think you understand what good writing means though. Hint it isn't about the acting. Westworld is yet another series that isn't only carried by Delores.

Homeland isn't a series carried by one person. I have already mentioned two people names from it that did very well. Heres another Robert Friend's performance in homeland earned him an Emmy nomination. And its not my fault you don't appreciate the incredible masterpiece that is homeland lol. Should we even talk about handmaid's tale? These are cohesive masterpieces. Enough said

There you go again with the hyperbole. No! Many series don't lack cohesiveness, its better to say many series you have watched. Maybe actually check out some good series so you won't be sounding this way.

Please read what I wrote here well before you reply. I don't like it when people put words in my mouth.

Topmaike007:
you be lady wey sabi jare...
Try out "the expanse"

Lol your making feel like, I don't have a life outside movies lol. Because I have also watched the expanse

Rita5:


Am glad you noticed where I questioned if I was being too critical. Maybe I am being too critical but to be honest, I love Ozark. I have recommended it to alot of people because its that good. Its amazing really but for some reason s3 didn't speak to me the way s1 and s2 did. I was underwhelmed, maybe because I had hyped it so much myself that I began expecting something magical but it just didn't go down well with me.

I felt bored several times watching s3, something that never happened when I watched s1 and s2. But like I told the other guy, its OK if you don't agree. It isn't a must we see things the same way.

But then he just had to over inflate Ozark. I mean I have been on the other side of this discussion several times. I think this is the 1st time I am on the opposing side. But even when I was hyping Ozark, I knew my limits or better yet its limits. It would be shortsighted for me to say Ozark was the best thing on TV. Did I think about it at the time sure I did but I also knew better.

About Carrie Mathison lol. I just felt it would be unfair to mention her because when it comes to playing a bipolar character, Claire Dane is just at the top. Also she has played this character for 8 years, so she clearly knows her stuff. To compare her to Ben will be totally unfair but Tom was great in that role too no doubt. But Claire Dane is just a natural at being bipolar. I think you dismissed Brody a bit too quickly there though. His acting was a breath of fresh air.

Am glad to see someone appreciate good storytelling and acting. Have you seen Gangs of London?

Now I understand why you didn't mention Claire Dane it would truly be unfair. And I didn't dismissed Brody, well maybe I did. Well it wasn't intentional, just wanted to get your views on Claire really. I have seen GOL. Its really good too. The violence is out of this world, I personally love the gunfights. Its a solid series.

And about your views on Ozark, I understand, sometimes it happens to me too. Especially when I have watched alot of similar series prior. I guess you should just sum this one as one of those times.

pstmikol1:

Ma I mention you earlier but you didn't reply. I need your help ma. I could've been at home but the lockdown didn't allow me and I don't know what to do or where to go. Pls let me find favor in your eye. Thanks

Hmm

Adiwana:


I need to address some misconceptions you have about my view point on Ozark before you think am degrading other movies just because I think Ozark is the best thing on TV right now

Ozark has continuously improved in ratings with each passing Season .The storyline,acting and most importantly directing is non other.The movie has seen Julia Garner beat many GoT stars for Emmy and has also had Jason Bateman win best director for his works as a director and if you've seen Ozark, you'll confirm this.Not like i judge movies through awards and ratings anyway,but this is testimony of how much good that movie has progressed through the years and the season 3 as you already confirmed is very good.

There are other great movies out there that has seen great actings and productions. Kevin Spacey's House of Cards is one of my all time best and it's very good.James Spader continues to wax stronger in the Blacklist. Thematically nothing is touching Westworld.Not to talk about greats like Breaking Bad,GoT. Hell, even Chernobyl as a mini series is a very well put together movie that gets you hooked with very nice productions. I like all this movies and their production sets/actors and I appreciate some nice well put together film.

Comparing Claire Danes who is a main character and Tom Pelphery's actings is a testimony of how good Ozark is. Tom is not even a major character or some "supporting" actor.He didn't play a role that will contend for an Emmy but he put in an Oscar performance in his short Cameo in the movie. The jail scene and his solo performance in the taxi is nothing short of brilliance

Now,am judging based on what is running on TV right now. GoT & Breaking Bad to me are the two best things that has ever been produced on TV.Just because i say that nobody is ever touching the two doesn't mean I for example don't see Ozark as a great movie. I could use your logic that I put other movies under the bus and say just because GoT and breaking Bad are so good that Ozark that am "hyping" is bad.Doesnt make any sense.

