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| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by LukasPodolski: 11:23pm On Aug 22, 2020 |
OruExpress:i don't understand if you're just being sarcastic or you're for real, I presumed you're not Yoruba because such stupid fallacious assertion shouldn't come from an Omoluabi. albeit it's no news that our noisy brothers from the east used to make that false claims of owning 40% of Lagos and SW, we should let them die with the delusion, how you suddenly upheld that beats my imagination. stop attracting insult to the great Yoruba group, that's an outright insult given this ownership claims are not true... do you know what 40% of 100 means? that's more than 1/4, nearly half... tell me where they own in Ibadan, Akure, Sango ota, Ilorin e.t.c let's get down to Lagos, using this same Logic, if Igbos really own 30-40% of Lagos, are you saying Dangote and his Hausa people also owns 25-30%, Foreigners and Minority tribes 20% 30+30+20=80% are you saying Yorubas who are the real owner only owns 20% ![]() ![]() ![]() i find it very hard to take that as sarcasm, because the concluding part of your write up doesn't make it look like one. please stop that, Ogun will not kee us ooo. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by PROUDIGBO(m): 11:28pm On Aug 22, 2020 |
OruExpress:Dude, your arguments are all over the place as it seems you've lost track of the initial point i made! My position has always been from the standpoint of Biafra or just Ndigbo seceding, and the Fulani seeking to bring them back into 'one Nigeria'....kinda like Pharoh did with the Israelites leaving Egypt! The present situation is that we have the Fulani -who to all intents and purposes own Nigeria- controlling the countrys' politics and resources and sharing said resources and other benefits as they deem fit! They have groups within their fold wreaking havoc across the length and breath of Nigeria as we speak, leaving death, despair, destruction and misery in their wake! They are importing their kinsfolk from all over West Africa and are encroaching on other peoples ancestral lands, claiming rights as indigenes....their intention is to change the demographics in the middle-belt and southern Nigeria! Now given the aforementioned, just what is this 'Fulani cause that is more beneficial to the individual' that you speak of? You probably think ethnicities in the middle-belt and southern Nigeria are daft and willing to be slaves to a merciless, fundamentalist and vindictive set of people just to preserve 'one Nigeria'! Do you think these ethnicities are not capable of being independent countries on their own or choose who to call compatriots without being directed by Lugard and all the other 'one Nigeria' apologists alive today? The oyel and gas can still be the commonwealth of all present regions, ethncities and/or grps in the event of a split, if that would be a thorny and intractable issue! Mazi Kanu has even said at some point that Biafra would be amenable to leaving the oyel and gas as a shared resource by all in the event of a split, so i don't see what you're on about! And what makes you think, assuming Biafra leaves with the hydrocarbons within its territory, that Shell, Chevron, etc, still wouldn't be able to do business withthe new Republic? If anything, they will benefit more because there will be a more conducive environment for business: kidnapping would reduce or be eliminated as ethnicities get control of their resources! Besides, we have seen South-Sudan secede with most of the oil fields which negates the argument you're trying to make! The leadership of a people don't come from Uranus ....they emerge from the people, and if the people are fed up sharing the same country with a murderous, expansionist and power-hungry set of individuals, it should reflect in the choices their leaders make on the national stage! As we speak, leadership in Nigeria doesn't reflect the true feelings and aspirations of their people and only someone not true to himself will deny this! Leadership in Nigeria is all about sub-national and self-interest, feathering ones nest and it has gone downhill since the days of the likes of Dr Opkara, Awo, Zik and Aminu kano! Democracy in Nigeria is a huge joke and has been taken over and corrupted by godfathers, thugs and illegal immigrants! The call for a referendum by IPOB and Mazi Kanu have never been more strident and presistent, but why do you think the gov't would rather spill blood of innocents than support a UN backed referendum to hold? It's because they know what the outcome will be, so all this talk of 'what they leaders want' is rubbish!Your argumant that Igbos are owning 30 to 40 percent of land in some Yoruba cities and other regions is complete hogwash and just made to sound alarmist! Which study or report are you basing these percentages on? Besides, how dare you compare the legitimate purchase of land in any part of Nigeria by a Nigerian with the antics of the hordes of Fulani militia, herdsmen and bandits taking over peoples land which they haven't bothered paying for and adding pain and misery into the mix! If any Nigerian has a problem with Igbos buying land in their region or state, they should either get their reps and senators to present a bill to prevent this, or alternatively support IPOB in their secession bid so they can be rid of the Igbos forever! |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by OruExpress: 3:25am On Aug 23, 2020 |
