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Maximus69:
That's exactly how each Religion claiming truth has been saying one thing or the other about the rest so that's another case entirely!

But @ bolded, do you mean spiritual truth apart from Islam?

Please tell me what Islam teaches not what you feel now!

Islam teaches many many many things. From Theology, commerce, Laws, Nature etc. So, be specific and if it is Spirituality, it springs forth from the Belief in Oneness of the Godhead, following His commandments, the Dos and Don'ts.

DappaD:
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Oga Lukuluku69 can you see these ‘LIES and Manipulations’ and identify it please? Can it be seen? Is it tangible?

That's the only question I asked you

Of course you can't see when people messes with your mind and that was not the only question you asked! Go back and read your post.

Lukuluku69:
Of course you can't see when people messes with your mind and that was not the only question you asked! Go back and read your post.

Still going round and round in circles I see.

DappaD:
They were not Muslims so who could they possibly be?
Did you ever hear of Jehovah's Witnesses being involved with WW1, WW2 or any wars since then?

Did Muslims fight in the wars or did they not?
You're going to rope yourself today

Yeah I know JW did not fight because you guys have been told by your Elders not to defend your honour, Family and Lives. That is what your Elders says. Is that what the Bible says? Jehovah taught David hands to war abi you never read that part yet or una don edit am? Jesus asked his disciples to sell garments and buy swords! Here are 2 SWORDS! Some says and Jesus said "it is enough" Enough for what? At least DEFENCE.

Yeah you did not fight because your Elders say so and not what the Bible says. You can "see the Lies and Manipulations" now? Abi you need Specs?

DappaD:
Still going round and round in circles I see.

You mean you can "see" me going round and round in circles? And you can't see that your elders word has more weight than what the Bible says?

Lukuluku69:
Islam teaches many many many things. From Theology, commerce, Laws, Nature etc. So, be specific and if it is Spirituality, it springs forth from the Belief in Oneness of the Godhead, following His commandments, the Dos and Don'ts.

My question again "is there light in any religious debate between unbelievers (none Muslims)?"

Answer using the Qur'an not your own mindset!

Lukuluku69:
Yeah I know JW did not fight because you guys have been told by your Elders not to defend your honour, Family and Lives. That is what your Elders says. Is that what the Bible says? Jehovah taught David hands to war abi you never read that part yet or una don edit am? Jesus asked his disciples to sell garments and buy swords! Here are 2 SWORDS! Some says and Jesus said "it is enough" Enough for what? At least DEFENCE.

Yeah you did not fight because your Elders say so and not what the Bible says. You can "see the Lies and Manipulations" now? Abi you need Specs?

When Jesus told his disciples to equip themselves with swords at Luke 22:36, he did not have DEFENSE or PROTECTION in mind .
Jesus is known to teach through lessons. That's why later that night when Peter used the sword to cut off the ear of the slave Malchus, Jesus told Peter to “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword” — Matthew 26:52 to further teach Peter and his disciples that they must be “no part of the world” John 17:16

So you see that's how Jehovah's Witnesses learn the truth from the Bible — we take into consideration the context and the message. Something that you will never see any other group claiming Christian do.
Jehovah's Witnesses intend to imitate the examples of Jesus and his disciples by keeping ourselves “without spot from the world” — James 1:27
And that's why you'll never see Jehovah's Witnesses participate in war or war-related circumstances because we know from the Bible that God will bring an end to all the wars and we ourselves have demonstrated that by not going to war — Psalm 46:9, Isaiah 2:4

Lukuluku69:
No wonder you left the True Faith. You never understood the basics! Our Prophet was/is for ALL PEOPLE and not for "the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel".

Again about seeing Light/s in debate, while you were Muslims you never come across verses where the Quran extols the virtues of Nations and men before Muhammad? Was Solat enjoined on them?

Well then let's sum it all up, going by your disposition that spiritual light can be found in any Religion not only in Islam.
That's why i abandon Islam for the ultimate as in True Christianity.

Maximus69:
My question again "is there light in any religious debate between unbelievers (none Muslims)?"

Answer using the Qur'an not your own mindset!

