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Lukuluku69:
I told you once that you never understood Islam while you claimed to be a Muslim I am adding that you be Oponu with the way you construe that "Darkness" that cover the earth just before the advent of The Prophet!

The Light I referred to in respect of rottenaija has to do with him seeing that the words of the elders at JW carry more weight than what the Bible says which is a running commentary on Quran 9:31 (you can google it).

As for that Darkness that was before the advent The Prophet was a Spiritual one. If you want to know more, just mention me.

You're the one who said "rottennaija saw the light" perhaps you don't understand what Maximus69 said. Before you can say someone has seen the light it simply means he was in the dark so where is that light rottennaija saw?

TATIME:
He never said he saw the light, he would have mentioned where the light he saw is presently. But since you (Muslim) are the one who said so i will assume you're just joking or mocking him because Allah never said there is spiritual light elsewhere apart from Islam!

Go get the Quran in the Language you are comfortable with you will find therein where it is said repeatedly that " to every Nation, a Warner was sent with the message: worship God and do deeds of righteousness" Allah is the Lord of the Worlds and not only of Abraham, Issac and Jacobs. He sent Messenges to every Nation/tribes. So spiritual truth is elsewhere. But how do you envince this truth? Mention me.

Lukuluku69:
I told you once that you never understood Islam while you claimed to be a Muslim I am adding that you be Oponu with the way you construe that "Darkness" that cover the earth just before the advent of The Prophet!

The Light I referred to in respect of rottenaija has to do with him seeing that the words of the elders at JW carry more weight than what the Bible says which is a running commentary on Quran 9:31 (you can google it).

As for that Darkness that was before the advent The Prophet was a Spiritual one. If you want to know more, just mention me.

Don't mind them. He understood the context. They are just trying to muddy the water.

TATIME:
Never mind rottennaija, Lukuluku69 is a Muslim and he knew perfectly what Maximus69 is saying, note that they're both 69. The three of us were both Muslims before Maximus69 and i left for the truth. In Islam we learnt that before Muhammad came to the earth there was total darkness covering the whole earth.
But Muhammad brought the light which is Qur'an so when Lukuluku69 said you (rottennaija) "has seen the light" it's a taboo in Islam!

First of all, I understand the context of what he meant.
Secondly, I'll ask you again, is religion is religious group the light?
Third and most important, you and Maximus69 left for Jehovah's Witnesses, is Jehovah's Witnesses the truth?

Lukuluku69:
Go get the Quran in the Language you are comfortable with you will find therein where it is said repeatedly that "to every Nation, a Warner was sent with the message: worship God and do deeds of righteousness" Allah is the Lord of the Worlds and not only of Abraham, Issac and Jacobs. He sent Messenges to every Nation/tribes. So spiritual truth is elsewhere. But how do you envince this truth? Mention me.

The bolded is where we need understanding with clarity!

If that's true, then why are you an African worship the Almighty God in the way taught by the Prophet sent to Mecca and not those sent to your own race?

rottennaija:
First of all, I understand the context of what he meant.
Secondly, I'll ask you again, is religion is religious group the light?
Third and most important, you and Maximus69 left for Jehovah's Witnesses, is Jehovah's Witnesses the truth?

I'll speak for myself, i can't speak for someone else. From the spiritual darkness of Islam, i saw the light of truth amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why i joined them.

TATIME:
I'll speak for myself, i can't speak for someone else. From the spiritual darkness of Islam, i saw the light of truth amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why i joined them.

Oseé Oseé (Thank you very much) i can also speak for myself Sir!
Out of the shackles of darkness in Islam i saw the light amidst Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why i left Islam for the light.
But Lukuluku69 said "rottennaija saw the light" yet there was nothing to say about his present place of worship (where the light was found) at least if you see the light, it shouldn't be just complaint about the darkness because nobody needs that anymore, what we need now is that light!

TATIME:
The bolded is where we need understanding with clarity!

If that's true, then why are you an African is worshiping the Almighty God in the way taught by the Prophet sent to Mecca and not those sent to your own race?

Good question. Look at the Message brought by Christ, the one brought by Orunmila, Moses, Zarathura, Buddha and many others a careful study will show you that the messages have been bastardize, lost. Each claiming exclusivity to God while condemning others.
Men added to the Message teaching Doctrines that were commandment of Men and claiming to worship God. In some cases they remove from the message. And many many others.
It was Muhammad (PBUH) who address the jarring issues from all the faiths that sprang from the teachings of the past messengers/warners.
Read Isaiah 42 and 60 it is a summary of his mission.

