mannyiyke:
Explain how doctors intrude, please. To the best of my knowledge, no doctor has ever practised pharmacy, but pharmacists intrude into medicine, to the extent that they now have beds in their pharmaceutical shops where they treat patients as if they were doctors.

mannyiyke:
Where have you seen pharmacy students do more pathology than medical students? Medical doctors are the real pathologists. If pharmacy students do more pathology, when will you study all those audio courses you enumerated?

Period007:

Many Doctors prescribe and dispense drugs directly to their patients in their private clinics
Or is it when a medical doctor works as specialists o and g in government hospital,meanwhile in his private clinic becomes a general practitioner,dentist,optometrist,surgeon,pharmacIst

Period007:

To every medical student's,every course/area done by other students are peripherals......yet they have to spend more than 6 years after school specializing in those areas.(we begin to wonder why spend six years in medical school)
Medical graduates are like "Jack of all trades and master of none " until after residency

mannyiyke:
pharmacists want to do ward round. With this Pharm.D, they'll claim they're medical doctors in the hospital. Most of them do it in their pharmaceutical shops, siting IV lines and treating patients as if they're medical doctors. Medical laboratory scientists are not left out too. They do uncountable tests and prescribe drugs. These are unethical.

mannyiyke:
Explain how doctors intrude, please. To the best of my knowledge, no doctor has ever practised pharmacy, but pharmacists intrude into medicine, to the extent that they now have beds in their pharmaceutical shops where they treat patients as if they were doctors.

Murketeer:

It looks like you dont understand the Importance of ward rounds...A very Smart Physician will take a pharmacist along when doing ward rounds ...just around February here ...a few infants died from Diarrhea and Vomiting at UBTH...and that was because the Docs were administering a drug combination regimen that was causing a severe drug- drug reaction which led to the inefficacy of one of the most important drugs needed by the children to stop the diarrhea ...and this is what a Pharmacist would have spotted easily ...The Docs have a lot of patients to deal with ...they have less time ....so taking a pharmacist along will help to spot some mistakes as a result of oversight or not ...so don't say what you dont know

MrEgghead:
In Nigeria, everything goes...
In sane climes, you dare not change a doctor's prescription, you'll be jailed if found guilty...
Do you know about the diagnosis that you want to change the prescription? That's why he's a medical doc. he considers many factors before prescribing and that doesn't mean he's infallible.
A fulfilled pharmacist will quizz the doctor on why he's prescribing such drug and not change it.
Guy, the distance between a medic and a pharmacist is TOO far..Don't refer to a pharmacist as another doctor, he's not and he should be proud as a pharmacist.

kinglato:

Bro foam dey your head?
Which school you finish from?
Because you have been brainwashed here in Nigeria, Go abroad where you can't get out of any malpractice and see how you fellow are trending carefully.
You are here ranting rust.
Outside Nigeria, you have Pharmacist that can prescribe apart from their primary assignment. they hold prescribing licence.
And recently, the NHIS has given nurse with extra education right to do some minor surgery.
F**ls like you rant because they have little or no job to do. Place where things are going good, you will gladly mind your business.
If you are frustrated, go back to school and study pharmacy, I pray you can even graduate self.
You haven't seen anything yet, the next 10yrs will tell you how irrelevant you have become and how they have brainwash you
thanks I remain a Pharmacist not a medical doctor. I build, they rent.

kinglato:

Bro foam dey your head?
Which school you finish from?
Because you have been brainwashed here in Nigeria, Go abroad where you can't get out of any malpractice and see how you fellow are trending carefully.
You are here ranting rust.
Outside Nigeria, you have Pharmacist that can prescribe apart from their primary assignment. they hold prescribing licence.
And recently, the NHIS has given nurse with extra education right to do some minor surgery.
F**ls like you rant because they have little or no job to do. Place where things are going good, you will gladly mind your business.
If you are frustrated, go back to school and study pharmacy, I pray you can even graduate self.
You haven't seen anything yet, the next 10yrs will tell you how irrelevant you have become and how they have brainwash you
thanks I remain a Pharmacist not a medical doctor. I build, they rent.

