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Kobojunkie:
Are you sure about that?

Job 33:4. The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of
the Almighty gives me life. Genesis 2:7 is parralel to this.

Is it the soul that gives life or breath of life (ruach)

Kobojunkie:
I don't get the point of your question.

Have you read the psalm?.. I have been telling you that we are spiritual beings dwelling within a body made from dust.. At death the spirit returns back to God who gave it and the body back to the earth where it was taken... Back to default settings.
The only way to have any relationship with God is for us to obey laws and customs in other for us to have a more fulfilling and fruitful human experience.. That was why God gave the Jews the Torah and the igbos what we call the omenani.. It is just a set of laws and custom for us to abide by..
God created us and gave us the ability and capacity to make choices . the laws where given to guide our the choices we make.. At the end of the day our spirits will return to God and our body returns to earth.

the key translation of nephesh is soul And it's use to refer to a person....

cornelboy:
Job 33:4. The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of
the Almighty gives me life. Genesis 2:7 is parralel to this.

Is it the soul that gives life or breath of life (ruach)

He is finding it difficult because it is against his illusions and what he has been brainwashed to believe..

sonmvayina:
He is finding it difficult because it is against his illusions and what he has been brainwashed to believe..

do you believe in pre-existence

cornelboy:
do you believe in pre-existence

Yes... We are all gods..

sonmvayina:
Yes... We are all gods..

Now I see. Are you a LDS member?

Hmmm..... see all this confusion. It prompts me to ask again. Is Hebrew Nephesh (translated as soul) the same as Greek Psyche (also translated as soul).

Even within Hebrew we can ask, is Nismat the same as Ruach. Why then did they coin two different words for the same thing?

When the desperation caused by our ignorance of these foreign cultures leads us to start taking meanings from the English dictionary instead of studying how the original people used the terms then we know that we have progressed from farce to tragedy.

cornelboy:
you are sure about what you said
Psyche and Nemesh both means Soul in Greek and Hebrew respectively.
Ruach is Spirit in Hebrew.

shadeyinka:
I know that you people do not like looking at the text of Christs words if it conflicts with your official church position.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Let me rephrase the above scripture according to your theology and lets see
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul body . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul body and body in hell.

For your sake, lets assume that the above scripture is a parable, Does this scripture make any sense as amended above?

In other words, the BODY is not the same as the SOUL of man. The scripture makes sense only as Christ has presented it.
The SOUL is that which gives the BODY life. If man can kill the SOUL of man, what make them different from GOD apart from resurrection?.



Cant you see that you've just contradicted yourself with the use of the conjunction AND meaning that the Body is different from the soul.

Using your "parable theory", Adam was created in a Second Death state which technically should be nonexistence/annihilation. If dead soul is lifeless, it cannot be different from the first death?

Your conjectures seem to be breaking down on scrutiny.

PastorAIO:
Hmmm..... see all this confusion. It prompts me to ask again. Is Hebrew Nephesh (translated as soul) the same as Greek Psyche (also translated as soul).

Even within Hebrew we can ask, is Nismat the same as Ruach. Why then did they coin two different words for the same thing?

When the desperation caused by our ignorance of these foreign cultures leads us to start taking meanings from the English dictionary instead of studying how the original people used the terms then we know that we have progressed from farce to tragedy.

are you a Hebrew yourself So stop "forming" and say whatever you want to say

cornelboy:
Now I see. Are you a LDS member?

No, what does that mean?.. I am igbo from delta state, I follow our omenani.. I. e laws and customs.

PastorAIO:
Hmmm..... see all this confusion. It prompts me to ask again. Is Hebrew Nephesh (translated as soul) the same as Greek Psyche (also translated as soul).

Even within Hebrew we can ask, is Nismat the same as Ruach. Why then did they coin two different words for the same thing?

When the desperation caused by our ignorance of these foreign cultures leads us to start taking meanings from the English dictionary instead of studying how the original people used the terms then we know that we have progressed from farce to tragedy.

I cannot see the link between my post which you quoted and your comment

cornelboy:
Where do you think the soul goes?
New International Version
As she breathed her last--for she was
dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But
his father named him Benjamin.