PROUDIGBO:Ghanaians and South Africans that aren't in the same country as Igbos, are they free from Igbos forever? El Rufai gave his quote about Igbo owned property in Abuja, the Lagos State Gov has said the same for their city at multiple points in our contemporary history. El Rufais quote was 60% if you believe I'm being alarmist. Biafrans are saying what you're saying and everyone else, including some Igbos in the south south are not agreeing. If war breaks out, will they take a stance separate from the stance they're taking today? No. They have a reason for taking that stance. To you Biafra is common sense and supoorting Igbos over Fulani is common sense. But once you look around, no other group sees your sense as common. A thoughtful and tactful person would ask why. Not assume they will join your side at the end, not assume everyone loves you and hates them, not assume everyone shares your common sense. Ask why and strategize accordingly. Have a plan based on observable reality. If you see people say Fulani president nobody flinches. Let Pete Obi come out to contest against Atiku and tell me who Nigerians will question and who they'll accept. In fact we have willingly voted in several. Say Igbo president and tell me the idea is as welcomed. You then believe these people will lift guns and point it at them and not you? The havoc you're speaking of, when the first war happened Nigerians had just exited Usman Dan Fodios Jihad. Did they side with you? Its these little hit and runs that will convince them and you're plan is to anticipate the mana from the sky that makes your common sense being everyone elses. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by sageb: 3:58am On Aug 23, 2020 |
LukasPodolski:you have said the truth of the matter. Ipobs don't understand these things because they are arrogant and selfish. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Yebosola(m): 4:41am On Aug 23, 2020 |
Samfloxin:Nah u sabi wetin deh, others above are just emotional outbursts ![]() |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by rdokoye: 5:21am On Aug 23, 2020 |
OruExpress:Is the argument that these other groups will opt to align with Igbo people over the North? Of course not. It's about bonds. In the 60s, Nigeria's future was shrouded in mystery, no one knew where it'd go. That's why those groups, especially in the South-South, took their chances. Today, that's no longer the case. The South-South and Middle-Belt, know what they'd be fighting for if they opted to fight on the side of Nigeria, which is poverty, invasions, pogroms and marginalisation, and none of them would have the motivation to fight for that. Instead, they'd either remain neutral or fight for their own nation. The former, being the most likely outcome. That aside, If Nigeria collapses, which is most likely to case, it won't involve the South-East. Right now you have Boko Haram in the NE, Fulani Herdsmen killing people in Kaduna and the Middle-Belt. It's only a matter of time til they move to the South, in full force. Then those other groups that have conspired to keep Igbo people in Nigeria, will start to look for their own way out. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by OruExpress: 5:49am On Aug 23, 2020 |
rdokoye:We are not a 50 year old ppl. So to say Nigeria's future was a mystery is still missing the point. The saraduana was the grandson of Usman Dan Fodio. Dan Fodio led the most brazen acts of Fulani headed genocide and war on all regions including the SW and sustained his army using the even older Fulani slave trade of native nigerians. The minute Ironsi was killed the SW, Middle Belt, and North collaborated in killing Igbos without instruction. We as Igbo people spend so much time thinking we're small that we don't realize the outsized and unnerving presence we have in other people's environs. South Cameroon specifically cited avoiding Igbos as their primary reason for not joining Nigeria. Fast forward to today. We ran a Fulani v Fulani election not to long ago. Nobody, except Igbos as a few yorubas of minimal influence like FFK objected to the idea. Run an Igbo v Igbo presidential race and see if the war doesnt start that day. You know how that will make other Nigerians feel. So ask yourselves who are Nigerians comfortable with and who are they not. We, as a people, get in a lot of trouble because we assume instead of strategize, and our assumptions never factor the idea of having enemies. Nigerians have already chosen who they prefer in a Fulani v Igbo 2020 war off sentiment. If sentiment is the plan the chips are against us. There is no Igbo man paying rent to a Fulani in Igbo land but many Fulani, Hausa, Middle belter and Yoruba do so to igbo land lords in their own backyards. I might be one of the few Igbo ppl that are considering how stressful this is for other people and how its not shifting sentiment in our favor. So any hope or prayer (since this is how Nigerians think life works) or plan thats rooted in 'well obviously they wont support Fulanis' is already dead on arrival. These are not the people that are going to rally to assure your best interest prevails. Everything you cited as being able to cauze collapse in Nigeria is normal life in the places you cited. Boko Haram and herdsmen clashes are parts of life in their environments and southerns are too divorced from the idea of self defense, violence, or fighting to actually raise an objection to being attacked. there's already violence in the south and most of the decision makers we choose for ourselves and those of us with 'status' believe its razz to complain or pay it mind. If you think it sounds stupid its because you're in a stupid place and not because of my own opinion. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by OruExpress: 6:01am On Aug 23, 2020 |