Period007:

To every medical student's,every course/area done by other students are peripherals......yet they have to spend more than 6 years after school specializing in those areas.(we begin to wonder why spend six years in medical school)
Medical graduates are like "Jack of all trades and master of none " until after residency

Period007:

Don't mind that guy.....who still doesn't no pharmacIst go on ward rounds,he's probably one of those pre clinical students.
The next 10yrs will definitely humble him...after spending years chasing residency who knows he might end up in one quack clinic collecting peanuts.He thinks the world starts and ends with an MBBS

mannyiyke:
That shows you're ignorant. Are branches of medicine or surgery easy that years will not be spent on them in order to know them well after undergraduate education? How can a medical doctor become a qualified general surgeon, or a cardiologist with just a first degree? Even after a residency in general surgery or other surgical or medical subspecialties, the doctor may further his or her education in the form of fellowship in specific areas, so as to give the best result. Medicine is extremely vast. To you, they're jacks of all trades and masters of none after first degree, because you don't know that it's a vast field of study that requires meticulousness, and therefore having a first degree isn't enough, so as to avoid wasting human lives. That's why utmost attention is paid to it.

Newly graduated doctors are very knowledgeable, because they can diagnose and treat diseases and do minor surgical operations, unlike newly graduated pharmacists that can't even defend their profession in practice. We have had cardiovascular surgeries and renal transplants done in Nigeria by Nigerian surgeons, but 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot manufacture a drug. The main people in the drug production arm of indigenous drug manufacturers in Nigeria are still White men. Go there and see for yourself.


Instead of trying to improve pharmacy education in the area of drug production as the White men did, on the contrary, you people resorted to garnishing your first degree on a surface level like a beautiful sepulchre with nothing inside it, and say that the essence is to make pharmacists better clinicians in the hospital. It has never been the job of pharmacists to be clinicians. Their job is to review prescriptions and to manufacture drugs.

MrEgghead:
If I spend years chasing residency, what will you be chasing?
#Food for thought.

Period007:

Many Doctors prescribe and dispense drugs directly to their patients in their private clinics
Or is it when a medical doctor works as specialists o and g in government hospital,meanwhile in his private clinic becomes a general practitioner,dentist,optometrist,surgeon,pharmacIst

MrEgghead:
Oga, Pharmacists in US are only allowed to prescribe OTC drugs..Do you know why ? Med. docs are scarce in some of those regions and the Pharmacists even do that in that closet not in hospitals...Because you couldn't get MBBS, you took PharmD as solace and you think you'd be able to play a Doctor with that ,it can never happen...You were trained to dispense and not to treat shits..You guys are potential killers...The only course in pharmacy that is relevant to practice of Medicine is Pharmacology and MBBS students will beat you People hands down in pharma as they studied the clinical applications also..At the end, is the drugs not going to the body? Without the knowledge of MORBID pathology, pharmD is only an upgrade to chemists because they know the use of drugs also...I've not mentioned Internal Medicine, surgery, paed , obs and gyna or Are you grounded in those aspects?
Stick to your drug production and dispensing as that's your job's description..
It's not late to get a MBBS degree though.

mannyiyke:
He has a right to practice general medicine in his clinic. His degree is MBBS (bachelor of medicine; bachelor of surgery). Therefore, he studied surgery too and can do minor surgeries if he's capable of doing it. It's not wrong. He studied pharmacology and therefore has a right to prescribe drugs. That's his responsibility. He can only go wrong when he starts delving into surgeries that only specialists can perform. No doctor practises optometry. He can only practise minor areas of ophthalmology, except he's a consultant ophthalmologist. Optometry is within ophthalmology, a branch of medicine.

Period007:

You are not yet advanced,go back and read what clinical pharmacIst do in USA then we talk.

mannyiyke:
I like evidence. Post it here. You cannot even manufacture drugs which is your primary responsibility, yet you want to copy the US that has perfected drug production. Almost all the drugs in Nigeria are imported. Why can't you Nigerian pharmacists take up your primary role of drug production, so that the huge resources we waste in importing drugs can be mitigated? That shows you Nigerian pharmacists are jacks of all trades and masters of none. You have not mastered the science and art of drug production, yet you have rushed to copy again "clinical pharmacy". Clinical pharmacy still has its earlier meaning we all knew before. It's simply the role of pharmacists working in the hospital, and that role is to review drug prescriptions. Nigerians copy a lot even when they have not properly studied how it's done in a White man's country.

kinglato:

