mannyiyke:
DM it to my inbox. You're not a pharmacist. You're a pharmacy student. So, you don't work in any pharmaceutical company.

She graduated from UNIBEN..I know her very well.

MrEgghead:
She graduated from UNIBEN..I know her very well.

I am not Lauretta

MrEgghead:
She graduated from UNIBEN..I know her very well.

Ok.

Period007:

Show us any proof that you a doctor and not still a JAMBite as u claimed

Audio Doctor with 218 jamb score

I never told you that I'm a medical doctor yet. I'm a medical student in my clinical years. It's needless lying. I never said that. So, calling me an audio doctor is unwarranted. I claim it shaa, but not an audio one . Please go through my comments again, and you'll discover that I didn't say so. There's no benefit I'll gain from claiming what I'm not. I wasn't brought up to be fake. Besides, the aggregate of that score is 245 (UTME =218; post-utme =272). Not so many candidates who chose ANSU for medicine that year, got that score. There was a massive failure that year. I didn't even use it later. I used my first degree later. So, this is my second missionary journey (second first degree) . I might not be good, but I cannot say what I am not.

Admission depends on how many candidates scored higher each year. Somebody I know got medicine with a 245 score in a federal university in 2005. He's not even from an educationally disadvantaged state. We told him that he was extremely lucky. So, there are a lot of factors being considered when it comes to admission.

mannyiyke:
I never told you that I'm a medical doctor yet. I'm a medical student in my clinical years. It's needless lying. I never said that. So, calling me an audio doctor is unwarranted. I claim it shaa, but not an audio one . Please go through my comments again, and you'll discover that I didn't say so. There's no benefit I'll gain from claiming what I'm not. I wasn't brought up to be fake. Besides, the aggregate of that score is 245 (UTME =218; post-utme =272). Not so many candidates who chose ANSU for medicine that year, got that score. There was a massive failure that year. I didn't even use it later. I used my first degree later. So, this is my second missionary journey (second first degree) . I might not be good, but I cannot say what I am not.

Admission depends on how many candidates scored higher each year. Somebody I know got medicine with a 245 score in a federal university in 2005. He's not even from an educationally disadvantaged state. We told him that he was extremely lucky. So, there are a lot of factors being considered when it comes to admission.

Why calling Pharmacy students illiterates who couldn't make ur JAMB cutoff(218)...... i bet u,with this your score u cant even get crop science in my school.

Until u graduate(if you can) and enter the real medical world,don't come and type rubbish here from the figments of ur imagination

Period007:

Why calling Pharmacy students illiterates who couldn't make ur JAMB cutoff(218)...... i bet u,with this your score u cant even get crop science in my school.

Until u graduate(if you can) and enter the real medical world,don't come and type rubbish here from the figments of ur imagination

And who told you that 218 was the aggregate? Stop confusing yourself. The aggregate was 245, and I know someone who got into pharmacy with an aggregate of 240 then. So, stop saying what you don't know. Stop quoting 218 as if it's the aggregate. Somebody got 190 in UTME and got 320 in post-utme. He's a medical student today. It's the aggregate that matters. Even an aggregate of 190 can get crop science in Uniben. Uniben doesn't calculate an aggregate based on UTME alone. So, stop basing admission on UTME alone. Besides, some students of pharmacy wanted medicine, but they didn't do well in UTME. So, it's not a lie. Instead of persevering to get a better score next time, they threw in the towel. When they graduated, some of them chose to study medicine again, while some became Johesuites.

I didn't type rubbish. I'm already a clinical student, and I'll graduate in no distant time. There's nothing like if I can. That's not my portion. Besides, I did my youth service in a pharmacy. So, I got most of my information from there. I had a lot of business encounters with medical sales reps then. So, I know what I'm saying about pharmacy. Those sales reps can only make it if they work hard, just like bank marketers. And there's no multinational pharmaceutical company that pays such huge amounts of money you reeled out. It's only in the oil and ICT sectors that such an amount of money is paid. Also, the guy you quoted stated that he has a private business, and at the same time working as a sales reps for 3 pharmaceutical companies. That shows he had put in a lot of years and hustle into the business.

Most pharmacists aren't good business men and women. From the experience I garnered when I did my youth service in a pharmacy, most of the pharmaceutical shops in Maiduguri then were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. I've made a similar observation elsewhere too. And those pharmacists I know are eager to be employed in government hospitals. So, your comments here are not a reflection of the real life situations I've seen.

Moreover, pharmacy education in Nigeria isn't that practical. The hands-on experience is only got through those pharmaceutical production companies. It's the fault of the government. It's a systemic failure that cuts across every course in Nigerian public universities. So, government's neglect led to that, especially pharmacy that is supposed to be mainly practical. Therefore, most pharmacy graduates in Nigeria are not equipped practically after graduation. In fact, medical sales reps jobs are a sort of denigration for pharmacists. It's supposed to be a marketers' job. I don't blame them sha, because if they can't get the real job probably due to lack of competence, they should make do with sales reps. They get to make a lot of money from it based on hardwork. However, non-pharmacists are also medical sales reps. So, we have to tell ourselves the truth, instead of hyping pharmacy in Nigeria.

mannyiyke:
And who told you that 218 was the aggregate? Stop confusing yourself. The aggregate was 245, and I know someone who got into pharmacy with an aggregate of 240 then. So, stop saying what you don't know. Stop quoting 218 as if it's the aggregate. Somebody got 190 in UTME and got 320 in post-utme. He's a medical student today. It's the aggregate that matters. Even an aggregate of 190 can get crop science in Uniben. Uniben doesn't calculate an aggregate based on UTME alone. So, stop basing admission on UTME alone. Besides, some students of pharmacy wanted medicine, but they didn't do well in UTME. So, it's not a lie. Instead of persevering to get a better score next time, they threw in the towel. When they graduated, some of them chose to study medicine again, while some became Johesuites.