Lukuluku69:
Good question. Look at the Message brought by Christ, the one brought by Orunmila, Moses, Zarathura, Buddha and many others a careful study will show you that the messages have been bastardize, lost. Each claiming exclusivity to God while condemning others.
Men added to the Message teaching Doctrines that were commandment of Men and claiming to worship God. In some cases they remove from the message. And many many others.
It was Muhammad (PBUH) who address the jarring issues from all the faiths that sprang from the teachings of the past messengers/warners.
Read Isaiah 42 and 60 it is a summary of his mission.

Please try to be consistent with your argument!

Do you believe that God sent messengers to all races to correct them?

Why must it be Muhammad (Arabian) that must be sent to correct the blunders of all other nations now?

Why not the usual way of sending messengers to all races?

And why are you now quoting the Jewish text if there were messengers sent to our own black race?

Please why can't we concentrate on those sent to our race? Or are you saying God has suddenly change his style of sending messengers to each race?

[quote authoar=TATIME post=92229901]You're the one who said "rottennaija saw the light" perhaps you don't understand what Maximus69 said. Before you can say someone has seen the light it simply means he was in the dark so where is that light rottennaija saw? [/quote]Do your understand Figure of Speech? When Paul wrote "I die daily" does it mean he dies everyday? When Christ talked about the Camel going thru the Needle's eye, does he literarily mean it that way?
Rottennaija said he understood the context of my "Light" and I said that Light has to do with what the Quran says in Quran 9:31 and nothing more!

Rottennaija claimed he saw thru the elders overbearing influence of the elders, I posted Quran 9:31 to back him up.

Lukuluku69:
Do your understand Figure of Speech? When Paul wrote "I die daily" does it mean he dies everyday? When Christ talked about the Camel going thru the Needle's eye, does he literarily mean it that way?
Rottennaija said he understood the context of my "Light" and I said that Light has to do with what the Quran says in Quran 9:31 and nothing more!

Rottennaija claimed he saw thru the elders overbearing influence of the elders, I posted Quran 9:31 to back him up.

That's where you failed in your use of metaphor!

Light metaphorically means something of higher value Sir, so where is the light rottennaija saw that made him leave the darkness?

"Tómodé bá rí oyin á so àkàrà nù"

So where is the OYIN that made rottennaija threw away the ÀKÀRÀ?

Òpònú Olódo!

TATIME:
Please try to be consistent with your argument!

Do you believe that God sent messengers to all races to correct them?

Why must it be Muhammad (Arabian) that must be sent to correct the blunders of all other nations now?

Why not the usual way of sending messengers to all races?

And why are you now quoting the Jewish text if there were messengers sent to our own black race?

Please why can't we concentrate on those sent to our race? Or are you saying God has suddenly change his style of sending messengers to each race?

Yes I believe that God sent Warners to ALL NATIONS and not ONLY TO ISRAELITES. The Quran states that in a number of places.

And the mistakes/blunders were not from the Warners but rather MEN (Pundits, Monks, Priests etc) who add, subtracts from the messages to suit the whims.

And God choose the Arabian Prophet to herald his Message to the World and not to any Lost Children. He chooses whom He Wills.

And I am quoting the Jewish Texts because they were told to look out for him by their Prophets. Once he comes they are to cling to him.

And why can't I stick with my African Warner? The message is lost. Osugbo, Awopa, Okala, Osun and many others each claiming superiority. Islam message is simple. Belief in God, Belief in ALL the Prophets and ALL the Books. Very simple. God is not for only one tribe but for all flesh. Read Isaiah 42 and 60 that Universal Prophet will come from the tribe of KEDAR/KEIDAR (Ishmael's fourth Son). The gathering of the people is unto him alone any other gathering nah fake.

Maximus69:
That's where you failed in your use of metaphor!

Light metaphorically means something of higher value Sir, so where is the light rottennaija saw that made him leave the darkness?

"Tómodé bá rí oyin á so àkàrà nù"

So where is the OYIN that made rottennaija threw away the ÀKÀRÀ?

Òpònú Olódo!

