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FirstbornWds:
This same Ramos struck the last header that led to a goal against ATM in the UCL.

He took down Salah, albeit expertly, to weaken a fierce Liverpool's attack in the UCL final.

This same Ramos, won the UCL, threes time back to back and you say he's not a leader?

How about the Euros and WC in 2012/10?

How many times will something happen to you without learning?


Barcelona was hammered 4 consecutive years and nothing serious was done both on and off the pitch.

A single goal or thorough defending could have saved us all these embarrassments. Charging players to continue even in the face of dilemma is obviously not a bad idea.

What happened to the never say die attitude that we exhibited against PSG in Camp Nou?

We have lost the touch of vocal/physical leadership both on and off the pitch and that's the fact.

No need to stress nonsense.


We need more than just talent... We need a vocal leader. A fighter, that knows when to tell his teammates to continue even in the face of troubles.

haymekus:
Mehn, guy you talk too much,


Barcelona played a full Liverpool squad and won 3-0, all the players that played the return leg were rested and Liverpool had 2 key players (firmino & salah) injured, not minding the fact that they also played their first eleven that Saturday evening.


So guy tell me how the fûck these Barcelona players were tired, and also tell me how the hell these guys were not good, but they won by 3-0 in the first leg??

FirstbornWds:
Now this is getting extreme. We've started neglecting what the real argument is.


Saying Messi doesn't deserve to be in the team overhaul is way too much. We won't even have a morale if he's not there. This guy single-handedly took us past Utd, Chelsea, Roma(First-leg), Liverpool(First-leg), and even Napoli (this season).

My problem with him now is; he needs to start stepping up vocally and start being physical when it appears that all he has labored for is going into shambles. He needs to start letting his teammates know that he's human and not alien who wouldn't mind what happens next. He needs to start allowing them know that, although he's still the best, they need to start complimenting his efforts by putting in more work, themselves. They should be able to pick him up when down.

These are what I am fighting for, not Messi leaving the team. He still has a LOT to offer us.

jpmoriarti:
After 4 consecutive humiliations in Europe, i wont hesitate to say Messi could be part of Barcelona's problem today. We have to move forward from him and build a really competitive team once again. We might even need to strip the captain armband from him, should he choose to stay. His four year captaincy has been a total disaster. It is no coincident that we last tasted true leadership the year before he assumed that throne.

jpmoriarti:
I agree 100% with you. We Barcelona fans are too emotionally attached to Messi. I'll say he's part of the problem today. No longer the solution. Bayern robbed several balls off him the other day. Dude didn't even bother chasing back and one or two led to goal.

Messi has been a disaster as captain of Barcelona. He doesn't urge the team on when morale is down. Four years of pain in Europe has all happened under watchful eyes of Messi.

FirstbornWds:
Now this is getting extreme. We've started neglecting what the real argument is.


Saying Messi doesn't deserve to be in the team overhaul is way too much. We won't even have a morale if he's not there. This guy single-handedly took us past Utd, Chelsea, Roma(First-leg), Liverpool(First-leg), and even Napoli (this season).

My problem with him now is; he needs to start stepping up vocally and start being physical when it appears that all he has labored for is going into shambles. He needs to start letting his teammates know that he's human and not alien who wouldn't mind what happens next. He needs to start allowing them know that, although he's still the best, they need to start complimenting his efforts by putting in more work, themselves. They should be able to pick him up when down.

These are what I am fighting for, not Messi leaving the team. He still has a LOT to offer us.

usbcable:
As in I just shame reading that comment.

he just nailed what we have been trying to make him realise sinceeeee.

Again, I honestly dont know how to put this without looking like a hater. I have long realised Messi is not the vocal type. I recall posting here years back then about giving him the arms band despite he talks little.

its his nature not to talk a lot in front of cameras. so its not a bad thing but in certain scenarios you need such vocality.

Terry - Chelsea
Gerrard - Liverpool
Maldini - AC Milan
Viera - Arsenal
Keane - Man Utd
Khan - Bayern
Barca - Puyol

we all cant be the same but considering the fact that same shit is coming from his comrades on the pitch fro years in a row he needs call them to order.

but again as he leads with delivering goals the least is that the like of Pique should be more in leading the backline at least.

In Real Madrid we have same issue with Varane. Despite spending this much years with Ramos dude hardly says much on the pitch which is why no one trust him to lead well when Ramos is not around. Sadly he did not disappoint against Man City

Zeemuthafuka:
Chai...

Okay let me ask you something...how do you cure low morale and weak mentality in a football team?

tesppidd:


This is preposterous and pathetic to say the least.

