John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

So Jesus shared Glory with the Father before even the word was, wooooow

Who is this Jesus?

Remember God shares His glory with no one

Wait, Righteousness89 Wil give us a precise briefing about Him soonest

He is the same and one with the Father God Almighty.

He is just a Roman creation.. To deceive gullible people..

Preciousgirl:

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

So Jesus shared Glory with the Father before even the word was, wooooow

Who is this Jesus?

Remember God shares His glory with no one

To claim to know who Jesus is, is to make yourself the very Yahweh!

Jesus Himself said:

“My Father has handed over everything to me. Indeed, no one fully knows the Son except the Father, and no one fully knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son wishes to reveal him. Mat 11:27 CJB

The Son reveals who the Father is to us in His person why the scripture reveals to us what we need to know about the Son!

Do you share the same dna with your parents. As a human being, do you share the glory of a human being. Until you realize that the Lord Jesus Christ is the son of God, and as a son share the same glory and everything with God, you will never understand

Jesus Christ is a fictitious character formed by Paul the Apostle. Earlier, there was no Christianity but Judaism. Then the need arose for the Romans to create another god which will replace Jehovah the god of Judaism. Then Paul came up with Jesus Christ with the aid of Philo and Josephus. Read the history below:

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Chapter Four
1. Saul was a male homo sapiens born in the 280,007th year of the homo sapiens era, same as the 7CE. The name of his father was Maximus. Now Maximus, a man who loved phiosophy, began to train his son in philosophy but when his wife died, he could not continue.
2. The death of Junia his wife affected him so much such that he began to fall ill. Saul was only eight years old when his mother died. He could not be pacified by his father who said to him, the gods understand our plight.
3. Then Saul said, if the gods understand, why can they not do anything about it to prevent the death of my mother? Maximus had not provided the answer to the question of Saul before he died. When he had died, the house which he dwelt was offered for sale.
4. Then Gamaliel, being a young man known in Jerusalem for his mastery of the Jewish tradition, came to inspect the house. For he thought to buy it for a place of abode where he could go to have some rest whenever he was on break.
5. Now Gamaliel discovered that the child of the house owner was there. So he adopted Saul and took him to Jerusalem to live with his own children who were kids also. So Saul grew in Jerusalem in the house of Gamaliel. And those who knew him thought of him as a Jew.
6. Now when Gamaliel had been promoted, he was well famed in Jerusalem. He was a very good orator also, this he taught Saul and his own children. He also taught them about Yahweh and all the things written in the Torah.
7. Now Saul wondered how in Tarsus, the people went about believing other gods but in Judea, the god called Yahweh was the one they believed, yet there seemed to be no suspicion of falsehood with either of their beliefs. Then Saul concluded in his mind that the gods of the earth were localised rather than global.
8. When Saul was of the age twenty-nine, he was well versed in philosophy, for he studied the philosophies of the Greeks, including the ones of Plato and Aristotle. Then he began to observe histories of different places. He saw that at every point in time, the gods of the people changed.
9. Then Saul decided to bring a change to the god of the Jews and of the Greeks and Romans, thinking that if he could unite the gods of the people, turning them into a single god, there would be peace among the three cultures. Then equally, the prophecy of the coming 'messiah' whom the Jews expected would have a fulfillment in the god which he would make.
10. So Saul obtained the names of two Greek gods named Zeus and Dionysus and one of the Roman gods originating from the Gaulish, named Esus. Then he came about a name called Zeusus. He did so when he was aged 42 years old.
11. When he showed this to Varnavas his colleague, he agreed with him that the name of that god should be called Zeusus. However, the name was Romanized to Iesus when an unexpected aged man named Philo visited them from Alexandria.
12. This man revealed 'Zeusus' as the name which the god should be called, even before he saw the name written by Saul and Varnavas. But one young man named Apollos differed, for he revealed the name Hesbon, which was different from that revealed by the other three.
13. Then Apollos departed from them to speak of Hesbon his own god.
14. Then Philo advised that the name should be properly romanised because the Romans shall not accept anything less of their language. For they were the superior people at that time. So the name of the god was called Iesus.
15. Then Kristus was chosen to be the name of his title, for it was the romanised form of Krista, who was commonly regarded as a saviour in the Hindu culture.
16. Now Saul kept away his identity as a godmaker and continued to associate with the Jews. And when he went to be with the few people whom he and his colleagues had converted to Christianity, he also behaved like one of them.
17. Now a year after the death of Philo his motivator, his foster father Gamaliel also died. Then Saul went to Jerusalem to observe his funeral rites. He went with some of his christian converts and ordered them all to keep silent concerning the doctrine of Iesus which he had taught them.
18. Then one of the people said to him, why do you tell us to keep silent concerning the messiah whom they expect? Should they not know that this messiah has come and they have connived with the Jews to kill him?
19. Now Saul said, it is not time for Jerusalem to know this. Therefore keep your peace. So no one in Jerusalem suspected that Saul, whom they knew as a pharisee had begun another religion.