Lastly,movies are not just judged by thrills and storylines.A lot of other things come into play like productions,acting and directing in which Ozark so far has excelled in it.I have not seen everything that's on TV atm,but no movie that I have seen so far that's running on Netflix or any other platform RIGHT NOW ticks all those boxes and the increase in ratings is no hype.

Dude you don't have to try so hard to sell Ozark to me. I like the series. But you clearly mentioned writing in your previous post. Now in your last paragraph your like movies are not judge by thrills and storylines. You do know how that looks right? If I may add you don't have the monopoly on what a movie should be judged on. Last time I checked there are awards for storytelling/writing. So don't try to direct anyone here on how they should judge a movie.

I think you should read your previous post to see how you degraded a lot of good series. You claimed you were talking about only current series but you said clearly only Jesse came close to Ben. Now is breaking bad a current series? And so you know Ozark has been out for over a month so in real sense it isn't that current anymore. But it did came out around the time Homeland was winding up so it isn't out of place to compare both. Also Westworld only ended few weeks ago so its still fairly recent, So falls into your atm tag.

And yeah Ozark has won awards and rightly so but so as many other series and so has many other directors.

No one says don't hype a series. But when doing so at least for people like us who have watched really good series don't use absolutes. There are only few series that absolutes can be used on and thats breaking bad and Got. But its best not to use absolutes at all. By using absolute statements like no one comes close to Tom's performance at the moment you have essentially degraded the works of these fine actors you mentioned. Thats my only bone in this discussion, your use of absolute. It makes you sound like someone who just discovered a good series recently, which it doesn't seem you fall in that category.

Lastly about Claire and Tom, theres no comparison. I was the one who brought up the comparison but Rita has shown me that it would be unfair to even begin to compare. And no Tom role wasn't a cameo please. He was a supporting actor. A cameo is a completely different thing. Now Ed shereen's role in GOT now thats a cameo. A cameo essentially doesn't affect the storyline in any real way, but Tom's character affected the storyline massively. Heck he played a major role in how the series progressed. So don't disrespect him by limiting his role to cameo. If you look at the casting for Ozark, Tom is listed has having a main role in the series.

You can also check out Stan Lee's appearances in MCU movies before he died. Now that's a cameo.

The point is there are many other series out there that are very good, just because you haven't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. So using absolutes is something you should try to avoid. I personally don't use absolutes anymore. I did before but we grow as we keep getting exposed to new things.

Check out altered carbon. Fargo is amazing too, storywise and acting, Stranger things, Narcos, the haunting of hill house, dark, mindhunter, the punisher, mr robot, fringe, killing eve, legion, sense8, rectify and so many others.

I do understand feeling so hype about a current series that we feel it's all that. But trust me it isn't. In Fargo you will find an incredible actress who can rival Julia's performance her name is Alison Tolman. There are great series out there so when I read your post of "no movie out there has better writing and directing than Ozark" I just feel angry for all these people who have given their sweat to bring incredible stories to life.

jikins:


Now I understand why you didn't mention Claire Dane it would truly be unfair. And I didn't dismissed Brody, well maybe I did. Well it wasn't intentional, just wanted to get your views on Claire really. I have seen GOL. Its really good too. The violence is out of this world, I personally love the gunfights. Its a solid series.

And about your views on Ozark, I understand, sometimes it happens to me too. Especially when I have watched alot of similar series prior. I guess you should just sum this one as one of those times.

Glad you like GOL

jikins:


Dude you don't have to try so hard to sell Ozark to me. I like the series. But you clearly mentioned writing in your previous post. Now in your last paragraph your like movies are not judge by thrills and storylines. You do know how that looks right? If I may add you don't have the monopoly on what a movie should be judged on. Last time I checked there are awards for storytelling/writing. So don't try to direct anyone here on how they should judge a movie.

I think you should read your previous post to see how you degraded a lot of good series. You claimed you were talking about only current series but you said clearly only Jesse came close to Ben. Now is breaking bad a current series? And so you know Ozark has been out for over a month so in real sense it isn't that current anymore. But it did came out around the time Homeland was winding up so it isn't out of place to compare both. Also Westworld only ended few weeks ago so its still fairly recent, So falls into your atm tag.

And yeah Ozark has won awards and rightly so but so as many other series and so has many other directors.

