Slimpotter:


The casualties were on both sides, the Chinese just didn't state their figures.

They'll never let anyone know what's up... I won't be surprised if they did something like 1 Chinese soldier killed those 20 guys with his Chinese made rifle

SIRTee15:


U guys are just beating around the Bush...
Hong Kong people do not want to be part of China....
What's so difficult to understand....

China is setting a trap for itself with this Hong Kong issue.....
That tiny area may become their albatross if they are not careful....
I don't see why China can't wait till 2047 to assimilate Hong Kong lawfully.....
It's just 27 yrs away...I thought China play the long game. So why the hurry....
Now after Hong Kong...what's next...
Invade taiwan while the rest of the world applaud them?

China economy is not as solid and sound as it looks....
It's a shallow economy heavily dependent on export....
Their domestic economy is not well developed and the financial sector is not very sound....
They need to attain a GDP per capita around 25 thousand dollars for the domestic economy to be main drive of economy growth....now it's just 10 thousand dollars

If the rest of the world choose to decouple their manufacturing capability away from China.....china will really struggle....
Yet they are busy picking meaningless fights.....

China is not USA....they will be foolish to think they can project power in like manner....
China achieved its economic present status via promoting trade and investment....
That's why many countries see them as a better alternative to USA....
Xi Jinping will do well to desist from this aggressive but likely destructive part and seek advice from his predecessors.....
He may destroy the goodwill China once enjoyed.....

What is the ethnicity of majority of hongkongers?

engrchykae:
Hong Kong will just be used as Guinea pigs.
No one will help them.
They better stay with their brothers in China.
This is the result of the British coming to any country,they sow the seed of discord between brothers,why will a Chinese hate a Chinese because I know that a Hong Hong Kong person is a Chinese.
This is how they planted suspicion between the north and south of Nigeria

Don't mind them
Everyone has been blowing hot
Russia annexed part of Ukraine , heaven did not fall

Judybash93:


It's partially under their jurisdiction in the one state two systems thingy

Did you know the pact was supposed to end in 2047.
China is just bringing it forward

etrange:


Hian!!! Dude, are you serious?

Russia does not even in any way share land borders with the US. I live in Canada. I don't know the map you are referring to but this one here clearly shows that Alaska is on the Canadian side of the divide.

Hong Kong is not deep in mainland China, it only shares border with China. This can be seen on the map below. Jesu, dude, it's just amazing how boldly you are saying all the wrong things.

I take you're feeling sleepy. It should be late in Nigeria already.

Nawa o. Alaska between the US and Russia



Stop embarrassing yourself online. Look at the maps below, did that guy make any sense in the post you quoted? Your type is quick to call others ignorant yet....

Oga scroll back and check your previous mentions do I look like the one who told you Alaska was between US and Russia. I was just telling that guy to leave you to your ignorance as regards the Hong Kong and China issue. It's like you know nothing about the opium wars how Britain forcefully took Hong Kong from China. You keep talking about making Hong Kong independent why should China allow that. All these won't be happening if Britain didn't make forays into Chinese territory. Hong Kong will continue to be part of China Britain can bark till eternity.

engrchykae:
Hong Kong will just be used as Guinea pigs.
No one will help them.
They better stay with their brothers in China.
This is the result of the British coming to any country,they sow the seed of discord between brothers,why will a Chinese hate a Chinese because I know that a Hong Hong Kong person is a Chinese.
This is how they planted suspicion between the north and south of Nigeria

God bless you engrchykae.

Judybash93:


It's partially under their jurisdiction in the one state two systems thingy

The one country two systems doesn't even make sense. I don't know why China had to agree to it in the first place. Well I would accept they were weak then but they have to act fast before those Hong Kongers start pushing for complete independence from China cause that's what the colonial thief called Britain wants.

dermmy:


Oga i was not the one who told you Alaska was between US and Russia. I was just telling that guy to leave you to your ignorance as regards the Hong Kong and China issue. It's like you know nothing about the opium wars how Britain forcefully took Hong Kong from China. You keep talking about making Hong Kong independent why should China allow that. All these won't be happening if Britain didn't make forays into Chinese territory. Hong Kong will continue to be part of China Britain can bark till eternity.

You quoted his dumb post to call me ignorant and here you are quick to abandon him.

If not for the colonization, a lot of things would have been different. There wouldn't have been a single nation called Nigeria, Nigeria wouldn't have been English speaking or Christian's, etc. How many of these things went back to the way they were 100 years later after colonization? None. Each territory and colony big enough evolved into independence because the people have, over the years, instituted a system for themselves. So why must HK go back to it's former status if the people of HK does not concent to it? It's not all about China vs the UK. The people being fought over should have a say. They could vote to stay, fine but nothing will settle all this dispute faster than that.