When a Kafir affirms to another Kafir that Jesus, the son of Mary is no more than a Prophet sent to the Lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then we acknowledge the Truth of that statement.

Do you get? When a Kafir confirms the Truth of the Quran, we acknowlege it.

Lukuluku69:
When a Kafir affirms to another Kafir that Jesus, the son of Mary is no more than a Prophet sent to the Lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then we acknowledge the Truth of that statement.

Do you get? When a Kafir confirms the Truth of the Quran, we acknowlege it.

@ bolded!

I thought you said the guys statement has nothing to do with Allah, Muhammad, Islam or Qur'an nah!

So what truth of the Qur'an appeared in rottennaija's post?

TATIME:
Well then let's sum it all up, going by your disposition that spiritual light can be found in any Religion not only in Islam.
That's why i abandon Islam for the ultimate as in True Christianity.

To you your Toughts/actions and to me, mine. You answer to your Lord on the Day ALL ACCOUNTS are to be settled.

Maximus69:
@ bolded!

I thought you said the guys statement has nothing to do with Allah, Muhammad, Islam or Qur'an nah!

So what truth of the Qur'an appeared in rottennaija's post?

I guess then that you have never come across the Quranic verse that says "The Christians have taken their Pastors/Elders etc as Lords(a paraphrase) in that they follow their commands leaving what God commands? Was that not what the guy alleged? Let me look for the verse and post.

Lukuluku69:
Yeah I know JW did not fight because you guys have been told by your Elders not to defend your honour, Family and Lives. That is what your Elders says. Is that what the Bible says? Jehovah taught David hands to war abi you never read that part yet or una don edit am? Jesus asked his disciples to sell garments and buy swords! Here are 2 SWORDS! Some says and Jesus said "it is enough" Enough for what? At least DEFENCE.

Yeah you did not fight because your Elders say so and not what the Bible says. You can "see the Lies and Manipulations" now? Abi you need Specs?

@ bolded!

Did you know that David and other Israelite warriors were fighting against the enemies of Jerusalem where pure worship was established back then?
Well for your information God's people must not attack or fight against those who believe in their God!
But after the establishment of Christianity the Faith was taken far and near so if a Christian in Togo should join the Togolese army against the Nigerian army, then believers in the same God will start killing themselves at the order of greedy politicians.
Note that Iraq and Iran are Muslim countries yet Allah failed to settle the dispute between these two nations filled with people always bowing to him, Muslims continue to kill Muslims, Muslims protecting their Muslim families from fellow Muslims, Muslims burning and bombing fellow Muslims.
I'm sorry as a soldier it appears to me like there is no God call by that name because worshipers of the same God supposed to be working for the peace, security and lives of fellow believers not destroying it.
Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) knew this that's why we have surrendered all harmful weapons in order to ensue peace, so we won't have to take up weapons and start killing fellow believers with whom we sang and prayed to the same God!

I think that's an opportunity to show you the stupidity in Islam!

Maximus69:
@ bolded!

I thought you said the guys statement has nothing to do with Allah, Muhammad, Islam or Qur'an nah!

So what truth of the Qur'an appeared in rottennaija's post?

Quran 9:31

Maximus69:
@ bolded!

Did you know that David and other Israelite warriors were fighting against the enemies of Jerusalem where pure worship was established back then?
Well for your information God's people must not attack or fight against those who believe in their God!
But after the establishment of Christianity the Faith was taken far and near so if a Christian in Togo should join the Togolese army against the Nigerian army, then believers in the same God will start killing themselves at the order of greedy politicians.
Note that Iraq and Iran are Muslim countries yet Allah failed to settle the dispute between these two nations filled with people always bowing to him, Muslims continue to kill Muslims, Muslims protecting their Muslim families from fellow Muslims, Muslims burning and bombing fellow Muslims.
I'm sorry as a soldier it appears to me like there is no God call by that name because worshipers of the same God supposed to be working for the peace, security and lives of fellow believers not destroying it.
Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) knew this that's why we have surrendered all harmful weapons in order to ensue peace, so we won't have to take up weapons and start killing fellow believers with whom we sang and prayed to the same God!