I didn't type rubbish. I'm already a clinical student, and I'll graduate in no distant time. There's nothing like if I can. That's not my portion. Besides, I did my youth service in a pharmacy. So, I got most of my information from there. I had a lot of business encounters with medical sales reps then. So, I know what I'm saying about pharmacy. Those sales reps can only make it if they work hard, just like bank marketers. And there's no multinational pharmaceutical company that pays such huge amounts of money you reeled out. It's only in the oil and ICT sectors that such an amount of money is paid. Also, the guy you quoted stated that he has a private business, and at the same time working as a sales reps for 3 pharmaceutical companies. That shows he had put in a lot of years and hustle into the business.

Most pharmacists aren't good business men and women. From the experience I garnered when I did my youth service in a pharmacy, most of the pharmaceutical shops in Maiduguri then were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. I've made a similar observation elsewhere too. And those pharmacists I know are eager to be employed in government hospitals. So, your comments here are not a reflection of the real life situations I've seen.

Moreover, pharmacy education in Nigeria isn't that practical. The hands-on experience is only got through those pharmaceutical production companies. It's the fault of the government. It's a systemic failure that cuts across every course in Nigerian public universities. So, government's neglect led to that, especially pharmacy that is supposed to be mainly practical. Therefore, most pharmacy graduates in Nigeria are not equipped practically after graduation. In fact, medical sales reps jobs are a sort of denigration for pharmacists. It's supposed to be a marketers' job. I don't blame them sha, because if they can't get the real job probably due to lack of competence, they should make do with sales reps. They get to make a lot of money from it based on hardwork. However, non-pharmacists are also medical sales reps. So, we have to tell ourselves the truth, instead of hy orping pharmacy in Nigeria.

On a Very sincere Note, i agree with you.

mannyiyke:
Where have you seen pharmacy students do more pathology than medical students? Medical doctors are the real pathologists. If pharmacy students do more pathology, when will you study all those audio courses you enumerated?

That's why it's a 6 year course.
and you think medicine don't have many disciplines also, why can't you say how would a medicine student have time to do pathology anatomy and the rest, and come out to claim he knows it better than everyone

mannyiyke:
medical laboratory science students do pathology more? You're funny! They just do the periphery.

And medicine student does it all isn't it, including anatomy, physiology, pharmacology,, biochemistry, laboratories sciences etc. they did it all to the fullest more than even those in the the fields. mtchew

mannyiyke:
Pharmacology is not a borrowed course for medical students. Besides, it's not done for a year. It's much more than that. Also, pharmacy students don't do pharmacology throughout the six years. Doctors are better pharmacologists than pharmacists. During presentations, pharmacists who claimed to have studied pharmacology for years couldn't even defend themselves very well. Despite the Pharm.D, Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce drugs. They like titles.

Funny, medical doctors know more pharmacology than a pharmacist, chai. because, they borrowed the course for just a year, not that it was the only course they did throughout, they did pathology that say year also ooo. and claim they know more than a pharmacist. if a student that can't defend himself, it's his personal problem, we've seen many doctors misbehaving, and practicing like illiterates, some search Google to know the drugs to prescribe, some make false diagnoses and prescibe wrong drugs, and many many many more, it's not a new thing. you said despite pharm.D, Nigerian pharmacist can't produce a drug, now I know you are an illiterate. I'm sorry, I can't argue with someone like you, you need to go back to school

mannyiyke:
Stop lying. How many pharmacists are richer than medical doctors? Besides, an optometrist isn't trained to do an eye surgery. He or she cannot do it. A nurse cannot do surgery too. Is it those pharmacists that roam the streets looking for jobs that you said that they're richer than doctors?

Seems you know nothing about the health sector. You don't know how many Doctors fight for residency, most of them end up in a different sector or private hospitals. Even a doctor can't be saying what you just said

mannyiyke:
You're funny. There are dentists who are consultant "ORAL and MAXILLOFACIAL" pathologists or simply oral pathologists, while a medical doctor colleague is a general pathologist. The difference is just the regions of the body they work on. Both of them passed through the same National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria or West African Medical College and were licensed as consultant pathologists. The general dentist is just the one who didn't specialize. There's even a specialty called general dentistry run as a residency now in the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria for those ones who wouldn't want to go deeper in their career. Oral cancer, jaw cancer, ameloblastoma (big benign tumor in the face and/or jaw) and other pathologies in the mouth, jaw and face are being diagnosed by oral pathologists, not general pathologists.

when you are talking , talk about what dentist are know for, most dentist don't end up being a pathologist especially in Nigeria. Google it yourself. a general pathologist covers all be it, dental surgery department, paediatric, ophthalmology, O and G. Don't deceive us with what is written on paper that rearly happens, we are talking about what really happens

mannyiyke:
They can all be called doctors, but in the hospital, only medical doctors and dentists are ethically permitted to bear it or answer to the title when he or she is called a doctor in the hospital. Outside of the hospital, others can answer to it when they're called doctors.

Forget about anything dent, they are called dentists, only medical doctor that studied medicine were called Doctors right from the start till now, now that new doctors are joining m, like dentist, pharmacist, ophthalmologist they can also be call doctors, in few years time it would be a normal thing, everyone will know that all doctors are not medical doctors, some are dental doctors, pharmacist doctors etc.