Your argument simply doesn't make sense. You can type all you want but there's no justification for denying the people of HK a referendum. Nothing at all.

etrange:


You quoted his dumb post to call me ignorant and here you are quick to abandon him.

If not for the colonization, a lot of things would have been different. There wouldn't have been a single nation called Nigeria, Nigeria wouldn't have been English speaking or Christian's, etc. How many of these things went back to the way they were 100 years later after colonization? None. Each territory and colony big enough evolved into independence because the people have, over the years, instituted a system for themselves. So why must HK go back to it's former status if the people of HK does not concent to it? It's not all about China vs the UK. The people being fought over should have a say. They could vote to stay, fine but nothing will settle all this dispute after that.

Your argument simply doesn't make sense. You can type all you want but there's no justification for denying the people of HK a referendum. Nothing at all.

Lols.

etrange:


You quoted his dumb post to call me ignorant and here you are quick to abandon him.

If not for the colonization, a lot of things would have been different. There wouldn't have been a single nation called Nigeria, Nigeria wouldn't have been English speaking or Christian's, etc. How many of these things went back to the way they were 100 years later after colonization? None. Each territory and colony big enough evolved into independence because the people have, over the years, instituted a system for themselves. So why must HK go back to it's former status if the people of HK does not concent to it? It's not all about China vs the UK. The people being fought over should have a say. They could vote to stay, fine but nothing will settle all this dispute faster than that.

Your argument simply doesn't make sense. You can type all you want but there's no justification for denying the people of HK a referendum. Nothing at all.

See how you messed up. Using Nigeria's colonial past/setting to analyse China and Hong Kong issue. You said it's not always about China and UK then why is UK a former colonial master giving herself headache over what is not rightfully theirs? So because things didn't go back to the way they were before Britain administered Nigeria as protectorates and later amalgamate it China should now allow Hong Kong to slip away? You points are useless and baseless no one should take you serious.

dermmy:
Good one from China. UK please wake up from your dream you are no longer a colonial power. China is a sovereign nation and has the sovereign right to impose whatever law she deems necessary over her territory. China was foolish to have allowed the autonomous status, why would a colonial master steal your territory from you, ruled it for over a century and still dictate to you how to govern it after. Well that was when China was weak.

Is it about weak or strong or the rights of the people of Hong Kong?

It's just like the Bakassi issue? The issue was not about Cameroon or Nigeria. The people should have been given the option of self determination. They had a right to choose where they wanted to be. This option was even initially on the table.

For Hong Kong, the primary problem is Xi Jinpings autocratic and belligerent style. He is the epicenter. If someone else was premier, I'm sure this problem won't exist. China had a 1 China 2 systems policy 8n Hong Kong which worked very well. Xi is an autocrst through and through.

He has been going all over Southeast and Far east Asia throwing China's weight around and threatening the neighbours. He's been seizing disputed islands from neighbours, islands no more than uninhabited rocks.

grandstar:


Is it about weak or strong or the rights of the people of Hong Kong?

It's just like the Bakassi issue? The issue was not about Cameroon or Nigeria. The people should have been given the option of self determination. They had a right to choose where they wanted to be. This option was even initially on the table.

For Hong Kong, the primary problem is Xi Jinpings autocratic and belligerent style. He is the epicenter. If someone else was premier, I'm sure this problem won't exist. China had a 1 China 2 systems policy 8n Hong Kong which worked very well. Xi is an autocrst through and through.

He has been going all over Southeast and Far east Asia throwing China's weight around and threatening the neighbours. He's been seizing disputed islands from neighbours, islands no more than uninhabited rocks.

UK should have thought about the rights and sovereignty of China and Hong Kong before they forcefully took away Hong Kong from China. Oh yeah it's about being strong or weak. China was weak then and China even displayed more weakness by allowing the autonomous status for Hong Kong.

Go and read about power in international politics it is that power that Britain used against China when it took HK from her in 1843. China now has power to take back what belongs to her. Autonomous status be damned, international law be damned, when you have power no bloody imperialist can dictate to you how you should manage your affair.

dermmy:


UK should have thought about the rights and sovereignty of China and Hong Kong before they forcefully took away Hong Kong from China. Oh yeah it's about being strong or weak. China was weak then and China even displayed more weakness by allowing the autonomous status for Hong Kong.

Go and read about power in international politics it is that power that Britain used against China when it took HK from her in 1846. China now has power to take back what belongs to her. Autonomous status be damned, international law be damned, when you have power no bloody imperialist can dictate to you how you should manage your affair.

