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TATIME:
Muslims are the most dumb set of religionsists ever! How can someone from a race tell me someone is a prophet of a God who often call himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) when such a prophet is not related to the lineage?
Then you're now telling me that he is the prophet God sent to all other races including mine, but there is no evidence, no miracles no signs other than a fabricated book written by the same person!
And to worsen matter adherents of this Religion don't have LOVE for fellow members, once the love for racism comes to mind the next thing is our dear FAITH is of no importance anymore so we can start killing one another!

If that's how worship should be, why not kuku continue worshiping the deities of our black ancestors? After all there was relative peace and order in our land before these books were brought to us?

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have removed hatred and racism from the heart of all those adhering to their Faith, you want to tell me that one is false but Islam that can't even solve the dispute between Iraq and Iran who are two die-hard Islamic countries is now preferred!

Please Maximus tell me you're joking, Lukuluku69 can't be that advanced in age!

I think the Muhammad even made an erroneous claim that he was a fleshly descendant of Ishmael
These religious clowns

DappaD:
I think the Muhammad even made an erroneous claim that he was a fleshly descendant of Ishmael
These religious clowns

That's just the mouth to mouth tales that people often tell their children nah, even here in Africa we have such tales but since there is nothing like documentation people just kept fabricating the stories.
Muhammad must have heard that he descended from the linage of Ishmael (Abraham's first child) so after learning from the Jews about the promise of a saviour through whom the earth will be saved, the guy put it upon himself that he must be that promised child, so he wish Jesus is just a prophet like any other in order for him to be the promised Prophet Moses foretold.

But could it truly be Muhammad?

First of all God's angel told Hagai Ishmael's mother that her child and his generations will be terrorists {Genesis 16:11-12} God told Abraham not to think of Ishmael as the child through whom the promised saviour will be born {Genesis 18-21} So even if Muhammad truthfully descended through Ishmael, God said it's not through that lineage that the saviour will be born and that Ishmael's race will be terrorists!


Secondly Moses actually told the Israelites who are the descendants of Isaac not Ishmael that it's from amongst their brothers that the saviour will be born, and that the foretold prophet will be like him (Moses). Moses served as a prophet and as a God in his lifetime {Exodus 7:1} so Isaiah foretold that the promised Messiah will also serve as God {Isaiah 9:6}

Lastly God supported Moses before asking him to present himself before the Israelites and Pharaoh with great signs just as Jesus also performed signs as the evidence that God sent them. Muhammad never performed a single sign and never lived an exemplary life. So it's preposterous saying he could ever be the one sent by Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Though i'm not doubting if a god sent him just like GuruMaharaji at Ibadan but i'm certain certain that it's not the God of Abraham who sent Muhammad!

Maximus69:
That's just the mouth to mouth tales that people often tell their children nah, even here in Africa we have such tales but since there is nothing like documentation people just kept fabricating the stories.
Muhammad must have heard that he descended from the linage of Ishmael (Abraham's first child) so after learning from the Jews about the promise of a saviour through whom the earth will be saved, the guy put it upon himself that he must be that promised child, so he wish Jesus is just a prophet like any other in order for him to be the promised Prophet Moses foretold.

But could it truly be Muhammad?

First of all God's angel told Hagai Ishmael's mother that her child and his generations will be terrorists {Genesis 16:11-12} God told Abraham not to think of Ishmael as the child through whom the promised saviour will be born {Genesis 18-21} So even if Muhammad truthfully descended through Ishmael, God said it's not through that lineage that the saviour will be born and that Ishmael's race will be terrorists!


Secondly Moses actually told the Israelites who are the descendants of Isaac not Ishmael that it's from amongst their brothers that the saviour will be born, and that the foretold prophet will be like him (Moses). Moses served as a prophet and as a God in his lifetime {Exodus 7:1} so Isaiah foretold that the promised Messiah will also serve as God {Isaiah 9:6}

Lastly God supported Moses before asking him to present himself before the Israelites and Pharaoh with great signs just as Jesus also performed signs as the evidence that God sent them. Muhammad never performed a single sign and never lived an exemplary life. So it's preposterous saying he could ever be the one sent by Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Though i'm not doubting if a god sent him just like GuruMaharaji at Ibadan but i'm certain certain that it's not the God of Abraham who sent Muhammad!