Snowale:
Forget about anything dent, they are called dentists, only medical doctor that studied medicine were called Doctors right from the start till now, now that new doctors are joining m, like dentist, pharmacist, ophthalmologist they can also be call doctors, in few years time it would be a normal thing, everyone will know that all doctors are not medical doctors, some are dental doctors, pharmacist doctors etc.

Guy stop embarrassing yourself and your cohorts with these rubbish you're typing...Which one is pharmacy doctor?Na to answer doctor dey hungry you like?I tire for you guy...
you can still hustle forMedicine to save you from you inferiority complex.
I have pharmacy students as friends and I'm sure they don't think like you.

MrEgghead:
Guy stop embarrassing yourself and your cohorts with these rubbish you're typing...Which one is pharmacy doctor?Na to answer doctor dey hungry you like?I tire for you guy...
you can still hustle forMedicine to save you from you inferiority complex.
I have pharmacy students as friends and I'm sure they don't think like you.

That's you problem bro. You can go and worship your medical doctors.

Snowale:
Forget about anything dent, they are called dentists, only medical doctor that studied medicine were called Doctors right from the start till now, now that new doctors are joining m, like dentist, pharmacist, ophthalmologist they can also be call doctors, in few years time it would be a normal thing, everyone will know that all doctors are not medical doctors, some are dental doctors, pharmacist doctors etc.

You don't know what you said about dentistry. They're called doctors everywhere, except in the UK where dentists and surgeons are called MR., because both of them are involved in surgery, and used the title "mister" in the past. This was because surgery was not formal before. Dentistry is even regarded as the oldest branch of medicine, and its first degree program differs slightly from medicine. I was in dentistry before I changed to medicine. So, I know this very well. I can explain more about dentistry because I know much about it.

Maxillofacial surgery, which is a branch of dentistry, surgically operates on the face, jaw and the mouth. Dr Gary Parker, the chief medical officer of Mercy Ship Hospital, is a dentist who specialized in maxillofacial surgery. So, dentists are doctors from time immemorial.

Moreover, ophthalmologists are medical doctors who specialized in ophthalmology. Maybe, you meant optometry. Everywhere in the world, it's only medical doctors and dentists that are granted privilege to bear doctor in the hospitals, and to admit, diagnose, treat and discharge patients. The only exception is in the UK where dentists and surgeons are called MR. (Mister) because of their history.

Snowale:
when you are talking , talk about what dentist are know for, most dentist don't end up being a pathologist especially in Nigeria. Google it yourself. a general pathologist covers all be it, dental surgery department, paediatric, ophthalmology, O and G. Don't deceive us with what is written on paper that rearly happens, we are talking about what really happens

Stop being ignorant about dentistry. Google it and stop embarrassing yourself. The former Chief Medical Director ((CMD) of Lagos University Teaching Hospital (LUTH), Prof. Onatolu Odukoya, is a consultant oral pathologist. In fact, he was sponsored by University of Lagos to go to the US and do his residency in oral pathology. He's a dentist. In fact, he was the first dentist to be appointed as the CMD of Lagos University Teaching Hospital (LUTH), and the first CMD to stay for 8 years. There are so many oral pathologists in Nigeria.

A certain woman had a jaw pain in Lagos. She was referred by a dentist to LUTH dental department. It was an oral pathologist who diagnosed that it was jaw cancer. Due to lack of technology, she was sent to India, where the oral pathologist there did another test and confirmed that it was jaw cancer. All the oral cancers in Nigeria such as oral squamous carcinoma, etc are being diagnosed by oral pathologists, not general pathologists. General pathologists are not conversant with the oral and maxillofacial structures. Go to teaching hospitals and see it yourself. I was in dentistry before I changed to medicine. Even Prof. Chukwuneke, an oral and maxillofacial surgeon had revisited surgery done by plastic surgeons on the maxillofacial area before. He's currently the Dean of Dentistry, UNN. I talk with facts.

. Google oral pathologists in Nigeria, oral and maxillofacial surgery, Prof. S.M. Balaji, Dr. Gary Parker, Prof. Chukwuneke, Prof. Onatolu Odukoya, Prof. Wasiu Lanre Adeyeemo, etc, and tell me what you saw. Don't be deluded. Dentistry and medicine share the same path. Even the immediate past president of National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria is a dentist who specialized in maxillofacial surgery.

Snowale:
Forget about anything dent, they are called dentists, only medical doctor that studied medicine were called Doctors right from the start till now, now that new doctors are joining m, like dentist, pharmacist, ophthalmologist they can also be call doctors, in few years time it would be a normal thing, everyone will know that all doctors are not medical doctors, some are dental doctors, pharmacist doctors etc.

These dentists (Dr C.A. Iyogun; Dr O.G. Omitola and the late Prof. Emmanuel Oladepo Adekeye) hold/held fellowships of International College of Surgeons (FICS) as surgeons also hold. It's not honorary. Late Prof. Adekeye was the maxillofacial surgeon who operated on the infant with cleft lip and palate in Kaduna after he was surgically treated in London, but the London surgery was not successful. Type his name and the news will pop out. Dr Francis Adu-Ababio (a public health dentist who did his residency in dental public health in London) was the President of Ghana Medical Association in 2007. I didn't say Ghana Dental Association. Prof. Ademola Abayomi Olaitan (a consultant maxillofacial surgeon) was the immediate past President of National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria.