Stop being petty. This the 21st century. Hong Kong was an extremely prosperous place when handed over and not a Banana republuc. Nowadays, most colonial territories under rich western nations tend to be prosperous or relatively prosperous compared to what was the norm 60 years ago.

Centuries ago, the standard was conquest in the West Now, it is devolvement, the Rule of Law and human rights.

And the issue here remains the rights of the interest of the people of the territory which you feel is a non issue. They should go die because Britain colonized then almost 180 years ago. I find this bizarre.

Slimpotter:


Which China is of yesterday?

If they dare fire a missile at the UK I guarantee you NATO will pulverize China!

They are up against the west not just UK

Antiochus:


See how you messed up. Using Nigeria's colonial past/setting to analyse China and Hong Kong issue. You said it's not always about China and UK then why is UK a former colonial master giving herself headache over what is not rightfully theirs? So because things didn't go back to the way they were before Britain administered Nigeria as protectorates and later amalgamate it China should now allow Hong Kong to slip away? You points are useless and baseless no one should take you serious.

Ok

grandstar:


Stop being petty. This the 21st century. Hong Kong was an extremely prosperous place when handed over and not a Banana republuc. Nowadays, most colonial territories under rich western nations tend to be prosperous or relatively prosperous compared to what was the norm 60 years ago.

Centuries ago, the standard was conquest in the West Now, it is devolvement, the Rule of Law and human rights.

And the issue here remains the rights of the interest of the people of the territory which you feel is a non issue. They should go die because Britain colonized then almost 180 years ago. I find this bizarre.

Stop being ignorant. The international rule of law is only meant for weak African countries. Even these western powers violates the international law unilaterally. Look at the war crimes American troops committed in Iraq and Afghanistan now America is using her power to stop ICC from probing her by placing sanctions on the judge handling the case and you call that rule of law? The west you are praising have sponsored terror and unseated democratic regimes around the world and you call that rule of law?

US continue to help Israel annex Palestine lands and Syria's golan which is against international law and you are talking of rule of law.

Honestly I understand your sentiment but when a power is about to use its power to turn the table against you you have to challenge that power if you are able that was what happened when Russia annexed Crimea. Russia wouldn't have done that if the west didn't intervene in Ukraine affair. It is power politics bro you are still learning.

I just pity African countries in this 21st century they are so weak and unable to challenge these powers who are still scrambling for Africa.

engrchykae:
if Hong Hong Kong people are being killed,don't be surprised the UK won't do anything

China can never try that, never! Did you see the riots in Hong Kong, they even destroyed government property, the HK Leader Carrie was begging, and she almost resigned because of the crisis. Hong Kong people hate Mainland China and the Chinese government with passion. If China tries to use military force, UK and USA will step in 100%. And China will lose Hong Kong to the UK, like Ukraine lost Crimea to Russia. Compare that to when thousands of University students held a peaceful protest in Mainland China at Tiananmen square some decades ago. The Chinese government massacred thousands of students and democracy activists that didn't even do any violent protests. Did you see the protests in Hong Kong? 100% violent, the crowd was wild with weapons destroying anything in their way, and attacking police. China just have to behave, because if they don't and many Hong Kong people die, then they have played themselves into the hands of the West for a re-takeover. Those ones are just waiting for the opportunity now. Hong Kong can never be in China's grip. It will always be a rogue territory aligned to the West. Hong Kong people love their freedom.

dermmy:


Stop being ignorant. The international rule of law is only meant for weak African countries. Even these western powers violates the international law unilaterally. Look at the war crimes American troops committed in Iraq and Afghanistan now America is using her power to stop ICC from probing her by placing sanctions on the judge handling the case and you call that rule of law? The west you are praising have sponsored terror and unseated democratic regimes around the world and you call that rule of law?

US continue to help Israel annex Palestine lands and Syria's golan which is against international law and you are talking of rule of law.

Honestly I understand your sentiment but when a power is about to use its power to turn the table against you you have to challenge that power if you are able that was what happened when Russia annexed Crimea. Russia wouldn't have done that if the west didn't intervene in Ukraine affair. It is power politics bro you are still learning.

I just pity African countries in this 21st century they are so weak and unable to challenge these powers who are still scrambling for Africa.

At the end of the day, how does your stance help the people of Hong Kong under the tyranny they face? That has always been my point.

grandstar:


At the end of the day, how does your stance help the people of Hong Kong under the tyranny they face? That has always been my point.

Well, sovereignty may be defined as the power of the State to make law and enforce the law with all the coercive power it cares to employ. It is the characteristic of the State in virtue of which it cannot be legally bound except by its own will or limited by any other power.