20. When Saul, well known as Paul, had found Marcus, a young man who was very skilled at writing, he said to him, Marcus, you shall be he who shall write for us a good story concerning this god Iesus Kristus which we have made.
21. So Marcus began to write the story, according to the thoughts of his head, but he worked with the materials of history so that he could put fictitious events which he claimed to have occured in their best places in history.
22. Now when Marcus wrote deep into the night on a particular date, he fell into a trance and saw some people who said to him, you are in the right track. For your purpose on earth is to indeed write history for Iesus Krista who was formerly called Faulkin in the past world.
23. But he has rejected to be reincarnated into your world at this era because his personality has changed. His desires have changed also, saying, what is the pleasure derived from deception? I shall not deceive the whole world twice. I shall not also allow the prophecy of Waldis the firstborn female of all living creatures to be fulfilled over me. For she said of me, he will deceive the world twice.
24. Now Marcus, the god of Judea is interested in the god which you have made, knowing that through this god alone can his name be made famous all over the world. Therefore go and write great things concerning this god.
25. Whatever you think, write, for they have our inspirations in them. And if need be, you shall make adjustments, because we cannot see the future of your world all at once, but only bit by bit.
26. Be conversant with the current happenings in your world and by these happenings shall you make adjustments every now and then.
27. When Marcus awoke, he went to tell Paul, Varnavas and other chief Christians the things which he had seen. And he said, I saw myself in the past. For the things which we do presently seemed to be what we had done in the past.
28. When Marcus had written down things concerning Iesus Krista, Paul and Varnavas checked and were satisfied with what he had written. Around that time, report came to Paul that Apollos went about to preach concerning a god named Hesbon.
29. Now the things which Apollos preached were similar to the teachings of Paul, but the names of the gods whom they preached were different. Therefore Paul, knowing that Apollos was a better speaker than himself, approached him and said, let us not be divided between ourselves.
30. I have heard how some people already say that they are for you while some say that they belong to me. This will bring division and neither your religion nor mine shall stand. Therefore let us do things in common and preach the same god.
31. Now Apollos said, I am not satisfied with the use of the name Zeus to make a new god. But from Hesus and Boni have I made up the word Hesbon. However, I got a revelation and a personality named Hesbon actually appeared to me and revealed to me that he is real.
32. He said that the picking of the two names to make up one is not by coincidence, because any names or words picked at random can lead to something already in existence when they are put together to form one. This is the power in the use of words.
33. Therefore I shall not drop the name Hesbon for the god which I tell the people about because truly this Hesbon exists. Moreso, I hate Zeus from the depth of my soul, yet I cannot tell the reason for my hatred towards him.
34. Now Paul said, what do you think of the name Iesus? Truly it was not a coincidence that both Philo and I produced the same name Zeusus for that god. And when we worked upon it, we had the name Iesus.
35. Then I dreamt that such name actually existed in the past. This is to say that the coincidences of the present are the actual happenings of the past.
36. Then Marcus, the cousin of Varnavas also dreamt of the reality of this Iesus. Therefore we believe that this name is the most befitting for the god we have made.
37. Now when both Paul and Apollos could not agree at a single name, Paul said, for our religion to become one and to last long or forever, let us use the title Christus rather than the names Iesus or Hesbon.
38. So henceforth no one shall hear the names Iesus or Hesbon from our mouths or in our scripts, but Christus shall they see and hear. So from then on, both Apollos and Paul became united. And Apollos was a better speaker than Paul, so it was he who did much of the talking while Paul concentrated more in the writing of letters and scripts to the converts of different places.
39. Now Paul had different followers, including John, the brother of a certain Jacob who was killed when he challenged Agrippa the king concerning how he had kept silent about the matter of the stolen boats of Zebedi his father.
40. And when John had paid much attention to the whole concept of Iesus Kristus as presented by Paul and Apollos, he said, I can make a better write-up than Marcus. So John began to write concerning Iesus Kristus. And it was he who first revealed that Iesus Krista was the word who became flesh.
41. And he wrote of himself and James his late brother as if they existed with that Iesus Kristus. And when he fell into a trance, he was told that both himself and James actually existed with Zeusus Krista of the past world.
42. When Paul began to show much interest in the scripts written by John over that which Marcus had written, Varnavas was jealous and dissatisfied, because Paul had sidelined the scripts of his cousin. Then he took Marcus with him and left Paul to preach of Iesus elsewhere.
43. When the churches noticed that Paul was no more with Varnavas and Marcus, they questioned him. Then Paul said, Marcus is not fit for the work of Christus, because he loved to enjoy the fruit of other people's labour. He does not like to go out to convert souls, rather, he likes to take the glory which comes from conversion of souls, putting himself in front whenever we go for follow ups.
44. Now the church accepted the sayings of Paul and his new company. Then they gave to him a young man named Silas to help him in his missionary work.