We all know that the title Fellowship of International College of Surgeons (FICS) is an internationally recognized fellowship that's awarded by a foreign body. So, if a dentist can hold it, it then means that he's qualified to be called a doctor. Also, the UK awards FDSRCS (fellowship in Dental Surgery of the Royal College of Surgeons) or FDSRCPS (Fellowship in Dental Surgery of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons) to consultant dentists who have satisfactorily completed their residency. Even Dr Francis Adu-Ababio and the late Prof. Emmanuel Oladepo Adekeye holds/held it.

The West African College of Surgeons awards fellowship of the West African College of Surgeons (FWACS) to both surgeons and dentists who have completed their residency and are qualified to be called consultants. Both medical doctors and dentists who are consultants belong to the MDCAN (Medical and Dental Consultants of Nigeria). So, they're the main people licensed to be called doctors in the hospital setting. You can google it.

Snowale:
when you are talking , talk about what dentist are know for, most dentist don't end up being a pathologist especially in Nigeria. Google it yourself. a general pathologist covers all be it, dental surgery department, paediatric, ophthalmology, O and G. Don't deceive us with what is written on paper that rearly happens, we are talking about what really happens

You asked me to google it, and these are the Nigerian oral pathologists I saw. They're numerous. I just picked these ones as an example. They are as follows: Dr C.A. Iyogun; Dr O.G. Omitola (both of them lecture oral pathology at the Faculty of Dentistry of University of Port Harcourt, and are also honorary oral pathology consultants at the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital in the department of Oral Pathology. This is the link: https://upthng.com/oral-pathology-biology/ . Others are: Dr A.M. Adesina,, Dr Mike Nwoga (UNN and UNTH, Enugu); Dr Afolabi S. Salami (University of Medical Science - UNIMED, Ondo State); Dr T.J. Lasisi (Faculty of Dentistry, UI and Department of Oral Pathology, University of Ibadan (UI) Teaching Hospital); Dr A.O. Lawal; Prof. Onatolu Odukoya of the University of Lagos Dental School and Department of Oral Pathology, LUTH. You can google for more.

mannyiyke:
These dentists (Dr C.A. Iyogun; Dr O.G. Omitola and the late Prof. Emmanuel Oladepo Adekeye) hold/held fellowships of International College of Surgeons (FICS) as surgeons also hold. It's not honorary. Late Prof. Adekeye was the maxillofacial surgeon who operated on the infant with cleft lip and palate in Kaduna after he was surgically treated in London, but the London surgery was not successful. Type his name and the news will pop out. Dr Francis Adu-Ababio (a public health dentist who did his residency in dental public health in London) was the President of Ghana Medical Association in 2007. I didn't say Ghana Dental Association. Prof. Ademola Abayomi Olaitan (a consultant maxillofacial surgeon) was the immediate past President of National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria.

We all know that the title Fellowship of International College of Surgeons (FICS) is an internationally recognized fellowship that's awarded by a foreign body. So, if a dentist can hold it, it then means that he's qualified to be called a doctor. Also, the UK awards FDSRCS (fellowship in Dental Surgery of the Royal College of Surgeons) or FDSRCPS (Fellowship in Dental Surgery of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons) to consultant dentists who have satisfactorily completed their residency. Even Dr Francis Adu-Ababio and the late Prof. Emmanuel Oladepo Adekeye holds/held it.

The West African College of Surgeons awards fellowship of the West African College of Surgeons (FWACS) to both surgeons and dentists who have completed their residency and are qualified to be called consultants. Both medical doctors and dentists who are consultants belong to the MDCAN (Medical and Dental Consultants of Nigeria). So, they're the main people licensed to be called doctors in the hospital setting. You can google it.

You are just trying so hard to make dentistry look as important as medicine. Even though you know how they treats you. you are giving me details about how they allowed a dentist to lead the association in 2007, that you claim belongs to you both. Giving me details about how some dentist were allowed to held fellowships of a college of surgeons, that you claim belongs to you both. Don't you know how you sound

You said I should Google what you don't know, bring the law that says only medical doctors or those under MDCN can be called Doctors. forget about dentistry, Because I was also like pharmacy in the past, it's just that they've been allowed to dine with the doctors, now they are her online making mouth, just because they were given the opportunity. if you read publications and you are current, you will find out that they are looking for ways to dump you guys, so it's will be only them.

Some even say, ophthalmologist would soon join you guys, just like abroad, and when they join willing you tell me they can't also be called Doctors.

Pharm.D is a new thing, and very soon, everyone would know that there are pharmacist doctors, just like dentist can can also be called Doctors.

mannyiyke:
You asked me to google it, and these are the Nigerian oral pathologists I saw. They're numerous. I just picked these ones as an example. They are as follows: Dr C.A. Iyogun; Dr O.G. Omitola (both of them lecture oral pathology at the Faculty of Dentistry of University of Port Harcourt, and are also honorary oral pathology consultants at the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital in the department of Oral Pathology. This is the link: https://upthng.com/oral-pathology-biology/ . Others are: Dr A.M. Adesina,, Dr Mike Nwoga (UNN and UNTH, Enugu); Dr Afolabi S. Salami (University of Medical Science - UNIMED, Ondo State); Dr T.J. Lasisi (Faculty of Dentistry, UI and Department of Oral Pathology, University of Ibadan (UI) Teaching Hospital); Dr A.O. Lawal; Prof. Onatolu Odukoya of the University of Lagos Dental School and Department of Oral Pathology, LUTH. You can google for more.

I never said there is none, I said you should tell me what is being done, not what's written on paper. As you can see, in the whole of upth, only 2 consultant oral pathology and resident doctor.

tell me how many dentistry department that has it's own private laboratory, almost all use the general laboratories. I think it's only UITH that its dentist department has it own private laboratory, even though most test are not done in this lab, samples are usually taken to the general laboratories, and on the long run, to a general pathologist, who studied medicine.

