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Spy360:
@ Jodera

I restricted it to Arsenal so that iamoyindamola will not think it's only other clubs that make mistakes and every player Arsenal released must be useless.

For Madrid, who told you they exchanged Scnieder and Robben for Ronaldo? Even if that was the case, there was still an opportunity cost as both players went on to peak further especially Robben and could have saved Madrid in those few years of mediocrity. The luck they have is that they have enough money to replace missed alternatives/opportunities.

But like I said, these things are normal. It's a game of win and lose.

No, it's good you restricted it to arsenal, cos as iamoyindamola says, arsenal have one of the average youth academy products. So he challenged you to bring players who went and become superstars like gnabry is for Bayern. Even me sef I'm finding it hard to find any.. Lol.

See, there'll always be opportunity cost, in every business, there'll always be losses, it's just ensuring your profit exceeds your loss or as Blueray said about risk mgt, you count the cost of one for a potential big profit. I remember us having Sanchez the duration gnabry left us, would you think I would want gnabry over Sanchez then? Since gnabry wants a transfer, we sold him and get our profit while Sanchez is giving us the results. The reward is greater than the risk and that's what blueray is trying to tell you since. Niles is at best a squad player for arsenal for the past how many years, we should sell him if there's bid and use it to get a good top player. If he succeeds in another club fine, if not, good luck to him. I'm tired of Wenger philosophy to be honest, no more time..

Spy360:
Different reasons could make a club release a player like in the case of Lukaku, playing style. If Ozil leaves and turns to Messi 2.0 else where we will understand. But and but, we lost something. Yes we may have gained somehow, but we lost something.

AMN brought up the argument, releasing him as a surplus may turn out in two opposite ways, but if he blows we lose the buying club gains. It becomes an opportunity cost to us. If he flops it's our gain. It could go either way. For someone to conclude that AMN has passed his peak is being short sighted and ignorant.

Nobody says he's passed his peak. We just said he can't see him as a upcoming potential again to hold down a spot. So why not sell him and get someone who can do that job greatly. That's the point. Iwobi is another example, he's good but he has so many flaws, best biz is we sell him and buy and top player that can give us more than iwobi. If iwobi shines elsewhere, then fine, it comes with the business, but we shouldn't brood over something that is past(except if the trend keeps repeating and we're getting worse off).

Likewise, if we can sell Niles and reinvest the money properly, nothing will concern us if Niles is shining elsewhere (except he turn messi) as long as our own players are shining. Simple.
Gnabry just shine well this season oo, if we're playing like man city or Liverpool, do you think you'll give a fvck about gnabry?

Jodera:
No, it's good you restricted it to arsenal, cos as iamoyindamola says, arsenal have one of the average youth academy products. So he challenged you to bring players who went and become superstars like gnabry is for Bayern. Even me sef I'm finding it hard to find any.. Lol.

See, there'll always be opportunity cost, in every business, there'll always be losses, it's just ensuring your profit exceeds your loss or as Blueray said about risk mgt, you count the cost of one for a potential big profit. I remember us having Sanchez the duration gnabry left us, would you think I would want gnabry over Sanchez then? Since gnabry wants a transfer, we sold him and get our profit while Sanchez is giving us the results. The reward is greater than the risk and that's what blueray is trying to tell you since. Niles is at best a squad player for arsenal for the past how many years, we should sell him if there's bid and use it to get a good top player. If he succeeds in another club fine, if not, good luck to him. I'm tired of Wenger philosophy to be honest, no more time..

You can't find any? I listed 6 bro

And I said apart from Kane others won CL.

He even talked about Diarra as if he's shiit. The guy was a major player for Real Madrid.

What of Sylvinho? He was a major player for Barcelona.

All of them had the same effect on fans as Gnabry.

I am not saying we should be crying. I am saying no one knows tomorrow.

We can sell AMN because we think he is average, but that doesn't mean he cannot find his stars.

I will sell AMN for a good price, but I must also acknowledge that there may be an opportunity cost.

Jodera:
No, it's good you restricted it to arsenal, cos as iamoyindamola says, arsenal have one of the average youth academy products. So he challenged you to bring players who went and become superstars like gnabry is for Bayern. Even me sef I'm finding it hard to find any.. Lol.

See, there'll always be opportunity cost, in every business, there'll always be losses, it's just ensuring your profit exceeds your loss or as Blueray said about risk mgt, you count the cost of one for a potential big profit. I remember us having Sanchez the duration gnabry left us, would you think I would want gnabry over Sanchez then? Since gnabry wants a transfer, we sold him and get our profit while Sanchez is giving us the results. The reward is greater than the risk and that's what blueray is trying to tell you since. Niles is at best a squad player for arsenal for the past how many years, we should sell him if there's bid and use it to get a good top player. If he succeeds in another club fine, if not, good luck to him. I'm tired of Wenger philosophy to be honest, no more time..

