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Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 6:57pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
I may even examine Unisoc Spreadtrum line up too for Itel fans 2 Likes |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by KrazyDave16(m): 7:08pm On Jul 30, 2020 |
atheistandproud:Not a problem 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 11:14am On Jul 31, 2020 |
KrazyDave16: As promised, the full line up of all Exynos chips https://inquisitiveuniverse./2020/07/29/exynos-socs-a-full-line-up/ 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by KrazyDave16(m): 12:10pm On Jul 31, 2020 |
atheistandproud:Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 4:19pm On Aug 01, 2020 |
KrazyDave16: You're welcome 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by thepoweruser(m): 12:39pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
erekking:I agree with you on this. The Asus ROG Phone 3 is the most powerful phone ever made. Not even just because of the fact that it uses the Snapdragon 865+,but because this is a smartphone that you can actually overclock like a gaming pc. No root,no custom kernels or roms. The cpu scheduler and governor is actually UNLOCKED! I would certainly pick the Asus over Lenovo's Legion Duel. 2 Likes |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by thepoweruser(m): 1:03pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
atheistandproud:Oga @atheistandproud,nicely informative post. I must say this though. I am a new Nairaland member but I am no stranger to Nairaland,having been following my favourite sections here before joining(not just phone) but the phone section is by far my favourite. It is always a nice thing seeing gadget guys posting helpful threads. I have been noting all of you guys on the phone section and I know your posting history and I can proudly say that the OP is one of the most helpful people on this thread. Allow me to introduce myself. I am a gadget guy myself (and i am just a plain old power user,be it smartphones,laptops and desktops,cars(especially supercars) and military hardware . I am reasonably well versed in these things but if there is one thing I have noticed about atheistandproud it is that he believes in the KISS Principle(Keep It Simple Stupid) and he backs up his articles with accurate facts. I have learned a LOT today(e.g. I never could have imagined that the iPhone 5s is as powerful as the Helio A22?? and I wasn't really suprised that the Apple A9 is as powerful as the Snapdragon 720G(wow). But I just want to say that in my own opinion the A11 Bionic is really closer to the SD855 than the SD845. In conclusion: More grease to your elbow, my fellow atheist! Buenas noches . Edit: Oh,and one more thing bros,how does Unisoc SC9863A compare to the Helio P22? My guess is that they perform more or less the same,but the MT6762 beats Spreadtrum by far in efficiency(28nm vs 12nm?? No contest! Looking forward to your Unisoc article... At this rate you might inspire me to make a thread of my own . Fingers crossed. 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by erekking(m): 3:01pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
thepoweruser:and it is even 3ghz already! Mobile chips are mind-blowing these days. |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 4:29pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
thepoweruser: Thank you very much sir |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 4:38pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
thepoweruser: This is amazing 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by thepoweruser(m): 10:34am On Aug 04, 2020 |
atheistandproud:Let me add a few things to what my fellow atheist said: 1). The A13 Bionic and the Snapdragon 865+ are neck-and-neck in performance. How do I know this? Well,the 865 beats the A13 in some scenarios and the A13 does vice-versa. 2). Would you really like to know why Apple's best chipset is still capable of bullying the newer SD865? I'll explain. You see,in my own opinion what mainly affects SoC perf is not the big cores in an ARM big.LITTLE/DynamIQ setup,it's the little cores. Remember,that mobile chipsets are primarily targeted at one area: efficiency. The little cores are more important IMHO because the more powerful (and efficient) they are the les s the scheduler has to use the bigger cores more often. Think about it:the big cores have to do less. Because the little cores are used more often power efficiency is improved dramatically. That is why a year-old hexa-core A13 still trashes it's newer rivals. I'll delve deeper. The Thunder cores of the A13 Bionic,to me,are the most impressive part of the soc,having the performance of a Cortex-A73 and using more than 1.5x the energy efficiency. And the A13's massive 8MB of L3 cache! Da**q! 3). The core that would end up beating the Lightning(big) core of the A13 is the Cortex-X1,which is slightly more powerful (but here is the kicker) uses 50% LESS POWER! NB: This only applies when the core setup is on 5nm with 4MB L3 cache. 4). Surprisingly,the SD855+ is as powerful as a Core i5-8300U. Sorry for hijacking the thread . 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 11:24am On Aug 04, 2020 |
