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usermane:
WTH. Nazis didn't commit the Namibian genocide. The Nazis had black soldiers, did not enforce segregation like the US.

Where did I say anything about Nazis?

I was speaking about colonialism, which is the context of the Namibian genocide that was referenced in the post I responded to. Wasn't that obvious?

Anyway, read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

koonbey:
Where did I say anything about Nazis?

You were approving the comment on Nazis

usermane:
You don't understand my post. I never said the Nazis didn't discriminate against blacks. The discrimination, relative to US, was less. For instance, Jesse Owens reported good relations with the Germans during the Olympics, better than he received on return to the US.

You keep running in circles with conflicting ideas. On one side Blacks are being decriminated against because 'THEY ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING' to the extent that you say "BLACKS DO NOT HAVE A CIVILIZATION".

Okay, there it is before your very eyes with your own example of Jesse Owen. What could have been the reason for the discriminatory treatment of him and the remaining 17 Black athletes who participated at the Berlin Olympics by the U.S.A Government led by Roosevelt?

He hosted all the white athletes to a befitting welcome party at the Whitehouse exempting all the Blacks even the 'GOOD FOR NOTHING' Jesse Owen who won Gold medals for the United States of America. Bear in mind, Jesse Owen wasn't the only Black who won medals for the United states of America.

usermane:
You don't understand my post. I was looking at it from the perspective of Panafrcan who assumed the Allied powers, were the real racist, rather than Germany.

Bro. They were all racist. Personally though, I don't see racism as a bad thing. But, Germany was no less racist than their European counterparts. Unless you'll want to explain your post better.

koonbey:
Where did I say anything about Nazis?

I was speaking about colonialism, which is the context of the Namibian genocide that was referenced in the post I responded to. Wasn't that obvious?

Anyway, read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

The Germans I address in my post were the ones during nazi regime. They were the ones that fought the Allied powers. They had nothing to do with Namibian Genocide

usermane:
No. I disagree. It is only barbaric by today's standard. Go read about wars and empires in human history. The native Americans would've done the same if they were in the place of Europeans.

Yet you disagree with today's standard of calling such actions as barbaric but you agree to Blacks as not having a civilization by today's standard (your today's standard). You see how you keep swinging like a pendulum.

olyrayy:
Bro. They were all racist. Personally though, I don't see racism as a bad thing. But, Germany was no less racist than their European counterparts. Unless you'll want to explain your post better.

I already explained in my other responses in this thread. There was no racial segregation in Nazi Germany.

usermane:
I already explained in my other responses in this thread. There was no racial segregation in Nazi Germany.

It is like saying because Blacks fought along side whites during the civil war North vs South in the U.S.A hence there was no segregation in America.

Even when Adolf Hitler's, the Nazist impression of a Black man is a very clear one of racial Prejudice.

JUICYPINEAPPLE:
Yet you disagree with today's standard of calling such actions as barbaric but you agree to Blacks as not having a civilization by today's standard (your today's standard). You see how you keep swinging like a pendulum.

Even by the standard of the middle ages, blacks didn't have a civilization. So, you're the one confused here.

Where are the records of black advances in science and tech? Where are black Aristotle and Socrates?

usermane:
The Germans I address in my post were the ones during nazi regime. They were the ones that fought the Allied powers. They had nothing to do with Namibian Genocide

Okay. Your logic is that Africans today can justifiably be mistreated because they their civilizations from centuries ago are not up to scratch in your eyes.... But Germans in 1944 were angels despite what they(some of them will certainly have been présent during the genocides) did 40 years earlier, in 1904.

Brilliant.

JUICYPINEAPPLE:
It is like saying because Blacks fought along side whites during the civil war North vs South in the U.S.A hence there was no segregation in America.

There was no segregation before the civil war. Your analogy is off.

Even when Adolf Hitler's, the Nazist impression of a Black man is a very clear one of racial Prejudice.