I've given thought to the words in italics before now.
Jehovah specifically said he would establish his covenant with Isaac, Abraham's son(Genesis 17:21)
It would be presumptuous on Muhammad's part(that is, if he was truly Ishmael's descendant) to think he was part of that covenant in some way because God didn't say he would establish any covenant with Ishmael — just that He would make Ishmael into a great nation(Genesis 17:20)

Well if indeed Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, it should be noted that he's fulfilling prophecy of Jehovah at Genesis 16:12 – that Ishmael and his descendants would live in hostility with each other as brothers. But it should be further noted that Muhammad and the rest of his forged religion have no connection whatsoever with the Almighty God, Jehovah.

DappaD:
I've given thought to the words in italics before now.
Jehovah specifically said he would establish his covenant with Isaac, Abraham's son(Genesis 17:21)
It would be presumptuous on Muhammad's part(that is, if he was truly Ishmael's descendant) to think he was part of that covenant in some way because God didn't say he would establish any covenant with Ishmael — just that He would make Ishmael into a great nation(Genesis 17:20)

Well if indeed Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, it should be noted that he's fulfilling prophecy of Jehovah at Genesis 16:12 – that Ishmael and his descendants would live in hostility with each other as brothers. But it should be further noted that Muhammad and the rest of his forged religion have no connection whatsoever with the Almighty God, Jehovah.

I've discussed all these with Lukuluku69 before, and when i noticed how irritated he became i quit the chat and ever since then i've been avoiding him. Because i know how Muslims do become when you tell them what you know about their religion. They'll come trying to challenge you in a debate about faith even when you try to avoid them, they'll continue pestering you,but when you open up they'll become so aggresive!

You'll notice how he called me out as if the post has anything to do with his faith, i even tried to make him feel free that this has nothing to do with his Islam but he persisted until he disgraced himself!

Lukuluku69:
Maximus69, this guy here ^^^explains it. He saw the Light and left your CULT.

Lukuluku69 is silent now!

Maximus69:
Lukuluku69 is silent now!

He just entered one chance!

How can you say someone saw the light, when in actual fact he's only complaining about his former Religion?
I thought seeing the light means seeing something better, but rottennaija never mention any better group even your own Islam, so how come you say "He said he light"?

That's what i expected him to emphasize at least we will be able to see that light not just complaint that's found in virtually all forms of worship!

Maximus69:
All you just need is calm down and listen to other people opinions on the matter!

Jesus didn't resurrect with flesh, but if you're not willing to listen it's OK, go and continue with your FAITH!

God's word said flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God {1Corinthians 15:50} but Jesus went to heaven with the that visible fleshy body.

God's word said during the resurrection it is sown physically and resurrected spiritually {1Corinthians 15:44} it is sown corruptible but raised incorruptible {1Corinthians 15:50} Jesus live with his disciples for many years but after his resurrection they began seeing different bodies hardly recognisable! John 20:15-16; Luke 24:15-16

So if some Bible scholars now said Jesus was never resurrected with his physical body, that doesn't mean they don't believe in his resurrection. What they're saying is exactly what Jesus himself said about the resurrection of those who will go to heaven, Jesus said they're not expected to continue with physical bodies because they will become like angels in heaven {Luke 20:34-36}
So why did he have to appear in a material body?

Know first of all that his followers have to go and preach about the resurrection from the death in Jesus name, so that can't make any sense if they haven't been convinced that Jesus himself is now alive (in the spirit).
He said he will be with them till the end {Matthew 28:20} so how can they be sure of this if they don't see him again after his death?

Before then, angels used materialised bodies in ancient times have done all what Jesus did after his resurrection. They ate physical food {Genesis 18:8} they can hold people {Genesis 19:16} they can appear and disappear!
So we can say Jesus needed the materialised body to instill in the minds of his followers who at that time still had little faith that he is now alive, but from all indication Jesus only materialised bodies that will sooth each point he wanted to prove. That's why he asked Thomas to stick his finger into the wounds and his side, of course at resurrection, Jesus supposed to have perfect body without wounds inflicted before his death. That's what he himself taught us about resurrection!