The fact is that they are, but few, and in many teaching, private, general hospitals, and FMCs General pathologists mostly does their job. Get my point please

mannyiyke:
Stop being ignorant about dentistry. Google it and stop embarrassing yourself. The former Chief Medical Director ((CMD) of Lagos University Teaching Hospital (LUTH), Prof. Onatolu Odukoya, is a consultant oral pathologist. In fact, he was sponsored by University of Lagos to go to the US and do his residency in oral pathology. He's a dentist. In fact, he was the first dentist to be appointed as the CMD of Lagos University Teaching Hospital (LUTH), and the first CMD to stay for 8 years. There are so many oral pathologists in Nigeria.

A certain woman had a jaw pain in Lagos. She was referred by a dentist to LUTH dental department. It was an oral pathologist who diagnosed that it was jaw cancer. Due to lack of technology, she was sent to India, where the oral pathologist there did another test and confirmed that it was jaw cancer. All the oral cancers in Nigeria such as oral squamous carcinoma, etc are being diagnosed by oral pathologists, not general pathologists. General pathologists are not conversant with the oral and maxillofacial structures. Go to teaching hospitals and see it yourself. I was in dentistry before I changed to medicine. Even Prof. Chukwuneke, an oral and maxillofacial surgeon had revisited surgery done by plastic surgeons on the maxillofacial area before. He's currently the Dean of Dentistry, UNN. I talk with facts.

. Google oral pathologists in Nigeria, oral and maxillofacial surgery, Prof. S.M. Balaji, Dr. Gary Parker, Prof. Chukwuneke, Prof. Onatolu Odukoya, Prof. Wasiu Lanre Adeyeemo, etc, and tell me what you saw. Don't be deluded. Dentistry and medicine share the same path. Even the immediate past president of National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria is a dentist who specialized in maxillofacial surgery.

it's either you didn't read my post or you lack comprehensive skills. I never said there is none, I said in many hospitals, especially in Nigeria, a general pathologist usually does all the work. Though, there might be private lab for dentistry department, but it's very rear, most tests are done in the general lab, and the general pathologists would be the one to look into it. this is something that have happened to someone very close to me.

you gave me an instant where a dental surgeon was allowed to do his job, he did a cleft lip surgery, then what. does it always have to be a medical doctor.

You also said a dentist was the former National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria, do you know how you sound, you just made it clear that dentists have been sidelined, you claim to be one, just for them to let you lead them once in a while.

You are trying so hard to prove that Dentistry and medicine are the same. a branch of medicine. dentist were like pharmacist in the past, they weren't referred to as doctors. when the were granted the right to be called Doctors, many, including medical doctors and students said they shouldn't be called doctors, but now, they've helped you guys. now you have mouth to claim doctor, and you can say others shouldn't be called Doctors. just because they were accepted into MDCN.

opthalmologist would soon be accepted into the group, let's see what you will say about them after that

Snowale:
Seems you know nothing about the health sector. You don't know how many Doctors fight for residency, most of them end up in a different sector or private hospitals. Even a doctor can't be saying what you just said

It's you that know nothing about the health sector. I did my youth service in a private pharmacy in Maiduguri. Over the years, I've observed pharmaceutical shops. What I saw was that most pharmaceutical shops were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. The pharmacists, according to my observation, are always seeking employment in government hospitals.

Moreover, it's not every doctor that wants to specialize. A medical doctor can set up a small clinic with only stethoscope and sphygmomanometer, and will be making it. Can a pharmacist set up a pharmaceutical shop easily after graduation? It's impossible. He or she needs a huge capital to do that. Even while working in his or her clinic, he or she will still be doing locum jobs in some hospitals. With just his MBBS or BDS (in case of dentists), he'll be employed as an assistant lecturer, unlike other professions that will do master's first or be employed as graduate assistants including pharmacists. That's why most pharmacists end up as sales reps, whereas medical sales reps jobs should be for people who studied marketing. The real job pharmacists are trained for is drug manufacturing, but 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot do it. That's why the government should overhaul pharmacy education in Nigeria, if she really wants to have competent pharmacists and reduce the influx of fake drugs to Nigeria.

Snowale:
Funny, medical doctors know more pharmacology than a pharmacist, chai. because, they borrowed the course for just a year, not that it was the only course they did throughout, they did pathology that say year also ooo. and claim they know more than a pharmacist. if a student that can't defend himself, it's his personal problem, we've seen many doctors misbehaving, and practicing like illiterates, some search Google to know the drugs to prescribe, some make false diagnoses and prescibe wrong drugs, and many many many more, it's not a new thing. you said despite pharm.D, Nigerian pharmacist can't produce a drug, now I know you are an illiterate. I'm sorry, I can't argue with someone like you, you need to go back to school

On the contrary, you're the illiterate. 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce a drug. Pathology is not a year course. After pathology lectures, medical students will do ward rounds and put it into practice. They'll do postings. They continue to do that till graduation. Even pharmacology is not a one-year course. The medical students do postings too in pharmacology, and put it into practice throughout their clinical years and beyond. But a pharmacist doesn't have a patient contact to really put pharmacology into practice, yet you want to claim that it's your course and that you know more about it. You're funny.