New Living Translation
Rachel was about to die, but with her
last breath she named the baby Ben-oni
(which means “son of my sorrow”). The
baby’s father, however, called him
Benjamin (which means “son of my right
hand”).
English Standard Version
And as her soul was departing (for she
was dying), she called his name Ben-oni;
but his father called him Benjamin.
Berean Study Bible
And with her last breath—for she was
dying—she named him Ben-oni. But his
father called him Benjamin.
New American Standard Bible
It came about as her soul was departing
(for she died), that she named him Ben-
oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

New King James Version
And so it was, as her soul was departing
(for she died), that she called his name
Ben-Oni; but his father called him
Benjamin.

King James Bible
And it came to pass, as her soul was in
departing, (for she died) that she called
his name Benoni: but his father called
him Benjamin.

Christian Standard Bible
With her last breath--for she was dying--
she named him Ben-oni, but his father
called him Benjamin.
Contemporary English Version
Rachel was at the point of death, and
right before dying, she said, "I'll name
him Benoni." But Jacob called him
Benjamin.

Good News Translation
But she was dying, and as she breathed
her last, she named her son Benoni, but
his father named him Benjamin.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
With her last breath--for she was dying--
she named him Ben-oni, but his father
called him Benjamin.
International Standard Version
Just before she died, Rachel called her
son's name Ben-oni, but his father Jacob
named him Benjamin.

NET Bible
With her dying breath, she named him
Ben-Oni. But his father called him
Benjamin instead.

If we are not in agreement with what the SOUL is, how can you comprehend where the soul goes.

Check the interlinear translation

cornelboy:
Soul
By Jeff A. Benner
נֶפֶשׁ nephesh
What is the soul? Webster' Dictionary gives the following
definition. "The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as
immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to
happiness or misery in a future state." In most cases people will
understand the soul through this definition. But, as I have so
often stated, our interpretation of Biblical words should be from a
Hebraic perspective, not a modern western perspective.
The Hebrew word translated as "soul" is the word nephesh
(Strong's #5315). If we look at the various ways in which this
word is translated in an English translation, such as the KJV, we
will see a wide variation in its interpretation. Some of these
translations include; soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature,
body, dead, desire, man, appetite, lust, thing, self, beast,
pleasure, ghost, breath and will. What exactly does this word
mean?
I had always assumed that only humans had a soul, but it was
during a study of the word "soul" many years ago that I
discovered that translations often influence how we interpret
Biblical concepts. In Genesis 2:7 we find that man is a "living
soul" and in Genesis 1:21 we find that animals are "living
creatures". When I first started using a concordance to look up
the original Hebrew words I was amazed to find out that these
two English phrases were the translations of the same Hebrew
phrase - nephesh hhayah. Why would the translators translate
nephesh hhayahas "living soul" in one place and "living
creatures" in another? It was this discovery that prompted me to
learn the Hebrew language.
In the Hebrew mind we are composed of multiple parts. The
body is the flesh and bones, the vessel. The organs are viewed
as the seats of thought (the heart), emotion (the kidneys),
intuition (gut), etc. The breath is ones character, what makes a
person who they are.
The soul is the whole of the person, the unity of the body,
organs and breath. It is not some immaterial spiritual entity, it is
you, all of you, your whole being or self.

Animals have their SOULs, for the Soul is the seat if Personal Identity of a person. The soul is the person I refer to as Me, I, Myself etc.
Angels even though are without physical bodies have their soul as their Individual Identity and the same with demons

A Human being has a Physical BODY and a Spiritual BODIES by which they function in both the Physical Realm and the Spiritual Realm.

Death is just a disconnection between the Physical Identity of a man and the Union of his Soul and Spirit.

The soul is the whole of the person, the unity of the body, organs and breath. It is not some immaterial spiritual entity, it is you, all of you, your whole being or self

Each of your Identity is YOU individually and as a union.
Your Body even at death is YOU
Your Soul is YOU
Your Spirit is YOU

shadeyinka:
If we are not in agreement with what the SOUL is, how can you comprehend where the soul goes.
Check the interlinear translation

Soul is the character that God store in his memory, when a person expires God either keep the character in mind or forget such a character.
Jesus died and God resurrected him the third day because of his Godly devotion {Act 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40; Romans 10:9; Hebrew 5:7}

Jesus the body was killed, Jesus the soul (Character) was safely kept in God's memory!

cornelboy:
but you should have know earlier that the nephesh I was talking about is a person or being, which make my initial post valid and biblical.
Mind you I'm not a JW.
Yeah, really the soul in Matthew 10:28 means life or spirit.