You're just confusing yourself. The body Jesus resurrected with is flesh and incorruptible. You even quoted it, yet you're dancing around.

1 Corinth 15:44 is very clear, stop misqouting and twisting it. The Bible tells us that when Jesus shall come, within the twinkling of an eye we in this corruptible flesh shall be changed into incorruptible body, to meet him in the air. It is not a Spirit.

It's not true that Jesus was manifesting different bodies after resurrection, please stop adding to the scripture what is not there.

The question I asked you was, if Jesus didn't rise with physical body, why did he bear the injuries sustained at crucifixion, and why would he present it as an evidence to his disciples?.

The angels of old you talked about that ate human food, did they do so as spirits or in flesh, so what's your point?. Jesus who is Spirit, came in the form of man and maintained that state even after death, but after resurrection, he had a glorified body which is incorruptible.

Go, and read John chapter 20 again. Read from the bigining, after Jesus rose from the dead physically in flesh, the first person to meet him was Mary, he forbade her from touching him, why?. Could she touch a ghost?.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God means a totally different thing from what you're saying. We're all human beings in the flesh, yet some of us are reffered to as spiritual, while others are natural -1 Corinth 2:14.

You cannot inherit the kingdom of God by using the wisdom of men and standards set by natural men. It has to be by the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit, that was why, before Jesus ascended into heaven, he warned his disciples not to go anywhere until they be filled with the Holy Spirit, which he had promised to send, why?. Because he knew they cannot succeed without Him(Holy Spirit).

How come Jesus made this promise, yet you still say that that person of the Holy Spirit doesn't exist?. You don't belive in Jesus then!. Simple!.

Primesky:
You're just confusing yourself. The body Jesus resurrected with is flesh and incorruptible. You even quoted it, yet you're dancing around.

1 Corinth 15:44 is very clear, stop misqouting and twisting it. The Bible tells us that when Jesus shall come, within the twinkling of an eye we in this corruptible flesh shall be changed into incorruptible body, to meet him in the air. It is not a Spirit.

It's not true that Jesus was manifesting different bodies after resurrection, please stop adding to the scripture what is not there.

The question I asked you was, if Jesus didn't rise with physical body, why did he bear the injuries sustained at crucifixion, and why would he present it as an evidence to his disciples?.

The angels of old you talked about that ate human food, did they do so as spirits or in flesh, so what's your point?. Jesus who is Spirit, came in the form of man and maintained that state even after death, but after resurrection, he had a glorified body which is incorruptible.

Go, and read John chapter 20 again. Read from the bigining, after Jesus rose from the dead physically in flesh, the first person to meet him was Mary, he forbade her from touching him, why?. Could she touch a ghost?.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God means a totally different thing from what you're saying. We're all human beings in the flesh, yet some of us are reffered to as spiritual, while others are natural -1 Corinth 2:14.

You cannot inherit the kingdom of God by using the wisdom of men and standards set by natural men. It has to be by the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit, that was why, before Jesus ascended into heaven, he warned his disciples not to go anywhere until they be filled with the Holy Spirit, which he had promised to send, why?. Because he knew they cannot succeed without Him(Holy Spirit).

How come Jesus made this promise, yet you still say that that person of the Holy Spirit doesn't exist?. You don't belive in Jesus then!. Simple!.

Please this is the reason why JWs often avoid unnecessary arguments with other religionsists.

I believe Jesus never resurrected with the flesh but you do, the bottom line here is Jesus was resurrected and his alife now!

So if you believe he was raised with the flesh but i believe he was raised in the spirit, there shouldn't be any contention over that.

Do you believe in the son of God name Jesus?
Do you believe he died for our sins?
Do you believe he was resurrected?

I think the answer to these three questions is "YES" from both of us, so any further explanation is based on doctrines which of course has never been the same in the churches so there is no need arguing.

God bless you!

Maximus69:
Please this is the reason why JWs often avoid unnecessary arguments with other religionsists.