Especially when the player have one good season, he will request for transfer immediately na that player club suppose loyal to?
Rvp transfer still they pain me because the idiot had just one good season before he requested for transfer and wengay have been nursing his injuries since forever

Jodera:
Nobody says he's passed his peak. We just said he can't see him as a upcoming potential again to hold down a spot. So why not sell him and get someone who can do that job greatly. That's the point. Iwobi is another example, he's good but he has so many flaws, best biz is we sell him and buy and top player that can give us more than iwobi. If iwobi shines elsewhere, then fine, it comes with the business, but we shouldn't brood over something that is past(except if the trend keeps repeating and we're getting worse off).

Likewise, if we can sell Niles and reinvest the money properly, nothing will concern us if Niles is shining elsewhere (except he turn messi) as long as our own players are shining. Simple.
Gnabry just shine well this season oo, if we're playing like man city or Liverpool, do you think you'll give a fvck about gnabry?

Simple. Good enough. Everything you said here meets my point. We are good.

Spy360:
You can't find any? I listed 6 bro

And I said apart from Kane others won CL.

He even talked about Diarra as if he's shiit. The guy was a major player for Real Madrid.

What of Sylvinho? He was a major player for Barcelona.

All of them had the same effect on fans as Gnabry.

I am not saying we should be crying. I am saying no one knows tomorrow.

We can sell AMN because we think he is average, but that doesn't mean he cannot find his stars.

I will sell AMN for a good price, but I must also acknowledge that there may be an opportunity cost.

I think this is the issue of our back and forth..
So lemme ask.
1.. If you acknowledge that there's an opportunity cost and he turns out good like debruyne, what will you do?

2..Also, what would you do the mitigate the negative effect of the opportunity cost you're acknowledging.

If you can answer this two, I would love to hear your view

iamoyindamola:
Especially when the player have one good season, he will request for transfer immediately na that player club suppose loyal to?
Rvp transfer still they pain me because the idiot had just one good season before he requested for transfer and wengay have been nursing his injuries since forever

This is not about ready made stars like RVP or stubborn players like Ozil.

It's about players who are young unearthed raw talents.

I mentioned Andy Cole.

Do you know that Cole played for Arsenal before Newcastle who then sold him United?

The story holds that the coach then, George Graham chose Kevin Campbell ahead of him.

It's like Wenger choosing to sign Walcott instead of Bale. Even when Southampton asked him to collect Bale instead. Imagine if we got Bale, this your stupid Walcott is better than CR7 would not have come up.

iamoyindamola:
Especially when the player have one good season, he will request for transfer immediately na that player club suppose loyal to?
Rvp transfer still they pain me because the idiot had just one good season before he requested for transfer and wengay have been nursing his injuries since forever

Rvp own na shocker!!
Seriously, we need to be ruthless.
All these pampering of Gibbs, wilshere, Ramsey, diaby them, see where it landed us. The aforementioned 4 are no where to be found sef. If you don't give any top performance to nail a spot for at least 2 seasons, any bid that comes, we suppose sell, while looking for a replacement.
Simple

Jodera:
Rvp own na shocker!!
Seriously, we need to be ruthless.
All these pampering of Gibbs, wilshere, Ramsey, diaby them, see where it landed us. The aforementioned 4 are no where to be found sef. If you don't give any top performance to nail a spot for at least 2 seasons, any bid that comes, we suppose sell, while looking for a replacement.
Simple

Willock and Nelson should be next
No time!!!

iamoyindamola:
Willock and Nelson should be next
No time!!!

I fit pity nelson, but you see willock.
Na straight to crystal palace him suppose dey go

Jodera:
I think this is the issue of our back and forth..
So lemme ask.
1.. If you acknowledge that there's an opportunity cost and he turns out good like debruyne, what will you do?

2..Also, what would you do the mitigate the negative effect of the opportunity cost you're acknowledging.

If you can answer this two, I would love to hear your view

Thanks for asking.

1. Like all opportunity costs, you rue your losses.

2. Restrategise in case of future occurrence. Such as including buy back clauses, or bonus payments for future deals if the player moves to a higher club.

A club like RB Leipzig has affiliates in other countries where their prospects can move to. We can decide to be feeding a club in Germany, Holland, France or Spain.


NB: As you can see the argument is to just acknowledge that you missed something.