Very wrong
When you kill the body, what happens to LIFE?
And if perchance the NT wrongly called Spirit as SOUL, then the "Animating Being in a Man" CANNOT be killed by man rendering all your argument irrelevant. As you have proved that something lives ON after the Physical Death.

Matthew 10:28
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

You forget that the NT is careful to distinguish between the SOUL and SPIRIT unlike the OT

The bible Says "God is a Spirit": but does God also have a SOUL?
Lev26:11
11 I will make my dwelling among you, and My Soul shall not abhor you
Judges 10:16
And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served the Lord: and His Soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.

Leviticus 26:11, 30
I will make my dwelling among you, and My Soul [Hebrew, nap-si from nephesh] shall not abhor you. ... And I will destroy your high places and cut down your incense altars and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols, and my soul [ nap-si] will abhor you.

Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom My Soul [ nap-si] delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Jeremiah 32:41
I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will plant them in this land in faithfulness, with all my heart and all My Soul [ nap-si].

Matthew 12:18
Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom My Soul [Greek, psyche] is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

Hebrews 10:38
but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, My Soul [psyche] has no pleasure in him.

shadeyinka:
Each of your Identity is YOU individually and as a union.
Your Body even at death is YOU
Your Soul is YOU
Your Spirit is YOU

The body is what is visible to all, the soul (Character) is what Satan is after because it's changeable but the spirit is just the life force that is actuating the body, so it's immaterial!

Maximus69:
The body is what is visible to all, the soul (Character) is what Satan is after because it's changeable but the spirit is just the life force that is actuating the body, so it's immaterial!

No Sir
Your BODY is your Physical IDENTITY:
With your body, you relate with the Physical world
With your body, you are recognized by people viewing you in the light
With your body you experience physical stimulus through your physical senses

Your SPIRIT is your Spiritual IDENTITY:
With your spirit, you relate with the Spirit world (including God)
With your spirit, you are recognized in the spirit Realm
With your spirit you experience spiritual stimulus through your conscience

Your SOUL is your Personal/Internal IDENTITY:
With your soul, you relate with Emotion, Intellect and Volition
With your soul, you identify yourself as I, ME or MYSELF. Even if all the members of your body are surgically replaced as long as you are living, you will recognize/identify yourself.

It is a mans soul that causes him to SIN or do RIGHTEOUSNESS: for it is the part of man that chooses for man, it is the part of man desires pleasure and avoids pain.

but the spirit is just the life force that is actuating the body, so it's immaterial!

Of course no one has said that either the soul or spirit are material
If the spirit is just a life force, what is "this life force" animating with respect to an angel?
If the spirit is just a life force, it should be invisible: is it?

I wish you do not dodge these last two questions

Maximus69:
Soul is the character that God store in his memory, when a person expires God either keep the character in mind or forget such a character.
Jesus died and God resurrected him the third day because of his Godly devotion {Act 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40; Romans 10:9; Hebrew 5:7}

Jesus the body was killed, Jesus the soul (Character) was safely kept in God's memory!

Are you saying that the Hebrew word Nephesh mean "CHARACTER"?

I though you people believe that Jesus did not resurrect (for this will make him physically alive and not just a spirit being).
Luke 24:39
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

shadeyinka:
Are you saying that the Hebrew word Nephesh mean "CHARACTER"?

I though you people believe that Jesus did not resurrect (for this will make him physically alive and not just a spirit being).
Luke 24:39
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

The character is the easiest way to explain what soul means, the person called Moses died long ago but the character lives in the minds of history students, each time someone mention the name "Moses" most people wish he is alive so that they can discuss with him, many people name their children (Moses)
So God who made Moses love to see him again much more than all those history students, that's what the soul represents, the body has decayed but the character is reserved in God's memory, he will form another body for Moses and restore the Character (Soul).
Jesus was born as a human but the Character didn't come to his memory until after his baptism, before then Jesus only lived like any other human being, it's after the holy spirit landed on him that his memories as a heavenly being returned to him.
So that Character can be stored somewhere in God's memory until resurrection, when God will form a new body for each Character in his memory.
That is soul, only God can destroy both the body and the Soul (Character) just as you can destroy the records of any person! Matthew 10:28

shadeyinka:
If the spirit is just a life force, what is "this life force" animating with respect to an angel?