Did Paul "die" daily? The Light he saw was the Elders manipulation and disregard for God's word which the Quran stated some Fourteen hundred years ago.

Lukuluku69:
Yes I believe that God sent Warners to ALL NATIONS and not ONLY TO ISRAELITES. The Quran states that in a number of places.

And the mistakes/blunders were not from the Warners but rather MEN (Pundits, Monks, Priests etc) who add, subtracts from the messages to suit the whims.

And God choose the Arabian Prophet to herald his Message to the World and not to any Lost Children. He chooses whom He Wills.

And I am quoting the Jewish Texts because they were told to look out for him by their Prophets. Once he comes they are to cling to him.

And why can't I stick with my African Warner? The message is lost. Osugbo, Awopa, Okala, Osun and many others each claiming superiority. Islam message is simple. Belief in God, Belief in ALL the Prophets and ALL the Books. Very simple. God is not for only one tribe but for all flesh. Read Isaiah 42 and 60 that Universal Prophet will come from the tribe of KEDAR/KEIDAR (Ishmael's fourth Son). The gathering of the people is unto him alone any other gathering nah fake.

Tell me why you agreed with what those Jews and Arabs said instead of sticking to the way our black ancestors worship God?

TATIME:
I'll speak for myself, i can't speak for someone else. From the spiritual darkness of Islam, i saw the light of truth amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why i joined them.

Every Soul bears it's own burden and whoever goes right does so to it's own soul benefit.

Lukuluku69:
Did Paul "die" daily? The Light he saw was the Elders manipulation and disregard for God's word which the Quran stated some Fourteen hundred years ago.

Òpònú Olódo ni yín Sir!

Walahi Talahi e gò gan ni Sir!

Light is the direct opposite of darkness. According to your own illustration, JWs Organization should be the darkness, so which group serves as the light?

Lukuluku69:
Every Soul bears it's own burden and whoever goes right does so to it's own soul benefit.

So why do you now think rottennaija saw light when he hasn't agreed with your Allah, Qur'an or Muhammad?

For your information, rottennaija thinks your Allah is a goat!

Maximus69:
So why do you now think rottennaija saw light when he hasn't agreed with your Allah, Qur'an or Muhammad?

For your information, rottennaija thinks your Allah is a goat!

Stupid Maximus69, you don't know what I think. So why presume to know? You would rather have said what you think, not what you claim others think.

Maximus69:
Tell me why you agreed with what those Jews and Arabs said instead of sticking to the way our black ancestors worship God?

There Message is clearer. Written down which you can verify with the COLD HARD FACTS OF HISTORY. The Odu Ifa is not written down but rather murmured among the Initiates.
I can read the Bible and the Quran from my house, on my table. Same for the hindu, Zoroastrians books not so the Odu Ifa ( I am Yoruba)
Growing up, I once attended an Oro Festival in my Town, at the Igboti, you need to hear the Curses rained on non indigene who would want to see the "god of that town"! Same way the Children of Israel claimed God for their Nation only!

Maximus69:
So why do you now think rottennaija saw light when he hasn't agreed with your Allah, Qur'an or Muhammad?

For your information, rottennaija thinks your Allah is a goat!

Stupid Maximus69, rottennaija is a master to his Toughts not you.
And he thinks you are stupid.

Maximus69:
Òpònú Olódo ni yín Sir!

Walahi Talahi e gò gan ni Sir!

Light is the direct opposite of darkness. According to your own illustration, JWs Organization should be the darkness, so which group serves as the light?

For those reading, please google Quran 9:31. Then read what rottennaija said about leaving JW. Then you decide who the Oponu a yi rada is.

rottennaija:
Stupid Maximus69, you don't know what I think. So why presume to know? You would rather have said what you think, not what you claim others think.

Do you believe that there is no God except Allah and that Muhammad is God's messenger?
If not please try to reconcile with your friend in Islam first let's see where your so called light has led you!

Lukuluku69:
Yes I believe that God sent Warners to ALL NATIONS and not ONLY TO ISRAELITES. The Quran states that in a number of places.

And the mistakes/blunders were not from the Warners but rather MEN (Pundits, Monks, Priests etc) who add, subtracts from the messages to suit the whims.

And God choose the Arabian Prophet to herald his Message to the World and not to any Lost Children. He chooses whom He Wills.