Snowale:
And medicine student does it all isn't it, including anatomy, physiology, pharmacology,, biochemistry, laboratories sciences etc. they did it all to the fullest more than even those in the the fields. mtchew

I can tell you that all these courses belong to medical doctors. Medical biochemistry is a basic medical course, not general biochemistry. Nurses, medical laboratory scientists don't do full anatomy, physiology and biochemistry courses. Only medical doctors and dentists do that. Recently, physiotherapy started doing all of them in full. For instance, in UNN, medical laboratory science students don't do embryology and some other topics in physiology and biochemistry. Nursing students don't do everything too. As for anatomy and physiology students, they're just doing the same courses medical and dental students are doing, except in their 400 level.

mannyiyke:
I can tell you that all these courses belong to medical doctors. Medical biochemistry is a basic medical course, not general biochemistry. Nurses, medical laboratory scientists don't do full anatomy, physiology and biochemistry courses. Only medical doctors and dentists do that. Recently, physiotherapy started doing all of them in full. For instance, in UNN, medical laboratory science students don't do embryology and some other topics in physiology and biochemistry. Nursing students don't do everything too. As for anatomy and physiology students, they're just doing the same courses medical and dental students are doing, except in their 400 level.

Firstly, are you trying to say you did anatomy to the fullest, and you know Anatomy more than anatomy students. The same for physiology and biochemistry, you know those courses more than students in those departments. You guys think because you borrow a course from a department, and you did it in less than a year, you are more brilliant that those that studied only those courses. Can you imagine, you said medical doctor knows more pharmacology than pharmacist. Kai. They rush anatomy, physiology and biochemistry together in a year and half, just to come out and claim they are better than those that studied only the course. They studied periphery laboratory sciences, just to come out and say they are better than scientists. Some even say they are better in all, and they know more than those in the fields. Keep deceiving yourself.

Next time, you should say your school's nursing, radiography, pharmacy, physiotheraphy and MLS students don't do the full anatomy, med biochemistry and physiology. Many other schools does it. Though, I believe prembbs and first mbbs anatomy and physiology exams might be more and tougher than others, but most schools teach paramedics students almost all. Meanwhile, I did embryology, to the fullest.

Snowale:
it's either you didn't read my post or you lack comprehensive skills. I never said there is none, I said in many hospitals, especially in Nigeria, a general pathologist usually does all the work. Though, there might be private lab for dentistry department, but it's very rear, most tests are done in the general lab, and the general pathologists would be the one to look into it. this is something that have happened to someone very close to me.

you gave me an instant where a dental surgeon was allowed to do his job, he did a cleft lip surgery, then what. does it always have to be a medical doctor.

You also said a dentist was the former National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria, do you know how you sound, you just made it clear that dentists have been sidelined, you claim to be one, just for them to let you lead them once in a while.

You are trying so hard to prove that Dentistry and medicine are the same. a branch of medicine. dentist were like pharmacist in the past, they weren't referred to as doctors. when the were granted the right to be called Doctors, many, including medical doctors and students said they shouldn't be called doctors, but now, they've helped you guys. now you have mouth to claim doctor, and you can say others shouldn't be called Doctors. just because they were accepted into MDCN.

opthalmologist would soon be accepted into the group, let's see what you will say about them after that

Nobody relegated dentists. Some of those leaders in medicine in Nigeria are dentists. Stop misquoting me. For example, the Registrar, Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria presently, Dr T.A.B. Sanusi, is a dentist.

Virtually, all the teaching hospitals and Federal Medical Centres in Nigeria now have equipped Dental Centres. So, oral pathologists are not scarce in those hospitals. So, you're lying. Dentistry and medicine are siblings of the same parents. I wasn't trying hard to prove anything. That's the truth. After all, I'm a medical student now, but I was a dental student in UNN before I left to a state university to study medicine, so as to be close and run my business as well. But I knew a lot of big people in dentistry during my short stay there. So, dentistry and medicine share the same privileges. Even, both of them pass through the same Royal College of Surgeons in England to become consultants.

Who's talking of sidelining here, even when dentists have become Chairmen of Nigeria Medical Association, Chairmen of Medical Advisory Committee (CMAC) in teaching hospitals and heads of clinical services in Federal Medical Centres, as well as CMDs of teaching hospitals. That's not my point.

Prove your point by stating when dentists were not regarded as doctors in Nigeria before. Do you have a link to that? You lack knowledge of history. A dentist, the late Traditional Ruler of Calabar, Dr Elijah Henshaw, was among the early doctors in Nigeria who started Nigeria Medical Association as well as postgraduate medical education in Nigeria. He studied dentistry in London. So, he was a pioneer in Nigerian medical education. Medical and dental education in Nigeria were modeled after the British and American patterns. Go and search for that. You're lying.

To show that you wallow in ignorance, you're still calling an ophthalmologist a non-medical doctor. Opthalmology and optometry are not the same. Ophthalmology is a branch of medicine.


It's not a bad thing if Optometry is accepted into the Nigeria Medical Association. It's a good course. No course is useless. However, Optometry doesn't run a similar curriculum like Medicine and Dentistry. Medicine and Dentistry do same courses from first year to 4th year and have their faculties in the teaching hospitals. They divert in 500 level because dental students will join 600 level medical students to do medicine and surgery, which are final year courses for medical students, but it's 500 level courses for dental students. Optometry doesn't offer these courses. In fact, all the postings in medicine in 400 and 500 levels, (except paediatrics, community medicine and O and G postings) are undertaken by dental students too. That's why they're related. In some countries, students graduate first in medicine before doing dentistry in residency with a specific interest in subspecialties of dentistry.

mannyiyke:
On the contrary, you're the illiterate. 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot produce a drug. Pathology is not a year course. After pathology lectures, medical students will do ward rounds and put it into practice. They'll do postings. They continue to do that till graduation. Even pharmacology is not a one-year course. The medical students do postings too in pharmacology, and put it into practice throughout their clinical years and beyond. But a pharmacist doesn't have a patient contact to really put pharmacology into practice, yet you want to claim that it's your course and that you know more about it. You're funny.