They are Characters in spirit form!

If the spirit is just a life force, it should be invisible: is it?
I wish you do not dodge these last two questions

Of course it's just an invisible force that's why animals also have spirit (life force) Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

cornelboy:
are you a Hebrew yourself So stop "forming" and say whatever you want to say

I thought that what I want to say is clear enough. However I am happy to repeat it again.

You, sir, in spite of your pretensions to correct other people's understanding of 'Soul' have proven yourself to be quite confused.

I have come to the conclusion that the source of this confusion is due to the fact that the text of the bible was originally written in many foreign languages that are no longer extant, and then later translated into English.

Consider your opening post:

cornelboy:
They think that it's an entity that leaves the body after death and goes to either Hell or Heaven.
What does the Bible says about this Gen 2:7 KJV, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breath into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living 'SOUL'".
Having proper understanding of the Scriptures we see that the SOUL consists of the body (dust) and spirit or breath of life ("ruach" in Hebrew).
When one dies, the spirit or breath returns to God and the body goes to the dust (decays).
So, the SOUL is you. You are a living SOUL!!!

Take your opening line: They think that it's an entity that leaves the body after death

This is confounded by Shadeyinka's quotation from the bible, genesis 35:18

18And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni;g but his father called him Benjamin


Surely at this point you ought to have stopped and thanked her for enlightening you. I certainly felt enlightened myself.

shadeyinka:
I cannot see the link between my post which you quoted and your comment

You spoke about conjectures breaking down under scrutiny.

Maximus69:
They are Characters in spirit form!

Angels are characters in spirit form!?
That would be contrary to the character of God. LOL!
It simply means that God made Satan an Evil character and made that evil character in spirit form.

The same applies to human beings: If God made our Characters and put it in physical form, it means that God is ultimately responsible for our character and thus shouldn't judge us for the character he has made us.
Sorry Bro, it is illogical.

Maximus69:
The character is the easiest way to explain what soul means, the person called Moses died long ago but the character lives in the minds of history students, each time someone mention the name "Moses" most people wish he is alive so that they can discuss with him, many people name their children (Moses)
So God who made Moses love to see him again much more than all those history students, that's what the soul represents, the body has decayed but the character is reserved in God's memory, he will form another body for Moses and restore the Character (Soul).
Jesus was born as a human but the Character didn't come to his memory until after his baptism, before then Jesus only lived like any other human being, it's after the holy spirit landed on him that his memories as a heavenly being returned to him.
So that Character can be stored somewhere in God's memory until resurrection, when God will form a new body for each Character in his memory.
That is soul, only God can destroy both the body and the Soul (Character) just as you can destroy the records of any person! Matthew 10:28

Maximus69:
Of course it's just an invisible force that's why animals also have spirit (life force) Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

I believe the normal usage of the word character is way different from your definition.

Definition of Character:
1. the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual.
synonyms: personality · nature · disposition · temperament · temper · mentality

A Persons character is NOT a Life Force, it is the Way a person is PERCIEVED or likes to be PERCIEVED in his interpersonal relationship with other men. Isn't a persons character learnt and developed over time?

And for your information, this perception is relative to PEOPLE who has one thing or the other to do with him.
Gen Sanni Abacha is seen by many as a Villain while his friends see him as Benevolent
Gov El Rufai may be praised as Decisive but those whose houses were pulled down see him as Callous

In Summary:
1. a persons character isn't FIXED (a bad person may sometimes change to be good and a nice person may become insensitive).
2. a persons character is just an a small aspect of the expression of his WILL, INTELLECT and EMOTION
To help you out,
How many times does a person need to steal to be known as a Thief?
How many times does a person need to Murder for him to be known as a Murderer?
If a a man Rapes ONCE during his life time, should he be excused with the argument that it isn't in his character to rape?

If I am happy, is it my Character that is happy?
If I decide to commit suicide, is my Character the one committing suicide?

No Sir, Character is a very wrong WORD or synonym for SOUL; This your definition is just an attempt to avoid the reality
Mat 26:38
Then he said to them, "My soul character is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here, and watch with me.

Do you think this word replacement of soul with character in Mat26:38 make sense?

Your SOUL is your Personal/Internal IDENTITY:
With your soul, you relate with Emotion, Intellect and Volition
With your soul, you identify yourself as I, ME or MYSELF . Even if all the members of your body are surgically replaced as long as you are living, you will recognize/identify yourself.