I believe Jesus never resurrected with the flesh but you do, the bottom line here is Jesus was resurrected and his alife now!

So if you believe he was raised with the flesh but i believe he was raised in the spirit, there shouldn't be any contention over that.

Do you believe in the son of God name Jesus?
Do you believe he died for our sins?
Do you believe he was resurrected?

I think the answer to these three questions is "YES" from both of us, so any further explanation is based on doctrines which of course has never been the same in the churches so there is no need arguing.

God bless you!

I wonder o!

If you should ask Adeboye, Olukoya, TB Joshua Kumuyi, Oyakilome, Oritshejafor, Oyedepo and the rest this same question, their explanations can never be the same but they all agreed Jesus died and was raised up.

Some of them just like dragging JWs into unnecessary arguments!

Primesky:
You're just confusing yourself. The body Jesus resurrected with is flesh and incorruptible. You even quoted it, yet you're dancing around.

1 Corinth 15:44 is very clear, stop misqouting and twisting it. The Bible tells us that when Jesus shall come, within the twinkling of an eye we in this corruptible flesh shall be changed into incorruptible body, to meet him in the air. It is not a Spirit.

It's not true that Jesus was manifesting different bodies after resurrection, please stop adding to the scripture what is not there.

The question I asked you was, if Jesus didn't rise with physical body, why did he bear the injuries sustained at crucifixion, and why would he present it as an evidence to his disciples?.

The angels of old you talked about that ate human food, did they do so as spirits or in flesh, so what's your point?. Jesus who is Spirit, came in the form of man and maintained that state even after death, but after resurrection, he had a glorified body which is incorruptible.

Go, and read John chapter 20 again. Read from the bigining, after Jesus rose from the dead physically in flesh, the first person to meet him was Mary, he forbade her from touching him, why?. Could she touch a ghost?.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God means a totally different thing from what you're saying. We're all human beings in the flesh, yet some of us are reffered to as spiritual, while others are natural -1 Corinth 2:14.

You cannot inherit the kingdom of God by using the wisdom of men and standards set by natural men. It has to be by the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit, that was why, before Jesus ascended into heaven, he warned his disciples not to go anywhere until they be filled with the Holy Spirit, which he had promised to send, why?. Because he knew they cannot succeed without Him(Holy Spirit).

How come Jesus made this promise, yet you still say that that person of the Holy Spirit doesn't exist?. You don't belive in Jesus then!. Simple!.

Please how can somebody put FLESH and INCORRUPTIBLE in the same sentence?
You religious clowns won't cease to amaze me

TATIME:
He just entered one chance!

How can you say someone saw the light, when in actual fact he's only complaining about his former Religion?
I thought seeing the light means seeing something better, but rottennaija never mention any better group even your own Islam, so how come you say "He said he light"?

That's what i expected him to emphasize at least we will be able to see that light not just complaint that's found in virtually all forms of worship!

Is religion or religious group light?

chatinent:
Please define what christianity means to you.

A relationship between God and a group of people, individually and collectively, who realised, at one point in their lives, that they were sinners, repented of their sins and received Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord; and upon doing that have the Holy Spirit come to in dwell them to help them grow daily, as they submit to Him to become more and more like Jesus, in thought, word and deed, and to wait, dead or alive, to be raptured to Heaven in the last days!

They are those born of God and of the Spirit! (John 3.1-18, 1.10-14) and new creation (2 Corinthians 5.17).

They are the Body of Christ, Church and Bride of the Bridegroom.

Are you one of them? If nor, please do!

omojeesu:
A relationship between God and a group of people, individually and collectively, who realised, at one point in their lives, that they were sinners, repented of their sins and received Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord; and upon doing that have the Holy Spirit come to in dwell them to help them grow daily, as they submit to Him to become more and more like Jesus, in thought, word and deed, and to wait, dead or alive, to be raptured to Heaven in the last days!

They are those born of God and of the Spirit! (John 3.1-18, 1.10-14) and new creation (2 Corinthians 5.17).

They are the Body of Christ, Church and Bride of the Bridegroom.

