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HedwigesMaduro:
The virgin birth is not a foundation of Christianity (maybe it is for Catholicism). The sacrificial death and resurrection of Christ is the foundation of Christianity.

Dtruthspeaker:
Themadam, after all these Answers, are you saying that none have satisfactorily answered your query?

Because I think they have

Cerebrae:
As much as the Birth of Christ is important, it solely does not form the foundation of Christianity.

The Birth, Death, Resurrection and Ascension of Christ... These are the basis of the Gospel

petra1:
Who virgin birth hep?
There is no importance about her virginity to salvation. Mary was just an ordinary Person. Mary had to become a believer in christ like everyone else .If Mary did not give her life to christ she would have gone to hell. So mary and her virginity has nothing to do with salvation. Mary was just a vessel to bring forth a baby .Christ is the centre of the gospel.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

The only reason she had to be a virgin was just to fulfill a sign. That jesus was not a product of a man and woman.

MuttleyLaff:

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You and I, two years ago or so, I recall have both together walked past this garden path before

MuttleyLaff:

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You and I, two years ago or so, I recall have
If she hadn't been a virgin, people will doubt the paternity of Jesus. They will say He isn't a Son of God, that He is the son of Joseph. This is the other strong reason why the young woman had to be a virgin. It is a no brainer, this is why Apostle Paul, didnt have to give emphasis to the virgin fact nor draw attention or focus to it.

TheMadame:
What is your own opinion and answer sir?
Once again the question is Why is Apostle Paul silent on the virgin birth of our Lord Jesus?

Dantedasz:
Look son, I am not the cause of whatever issues you have in your life.
Why are you always stalking? You still found a way to quote my moniker and bring me into your conversation.
It's like I'm living rent free in your nut.

TheMadame:
You are contradicting yourself sir.
First of all you say the virgin birth of our lord Jesus is not the foundation of christianity.
Then you in the next breath say maybe it is for Catholics.
My question to you is how do we get to the death and resurrection of our lord Jesus without the virgin birth?

Douglaufuoma:
is ur mother foundation of ur life, because without her u wouldn't come to life, also Mary importance to Jesus. no matter how u c it, she is part of the foundation of Christianity. Luke 2:35 says
And a sword will pierce through your own soul also—that the secret thoughts and purposes of many hearts may be brought out and disclosed. rev. 12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
    and the kingdom of our God,
    and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
    who accuses them before our God day and night,
    has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him
    by the blood of the Lamb
    and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
    as to shrink from death.
12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short.”

13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

with this will u still tell me our blessed mother is not relevant in the building of Christianity?

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not believe you Truly care for the answer but you are rather trying to generate heat so that the Antichrists and Haters of God can come and insult the Lord some more while also insulting us for believing in Him and Following Him, Just As is Written!

TheMadame:
This is the issue with a lot of us. Seeing antichrist in every corner and in their dreams. If you do not know the answer to the questions in the OP, isn't it better to not comment but rather wait for people with deeper knowledge of the scriptures to come and give us the answers. We all learn every day but I doubt if one can attain knowledge when anything you do not understand or know the answer to should be attributed to an antichrist.

Dtruthspeaker:
First, Nothing Can Be Gained from your Question Only Foreseeable Ridicule of the Most High!

Secondly, Almost every Answer here has been to the effect that your question is not gainful in anyway, yet you continue to seek an Answer.

The Answer which Remains is Obviously the Answer Tending to Insult the Dignity and Holiness of the Most High!

For After all these Answers, if you had a contrary answer, you would have presented it before now, but you do not have one.

And you are still seeking. What else could you be seeking, if not the Insult of God, while hiding in the darkness that you are seeking "deeper knowledge" even when everyone above has told you that there is no deeper knowledge.

Well seek on, and let us see if your search shall reveal something Good!

TheMadame:
You are contradicting yourself sir.
First of all you say the virgin birth of our lord Jesus is not the foundation of christianity.
Then you in the next breath say maybe it is for Catholics.
My question to you is how do we get to the death and resurrection of our lord Jesus without the virgin birth?

Daejoyoung:
Where does the bible say that the VIRGIN birth is a factor or prerequisite for the death and resurrection of jesus christ? Mark doesn't even mention it in his gospel for his readers, but it is a gospel nonetheless.