Your BODY is YOU: A person feel pain when he steps on nails
Your SOUL is YOU: A person feels pain when a loved one dies
Your SPIRIT is YOU: A person experiences great faith when the Holy Spirit expresses Himself through Him

Galatians 5:22-23.
“ But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law

Maximus69:
The body is what is visible to all, the soul (Character) is what Satan is after because it's changeable but the spirit is just the life force that is actuating the body, so it's immaterial!

Why are you avoiding the fact that your soul is YOU and not your character.
The YOU on the inside is one who has the power to overrule the YOU on the outside. Even a normally fearful person can choose to fight rather than run.

When you say I am happy, is it your character that is happy or YOU (You on the inside)?
When you are intelligent, is it your character that is intelligent or YOU(You on the inside)?
When you are afraid, is it your character that is afraid or YOU(You on the inside)?
When you endure pain as a good soldier of Christ, is it your character that is enduring pain or YOU(You on the inside)?
When you resist a temptation, is it your character that is resisting the temptation or YOU(You on the inside)?

shadeyinka:
Angels are characters in spirit form!?
That would be contrary to the character of God. LOL!
It simply means that God made Satan an Evil character and made that evil character in spirit form.

The same applies to human beings: If God made our Characters and put it in physical form, it means that God is ultimately responsible for our character and thus shouldn't judge us for the character he has made us.
Sorry Bro, it is illogical.




I believe the normal usage of the word character is way different from your definition.

Definition of Character:
1. the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual.
synonyms: personality · nature · disposition · temperament · temper · mentality

A Persons character is NOT a Life Force, it is the Way a person is PERCIEVED or likes to be PERCIEVED in his interpersonal relationship with other men. Isn't a persons character learnt and developed over time?

And for your information, this perception is relative to PEOPLE who has one thing or the other to do with him.
Gen Sanni Abacha is seen by many as a Villain while his friends see him as Benevolent
Gov El Rufai may be praised as Decisive but those whose houses were pulled down see him as Callous

In Summary:
1. a persons character isn't FIXED (a bad person may sometimes change to be good and a nice person may become insensitive).
2. a persons character is just an a small aspect of the expression of his WILL, INTELLECT and EMOTION
To help you out,
How many times does a person need to steal to be known as a Thief?
How many times does a person need to Murder for him to be known as a Murderer?
If a a man Rapes ONCE during his life time, should he be excused with the argument that it isn't in his character to rape?

If I am happy, is it my Character that is happy?
If I decide to commit suicide, is my Character the one committing suicide?

No Sir, Character is a very wrong WORD or synonym for SOUL; This your definition is just an attempt to avoid the reality
Mat 26:38
Then he said to them, "My soul character is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here, and watch with me.

Do you think this word replacement of soul with character in Mat26:38 make sense?

Your SOUL is your Personal/Internal IDENTITY:
With your soul, you relate with Emotion, Intellect and Volition
With your soul, you identify yourself as I, ME or MYSELF . Even if all the members of your body are surgically replaced as long as you are living, you will recognize/identify yourself.

Your BODY is YOU: A person feel pain when he steps on nails
Your SOUL is YOU: A person feels pain when a loved one dies
Your SPIRIT is YOU: A person experiences great faith when the Holy Spirit expresses Himself through Him

Galatians 5:22-23.
“ But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law

The underlined is correct about the meaning of Soul and it perfectly connotes the same thing as Character so don't rely on the dictionary to define what Character means in relation to Soul!

Either way the Soul (Character) does not survive at death, it only ramains in the memories of those who appreciate it, that's why Jesus said "do not fear those who can kill the body but can't destroy the Soul (Character) rather fear the one who can destroy both body and Character" Matthew 10:28

God created man in his image the same way that angels were also created, the difference is they were spirit beings while we are human.

Both have freewill, so the soul is that Character each person whether human or angel choose to become in life. If you choose to be obedient Soul (Character) God will give you everlasting life but if you choose to be a rebellious Soul (Character) you will be forgotten.
As for lifes in spirit form (angels) they will be destroyed if they choose to have evil Character.
Humans die and return to non-existence because our Character dies immediately we draw our last breath, but angels can't die because the force actuating their life has nothing to do with the physical.
Soul means the Character that's stored in the memory of the living after the person dies which only God has the power determine if such a Character will ever live again or forgotten forever!