I think that's an opportunity to show you the stupidity in Islam!

Most Arab nations are against Saudi Arabia for supporting the West and even within themselves their is wars. So what is the essence of calling and bowing to a God who can't even protect his worshipers from the anger of his own worshipers?
It would have made little sense if a Muslim is praying to Allah to protect him from those who had no regards for Allah, but how will a Muslim pray to Allah when his adversaries or enemies are fellow worshipers of the same Allah?

Maximus69:
@ bolded!

Did you know that David and other Israelite warriors were fighting against the enemies of Jerusalem where pure worship was established back then?
Well for your information God's people must not attack or fight against those who believe in their God!
But after the establishment of Christianity the Faith was taken far and near so if a Christian in Togo should join the Togolese army against the Nigerian army, then believers in the same God will start killing themselves at the order of greedy politicians.
Note that Iraq and Iran are Muslim countries yet Allah failed to settle the dispute between these two nations filled with people always bowing to him, Muslims continue to kill Muslims, Muslims protecting their Muslim families from fellow Muslims, Muslims burning and bombing fellow Muslims.
I'm sorry as a soldier it appears to me like there is no God call by that name because worshipers of the same God supposed to be working for the peace, security and lives of fellow believers not destroying it.
Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) knew this that's why we have surrendered all harmful weapons in order to ensue peace, so we won't have to take up weapons and start killing fellow believers with whom we sang and prayed to the same God!

I think that's an opportunity to show you the stupidity in Islam!

Oh dear! When Moses went killing was it in Jerusalem? Did he ever get to Jerusalem? David never went to Jerusalem Oga Ignorant you.

Lukuluku69:
Quran 9:31

Please read what Muhammad told his gullible followers that couldn't save them from fellow Muslims when common politicians instigates them to start killing themselves!

Lukuluku69:
Oh dear! When Moses went killing was it in Jerusalem? Did he ever get to Jerusalem? David never went to Jerusalem Oga Ignorant you.

The point here is those who want to worship God can't pray to him for help to kill fellow worshipers in other lands!
For instance, before a Muslim kill an enemy he'll say "please God separate me from the Devil (the victim)" please if you carry weapons to fight against another country, you'll say the same even when you're sure the enemy soldier is your brother in Islam shey?

Maximus69:
Please read what Muhammad told his gullible followers that couldn't save them from fellow Muslims when common politicians instigates them to start killing themselves!

Please is it true that forgers of the Quran took excerpts from the Bible to construct their book?

DappaD:
Please is it true that forgers of the Quran took excerpts from the Bible to construct their book?

Muhammad was a pauper, he became a servant of Kadijat (a lady Marchant) he used to travel with his lady to trade centers like Rome and Jerusalem, that's how he came in contact with Judaists and Kadijat was a Catholic.
Muhammad fabricated everything our of what he gathered from Judaism, Roman Catholic, Buddhists and other pagan trade centers he travels to with his lady merchant (Kadijat).
Kadijat notice how reserved Muhammad is so she seduced the young guy and after the illicit affair between Kadijat (40 years) and Muhammad (25) they legalized their union.
That's how Muhammad got his first wife but he continues to deceive Arabians saying God has called him. Most Arabs were laughing at the gigolo who married his boss. So Muhammad targeted their slaves, telling them "you're not slaves to anyone but God"
The slaves were willing to follow Muhammad who made them feel like his equal but what about their owners? That's what led him out of Mecca because the slave masters wanted their slaves back but Muhammad told the slaves to fight for their own freedom. So his first set of disciples were slaves, they never had any faith in Muhammad nor his fabricated God but in their liberty!
After the battle that claimed the lives of many from both sides the masters forsake their runaway slaves but most of other slaves began running away from their owners to join Muhammad as they are seeing how free those following him has become.
That's how he began deceiving them by disguising as someone who went in trance only to start mimicking whatever he could recollect in the things he gathered from Judaism, Catholic Church, Buddhists and other claiming it was revelations from Gabriel.
So what is the name of the God that sent the angel to Muhammad? He can't mention any of the deities inside the Kabah in Mecca neither should be mention the name of Jehovah the God of their enemy nation (Israel) so Muhammad just say his name is Allah (God).
That led to another confusion because God is just a title any there were many deities known by that title, that's why Muhammad began relating the story that he can't remember in a chronological order. If you have the time, please download a soft copy of the Qur'an and start reading, you'll notice how confused the one relating the story is!
So Muhammad fabricated the whole thing, but in the land of the blinds an eyed man is their King, since he has travelled with his sugar mommy (Kadijat) who was enjoying the warmth of a younger man with whom he (Muhammad) got all these half baked information while traveling for business!