You are frustrated. Don't worry you can go and rewrite jamb to study pharmacy.
People like you are suffering from poor job satisfaction. They have brain wash you telling you that you have everything by studying MBBS and you are now regretting. But brother it's not too late.
Please stop responding to this novice. Let the poor MBBS rest in peace.
You haven't seen anything yet o, wait for the next 10yrs, you will know how irrelevant your profession have become.

kinglato:

This will be my last reply to you stone.
You statement portrait your insensitive to life outside Nigeria (a geriatric, orthopaedic, ambulatory, psychiatric pharmacist only prescribe OTC ko?) . You are still a student which I don't know if you will even finish the med school self, talkless of entering pharmacy school.
In fact finish one first and come back to reply me
But I pray it's not late for you then.
poor stone should receive sense.

mannyiyke:
I like evidence. Post it here. You cannot even manufacture drugs which is your primary responsibility, yet you want to copy the US that has perfected drug production. Almost all the drugs in Nigeria are imported. Why can't you Nigerian pharmacists take up your primary role of drug production, so that the huge resources we waste in importing drugs can be mitigated? That shows you Nigerian pharmacists are jacks of all trades and masters of none. You have not mastered the science and art of drug production, yet you have rushed to copy again "clinical pharmacy". Clinical pharmacy still has its earlier meaning we all knew before. It's simply the role of pharmacists working in the hospital, and that role is to review drug prescriptions. Nigerians copy a lot even when they have not properly studied how it's done in a White man's country.

mannyiyke:
You don't know what you're saying. Every drug prescription passes through a pharmacist. So, it's not a pharmacist's job to do ward round. Ward round is not solely based on drugs. So, pharmacists know nothing about it. Any drug prescribed must finally go to the pharmacy, and a pharmacist will then have time to check it. Do they want to do ward round so that they can revisit surgeries done or re-treat the diseases doctors are managing? What then is the essence of their ward round?


Let me ask you: what are those drug combination regimens doctors administered at UBTH that caused severe drug reactions you talked about? Where's your link to the information? What's one of the most important drugs needed to stop diarrhea that was made ineffective because of the drug combination, as you alleged? So it's now a doctor's fault if a patient dies of diarrhea and vomiting? Or is it today that doctors started managing diarrhea that they don't know drugs that will interfere with the other? Do you know the real cause of their diarrhea and whether they presented early? Who told you that it was doctors' fault? Were you there when those patients were being treated or when they died? How many of them died? Where's your source? As a pharmacist that wants to be doing ward round, tell me how diarrhea and vomiting can be managed? Give us your evidence here. If you can't substantiate it, just know that you're a liar.

mannyiyke:
I like evidence. Post it here. You cannot even manufacture drugs which is your primary responsibility, yet you want to copy the US that has perfected drug production. Almost all the drugs in Nigeria are imported. Why can't you Nigerian pharmacists take up your primary role of drug production, so that the huge resources we waste in importing drugs can be mitigated? That shows you Nigerian pharmacists are jacks of all trades and masters of none. You have not mastered the science and art of drug production, yet you have rushed to copy again "clinical pharmacy". Clinical pharmacy still has its earlier meaning we all knew before. It's simply the role of pharmacists working in the hospital, and that role is to review drug prescriptions. Nigerians copy a lot even when they have not properly studied how it's done in a White man's country.

Murketeer:

I definitely won't argue with ya...Rest well

mannyiyke:
It's still what I said that the pharmacist re-echoed here. His job as a clinical pharmacist is to review drug prescriptions. Reviewing drug prescriptions also includes making recommendations. No doctor in Nigeria has ever insulted pharmacists for making drug recommendations. He didn't state here that he does ward rounds with doctors. Rather, he makes recommendations when drug prescriptions get to him and that they work as a team.


The immediate past CMD of University of Ibadan Teaching Hospital once said that he prescribed a higher than normal dose of a particular antibiotic for a patient diagnosed of osteomyelitis, and the pharmacist called his attention to it. He gently told him that the infection was spreading fast, and he needed to contain it. The pharmacist agreed with him because of the reason he gave him. Was that not a drug recommendation? Did the doctor look down on him?

The issue in Nigeria is that pharmacists want to take up the job of doctors. It's their attitude that led to how they're being judged by doctors.

Period007:

Have u heard of mzor and DGF,Juhel.
What do they manufacture......foods?

mannyiyke:
the main pharmacists doing the drug production there are foreign pharmacists, not Nigerians. That's why I told you to go there and see for yourself.