Maximus69:
Soul is the character that God store in his memory, when a person expires God either keep the character in mind or forget such a character.
Jesus died and God resurrected him the third day because of his Godly devotion {Act 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40; Romans 10:9; Hebrew 5:7}

Jesus the body was killed, Jesus the soul (Character) was safely kept in God's memory!

But God isnt the God of the DEAD but the LIVING!
The fact that I remember what Adolf Hitler did in Europe or what Emperor Caligula in Rome has made me to keep them safely in my memory!?

One day, God will forget that he had ever created the fallen angel called Satan! LOL
And God will forget that Nephilims once spread iniquity on the earth!
Oh God will forget that Pharaoh once did evil to the children of Israel.

It seems God will forget all the history of the world.
Does this above make sense to you?

God isn't that forgetful.
Neh4:5
5Do not cover up their iniquity or let their sin be blotted out from Your sight, for they have provoked the builders.

PastorAIO:
I thought that what I want to say is clear enough. However I am happy to repeat it again.

You, sir, in spite of your pretensions to correct other people's understanding of 'Soul' have proven yourself to be quite confused.

I have come to the conclusion that the source of this confusion is due to the fact that the text of the bible was originally written in many foreign languages that are no longer extant, and then later translated into English.

Consider your opening post:



Take your opening line: They think that it's an entity that leaves the body after death

This is confounded by Shadeyinka's quotation from the bible, genesis 35:18

18And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni;g but his father called him Benjamin


Surely at this point you ought to have stopped and thanked her for enlightening you. I certainly felt enlightened myself.

I can assume too that you are confused yourself.
If Shade yinka says that it's the SOUL that gives life, then it converse Job 33:4 and Gen 2:7.
Some Bible translation put that Gen. 35:18 differently.
My main point is that, when one dies, the breath or spirit returns to God who gave it and the body goes to the ground.

shadeyinka:
Why are you avoiding the fact that your soul is YOU and not your character.
The YOU on the inside is one who has the power to overrule the YOU on the outside. Even a normally fearful person can choose to fight rather than run.

When you say I am happy, is it your character that is happy or YOU (You on the inside)?
When you are intelligent, is it your character that is intelligent or YOU(You on the inside)?
When you are afraid, is it your character that is afraid or YOU(You on the inside)?
When you endure pain as a good soldier of Christ, is it your character that is enduring pain or YOU(You on the inside)?
When you resist a temptation, is it your character that is resisting the temptation or YOU(You on the inside)?

You're the one mixing things up my friend!

The Soul is the Character you choose to be.

If someone walks up to you and slaps you, what observers will be anticipating is your response, of course it's the Character (Soul) that will determine your next move!
Even when it's obvious to everyone that you can easily beat the one who slaps you, your Soul which is the inner you will choose what you do next. That Character is what God said in the Bible book of Ezekiel "will die" why because the Soul (Character) is not in accordance with his will! Ezekiel 18:4

shadeyinka:
But God isnt the God of the DEAD but the LIVING!
The fact that I remember what Adolf Hitler did in Europe or what Emperor Caligula in Rome has made me to keep them safely in my memory!?

One day, God will forget that he had ever created the fallen angel called Satan! LOL
And God will forget that Nephilims once spread iniquity on the earth!
Oh God will forget that Pharaoh once did evil to the children of Israel.

It seems God will forget all the history of the world.
Does this above make sense to you?

God isn't that forgetful.
Neh4:5
5Do not cover up their iniquity or let their sin be blotted out from Your sight, for they have provoked the builders.

You still don't get it my friend!

The Character (Soul) you remember, please what can you do after such Soul (Character) is no more?

God of course has the power to determine whether a Character will live again or not.

As for the Character (Soul) that proves to be evil, God is warning such persons to have a change of Character because that's the only reason why he will remember them!

For your information, he doesn't keep account of injury so once an evildoer expires (dies) God forgets everything about him {Romans 6:7} but if after knowing of the pain such Character (Soul) caused others, and yet you now choose to become that same Character, God will now deal ruthlessly with such a person because the expiration of the other evil Character is enough to sound a warning for others coming after him! Exodus 34:7

Maximus69:
The underlined is correct about the meaning of Soul and it perfectly connotes the same thing as Character so don't rely on the dictionary to define what Character means in relation to Soul!