Are you one of them? If nor, please do!

Put simply, Christians are followers of Christ. They do all to emulate him wholly and his father Jehovah (a sovereign God with a name and creator of the universe). They exercise faith in his ransom sacrifice. What did Christ preach? God's Kingdom. They also preach it. Do you preach same too? Please do.

DappaD:
Please how can somebody put FLESH and INCORRUPTIBLE in the same sentence?
You religious clowns won't cease to amaze me

If you stay away from what you don't know or at least be humble enough to ask questions, will they change your name?. Always quick to utter invectives at others.

Before man sinned in the garden of Eden, was there corruption/death of the flesh of man?. Answer the question!.

Sin brought death to man and the world at large. Jesus brought life, and was the first to assume this new body by which also he promised those who believe in him that this will also be granted to them.

Tell us, would Adam and Eve have experienced death/corruption if they hadn't sinned against God's word, though they're were flesh. Answer this question before you shake off your head and call others clown.

TATIME:
He just entered one chance!

How can you say someone saw the light, when in actual fact he's only complaining about his former Religion?
I thought seeing the light means seeing something better, but rottennaija never mention any better group even your own Islam, so how come you say "He said he light"?

That's what i expected him to emphasize at least we will be able to see that light not just complaint that's found in virtually all forms of worship!

The guy saw the Light and left your Cult. He is still on Nairaland ask him yourself. The Moniker is rottenaija. Ask him what he saw.

Maximus69:
Lukuluku69 is silent now!

Your Organisation elders could not mute me when I was just out of Secondary School and you think their programmed bot can? Unlike you who camped out here peddling warped Doctrines, I have a real life to live.

Maximus69:
I've discussed all these with Lukuluku69 before, and when i noticed how irritated he became i quit the chat and ever since then i've been avoiding him. Because i know how Muslims do become when you tell them what you know about their religion. They'll come trying to challenge you in a debate about faith even when you try to avoid them, they'll continue pestering you,but when you open up they'll become so aggresive!

You'll notice how he called me out as if the post has anything to do with his faith, i even tried to make him feel free that this has nothing to do with his Islam but he persisted until he disgraced himself!

See LIES from the Stable of JW.Org! Please go back and bring forth such debate between you and I. About being disgraced, this much I can tell you: In that Name ISHMAELLAH lies your Salvation. For it was in him Abraham's prayer for a son and HEIR was answered. The name simply means "GOD HEARD"

HEARD what? Abraham's Prayer. So, claim victory in your warped Doctrines na your headache be that.

Lukuluku69:
The guy saw the Light and left your Cult. He is still on Nairaland ask him yourself. The Moniker is rottenaija. Ask him what he saw.

They know why. They just prefer to ignore it. They would rather which I had committed some sin so that it would go with the narrative that those who left them was to pursue an immoral life. They never really believed that someone can leave because the hypocrisy, the falsehood and false believes, because of the false prophecies, because of the profit driven true of the religion among other things. It doesn't flow with the narrative.

Primesky:
If you stay away from what you don't know or at least be humble enough to ask questions, will they change your name?. Always quick to utter invectives at others.

Before man sinned in the garden of Eden, was there corruption/death of the flesh of man?. Answer the question!.

Sin brought death to man and the world at large. Jesus brought life, and was the first to assume this new body by which also he promised those who believe in him that this will also be granted to them.

Tell us, would Adam and Eve have experienced death/corruption if they hadn't sinned against God's word, though they're were flesh. Answer this question before you shake off your head and call others clown.

Boss Primesky calm down let's discuss nah

1. Primesky : If you stay away from what you don't know or at least be humble enough to ask questions, will they change your name?. Always quick to utter invectives at others.

DappaD : When you tell me who made you owner of Nairaland, I won't quote you again. In as much as I may not know anything, like you said, there's absolutely nothing I can learn from you.




2. Primesky : Before man sinned in the garden of Eden, was there corruption/death of the flesh of man?. Answer the question!.