Is football not a team game anymore?

One player carries the goal scoring burden.

Same player carries the play making burden.

Same player should motivate the team before they can perform under pressure.

In practical terms; I love being practical.

At Madrid while Ramos was motivating the team, Ronaldo and Bale were getting crucial semi final and final goals.

At Liverpool while Henderson is motivating the team, Salah and Mane are scoring crucial finals goals.

At Bayern while Neuer or someone is motivating the team, Lewy and Muller are getting crucial finals and semi finals goals.



Then at our Barca, our very own Barca, lol.

One man dominates the goal scoring game, same man dominates the play making game,

And the same man should motivate,

if he doesn't motivate then he is a draw back and should leave the club!!!


Frankly I feel like biitch-slapping every single person with that opinion right now.

Fuucck..

tesppidd:


This is preposterous and pathetic to say the least.

Is football not a team game anymore?

One player carries the goal scoring burden.

Same player carries the play making burden.

Same player should motivate the team before they can perform under pressure.

In practical terms; I love being practical.

At Madrid while Ramos was motivating the team, Ronaldo and Bale were getting crucial semi final and final goals.

At Liverpool while Henderson is motivating the team, Salah and Mane are scoring crucial finals goals.

At Bayern while Neuer or someone is motivating the team, Lewy and Muller are getting crucial finals and semi finals goals.



Then at our Barca, our very own Barca, lol.

One man dominates the goal scoring game, same man dominates the play making game,

And the same man should motivate,

if he doesn't motivate then he is a draw back and should leave the club!!!


Frankly I feel like biitch-slapping every single person with that opinion right now.

Fuucck..

joviegghead:
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Ronaldo did all of these for Portugal and did it well. The result?
Euro and Nations league.
Even Ramos had to admit Ronaldo's leadership in real Madrid. Yes he did.

Dude, I love Messi but I'll always say when and where he bleeps up.
And no is saying he should leave because he's a failure or bad captain. Fans wanting him to leave simply feel pity at how he has toiled while the board and everyone else bleeps up and render his efforts useless. He deserves a better place.

But ask yourself, if barca had a leader that rallies his teammate when they feel down, don't you think we would have won Champions League last season. That cup was meant for US! Everyone saw us winning. But we blew it.
If we had an energetic source of motivation, it most likely wouldn't have happened.

usbcable:
i dont want and dont see Messi leaving the club.

Not even at this moment that the season starts next month.

that will be a problem for both him and any club he chooses.

The Club needs to think through what it wants to do. Rushing to take decisions with the rush of blood to the head maybe counter productive.

Infact i dont see many of the "so called" old guys leaving immediately. They are the experience that any young blood brought in will feast on for guidance

usbcable:
i dont want and dont see Messi leaving the club.

Not even at this moment that the season starts next month.

that will be a problem for both him and any club he chooses.

The Club needs to think through what it wants to do. Rushing to take decisions with the rush of blood to the head maybe counter productive.

Infact i dont see many of the "so called" old guys leaving immediately. They are the experience that any young blood brought in will feast on for guidance

FirstbornWds:
I think I get Tespidd point now. And he's right.

We need some other person to motivate to win and it really doesn't have to be Messi. But then, if he does, it is another feather to his cap.

As for the Ronaldo part, there were players stepping up for him in the international stage. Fks, he didn't even play in the final.

tesppidd:
Thank you.

I just didn't have the words to respond to joviegghead when he said Ronaldo scores, play makes and motivates Portugal when the Ede r story is so popular.

Didn't just have the words to respond to him.

SonOfAfonja:
They’ll never get it... They hate Messi so much, they feel he has to be leading in clean sheets, aerial duels and tackles....

tesppidd:
What would be your opinion on Messi if you were a fan of Barca's?

tesppidd:
At this rate they are soon going to blame Messi for allowing his team mates go to the dressing room at half time.
Real soon.

Sommyroy10:
I weak bros, I weak

TLona1:
So what y'all are saying is Messi was shouting throughout the 90 minutes, Bayern wouldn't have beaten us?

Lmao!

BoleAndFish:
Do you think the game would have changed if you guys managed to squeeze in another goal when it was 4:2 to make it 4:3?

TLona1:
So what y'all are saying is Messi was shouting throughout the 90 minutes, Bayern wouldn't have beaten us?

Lmao!

It's the low morale and weak mentality they carry to the pitch when they play away.

Sommyroy10:
I weak bros, I weak

Me too bro

tesppidd:
Jesus Christ!

This one still don't get it.