Jesse Owen reported Hitler saluted or waved him and he was not forced to the back of the bus. Still better than Roosevelt and America.

usermane:
Even by the standard of the middle ages, blacks didn't have a civilization. So, you're the one confused here.

Where are the records of black advances in science and tech? Where are black Aristotle and Socrates?

This question sounds like it's supposed to be a "gotcha", but it's just sophistry.

It's only an intelligent argument if you discount the fsct that African history was systematically dismantled, looted and abolished from common discourse and memory, to make way for Euro-centric perspectives which of course, were designed to support the notion that white people were superior.

koonbey:
Okay. Your logic is that Africans today can justifiably be mistreated because they their civilizations from centuries ago are not up to scratch in your eyes.... But Germans in 1944 were angels despite what they(some of them will certainly have been présent during the genocides) did 40 years earlier, in 1904.

Brilliant.

I never said German during Nazism were angels, I said that were less discriminatory than say US.

usermane:
I already explained in my other responses in this thread. There was no racial segregation in Nazi Germany.

Dude. Lol. You're very funny. There was no racial segregation in Nazi germany because at that point they didn't colonies and didn't interact with black people. However, when Germany had colonies, they had racial bias against their African inhabitants.

And, you're saying there was no "racial segregation" in Nazi Germany... Dude, what about the segregation of the Jews Unless you mean to say that there was no racism against black people.

Also, I've read Mein Kampf and I can tell you that Hitler had a low opinion of non-white people.

usermane:
There was no segregation before the civil war. Your analogy is off.



Jesse Owen reported Hitler saluted or waved him and he was not forced to the back of the bus. Still better than Roosevelt and America.

The context of Jesse Owen's claim was to shame his own country who even cared less. Not that he was in anyway treated with honour by Hitler as he treated white athletes.

, “Hitler didn’t snub me—it was [Roosevelt] who snubbed me. The president didn’t even send me a telegram.”

koonbey:
This question sounds like it's supposed to be a "gotcha", but it's just sophistry.

It's only an intelligent argument if you discount the fsct that African history was systematically dismantled, looted and abolished from common discourse and memory, to make way for Euro-centric perspectives which of course, were designed to support the notion that white people were superior.

Every tribal community lost aspects of their civilizations to natural disasters or conquerors.

usermane:
I never said German during Nazism were angels, I said that were less discriminatory than say US.

My response remains the same - "same difference".

They might have been less racist, but that's irrelevant to the principled position that they were racist and considered black people and anyone who was not of "pure Aryan stock" to be subhuman and deserving of being exterminated.

It's a matter of commonsense, really. The Nuremberg laws which facilitated the mass murder and incarceration in concentration camps of "undesirables" were, in 1935, extended to cover black people. The specific text is "Gypsies, Negroes, and their bastards". Based on that, black people were incarcerated, murdered and forcibly sterilized by Nazis. The only reason why the number is relatively small is simply because there were much fewer of them in Germany than Jews, Slavs, Romanis or the test. Again, common sense.

The argument that Nazi Germans were less racist is frankly absurd. But assuming it were the case, it's an issue of gradient which doesn't really impact the colour of the fact.

usermane:
Even by the standard of the middle ages, blacks didn't have a civilization. So, you're the one confused here.

Where are the records of black advances in science and tech? Where are black Aristotle and Socrates?

Science and Tech as defined by Aristotle and Socrates?

My dear brother, Aristotle and Socrates
as philosophers are out crop of 'INDIVIDUALISM' in the ideology called HUMANISM.

The celebration of an individual's thoughts wasn't the way by Africans. Africans are blessed with rich philosophical proverbs never accorded to an individual to be celebrated like a God.

usermane:
You don't understand my post. I never said the Nazis didn't discriminate against blacks. The discrimination, relative to US, was less. For instance, Jesse Owens reported good relations with the Germans during the Olympics, better than he received on return to the US.

I'm sure the 'Rhineland Bastards' if only they had been interviewed will tell a completely different story