DappaD : Yes Adam, even though perfect, had a corruptible body.
However, his perfect body was not to decay/corrupt/die until he sinned. When he sinned, he became a slave to corruption. Then he passed on that “enslavement to corruption” to all his earthly descendants including you and I (Romans 5:12, 8:20-22)

Let me put it better to understand. When Adam sinned, he began aging and then sickness and other health issues spawned as well — which corresponds to this “enslavement to corruption” — Romans 8:20-22


3. Primesky : Sin brought death to man and the world at large. Jesus brought life, and was the first to assume this new body by which also he promised those who believe in him that this will also be granted to them.

DappaD : Yes yes you got it. Romans 5:12, John 3:16, 1John 5:13
On the matter of who gets the prize of immortality, that's a whole other discussion altogether.

Jehovah God has been immortal from time indefinite (Psalm 90:2,Timothy 1:17, Revelation 15:3)
Jesus after he conquered the world received the prize of immortality. (Romans 6:9) That's why he is the only other person other than Jehovah who has immortality (1Timothy 6:15,16 , Hebrews 7:15,16)
Only anointed Christians who number a 144,000 according to Revelation 7:4, 14:1-3 will receive the prize of immortality after they have conquered the world as well — 1Corinthians 15:42-54, Revelation 3:21 – so that the total number of 144,000 will rule as kings and priests along with Jesus in the Millennium (1Peter 1:3-4, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 1:6, 20:4,6)


4. Primesky : Tell us, would Adam and Eve have experienced death/corruption if they hadn't sinned against God's word, though they're were flesh. Answer this question before you shake off your head and call others clown.

DappaD : See Number 2.



BOTTOM LINE :
A PERFECT body isn't the same as an IMMORTAL body. A perfect body is not a slave to corruption. An imperfect body is a slave to corruption.
Meanwhile, an immortal body is indestructible and cannot see corruption whatsoever the case. That's why the angels in heaven aren't immortals. If the angels were immortals then it would impossible for Satan and his demons to be destroyed (Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8, Revelation 20:10)

TATIME:
Muslims are the most dumb set of religionsists ever! How can someone from a race tell me someone is a prophet of a God who often call himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) when such a prophet is not related to the lineage?
Then you're now telling me that he is the prophet God sent to all other races including mine, but there is no evidence, no miracles no signs other than a fabricated book written by the same person!
And to worsen matter adherents of this Religion don't have LOVE for fellow members, once the love for racism comes to mind the next thing is our dear FAITH is of no importance anymore so we can start killing one another!

If that's how worship should be, why not kuku continue worshiping the deities of our black ancestors? After all there was relative peace and order in our land before these books were brought to us?

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have removed hatred and racism from the heart of all those adhering to their Faith, you want to tell me that one is false but Islam that can't even solve the dispute between Iraq and Iran who are two die-hard Islamic countries is now preferred!

Please Maximus tell me you're joking, Lukuluku69 can't be that advanced in age!

According to your Bible, who fathered Ishmael?
Did the Bible EVER mentioned that Ishmael worshipped other God aside what his father taught him?
Was it EVER Recorded that Ishmael EVER rebel against his father?
Did you read in the Bible that Ishmael EVER go against God's command?
The problem with you guys is that you have been so brainwashed and blinded that you can't see beyond these Jewish Lies. Ishmael story was intentionally written out of the Bible by the Lying pen of the Jewish scribes and where he is mentioned, the story will be twisted to fit the Jewish narratives.

Maximus69:
I've discussed all these with Lukuluku69 before, and when i noticed how irritated he became i quit the chat and ever since then i've been avoiding him. Because i know how Muslims do become when you tell them what you know about their religion. They'll come trying to challenge you in a debate about faith even when you try to avoid them, they'll continue pestering you,but when you open up they'll become so aggresive!

You'll notice how he called me out as if the post has anything to do with his faith, i even tried to make him feel free that this has nothing to do with his Islam but he persisted until he disgraced himself!

And he just describes Jehovah's Witnesses.