Now I see how ignorant you are, you just said pharmacy students don't do clinical posting, what's this guy saying Seems you know nothing about pharmacy, you think they don't do posting, all they do in 6 years is to cram names of drugs, you think we don't do clerking. Please, do research, so you won't go and disgrace yourself and you department in public. You don't even know after all the numerous clerking and clinical posting, there is also internship. I'm trying so hard not to abuse you, seriously.

mannyiyke:
It's you that know nothing about the health sector. I did my youth service in a private pharmacy in Maiduguri. Over the years, I've observed pharmaceutical shops. What I saw was that most pharmaceutical shops were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. The pharmacists, according to my observation, are always seeking employment in government hospitals.

Moreover, it's not every doctor that wants to specialize. A medical doctor can set up a small clinic with only stethoscope and sphygmomanometer, and will be making it. Can a pharmacist set up a pharmaceutical shop easily after graduation? It's impossible. He or she needs a huge capital to do that. Even while working in his or her clinic, he or she will still be doing locum jobs in some hospitals. With just his MBBS or BDS (in case of dentists), he'll be employed as an assistant lecturer, unlike other professions that will do master's first or be employed as graduate assistants including pharmacists. That's why most pharmacists end up as sales reps, whereas medical sales reps jobs should be for people who studied marketing. The real job pharmacists are trained for is drug manufacturing, but 98 percent of Nigerian pharmacists cannot do it. That's why the government should overhaul pharmacy education in Nigeria, if she really wants to have competent pharmacists and reduce the influx of fake drugs to Nigeria.

seriously, you need enlightenment. You are comparing patent store with pharmaceutical industry, are you telling me all the over 115 pharmaceutical industries in Nigeria, with different branches all over the country are just there doing notheno, they don't produce drugs. How would any Nigerian say no pharmaceutical industry in Nigeria produces drugs, chai. What you say was pharm tech., Most graduates in pharmacist sees better opportunity, they can work in pharmaceutical industries, the can work in hospitals, they can work in various government agency, that's why you don't easily see them in shops selling drugs, because we have lots of opportunities. Only few end up doing it, and still they make it in life.

Hmmmmm, set up a small clinic with just stethoscope and sphygmomanoneter. LOL. I laugh in Yoruba. You expect people to pay you for checking their heart beat and checking their blood pressure, even bigger privates hospital do shut down, some sack all nurses and doctors, just to employ those that will accept smaller salaries. Even consultants in government hospitals that have more than just stethoscope, in nigeria, who pays anything like consultation fees, because he prescribed a drug or directed me for lab test, I will pay money. It's better you quickly go to market with you rope and rent a shop, and expect people to pay you. A pharmacy is far more easier to set up compare to an hospital. You can search it yourself.

MBBS and BDS are given assistant lecturers, and pharm.d also. This is a new lecturer I know, he has only his pharm.D. and even radiography department in my school, most of their lectures don't have PDGE or masters. Talk with fact and sense please.

Many pharmacist are in pharmaceutical industry. You don't even know pharmaceutical industries in Nigeria are more than 100. Most drugs are not imported, for God sake, why can't you just check your paracetamols. Why must you show the world how ignorant you are.

Pharmacist may start from sales rep, as the lowest and as the move on, they are promoted, till they get to the point where they collect millions monthly

Snowale:
I never said there is none, I said you should tell me what is being done, not what's written on paper. As you can see, in the whole of upth, only 2 consultant oral pathology and resident doctor.

tell me how many dentistry department that has it's own private laboratory, almost all use the general laboratories. I think it's only UITH that its dentist department has it own private laboratory, even though most test are not done in this lab, samples are usually taken to the general laboratories, and on the long run, to a general pathologist, who studied medicine.

The fact is that they are, but few, and in many teaching, private, general hospitals, and FMCs General pathologists mostly does their job. Get my point please

You never said what? You said it's on paper, not real. It depends on facilities on ground. Two resident doctors are there now. As more facilities are on ground, more consultants and resident doctors will be employed. The more facilities a hospital has, the more doctors will be employed. Lagos, Ibadan, UBTH and UNTH have more resident doctors and consultant oral pathologists in their oral pathology laboratories. Besides, it's not every medical school that has the same admission quota, based on facilities on ground.

That's an oral pathology laboratory; it's not a general pathology laboratory. Dental technicians don't work in a general pathology laboratory, but they're working in this laboratory.

Almost every teaching hospital now has its own oral pathology laboratory. UNTH Enugu has its own. Amaechi even built a state of the art dental hospital in Port Harcourt that has a well equipped oral pathology department. So, it's not only UITH and LUTH have oral pathology laboratories. Even UBTH has a very big and standard one too. Any teaching hospital or Federal Medical Centre doing residency in oral pathology has a well equipped oral pathology laboratory.

No general pathologist is deeply conversant with the oral and maxillofacial region. Their training is mainly concentrated on other parts of the body. General pathologists even subspecialize because the human body and diseases are vast.

General Medical laboratory is not the same as oral pathology laboratory or general pathology laboratory. Oral Pathology laboratory is an oral histopathology lab. So, you don't know the difference. Every dental clinic in most teaching hospitals and federal medical centres now have their own oral histopathology laboratories.