And I am quoting the Jewish Texts because they were told to look out for him by their Prophets. Once he comes they are to cling to him.

And why can't I stick with my African Warner? The message is lost. Osugbo, Awopa, Okala, Osun and many others each claiming superiority. Islam message is simple. Belief in God, Belief in ALL the Prophets and ALL the Books. Very simple. God is not for only one tribe but for all flesh. Read Isaiah 42 and 60 that Universal Prophet will come from the tribe of KEDAR/KEIDAR (Ishmael's fourth Son). The gathering of the people is unto him alone any other gathering nah fake.

By quoting Isaiah chapters 42 and 60, going by your narrative, you believe that spiritual truth is relative and hence some aspect of truth can be found in any religion. Correct?
You quote from the Bible and then lambast it when it DOESN'T AGREE with your narrative.
That's just what you've been doing here. You may call JW's close-minded when they decide to stick to the Bible — because we believe that's where truth is found and the truth is indeed ABSOLUTE .
You don't see JW's quoting from your forged book trying to prove a point.

Lukuluku69:
There Message is clearer. Written down which you can verify with the COLD HARD FACTS OF HISTORY. The Odu Ifa is not written down but rather murmured among the Initiates.
I can read the Bible and the Quran from my house, on my table. Same for the hindu, Zoroastrians books not so the Odu Ifa ( I am Yoruba)
Growing up, I once attended an Oro Festival in my Town, at the Igboti, you need to hear the Curses rained on non indigene who would want to see the "god of that town"! Same way the Children of Israel claimed God for their Nation only!

You're a liar Sir!

There are books written about our traditions, but the slave traders came and forced them to abandon it all.
Alimi (Fulani Muslim Warrior) killed Afonja, our people never accepted the books out of interest but by force!

Lukuluku69:
Stupid Maximus69, rottennaija is a master to his Toughts not you.
And he thinks you are stupid.

How convenient it is for you to welcome hypocrisy when you're sure that rottennaija never had any regard for your Allah!

Maximus69:
Do you believe that there is no God except Allah and that Muhammad is God's messenger?
If not please try to reconcile with your friend in Islam first let's see where your so called light has led you!

Stupid Maximus69, you don't know what I think. Just simply say you believe his God is a goat and be done with it.

rottennaija:
Stupid Maximus69, you don't know what I think. So why presume to know? You would rather have said what you think, not what you claim others think.

Na their way be that, they PRESUME what others do and when show the correct thing orders do they go into INSULTS, TAGS and LABELS after misquoting Lukuluku69 they are trying to save FACE.

See how they avoid the questions you gave earlier about the LIGHT and TRUTH.

They need to go and see what omojeesu and chantinent wrote about CHRISTIANITY

Chantinent: Put simply, Christians are followers of Christ.

Achorladey: Very good, well emphasized in omojeesu post too.

Chantinent: They do all to emulate him wholly

Achorladey: well stated by him too.

Chantinent: and his father Jehovah (a sovereign God with a name and creator of the universe).

Achorladey: There must be a reason Peter said Jesus Christ set the pattern and Christians should follow CHRIST steps closely Or Peter forget there is a FATHER somewhere? . Your adding Jehovah to it makes it When you bow or bent your KNEE to JESUS Christ Jehovah Go kill you? The reason you see omojeesu didn't have to SELL JEHOVAH to anyone he knew doing what Jesus Christ ask you to do is FINAL.

Chantinent: They exercise faith in his ransom sacrifice.

Achorladey: same of same

Chantinent: What did Christ preach? God's Kingdom. They also preach it.

Achorladey: look at his post words and deeds.

Chantinent: Do you preach same too? Please do.

Achorladey: in omojeesu words........."submit to Him to become more and more like Jesus, in thought, word and deed". The interesting thing about this is when they(other Christian denominations) preach and teach your brothers here will say they are NOISEMAKERS

Lukuluku69:
For those reading, please google Quran 9:31. Then read what rottennaija said about leaving JW. Then you decide who the Oponu a yi rada is.

According to your deceptive Islamic clerics, there were three scriptures before the Qur'an
(1) The one revealed to Moses
(2) The one revealed to David
(3) The one revealed to Jesus
But to whom was the Qur'an revealed?
Muhammad!
But see what your Arabian liars taught you again inside your Qur'an!
Verse 94 said Muhammad should go and learn from those who have been reading which book o?

rottennaija:
Stupid Maximus69, you don't know what I think. Just simply say you believe his God is a goat and be done with it.