I warned Lukmon to allow the sleeping dog lie but he just continued until the can of worms in his beloved Religion is exposed!

The stupid fool who can't distinguish between wars that's based on faith and that which is caused by greed.

Òpònú Olódo!

TATIME:
Muhammad was a pauper, he became a servant of Kadijat (a lady Marchant) he used to travel with his lady to trade centers like Rome and Jerusalem, that's how he came in contact with Judaists and Kadijat was a Catholic.
Muhammad fabricated everything our of what he gathered from Judaism, Roman Catholic, Buddhists and other pagan trade centers he travels to with his lady merchant (Kadijat).
Kadijat notice how reserved Muhammad is so she seduced the young guy and after the illicit affair between Kadijat (40 years) and Muhammad (25) they legalized their union.
That's how Muhammad got his first wife but he continues to deceive Arabians saying God has called him. Most Arabs were laughing at the gigolo who married his boss. So Muhammad targeted their slaves, telling them "you're not slaves to anyone but God"
The slaves were willing to follow Muhammad who made them feel like his equal but what about their owners? That's what led him out of Mecca because the slave masters wanted their slaves back but Muhammad told the slaves to fight for their own freedom. So his first set of disciples were slaves, they never had any faith in Muhammad nor his fabricated God but in their liberty!
After the battle that claimed the lives of many from both sides the masters forsake their runaway slaves but most of other slaves began running away from their owners to join Muhammad as they are seeing how free those following him has become.
That's how he began deceiving them by disguising as someone who went in trance only to start mimicking whatever he could recollect in the things he gathered from Judaism, Catholic Church, Buddhists and other claiming it was revelations from Gabriel.
So what is the name of the God that sent the angel to Muhammad? He can't mention any of the deities inside the Kabah in Mecca neither should be mention the name of Jehovah the God of their enemy nation (Israel) so Muhammad just say his name is Allah (God).
That led to another confusion because God is just a title any there were many deities known by that title, that's why Muhammad began relating the story that he can't remember in a chronological order. If you have the time, please download a soft copy of the Qur'an and start reading, you'll notice how confused the one relating the story is!
So Muhammad fabricated the whole thing, but in the land of the blinds an eyed man is their King, since he has travelled with his sugar mommy (Kadijat) who was enjoying the warmth of a younger man with whom he (Muhammad) got all these half baked information while traveling for business!

Maximus69:
I warned Lukmon to allow the sleeping dog lie but he just continued until the can of worms in his beloved Religion is exposed!

The stupid fool who can't distinguish between wars that's based on faith and that which is caused by greed.

Òpònú Olódo!

He simply need to know that facts matters not just mere fabricated folktales of no virtuous repute!

TATIME:
He simply need to know that facts matters not just mere fabricated folktales of no virtuous repute!

I'm sure he knows his boundaries now!