thepoweruser: I surrender the thread to you sir |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by KrazyDave16(m): 2:12pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
thepoweruser:TIL. [s]But don't you think the X1 will be used exclusively for prime core performance until a better successor is made...?[/s] nvm, saw you meant the prime core. |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by thepoweruser(m): 6:22pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
atheistandproud:Abeg I still dey learn oh! But lemme correct myself, I made a mistake up there. The Thunder core has more than twice the efficiency as an A73. What pisses me off about the curremt lineup of Android SoCs is this: *Exynos 990 and 9820 use the same little core( Cortex-A55),albeit at different clockings. *Even the d_ n SD855's Kryo 485 Silver is very similar to the SD865's Kryo 585 Silver(both tweaked Cortex-A55s),though these tweaks are largely meaningless. *SO,YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CHIEF BOTTLENECKS ARE THE LITTLE CORES. At this rate, I'd personally pick a downclocked A75(1.2ghz) over a 2.0GHz A55. The only little core that is close to defeating Thunder is the Cortex-A65,though that's only for cars now Seems like we'd have to wait till 2021 for a new little core(new ARM architecture update,possibly ARMv9,codename Matterhorn). Now,my dream ARM SoC: 2x Cortex-X1@3.3GHz 4x Cortex-A78@2.84GHz 4x Cortex-A65@2.1GHz Yes,a deca-core chipset. This could give an AnTuTu score of over 790K and a Geekbench 5.1 multicore pretty close to a Core i7-1065G7. PS:RUMORS HAVE IT THAT THE A14 BIONIC WILL BE THE CHIP TO DIE FOR. A CHIPSET CAPABLE OF KILLING THE 2018 MACBOOK PRO! 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by erekking(m): 8:04pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
Cortex x1 and a78 taking up 6 cores ! this will devastate your battery now. I feel like we don't need decacores on arm just yet (except those modified for laptops) this power is nearing diminishing return. It's only good for future proofing devices (if android device oems are willing to push updates that long) Right now, most app utilizations on ios and android are on par and stuffing more power in the processor won't do much for either. Refinement on other fronts should be the goal, Like ddr5x or even ddr6 rams with speeds to match, this would make actual performance boost than just cpu, faster internal storage technology improvement would also complement the ram bump, this will translate to faster file retrieval between ram and storage. Better battery technology too, they have been throwing around graphene battery technology around alot now. Its not about throwing in dual battery and 100watt power brick. That's a potential hazard. Graphene can radically increase charging speeds without extra gra gra. 2 Likes |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by thepoweruser(m): 9:41am On Aug 05, 2020 |
erekking:Chairman,you dey largely on point but the truth is,like RAM,more CPU power never hurt anyone. (I'm talking NRA slogan here: ''Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it'' ) The real power drainer would be the Cortex-X1 in my opinion,since a Cortex-A78 is 50% more efficient than a Cortex-A7,meaning a 3.0GHz A78 uses the same amount of power as a 2.6GHz A77. The A76 was really the first ARM core intended for use in laptops. The A77 is a bigger A76 (I think maybe 20% larger,not certain for sure)and the A78 is a smaller but more powerful A77. Anyway,I can think of two user scenarios where the power of the fictional chipset up there would seriously excel: *SW video decoding of a 4K HDR 60FPS AV1 video (AV1 is very tough to decode efficiently with no frame drops/overheating) *Emulation of tougher Wii/GameCube/PS2/3DS titles(Dolphin/DamonPS2/Citra) at at least 30FPS out of the box,60FPS(maybe) with tweaks. PS:Apologies for the long epistle but TL;DR: More muscle ain't gonna hurt. By the way,why wouldn't I want these things? I am a power user after all. |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by erekking(m): 12:54pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Alright then, everyone to their choices, my preferred theoretical core arrangements would be; 2 × cortex x1 at possibly 3.2ghz 3 × cortex a78 at possibly 2.75ghz 3 × cortex a78 at 2.2 ghz Kind of similar to apples bionic structure but with a third lower clocked yet powerful tier. |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by Topmaike007(m): 5:02pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Your post has already changed my narrative towards iPhone I swear I go buy am even if it's outdated iPhone 8 I will buy it |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 6:22pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