He said you saw the light out of the darkness of JWs nah!
Do you believe in his God?

DappaD:
By quoting Isaiah chapters 42 and 60, going by your narrative, you believe that spiritual truth is relative and hence some aspect of truth can be found in any religion. Correct?
You quote from the Bible and then lambast it when it DOESN'T AGREE with your narrative.
That's just what you've been doing here. You may call JW's close-minded when they decide to stick to the Bible — because we believe that's where truth is found and the truth is indeed ABSOLUTE .
You don't see JW's quoting from your forged book trying to prove a point.

Before the advent of the Arabian Prophet, any man who can live true to the teachings of his home Prophet has definetely grasp a good stronghold. So, The Zoroastrians Magi who came calling at Jesus crib (they were looking for that Last Prophet and they only saw a babe they left otherwise they would have cling to him. They were looking for a Man who will upturn their corrupt faith and set them aright) they found it in Islam who upturn the Magian Faith and convert them all. Google the story of Persia.
Before The Arabian Prophet if there be an Hindu, Jew, African or any other Nation of the world who live by the dictates of his home prophet in it's PRISTINE STATE, Then there is a Spiritual Truth therein but once that Messenger and Servant comes (Isaiah 60) bros, you are to leave everything and follow him.

I quote from the Bible the words of God and His Prophets what I lambast are words of Men.

And you are right, JW are close minded people. You believe God spoke only to the Israelites. In the Hindu Scripture, they call people like you NAMUCHI: An Evil Spirit that witholds Rain and by extension any own who holds the view that God only talked or is revealed in their Nation only.
You will find Muslims quoting from ALL BOOKS but you close minded people deters to the Israelites version only.

Lukuluku69:
Before the advent of the Arabian Prophet, any man who can live true to the teachings of his home Prophet has definetely grasp a good stronghold. So, The Zoroastrians Magi who came calling at Jesus crib (they were looking for that Last Prophet and they only saw a babe they left otherwise they would have cling to him. They were looking for a Man who will upturn their corrupt faith and set them aright) they found it in Islam who upturn the Magis Faith and convert them all. Google the story of Persia.
Before The Arabian Prophet if there be an Hindu, Jew, African or any other Nation of the world who live by the dictates of his home prophet in it's PRISTINE STATE, Then there is a Spiritual Truth therein but once that Messenger and Servant comes (Isaiah 60) bros, you are to leave everything and follow him.

I quote from the Bible the words of God and His Prophets what I lambast are words of Men.

And you are right, JW are close minded people. You believe God spoke only to the Israelites. In the Hindu Scripture, they call people like you NAMUCHI: An Evil Spirit that witholds Rain and by extension any own who holds the view that God only talked or is revealed in their Nation only.
You will find Muslims quoting from ALL BOOKS but you close minded people deters to the Israelites version only.

Lukuluku69, MUSLIMS are not the only people who believe that truth is relative.
I've heard clergymen of Christendom say that there are some things their Daddy G.O will tell them that they'll disagree with him on the issue of truth. Yes clergymen as well as other religionists in the factions of different religions believe truth is relative. That's why if you check very well , you LOT are always in confusion .
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in only the BIBLE as the only Inspired Word of God. The rest of you in other religions wouldn't like something like this so there's no need explaining it to you.

When Jesus said at John 14:6
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”
Do you think Jesus was joking here? Or that he was being close-minded and arrogant?
YES you will see it that way and tag this one ‘words of men’ because it doesn't agree with your forged religion.

Maximus69:
According to your deceptive Islamic clerics, there were three scriptures before the Qur'an
(1) The one revealed to Moses
(2) The one revealed to David
(3) The one revealed to Jesus
But to whom was the Qur'an revealed?
Muhammad!
But see what your Arabian liars taught you again inside your Qur'an!
Verse 94 said Muhammad should go and learn from those who have been reading which book o?

Ode agba, that Verse was directed to the pagan Arabs who doubts the Prophet and the next verse say those Pagan Arabs should approach the Jews and the Christians if indeed any mention of one like Muhammad was made in their scriptures.
As a close minded JW Programmed Bot, busy youself with the next verse or are you an Arab?
Let start with Isaiah 40 and 60. Shall we?