TATIME:
Muhammad was a pauper, he became a servant of Kadijat (a lady Marchant) he used to travel with his lady to trade centers like Rome and Jerusalem, that's how he came in contact with Judaists and Kadijat was a Catholic.
Muhammad fabricated everything our of what he gathered from Judaism, Roman Catholic, Buddhists and other pagan trade centers he travels to with his lady merchant (Kadijat).
Kadijat notice how reserved Muhammad is so she seduced the young guy and after the illicit affair between Kadijat (40 years) and Muhammad (25) they legalized their union.
That's how Muhammad got his first wife but he continues to deceive Arabians saying God has called him. Most Arabs were laughing at the gigolo who married his boss. So Muhammad targeted their slaves, telling them "you're not slaves to anyone but God"
The slaves were willing to follow Muhammad who made them feel like his equal but what about their owners? That's what led him out of Mecca because the slave masters wanted their slaves back but Muhammad told the slaves to fight for their own freedom. So his first set of disciples were slaves, they never had any faith in Muhammad nor his fabricated God but in their liberty!
After the battle that claimed the lives of many from both sides the masters forsake their runaway slaves but most of other slaves began running away from their owners to join Muhammad as they are seeing how free those following him has become.
That's how he began deceiving them by disguising as someone who went in trance only to start mimicking whatever he could recollect in the things he gathered from Judaism, Catholic Church, Buddhists and other claiming it was revelations from Gabriel.
So what is the name of the God that sent the angel to Muhammad? He can't mention any of the deities inside the Kabah in Mecca neither should be mention the name of Jehovah the God of their enemy nation (Israel) so Muhammad just say his name is Allah (God).
That led to another confusion because God is just a title any there were many deities known by that title, that's why Muhammad began relating the story that he can't remember in a chronological order. If you have the time, please download a soft copy of the Qur'an and start reading, you'll notice how confused the one relating the story is!
So Muhammad fabricated the whole thing, but in the land of the blinds an eyed man is their King, since he has travelled with his sugar mommy (Kadijat) who was enjoying the warmth of a younger man with whom he (Muhammad) got all these half baked information while traveling for business!

The origin of Islam summarised
No wonder the entire association of Muslims are in TOTAL confusion

“BY THEIR FRUITS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM” — These words of Jesus should be echoing in the mind of any right thinking person! (Matthew 7:16,20)

DappaD:
The origin of Islam summarised
No wonder the entire association of Muslims are in TOTAL confusion

“BY THEIR FRUITS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM” — These words of Jesus should be echoing in the mind of any right thinking person! (Matthew 7:16,20)

So how do you think people in such confusion can understand the word "LOVE"?

A gigolo gathered rebellious runaway slaves, and any right thinking person wish there could be something worthwhile that can come out of such background!

After the death of Muhammad, there was an internal dispute amongst his closest disciples over who will take over leadership of the group just as Jesus' followers tried doing before his death. But unlike Jesus' disciples who were asked to serve one another, Muhammad's followers began killing one another until they all agreed that each group should follow it's own sheikh (general). That's why we have different ideas in Islam apart from the five necessary things they noticed Muhammad doing.
Ask then question on how many wives a man should marry?
How should a woman dress in the public?
Should a man grow beard, and how bushy?
There are countless contradictions amongst them due to what each of those generals holds vital.
Muhammad himself died at age 64 after all his male children had died during battle, he was survived by just one daughter (Fatima) who also died six months after Muhammad.
He performed not one single miracle (sign) yet he taught his gullible followers that God has chosen him as the last Prophet whereas he is not related to the other Prophets prior to him who were all Israelites!

@Lukuluku69

See Islamic nation where the ladies must cover all their bodies so as not to appear seductive, but can drink whiskey (alcohol), smoke weeds and practice prostitution!

Maximus69:
@Lukuluku69

See Islamic nation where the ladies must cover all their bodies so as not to appear seductive, but can drink whiskey (alcohol), smoke weeds and practice prostitution!

He just think the Arabian religion the Fulanis forced down the throats of his ancestors was the right religion!
He wants to talk about light when an Apostate is posting rumours against a well organized and orderly religious group where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns!

I wonder what he was thinking when he said to me "you left the true faith", so Islam with all the killings even amongst fellow believers is the true faith abi?

Perhaps he's just a teenager Sha!

TATIME:
He just think the Arabian religion the Fulanis forced down the throats of his ancestors was the right religion!
He wants to talk about light when an Apostate is posting rumours against a well organized and orderly religious group where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns!

I wonder what he was thinking when he said to me "you left the true faith", so Islam with all the killings even amongst fellow believers is the true faith abi?

Perhaps he's just a teenager Sha!