Also forget Fulanis. Igbos can leave Nigeria when they want and Fulani 'power' is grossly exaggerated to justify cowardice and inaction on our part. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Dedetwo(m): 6:04am On Aug 23, 2020 |
@OP If Nigeria is not glorified zoo and most Nigerians are not dumb fools. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Dedetwo(m): 6:07am On Aug 23, 2020 |
OruExpress:Are you willing to fight for the failure called One Nigeria? |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Osun27: 6:11am On Aug 23, 2020 |
[s] Yebosola:[/s] |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Dedetwo(m): 6:13am On Aug 23, 2020 |
LukasPodolski:The above crap buttresses a person with lower than average human intellect. I know tribe which branded some of her seeds as Abobaku. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by OruExpress: 6:26am On Aug 23, 2020 |
Dedetwo:Is this question your plan? Be honest. If I said yes will you have to adjust your plan for survival? |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Dedetwo(m): 6:51am On Aug 23, 2020 |
OruExpress:Only a fool will remotely think that war of independence is not an instantaneous action. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by OruExpress: 7:31am On Aug 23, 2020 |
Dedetwo:lol, so someone will plan what they'll wear for the day but won't plan for a war lol. It's just people waking up one day for the sake od running around and shooting |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by oyatz(m): 8:49am On Aug 23, 2020 |
Your hatred for Tinubu will not allow you to reason well. Tinubu is not an Igboman or a Biafran, why blaming him for failure to recreate Biafra? Ategberoson: |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Ategberoson(m): 8:52am On Aug 23, 2020 |
[s] oyatz:[/s] I'm a true born Yoruba man and Tinubu is a failed leader, I know what some northern leaders do for their youths and yet they don't asslick them why should I lick the butt of a capitalist like Tinubu, a man who packed some few people to extort them in the course of growing them |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by oyatz(m): 8:52am On Aug 23, 2020 |
Angas, Afizeres,Barbur, Bolawa, Chibok,Chamba and Doguwa Tribes Igbochief001: |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by oyatz(m): 9:16am On Aug 23, 2020 |
And how is Tinubu becoming a Saint a prerequisite for the successful creation of Biafra? Ategberoson: |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by PROUDIGBO(m): 10:57am On Aug 23, 2020 |
OruExpress:You example of South-Africa and Ghana is way off mark mate! For a start, these countries have the option of having relations with Nigeria or not......same thing would happen when 'one Nigeria' separates from Ndigbo or Biafra! Also, these countries can choose the level and type of relations they can have with any other country and can initiate laws (whether rightly or wrongly) to either regulate such relations or eliminate it completely as we see and have seen in countries like Ghana (with Nigerians) and Idi Amins' Uganda (with the Indians)! So yes, with Ndigbo seceding in whatever form, you do have the opportunity to either regulate your relations with them or eliminate said relationship completely! I do remember El-Rufai making a comment on the level of Igbo ownership of landed properties in Abuja (the FCT), but i'm still not convinced on your claim of it being said that Igbos own 30 to 40 percent of landed properties in the west.....not even Lagos that's supposed to be the commercial/industrial capital of the country! If you have any links to quotes in this regard then feel free to share! How can you say DEFINITIVELY that Igbos in the so called south-south (of which i'm one) and other ethnicities would NOT support Ndigbo in the even of war breaking out? Are you then implying they will support the Fulani to sustain 'one Nigeria'? You kid no one mate! The best you and i can predict, and what i've been arguing since yesterday, is that these grps and ethnicities will act based on self-interest! Will it be in their self-interest to sustain 'one Nigeria' which has refused them ownership of their own resources and given them a miserly 13%; which has caused unprecedented levels of pollution in their region; which has caused socio-economic dislocation and brought about the rise of kidnappings, cultism and militant agitators; which has taken the headquarters of oil and gas coys to other regions; which has told them (in words and deeds) that they're not fit to provide a president as they're not on the same level as some other ethnicities and regions that have produced presidents many times over; that hasn't provided a level playing field and given equal opportunities for appointments and location of projects for all regions of the country (other grps/regions -Ohaneze, PANDEF, Afenifere, etc- have complained about this too, not just the so called