The way China administer its own territory shouldn't be a headache for the west. The west has always propped up dictatorial regimes around the world for their own selfish interest so they should stop acting like a saint and respect China as a sovereign nation.

Openbusiness:

China can never try that, never! Did you see the riots in Hong Kong, they even destroyed government property, the HK Leader Carrie was begging, and she almost resigned because of the crisis. Hong Kong people hate Mainland China and the Chinese government with passion. If China tries to use military force, UK and USA will step in 100%. And China will lose Hong Kong to the UK, like Ukraine lost Crimea to Russia. Compare that to when thousands of University students held a peaceful protest in Mainland China at Tiananmen square some decades ago. The Chinese government massacred thousands of students and democracy activists that didn't even do any violent protests. Did you see the protests in Hong Kong? 100% violent, the crowd was wild with weapons destroying anything in their way, and attacking police. China just have to behave, because if they don't and many Hong Kong people die, then they have played themselves into the hands of the West for a re-takeover. Those ones are just waiting for the opportunity now. Hong Kong can never be in China's grip. It will always be a rogue territory aligned to the West. Hong Kong people love their freedom.

where is your UK and America when Russian invade Georgia. china will subdue HK by force and nothing will happen.

RTSC:

Let me give you just one example.

[s][/s]The US created the international criminal court and is a signatory along with most Nations of the world[s][/s].

The ICC indicted their solders for war crimes and want the US to submit them for investigation and sentencing.

US secretary of states has said that will never happen.
Infact, just yesterday he said the United states is going to sanction those judges at the ICC for daring to come after US soldiers who he claims are fighting for freedom.

That is one example among many.

the U.S never ratified her signatory to the I.C.C ...in otherwords they're not a state party to the treaty that created the I.C.C i.e the ROME STATUTE.
One of the most important guiding principle of International Law is that a treaty does not create either obligations or rights for THIRD STATES without their consent.

meaning of THIRD STATES? = simply means a State other than a Member State or a State not party to an agreement/a treaty.

leesamyoung:


where is your UK and America when Russian invade Georgia. china will subdue HK by force and nothing will happen.

Mr man Georgia has no strong relations with the West, or value as per their main interests. You can never compare Georgia with Hong Kong. Do you know how many Western citizens live in Hong Kong, and huge economic and political investment the West has there? Shebi na China b your Jackie Chan. Let them go and kill Hong Kong residents and let's see if the Western military won't cut China down to shreds. Una too dey overhype China, till date they are not even a developed country, still categorized as developing. Till date hundreds of millions of Chinese are poor. China cannot afford a war with the West, they will only talk tough with one side of their mouth, then go behind and seek diplomatic solutions. They are not fools

etrange:


Your own is to use every opportunity to trash talk your people. Honkong does not belong to China. Colonialism is a thing of the past. Both China and the UK should let them be a Sovereign state. Let the people decide for themselves. Besides, the UK has the right to give citizenship to any individual that wants it.

Were you drunk while typing this? Hong Kong does not belong to China yet they operate a one country two system with China? You don't know the history of China just admit this. colonialism is a thing of the past yet Britain is still flexing muscle? Please tell that to Britain. Britain has to realise that colonialism is a thing of the past that's why they must hand their hands off HK.

Isinweke:



Do you know that China leased Hong Kong to UK?

Hong Kong is Chinese territory under the administration of UK.

Just like Portugal administered Macau(part of China) for over 400yrs before returning it back to China in 1999.

The UK will return Hong Kong back to China in 2047.
UK is more involved in this than Hong Kong herself.

How many times will they return Hong Kong to China?

What then did they do in 1997?

Bbbwings:

Did you know the pact was supposed to end in 2047.
China is just bringing it forward

I actually didn't know that i thought it was earlier

SavageResponse:


If they dare fire a missile at the UK I guarantee you NATO will pulverize China!

Y'all underrate these countries alot.
Russia and China are enough for the whole NATO, just rest.

Judybash93:


They'll never let anyone know what's up... I won't be surprised if they did something like 1 Chinese soldier killed those 20 guys with his Chinese made rifle

Nah, both sides already confirmed that no weapons were used.

WICKEDfucker:

You must still be living in the past... You think we are in 1920s abi?

idiot has been put to sleep

Slimpotter:

Y'all underrate these countries alot.
Russia and China are enough for the whole NATO, just rest.

Russia will NEVER take sides with China in a military confrontation with Europe!

SavageResponse:


Russia will NEVER take sides with China in a military confrontation with Europe!

Really?
Your reasons?

engrchykae:
a meager 3 million Hong Kong people can be arrested and other Chinese people resettled in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong mustn't allow the Brits to use them as Guinea pigs

It is not that easy. But what do I know? "