No one says don't hype a series. But when doing so at least for people like us who have watched really good series don't use absolutes. There are only few series that absolutes can be used on and thats breaking bad and Got. But its best not to use absolutes at all. By using absolute statements like no one comes close to Tom's performance at the moment you have essentially degraded the works of these fine actors you mentioned. Thats my only bone in this discussion, your use of absolute. It makes you sound like someone who just discovered a good series recently, which it doesn't seem you fall in that category.

Lastly about Claire and Tom, theres no comparison. I was the one who brought up the comparison but Rita has shown me that it would be unfair to even begin to compare. And no Tom role wasn't a cameo please. He was a supporting actor. A cameo is a completely different thing. Now Ed shereen's role in GOT now thats a cameo. A cameo essentially doesn't affect the storyline in any real way, but Tom's character affected the storyline massively. Heck he played a major role in how the series progressed. So don't disrespect him by limiting his role to cameo. If you look at the casting for Ozark, Tom is listed has having a main role in the series.

You can also check out Stan Lee's appearances in MCU movies before he died. Now that's a cameo.

The point is there are many other series out there that are very good, just because you haven't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. So using absolutes is something you should try to avoid. I personally don't use absolutes anymore. I did before but we grow as we keep getting exposed to new things.

Check out altered carbon. Fargo is amazing too, storywise and acting, Stranger things, Narcos, the haunting of hill house, dark, mindhunter, the punisher, mr robot, fringe, killing eve, legion, sense8, rectify and so many others.

I do understand feeling so hype about a current series that we feel it's all that. But trust me it isn't. In Fargo you will find an incredible actress who can rival Julia's performance her name is Alison Tolman. There are great series out there so when I read your post of "no movie out there has better writing and directing than Ozark" I just feel angry for all these people who have given their sweat to bring incredible stories to life.

I couldn't have said it any better myself, I love Fargo. While most people praise GOT and BB, I feel Fargo is right up there as one of the greats. Season 4 was meant to be out this year but coronavirus has delayed it . Hopefully it comes out soon. Oh Allison Tolman was incredible in s1 and also when she guest stared in s2. Was really hoping to see her again in s4 but alas she isn't coming back, yet

Rita5:



I couldn't have said it any better myself, I love Fargo. While most people praise GOT and BB, I feel Fargo is right up there as one of the greats. Season 4 was meant to be out this year but coronavirus has delayed it . Hopefully it comes out soon. Oh Allison Tolman was incredible in s1 and also when she guest stared in s2. Was really hoping to see her again in s4 but alas she isn't coming back, yet

Lol your right Fargo is right up there. I mean the casting has been top notch from day 1. Given the fact that they do change almost the entire cast every season and yet the series still manages to be this iconic. I have never seen a series take this long before a new season comes out. I mean the last season was back in 2017. This is 2020. Still we are still hype for a new one. I mean the acting is phenomenal but I feel the writers room is were all the real MVP for the series are found.

Am a bit taken aback to see Chris Rock playing a main role, but given the history of Fargo am sure he and all the other casts will deliver.

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Vyzz:





To be sincere boss



When u talk of CW movies, it is originals and vampire diaries.
I have seen supernaturals and its good but TO and VD is better.

Legacies is the only film that isn't that good.

I haven't seen ur stargirl though.

And American gods is great if u can understand it.


But rivadale?
Even a cw fb group I joined doesn't rate it well.

Its like u watch good movies though

true blood is far better than vampire diaries... it's depicts what a vampire really is. vampire diaries na just for teenagers.... VD was interesting though...... but I didn't finish it.. I got fed up at season six.. they were just going merry-go-round like they don't know how to end the story.. I will choose Originals over VD anytime any day. the storyline was very much mature than VD... legacy na for kids or teenagers.. it's like the vampire diaries of this generation so I don't expect young adults to find it interesting as it's predecessor Originals.. I myself don't find it that amusing.. I just watch many of this series to pass time including the uninteresting ones... there was a time that I was fed up with all this new series that I had to go back to watching Smallville all over again... even this present day DC series no sweet reach Smallville... na Supergirl I hate pass.. that series na one Feministic series....

Topmaike007:
yeah try out the expanse

I watch expanse the night the series was premiered but na just two minutes.. lol.... Maybe when I few series on my plate I fit watch am.. I love sci-fi more than just ordinary action series... for now, series too much I had to live some for later especially those that are close to ending like the 100 and Agent of shield

obentenyson:
true blood is far better than vampire diaries... it's depicts what a vampire really is. vampire diaries na just for teenagers.... VD was interesting though...... but I didn't finish it.. I got fed up at season six.. they were just going merry-go-round like they don't know how to end the story.. I will choose Originals over VD anytime any day. the storyline was very much mature than VD... legacy na for kids or teenagers.. it's like the vampire diaries of this generation so I don't expect young adults to find it interesting as it's predecessor Originals.. I myself don't find it that amusing.. I just watch many of this series to pass time including the uninteresting ones... there was a time that I was fed up with all this new series that I had to go back to watching Smallville all over again... even this present day DC series no sweet reach Smallville... na Supergirl I hate pass.. that series na one Feministic series....