south-south); etc! Given the aforementioned, commonsense dictates these grps will either fight on the side of self-emancipation (in whatever form this would take), or sit on the fence and not be involved! You said, "If you see people say Fulani president nobody flinches. Let Pete Obi come out to contest against Atiku and tell me who Nigerians will question and who they'll accept. In fact we have willingly voted in several. Say Igbo president and tell me the idea is as welcomed.......". This one made me laugh walahi! Dude, if this is the common belief by the Fulani oligarchs, then i can only say you lot are getting too comfortable in your delusions and have a serious messianic complex! The only grp of people that would hold such a position and belief are some Yoruba and the core muslim north! These are the two grps that either view Ndigbo with suspicion or harbour negative sentiments towards us. The core muslim north has taken advantage of the mistrust and bickering between the Igbo and Yoruba, and used it to play one against the other; this is the main reason for their gains in national politics....coupled with rigging and manipulating the electoral process as well! So don't delude yourself that anyone outside the core muslim north and some Yoruba would prefer a Fulani over a Igbo as president! Reagarding your last paragraph; yet again, this is what i've been saying since yesterday! That the rest of Nigeria kowtowed to the dictates and bullying of the Fulani hegemony in the late 60s no mean say dem go continue the mumu for this 21st century....everybody eye don open today! Today the dynamics have changed and you can't pull wool over anybodies eyes like you did in 1966/67, when you painted Ndigbo as the 'big, bad, greedy enemy' the 'holy Fulani' have come to deliver the Niger-Deltans and other Nigerians from! Today everyone will make up their own minds and act first and foremost based on their self-interest! ![]() |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by TRUTHaDDICTED(m): 12:45pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
bigpriik:Oga, sorry we may disappoint your purpose for this question because there are two possible motives behind your question. 1) This maybe a way to obtain some strategic information on the plans and arrangements by IPOB. 2) Probably because you're afraid of war and wants to know wether it will actually happen. I can only tell you with every amount of guarantee that Biafra will be a reality in less than 1 year from now. It is not our intention to push for war, but of course you don't expect us to relax when war is brought to us, and we're not taking the Nigeria faceless and murderous government for granted, and we're not shaking and our balance must not be underestimated. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by ABULARdotCOM: 12:48pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
LukasPodolski: why bother to reply? You should allow them continue in their self delusion. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by mabea: 12:58pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
OruExpress:Do you mean Igbos forcefully take your land by way of genocide without paying for it in order to dominate you? |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by mabea: 1:02pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
LukasPodolski:Imagine the kind of thing that comes out of somebody's mouth. In fact how has the igbo be a bad neighbor to him if not envy as he clearly stated. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by bigpriik(op): 1:32pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
TRUTHaDDICTED:Not really I just want to know how possible it is to actualize it because it seems Igbos especially our elites are divided on issues concernind biafra it's like a 50/50 half want put and half don't... |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by TRUTHaDDICTED(m): 3:43pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
bigpriik:There're some on going underground activities which can not be disclosed for public consumption, all I can tell you is that Biafra will be a reality in no distant time. |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Franzinni: 9:21am On Aug 25, 2020 |
Igbochief001:I would name just one Fulani |
| Re: How Possible Is Biafra Actualization Without War? by Nobody: 9:29am On Aug 25, 2020 |
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....they emerge from the people, and if the people are fed up sharing the same country with a murderous, expansionist and power-hungry set of individuals, it should reflect in the choices their leaders make on the national stage! As we speak, leadership in Nigeria doesn't reflect the true feelings and aspirations of their people and only someone not true to himself will deny this! Leadership in Nigeria is all about sub-national and self-interest, feathering ones nest and it has gone downhill since the days of the likes of Dr Opkara, Awo, Zik and Aminu kano! Democracy in Nigeria is a huge joke and has been taken over and corrupted by godfathers, thugs and illegal immigrants! The call for a referendum by IPOB and Mazi Kanu have never been more strident and presistent, but why do you think the gov't would rather spill blood of innocents than support a UN backed referendum to hold? It's because they know what the outcome will be, so all this talk of 'what they leaders want' is rubbish!