Lukuluku69:
According to your Bible, who fathered Ishmael?
Did the Bible EVER mentioned that Ishmael worshipped other God aside what his father taught him?
Was it EVER Recorded that Ishmael EVER rebel against his father?
Did you read in the Bible that Ishmael EVER go against God's command?
The problem with you guys is that you have been so brainwashed and blinded that you can't see beyond these Jewish Lies. Ishmael story was intentionally written out of the Bible by the Lying pen of the Jewish scribes and where he is mentioned, the story will be twisted to fit the Jewish narratives.

Bros Lukaku 69
Jehovah God is not in any covenant with your forefather Ishmael (Genesis 17:21)
So it seems you're worshiping an unknown god that can't settle disputes between its adherents.

@bolded, it shows how far you can go to smear the Bible, which is the only inspired Word of God in order to elevate your forged religion.

TATIME:
He just think the Arabian religion the Fulanis forced down the throats of his ancestors was the right religion!
He wants to talk about light when an Apostate is posting rumours against a well organized and orderly religious group where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns!

I wonder what he was thinking when he said to me "you left the true faith", so Islam with all the killings even amongst fellow believers is the true faith abi?

Perhaps he's just a teenager Sha!

I know you are well programmed bot but it was not the Fulani's that brought Islam to the Yorubas.

So you guys do have Apostates too? Wonderful. You A Day is coming when you will be shown ALL that you posted here will either stand for against you. A Day when every Idle Speech/word will be accounted. Make your words soft against Prophets and the holy ones.

Lukuluku69:
According to your Bible, who fathered Ishmael?
Did the Bible EVER mentioned that Ishmael worshipped other God aside what his father taught him?
Was it EVER Recorded that Ishmael EVER rebel against his father?
Did you read in the Bible that Ishmael EVER go against God's command?
The problem with you guys is that you have been so brainwashed and blinded that you can't see beyond these Jewish Lies. Ishmael story was intentionally written out of the Bible by the Lying pen of the Jewish scribes and where he is mentioned, the story will be twisted to fit the Jewish narratives.

@bolded.
Actually according to God's Word, the Bible — the Ishmaelites were listed among the nations/tribes who hated Jehovah and his people.
Psalm 83:1,2,5,6
Verse 1 and 2
“O God, do not be silent; Do not keep quiet or still, O Divine One. For look! your enemies are in an uproar; Those who hate you act arrogantly. ”
Verse 5 and 6
“They devise a unified strategy; They have made an alliance against you—The tents of Eʹdom and the Ishʹma·el·ites , Moʹab and the Hagʹrites,.”

Please Lukuluku69 don't get angry that I'm using the Bible to disprove your claims

aDappaD:
Bros Lukaku 69
Jehovah God is not in any covenant with your forefather Ishmael (Genesis 17:21)
So it seems you're worshiping an unknown god that can't settle disputes between its adherents.

@bolded, it shows how far you can go to smear the Bible, which is the only inspired Word of God in order to elevate your forged religion.

You did not answer any of my poser perhaps attempt to answer them backed by Scriptures and not what some elders.

I repeat, who fathered Ishmael?
Was it recorded he worshipped other God aside his father God?
Any God commandment he broke?
Did he rebel against his father?
Let us start from there.

Lukuluku69:
You did not answer any of my poser perhaps attempt to answer them backed by Scriptures and not what some elders.

I repeat, who fathered Ishmael?
Was it recorded he worshipped other God aside his father God?
Any God commandment he broke?
Did he rebel against his father?
Let us start from there.

See my comment above yours.
Please it doesn't matter who fathered who here.
Isaac fathered both Esau(Edom) and Jacob.
Yet the Edomites are still listed among the haters of Jehovah and his people along with the Ishmaelites — Psalm 83:1,2,5,6

DappaD:
@bolded.
Actually according to God's Word, the Bible — the Ishmaelites were listed among the nations/tribes who hated Jehovah and his people.
Psalm 83:1,2,5,6
Verse 1 and 2
“O God, do not be silent; Do not keep quiet or still, O Divine One. For look! your enemies are in an uproar; Those who hate you act arrogantly. ”
Verse 5 and 6
“They devise a unified strategy; They have made an alliance against you—The tents of Eʹdom and the Ishʹma·el·ites , Moʹab and the Hagʹrites,.”