This Lukuluku69 ehn, I've never seen such heightened stupidity portrayed by a human before.
The same Lukuluku69 even attempted to guilt trip JW's because we don't participate in wars – he went ahead to say

it's the elders who brainwash JW's to not to go to war

– something he tagged ‘LIES and Manipulations’ . But when I showed him that it's the Bible that's guiding all of us JW's so we don't to engage in war(Psalm 46:9, Isaiah 2:4, Matthew 26:52), the young man has kept mute and refused to respond to me ever since.

DappaD:
This Lukuluku69 ehn, I've never seen such heightened stupidity portrayed by a human before.
The same Lukuluku69 even attempted to guilt trip JW's because we don't participate in wars – he went ahead to say – something he tagged ‘LIES and Manipulations’ . But when I showed him that it's the Bible that's guiding all of us JW's so we don't to engage in war(Psalm 46:9, Isaiah 2:4, Matthew 26:52), the young man has kept mute and refused to respond to me ever since.

No oooooooooooo!
He's not a young man o!

Lukuluku means Lukmon who was born in the year 1969!

His problem is in Islam, as long as anyone is trying to go deeper in Islam you'll start seeing the stupidity in such a person even though he's advanced in age and educated, Islam will blur his mentality completely!

DappaD:
This Lukuluku69 ehn, I've never seen such heightened stupidity portrayed by a human before.
The same Lukuluku69 even attempted to guilt trip JW's because we don't participate in wars – he went ahead to say – something he tagged ‘LIES and Manipulations’ . But when I showed him that it's the Bible that's guiding all of us JW's so we don't to engage in war(Psalm 46:9, Isaiah 2:4, Matthew 26:52), the young man has kept mute and refused to respond to me ever since.

Muslims are the most dumb set of religionsists ever! How can someone from a race tell me someone is a prophet of a God who often call himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) when such a prophet is not related to the lineage?
Then you're now telling me that he is the prophet God sent to all other races including mine, but there is no evidence, no miracles no signs other than a fabricated book written by the same person!
And to worsen matter adherents of this Religion don't have LOVE for fellow members, once the love for racism comes to mind the next thing is our dear FAITH is of no importance anymore so we can start killing one another!

If that's how worship should be, why not kuku continue worshiping the deities of our black ancestors? After all there was relative peace and order in our land before these books were brought to us?

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have removed hatred and racism from the heart of all those adhering to their Faith, you want to tell me that one is false but Islam that can't even solve the dispute between Iraq and Iran who are two die-hard Islamic countries is now preferred!

Please Maximus tell me you're joking, Lukuluku69 can't be that advanced in age!

TATIME:
Muslims are the most dumb set of religionsists ever! How can someone from a race tell me someone is a prophet of a God who often call himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) when such a prophet is not related to the lineage?
Then you're now telling me that he is the prophet God sent to all other races including mine, but there is no evidence, no miracles no signs other than a fabricated book written by the same person!
And to worsen matter adherents of this Religion don't have LOVE for fellow members, once the love for racism comes to mind the next thing is our dear FAITH is of no importance anymore so we can start killing one another!

If that's how worship should be, why not kuku continue worshiping the deities of our black ancestors? After all there was relative peace and order in our land before these books were brought to us?

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have removed hatred and racism from the heart of all those adhering to their Faith, you want to tell me that one is false but Islam that can't even solve the dispute between Iraq and Iran who are two die-hard Islamic countries is now preferred!

Please Maximus tell me you're joking, Lukuluku69 can't be that advanced in age!

So you would have preferred the Blackman's deities instead of this Arabian Allah shey?

OK ooooo

Maximus69:
So you would have preferred the Blackman's deities instead of this Arabian Allah shey?

OK ooooo

Those are the works of creative arts, perhaps the Arabians have forgotten that Africans are better artists when it comes to creative works!
These are the names our forefathers knew before the Arabians and Catholics came to disrupt the relative peace in Africa.
Please what is the difference between all these legendary deities and Arabian Allah?

Because worshipers of these deities do settle disputes amongst themselves by relying on their gods to judge whoever is on the wrong. But this Arabian Allah can't kill a fly, it's the worshipers that goes about forcing people to join them in the worship of a useless, sadistic, bloodsucking god that can't even make peace reign amongst it's adherents!