If truly Your SOUL is your Personal/Internal IDENTITY: and
With your soul, you relate with Emotion, Intellect and Volition
With your soul, you identify yourself as I, ME or MYSELF . Even if all the members of your body are surgically replaced as long as you are living, you will recognize/identify yourself.

Then how come we cant insert Character as a replacement anywhere you find the word Nephesh (SOUL) both in the OT and NT BUT you can replace the word SOUL with the Personal Pronouns of I, ME, HIS, HER, MYSELF, HIMSELF?

If Jesus was sad, what SADNESS the character of JESUS?

Maximus69:
Either way the Soul (Character) does not survive at death, it only remains in the memories of those who appreciate it, that's why Jesus said "do not fear those who can kill the body but can't destroy the Soul (Character) rather fear the one who can destroy both body and Character" Matthew 10:28

I doubt if you know the meaning of Character.
Have you heard of the word character assassination?
Do you know that History can be rewritten and characters destroyed, erased or embellished?

You used to be a soldier, so I expect you to know.

I don't have the foggiest idea of the names nor characters of my great grand parents. Does this mean their characters have been destroyed?
But I do that of Emperor Nero: it seems his character is still alive till now!

Maximus69:
God created man in his image the same way that angels were also created, the difference is they were spirit beings while we are human.
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Angels are union of their SOUL and SPIRIT
Humans are a union of their BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT
[quote author=Maximus69 post=92029653]Both have freewill, so the soul is that Character each person whether human or angel choose to become in life. If you choose to be obedient Soul (Character) God will give you everlasting life but if you choose to be a rebellious Soul (Character) you will be forgotten.
As for lifes in spirit form (angels) they will be destroyed if they choose to have evil Character.
Humans die and return to non-existence because our Character dies immediately we draw our last breath, but angels can't die because the force actuating their life has nothing to do with the physical.
Soul means the Character that's stored in the memory of the living after the person dies which only God has the power determine if such a Character will ever live again or forgotten forever!

You are just repeating yourself even though you can see that it doesnt agree with common sense.

Gen 35:18
18And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni;g but his father called him Benjamin

We can see that the character of Racheal departed from her! SMH!!
Does this make any sense to you

shadeyinka:
Very wrong
When you kill the body, what happens to LIFE?
And if perchance the NT wrongly called Spirit as SOUL, then the "Animating Being in a Man" CANNOT be killed by man rendering all your argument irrelevant. As you have proved that something lives ON after the Physical Death.

Matthew 10:28
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

You forget that the NT is careful to distinguish between the SOUL and SPIRIT unlike the OT

The bible Says "God is a Spirit": but does God also have a SOUL?
Lev26:11
11 I will make my dwelling among you, and My Soul shall not abhor you
Judges 10:16
And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served the Lord: and His Soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.

Leviticus 26:11, 30
I will make my dwelling among you, and My Soul [Hebrew, nap-si from nephesh] shall not abhor you. ... And I will destroy your high places and cut down your incense altars and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols, and my soul [ nap-si] will abhor you.

Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom My Soul [ nap-si] delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Jeremiah 32:41
I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will plant them in this land in faithfulness, with all my heart and all My Soul [ nap-si].

Matthew 12:18
Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom My Soul [Greek, psyche] is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

Hebrews 10:38
but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, My Soul [psyche] has no pleasure in him.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the breath returns to God who gave it. (NRSV)

When one dies, it's crystal clear that the spirit from God which gives life (Job 33:4) returns to God who gave it, while the body decays. So life ends here.
It's when Jesus comes back that the dead will be raised to life through GOD's power.
Nothing lives on after death, the spirit is like a "life force".

What do you think "to kill the body means"
Also if a person dies, what remains of him

cornelboy:
I can assume too that you are confused yourself.
If Shade yinka says that it's the SOUL that gives life, then it converse Job 33:4 and Gen 2:7.
Some Bible translation put that Gen. 35:18 differently.
My main point is that, when one dies, the breath or spirit returns to God who gave it and the body goes to the ground.

Exactly.. It will become one with God... So which one is Jesus saving?

When I say that Jesus is totally irrelevant to both God and man, people will look at me with corner eye.. Like I don't know what I am saying..
I will say it again.. Jesus is useless to both man and God..