thepoweruser: A78 should be available soon I guess |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 6:24pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Topmaike007: lol mad oh |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by jizzison(m): 7:03pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
atheistandproud: Nice one sir! Another banger! This will make a positive impact in terms of educating people how powerful an iPhone can be. Just imagine iPhone 6s A9 chipset comparable to Snapdragon 670 and MTK's Helio P90. The one that wowed me is that iPhone 5S being comparable to MTK's Helio A22. Dammmmnnnn! Seeing all this and you truly understand what OP said, one can only imagine Apple's A14. 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by Topmaike007(m): 7:07pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
atheistandproud:I dey tell you bro, even the owner of Tecno is using iPhone |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by Topmaike007(m): 7:09pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
jizzison:iPhone is truly a machine... Even iPhone 7 will outsmart The best performing Oppo and Tecno device 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by jizzison(m): 7:52pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Topmaike007: Chaii! I swear! And that's iPhone 7 of how many years ago? With the A10 fusion. I think I've to start redefining what a quality smartphone really means to myself. |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by Topmaike007(m): 9:22pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
jizzison:we're buying crap in the name of we're buying android 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 8:38am On Aug 06, 2020 |
Topmaike007: Don't underrate Android sha. Steve Jobs was a visionary. He had seen the future long before everyone else did and so gave Apple iPhones a huge step ahead, handicapping everyone. Apple are just simply far ahead of everyone else but the Gap is closing. If you use a Flagship Android, you'll know that the performance difference is narrowing down very fast. Upper mid-range, mid-range and budget can never meet up iPhones because they (iPhones) are only made for the Flagship markets. So if you want to compare, use a suitable processor or use a fellow Flagship. 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by Topmaike007(m): 10:35am On Aug 06, 2020 |
atheistandproud:hmmmmmn like the Samsung galaxy s10 |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 2:15pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
Topmaike007: that's more like it |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by taiwosamwell(m): 2:23pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
atheistandproud:Yh. Apple iPhone are all flagship (except the SE series) and should be compared to Android flagship. I watch a YouTube video where OnePlus 8 Pro ran faster then iPhone 11 Pro Max in some tasks. Android flagship are not on the same page with Apple iPhone. But our people will buy mid-range or even entry-level and be expecting flagship performance. Someone once asked me to help him look for a good phone less than 30k or 40k(don't really remember). I just told him there is no good phone in that range. A Good Phone is expensive. By the way, after Steve Jobs died, iPhone has not really moved far in terms of innovation et al, na only processor still dey great. 1 Like |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by atheistandproud(m): 2:25pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
taiwosamwell: this is it my brother. absolute truth. we in the country need help. people will buy tuke tuke and expect it to run like 4matic. very annoying. |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by taiwosamwell(m): 2:28pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
atheistandproud:I hate that. If I buy a 40K phone, I know things I'll do on it and if I buy a flagship smartphone I also know things to do. How can someone be expecting smooth PUBG gameplay on a 40K phone 2 Likes |
Re: Apple Silicon Socs (A Full Line Up Of Their Socs) by Topmaike007(m): 5:01pm On Aug 06, 2020 |
atheistandproud:but what is your take on The newly made Mediatek g70 |
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