Spy360:
Thanks for asking.

1. Like all opportunity costs, you rue your losses.

2. Restrategise in case of future occurrence. Such as including buy back clauses, or bonus payments for future deals if the player moves to a higher club.

A club like RB Leipzig has affiliates in other countries where their prospects can move to. We can decide to be feeding a club in Germany, Holland, France or Spain.


NB: As you can see the argument is to just acknowledge that you missed something.

OK...
We're good then.
I've understood you perfectly now

Jodera:
I fit pity nelson, but you see willock.
Na straight to crystal palace him suppose dey go

I can't pity Nelson because he and Sancho were like twins

iamoyindamola:
I can't pity Nelson because he and Sancho were like twins

Which Sancho?

Spy360:
Which Sancho?

Go and read it up, Sancho and Nelson grew up and played together

iamoyindamola:
I can't pity Nelson because he and Sancho were like twins

Hian!
Lol
You funny oo

iamoyindamola:
Go and read it up, Sancho and Nelson grew up and played together

The Sancho that Man Utd wants to pay 100m for?
So why sell Nelson?

iamoyindamola:
Willock and Nelson should be next No time!!!

Willock, our asst captain?

iamoyindamola:
Willock and Nelson should be next
No time!!!

Nelson has not been given enough chance IMO. He has been excellent anytime he is called upon . As for Willock,the guy no just get sense. Maybe I'm being too emotional but I kinda like his football style.

Spy360:
Willock, our asst captain?

who dash am?

Spy360:
The Sancho that Man Utd wants to pay 100m for?

So why sell Nelson?

They should be in the same level then in terms of performance

mostob:
Nelson has not been given enough chance IMO. He has been excellent anytime he is called upon . As for Willock,the guy no just get sense. Maybe I'm being too emotional but I kinda like his football style.

I no gree for Nelson the guy still haven't reach his potential at all

iamoyindamola:
I no gree for Nelson the guy still haven't reach his potential at all

I don't think he has played enough.

Who the f*** is Nelson for god's sake.

Dayum

odizeey:
Who the f*** is Nelson for god's sake.
Dayum

The person your Odoi wish to become one day.

mostob:
The person your Odoi wish to become one day.

God forbid. Who is odoi?

iamoyindamola:
Especially when the player have one good season, he will request for transfer immediately na that player club suppose loyal to?
Rvp transfer still they pain me because the idiot had just one good season before he requested for transfer and wengay have been nursing his injuries since forever

Till today I still feel the sting of betrayal I felt the first time.
Almost the same way I felt when Hleb left.
Not so much for Vermaleen and Song though.
Just imagine then, if we had the likes of RVP, Hleb, Rosicky, Nasri, Fabregas, Song and fit Diaby... and Wenger also made the right investment in players without hesitation...
Omo! Arsenal would have dominated the league or gave Man United a run for their money.
We don too fvck up for this club Sha...

Fkforyou:
Till today I still feel the sting of betrayal I felt the first time.
Almost the same way I felt when Hleb left.
Not so much for Vermaleen and Song though.
Just imagine then, if we had the likes of RVP, Hleb, Rosicky, Nasri, Fabregas, Song and fit Diaby... and Wenger also made the right investment in players without hesitation...
Omo! Arsenal would have dominated the league or gave Man United a run for their money.
We don too fvck up for this club Sha...

You said it all

mostob:
Nelson has not been given enough chance IMO. He has been excellent anytime he is called upon . As for Willock,the guy no just get sense. Maybe I'm being too emotional but I kinda like his football style.

Wow! And I hate his football style..

No technique, no vision, no style...

Omo the guy is just there jare, I don't know what he is still doing at Arsenal. He should be sold ASAP...of course with a buy back clause, which I doubt we would ever trigger.

Jodera:
I fit pity nelson, but you see willock.
Na straight to crystal palace him suppose dey go

Just as we have been discussing, right now these players are not producing anything, then very soon their contracts will remain one year and they would begin to itch for more playing time . The best thing is to
1. Loan them to a weaker PL side (like Crystal Palace as you mentioned)
2. Sell them to a weaker PL side with a buy back clause anytime he wants to move
3. Add a sell-on clause, in case he blows but not to our required standard

We do not have to suffer after investing and tolerating so much bullshiit only for the player to now turn Hotkid immediately after leaving us.

mostob:
who dash am?

Willock was captaain against MK Dons

Lol, una don enter one chance

iamoyindamola:
I can't pity Nelson because he and Sancho were like twins

They grew up close together although Reiss was slightly older but that doesn’t mean anything na.

Every football player has people who they grew up with but couldn’t make it in football.