Yeah the originals is better that vampire diaries but vampire diaries can't be that bad.




You are right, supergirl is the worst CW/DC series I have ever watched.


I don't know who employed the writer

Vyzz:




Yeah the originals is better that vampire diaries but vampire diaries can't be that bad.




You are right, supergirl is the worst CW/DC series I have ever watched.


I don't know who employed the writer

I don't know but they have the same producers with other dc series

Dollywood:
Dragon Balls Z


The Gifted (dopest series)

I swear,the gifted is very interesting.I don't know why they stopped.

obentenyson:
I watch expanse the night the series was premiered but na just two minutes.. lol.... Maybe when I few series on my plate I fit watch am.. I love sci-fi more than just ordinary action series... for now, series too much I had to live some for later especially those that are close to ending like the 100 and Agent of shield

just about to watch episode3 of the100 the last season is somehow of DC time zone things, just like flash going into the future..

There are lots of series I am seeing now from Stargirl to watching animination series

Rita5:


Lol your making feel like, I don't have a life outside movies lol. Because I have also watched the expanse

you too much jare lolz.. Anyone I mention you've "watch it" abeg go watch "tales from the loop" I bet you've not yet seen it. It's also Amazon original

ProfDview1:



I Don watch strike back...... Any idea abt another powerful movie like strike back?

The shooter

GreaterFuture1:
Any good ones without Sex and/or Violence?

The good doctor

Mkayfrenzy:


Try Scandal. You'll love it

It doesn't seem like it

czarr:
it's not my brother, how many seasons have you watched....it gets interesting the more it goes on

The first 2 seasons are okay...after the blackhood saga,it became horrible,watch 13 reasons why and you will know Riverdale is bullshit and very unrealistic

Sunnick:
Gangs of London make sense

Gangs of London is very overrated.Just average at best

isaac2392:
How about Queen of the south.... has anyone try to watch that too

Yes awesome

beejay501:

Lol na after too much pressure from my friend o
Now I'm at season 2,still thinks my guy over hype the series jare as it is too slow, it's noting like THE BLACKLIST ( Best TV show of all time )

You can stop watching it,it doesn't get much better cos we are used to fast paced films.I Had to endure weeks of uenjoyment to finish it cos of its reputation

unimagin:
I'm a novice to films, presently I hv a lot of time for myself. Movie freaks pls recommend good captivating season films for me. I like films where security is trying to clamp down on terrorists, drug lords, crime, heavy shooting (eg 24 hours Jack Bauer)

That you mentioned jack bauer means you be sabi person.Watch prison break,along with 24,those 2 are d best tvseries ever made.Watch narcos and narcos:mexico,OZ(old but very mad),strike back is good too,Power is good.money heist is okay too but not as good as people paint it to be

Rita5:


Saying money Heist is trash is just being short sighted really. Its clearly over hyped and good but its not great but its definitely not trash. GOT was the best series I had seen until the disaster that was the final season. Blacklist is ok but not great either. And some very above average series have been mentioned like homeland, altered carbon, the handmaid's tale, banshee, breaking bad, peaky blinders, gangs of London and many others.

Money heist ain't trash,though they should have ended it in season 3 or 4.GOT is very good,i think prison break and 24 are the only series i can rate above it.The gangs of London ehn i dont understand the hype,so overrated,average at best.Breaking bad too the pace is just too slow,i was planning on watching peaky blinders but with your comment,i might drop it

tonididdy:
someone recommend a top notch heist or prison series please.



ps I have seen moneyheist and stranger Things

You need to watch OZ(1997-2003),there is nothing like it.Thank me later

Topshow4real:
I'm watching 24 for the first time. I'm really enjoying the movie

Enjoy it while it lasts,only prison break comes close to it.GOT trails slightly

DSHADOWWALKER:



You need to watch OZ(1997-2003),there is nothing like it.Thank me later

hmmm let me start tonight then.
btw is it heist or prison series?

Prison break remains the the series ever produced.