General medical laboratory is for all diseases. What oral and general pathologists diagnose and report are histopathology tests, not general tests. It's histopathology tests coupled with the radiographs, history and other clues that oral and general pathologists use to arrive at disease diagnosis such as cancer, etc.

mannyiyke:
Nobody relegated dentists. Some of those leaders in medicine in Nigeria are dentists. Stop misquoting me. For example, the Registrar, Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria presently, Dr T.A.B. Sanusi, is a dentist.

Virtually, all the teaching hospitals and Federal Medical Centres in Nigeria now have equipped Dental Centres. So, oral pathologists are not scarce in those hospitals. So, you're lying. Dentistry and medicine are siblings of the same parents. I wasn't trying hard to prove anything. That's the truth. After all, I'm a medical student now, but I was a dental student in UNN before I left to a state university to study medicine, so as to be close and run my business as well. But I knew a lot of big people in dentistry during my short stay there. So, dentistry and medicine share the same privileges. Even, both of them pass through the same Royal College of Surgeons in England to become consultants.

Who's talking of sidelining here, even when dentists have become Chairmen of Nigeria Medical Association, Chairmen of Medical Advisory Committee (CMAC) in teaching hospitals and heads of clinical services in Federal Medical Centres, as well as CMDs of teaching hospitals. That's not my point.

Prove your point by stating when dentists were not regarded as doctors in Nigeria before. Do you have a link to that? You lack knowledge of history. A dentist, the late Traditional Ruler of Calabar, Dr Elijah Henshaw, was among the early doctors in Nigeria who started Nigeria Medical Association as well as postgraduate medical education in Nigeria. He studied dentistry in London. So, he was a pioneer in Nigerian medical education. Medical and dental education in Nigeria were modeled after the British and American patterns. Go and search for that. You're lying.

To show that you wallow in ignorance, you're still calling an ophthalmologist a non-medical doctor. Opthalmology and optometry are not the same. Ophthalmology is a branch of medicine.


It's not a bad thing if Optometry is accepted into the Nigeria Medical Association. It's a good course. No course is useless. However, Optometry doesn't run a similar curriculum like Medicine and Dentistry. Medicine and Dentistry do same courses from first year to 4th year and have their faculties in the teaching hospitals. They divert in 500 level because dental students will join 600 level medical students to do medicine and surgery, which are final year courses for medical students, but it's 500 level courses for dental students. Optometry doesn't offer these courses. In fact, all the postings in medicine in 400 and 500 levels, (except paediatrics, community medicine and O and G postings) are undertaken by dental students too. That's why they're related. In some countries, students graduate first in medicine before doing dentistry in residency with a specific interest in subspecialties of dentistry.

You are not only lying, you are also ignorant. Check out NMA, since origination. Tell me just 2 or 3 president that is a dentist. And also MDCN, tell me 3 or 4 that is a dentist, the same for MDCAN. Better stop deceiving youself. This people are planipla to through you out. I read publications about it. You just name the very few, when we both know that some teaching hospital have never been lead by a dentist. All you do is to talk about the very few that got there through politics.

Even if all teaching hospitals have your department, general pathologist are mostly the one doing the work, only ui dentistry department has its own private lab, most others relies on general pathologists' reports. This is my personal experience.

Now that they joined you guys with then, you are now as superior as they are. Dentistry will always be a small branck of medicine weather you like it or not. And you are lucky they help you guys, now you can claim to be doctors like them, and pharmacist are not, just don't forget not all good things lasts.

When optometrist joins NMA and MDCN, you can carry you barner and protest that they are not doctors, they didn't do anatomy

mannyiyke:

You never said what? You said it's on paper, not real. It depends on facilities on ground. Two resident doctors are there now. As more facilities are on ground, more consultants and resident doctors will be employed. The more facilities a hospital has, the more doctors will be employed. Lagos, Ibadan, UBTH and UNTH have more resident doctors and consultant oral pathologists in their oral pathology laboratories. Besides, it's not every medical school that has the same admission quota, based on facilities on ground.

That's an oral pathology laboratory; it's not a general pathology laboratory. Dental technicians don't work in a general pathology laboratory, but they're working in this laboratory.

Almost every teaching hospital now has its own oral pathology laboratory. UNTH Enugu has its own. Amaechi even built a state of the art dental hospital in Port Harcourt that has a well equipped oral pathology department. So, it's not only UITH and LUTH have oral pathology laboratories. Even UBTH has a very big and standard one too. Any teaching hospital or Federal Medical Centre doing residency in oral pathology has a well equipped oral pathology laboratory.

No general pathologist is deeply conversant with the oral and maxillofacial region. Their training is mainly concentrated on other parts of the body. General pathologists even subspecialize because the human body and diseases are vast.

General Medical laboratory is not the same as oral pathology laboratory or general pathology laboratory. Oral Pathology laboratory is an oral histopathology lab. So, you don't know the difference. Every dental clinic in most teaching hospitals and federal medical centres now have their own oral histopathology laboratories.

General medical laboratory is for all diseases. What oral and general pathologists diagnose and report are histopathology tests, not general tests. It's histopathology tests coupled with the radiographs, history and other clues that oral and general pathologists use to arrive at disease diagnosis such as cancer, etc.

Like I said, it is not common. Most government and private hospitals use the general labs and don't have any oral pathology lab. Don't be surprised, some government hospitals has no dentistry department.
Even most of those that have the labs usually shuts it down. The whole unilag teaching hospital has just 4 oral pathologist, I'm not saying there is none. I'm saying you should tell me what really happens in most hospitals, they are few, and most of those pathologist studied abroad. I don't want to tell you about my personal experience because of security reasons.

There is general histopathology department in all teaching hospitals.