Please Lukuluku69 don't get angry that I'm using the Bible to disprove your claims

Don't conflate unrelated stuff. Ishmael and Ishmaelites are two different things. The former stands for Abraham's son while the latter stands for his descendants.

And I hope you know Edomites are descendants Esau: Issac son (Jacob's twin brother)
So, I ask again what was Ishmael offence with Jehovah?

The Bible was written by Jews they support their Nation against other Nation.

rottennaija:
Is religion or religious group light?

Never mind rottennaija, Lukuluku69 is a Muslim and he knew perfectly what Maximus69 is saying, note that they're both 69. The three of us were both Muslims before Maximus69 and i left for the truth. In Islam we learnt that before Muhammad came to the earth there was total darkness covering the whole earth.
But Muhammad brought the light which is Qur'an so when Lukuluku69 said you (rottennaija) "has seen the light" it's a taboo in Islam!

Lukuluku69:
The guy saw the Light and left your Cult. He is still on Nairaland ask him yourself. The Moniker is rottenaija. Ask him what he saw.

He never said he saw the light, he would have mentioned where the light he saw is presently. But since you (Muslim) are the one who said so i will assume you're just joking or mocking him because Allah never said there is spiritual light elsewhere apart from Islam!

TATIME:
Never mind rottennaija, Lukuluku69 is a Muslim and he knew perfectly what Maximus69 is saying, note that they're both 69. The three of us were both Muslims before Maximus69 and i left for the truth. In Islam we learnt that before Muhammad came to the earth there was total darkness covering the whole earth.
But Muhammad brought the light which is Qur'an so when Lukuluku69 said you (rottennaija) "has seen the light" it's a taboo in Islam!

I told you once that you never understood Islam while you claimed to be a Muslim I am adding that you be Oponu with the way you construe that "Darkness" that cover the earth just before the advent of The Prophet!

The Light I referred to in respect of rottenaija has to do with him seeing that the words of the elders at JW carry more weight than what the Bible says which is a running commentary on Quran 9:31 (you can google it).

As for that Darkness that was before the advent The Prophet was a Spiritual one. If you want to know more, just mention me.

Lukuluku69:
According to your Bible, who fathered Ishmael?
Did the Bible EVER mentioned that Ishmael worshipped other God aside what his father taught him?
Was it EVER Recorded that Ishmael EVER rebel against his father?
Did you read in the Bible that Ishmael EVER go against God's command?
The problem with you guys is that you have been so brainwashed and blinded that you can't see beyond these Jewish Lies. Ishmael story was intentionally written out of the Bible by the Lying pen of the Jewish scribes and where he is mentioned, the story will be twisted to fit the Jewish narratives.

God called himself the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob"

It means that God chose a linage out of the eight sons of Abraham which is Isaac, out of Isaac's two sons God chose Jacob.

But if you disagree with this concept please is he not the Creator of our own forefathers?

According to our ancestors they're also worshipers of the Almighty God (Olódùmarè)

Why must i worship him the way Abraham, Ishmael or Isaac worship him?

Why can't i worship the Creator the way our ancestors here in Africa did?

Why must it be the way Jews or Arab did?

Lukuluku69:
Don't conflate unrelated stuff. Ishmael and Ishmaelites are two different things. The former stands for Abraham's son while the latter stands for his descendants.

And I hope you know Edomites are descendants Esau: Issac son (Jacob's twin brother)
So, I ask again what was Ishmael offence with Jehovah?

The Bible was written by Jews they support their Nation against other Nation.

Bros Lukuluku69 that animosity that Ishmael had towards Isaac was carried on from generation to generation. Ishmael was fond of taunting Isaac, someone who God had established his covenant with. (Genesis 21:8,9)
This mistreatment that Ishmael had towards Isaac would go on for centuries to the point that the Psalmist had to record the Ishmaelites among the nations who hated Jehovah and his people (Psalm 83:1,2,5,6)

Well, the fact remains that the claim that Muhammad made concerning being a descendant of Ishmael will remain a CLAIM— as there's no evidence for such claims.
The fact that you keep lambasting God's Word just to elevate your forged religion highlights the irony of it all.