Dantedasz:
Mark and John do not mention the virgin birth because it NEVER happened. Take away the 1st chapters of Luke and Mathew that talk about a virgin birth and then you realise the virgin birth is not mentioned anywhere by any of the Christian founding fathers.
The virgin birth was similar to other virgin births of other man gods in Ancient Rome. The virgin birth was a clever insertion into the bible by the writers of Luke and Mathew gospels and that is why Paul does not talk about it in his numerous letters because such an event was not known to the early Christians.
You guys need to do a little research and stop being afraid to ask questions!

Daejoyoung:
I am a Christian, but I already know all this. I cannot say with certainty that it was an insertion though, I'll say that it was probably part of the oral stories about jesus making waves at the time which matthew and luke adopted for perhaps different reasons.

Matthew probably believed it fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 7, while Luke may have just heard it somewhere and it may have been popular in his circle. The others may have ignored the story or probably tossed it aside as a rumour since Mary was probably no longer alive to give the true account.

Daejoyoung:
I am a Christian, but I already know all this. I cannot say with certainty that it was an insertion though, I'll say that it was probably part of the oral stories about jesus making waves at the time which matthew and luke adopted for perhaps different reasons.

Matthew probably believed it fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 7, while Luke may have just heard it somewhere and it may have been popular in his circle. The others may have ignored the story or probably tossed it aside as a rumour since Mary was probably no longer alive to give the true account.

TheMadame:
Please do you have links to such research.

Dantedasz:
Mark and John do not mention the virgin birth because it NEVER happened. Take away the 1st chapters of Luke and Mathew that talk about a virgin birth and then you realise the virgin birth is not mentioned anywhere by any of the Christian founding fathers.
The virgin birth was similar to other virgin births of other man gods in Ancient Rome. The virgin birth was a clever insertion into the bible by the writers of Luke and Mathew gospels and that is why Paul does not talk about it in his numerous letters because such an event was not known to the early Christians.
You guys need to do a little research and stop being afraid to ask questions!

TheMadame:
It appears you are crying more than the bereaved. If you don't know the answer to what I seek why not be silent and observe after all I am not using your data to browse neither did I collect money for data from you.
This is a public forum. I am not one of those you brow beat with empty bluster.
Thank you. The search for answers to the question in the OP continues....

TheMadame:
Please provide some links to this. Thank you.

Dantedasz:
Mark and John do not mention the virgin birth because it NEVER happened. Take away the 1st chapters of Luke and Mathew that talk about a virgin birth and then you realise the virgin birth is not mentioned anywhere by any of the Christian founding fathers.
The virgin birth was similar to other virgin births of other man gods in Ancient Rome. The virgin birth was a clever insertion into the bible by the writers of Luke and Mathew gospels and that is why Paul does not talk about it in his numerous letters because such an event was not known to the early Christians.
You guys need to do a little research and stop being afraid to ask questions!

Dantedasz:
Mark and John do not mention the virgin birth because it NEVER happened. Take away the 1st chapters of Luke and Mathew that talk about a virgin birth and then you realise the virgin birth is not mentioned anywhere by any of the Christian founding fathers.
The virgin birth was similar to other virgin births of other man gods in Ancient Rome. The virgin birth was a clever insertion into the bible by the writers of Luke and Mathew gospels and that is why Paul does not talk about it in his numerous letters because such an event was not known to the early Christians.
You guys need to do a little research and stop being afraid to ask questions!

Dantedasz:
Oga,
Just so you know Isiah Chapter 7 verse 14 is NOT even talking about Jesus Christ but an entirely DIFFERENT virgin birth which the author of Matthews gospel cunningly and probably ignorantly ascribed to the Jesus virgin birth story for his own reasons.

Daejoyoung:
Matthew interpreted it to be about jesus.

Dtruthspeaker:
See your Evilness, the History of Christ is not in Mark and John, so you would say it never happened too.

And if that did not happen then, according to you, the Bible, Never Happened.

See how una Antichrists must show your colours?

Anyway, Op na your sister, so it is actually a discussion between one Antichrist and Another, so me, I don Waka.

Dem go meet me for outside wen dem finish dier Evil Choo-choo-choo!

TheMadame:
Please provide some links to this. Thank you.

Dantedasz:
He interpreted it wrongly.
Isiah Chapter 7 is self explanatory.
I appreciate the mature way you carry out your debate.
Cheers.

Daejoyoung:
It's not a research, it's my opinion. Nobody knows what happened at that time.

Dantedasz:
Oga,
Just so you know Isiah Chapter 7 verse 14 is NOT even talking about Jesus Christ but an entirely DIFFERENT virgin birth which the author of Matthews gospel cunningly and probably ignorantly ascribed to the Jesus virgin birth story for his own reasons.