While Jesus is not the same as the father, he is the reflection of the father and except the father reveals the Son and the Son reveals the father no one can know them.

Preciousgirl:

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

So Jesus shared Glory with the Father before even the word was, wooooow

Who is this Jesus?

Remember God shares His glory with no one

The Father + The Son + The Spirit. = God (Jehovah)

Acehart:


The Father + The Son + The Spirit. = God (Jehovah)

It is not equal to God Almighty, rather it is equal to a god called Jehovah, who is a creature of God Almighty.

OtemAtum:


It is not equal to God Almighty, rather it is equal to a god called Jehovah, who is a creature of God Almighty.

Who created the creature, God Almighty?

solite3:
While Jesus is not the same as the father, he is the reflection of the father and except the father reveals the Son and the Son reveals the father no one can know them.

If you claim that Jesus whom I serve was made up, then how are you 100% sure that whatever book you got this info from wasn't also made up

Acehart:


Who created the creature, God Almighty?

God Almighty (Totality of Existence, a great source of energy) can neither be created nor destroyed.

Perfectbeing:
If you claim that Jesus whom I serve was made up, then how are you 100% sure that whatever book you got this info from wasn't also made up

Commonsense and logic brings me to that conclusion. BTW, you are quoting the wrong person. Check and requote.

Acehart:


The Father + The Son + The Spirit. = God (Jehovah)

How did you manage to divide God into three parts?

OtemAtum:
God Almighty (Totality of Existence, a great source of energy) can neither be created nor destroyed.

You said: “a great source of energy”; this means there are other sources of energy. Therefore, this means that this ‘God Almighty’ is not alone.

sonmvayina:


How did you manage to divide God into three parts?

I didn’t divide God into three parts; if I did, I would have written: The Father * The Son * The Spirit.

Acehart:


I didn’t divide God into three parts; if I did, I would have written: The Father * The Son * The Spirit.

So how many gods are there?..

Perfectbeing:
If you claim that Jesus whom I serve was made up, then how are you 100% sure that whatever book you got this info from wasn't also made up

You are mistaking me for someone else.

Acehart:


You said: “a great source of energy”; this means there are other sources of energy. Therefore, this means that this ‘God Almighty’ is not alone.

Everything in existence is one great matrix of ENERGY. Trillions, gazillions and uncountable number of things carrying one energy or the other belong to this single matrix. I will show you a model to drive home my point.

There was never any need for Jesus.. God created man in his image and likeness. Man is a being made up of God's spirit or breadth dwelling within a body he fashioned from the dust of the earth. God gave man his laws, but only the jews (Torah) and the igbos (omenala) are the only people to accept it. They will forever be God's chosen people. When we broke the covenant God sent our enemies to over run us, and disperse us that at least we will retrace our steps and come back to him.. But instead we have chosen to worship the idol(Jesus) that the Roman empire has set up.. We cut ourselves from our roots and we are suffering and dying... But God has promised to save the remanant..psalm 119 is a long love poem about the laws of God..

Death is but an illusion, we where never that body, which is but a vessel. It is just a change of worlds. God spirit is pure it does not need saving from anything. When the prophet spoke of salvation it is always from physical danger. So whether 1 Jesus died or 100000000, it has no effect on anything.it can't change God's laws, that is why the creator calls it an abomination.. Come back home my people.. Remember the time as of old,. And come back to our first love..

sonmvayina:


So how many gods are there?..

1

Acehart:


1

Why were you dividing God into 3 parts.. Arrange yourself..

sonmvayina:


Why were you dividing God into 3 parts.. Arrange yourself..

If I divided God unto three parts, I would have written: (The Father*The Son)*The Spirit.

I’d like to ask you this question: How many parts is a school of fish? What is the name for a school of fish?

OtemAtum:
Everything in existence is one great matrix of ENERGY. Trillions, gazillions and uncountable number of things carrying one energy or the other belong to this single matrix. I will show you a model to drive home my point.

Your illustration looks like the symbol of the Cross of Calvary. I like your illustration.

Acehart:


Your illustration looks like the symbol of the Cross of Calvary. I like your illustration.

When a wise man points to the moon, a fooool looks at his finger..

Acehart:


Your illustration looks like the symbol of the Cross of Calvary. I like your illustration.

That's infinity sign, not a cross.

Preciousgirl:

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

So Jesus shared Glory with the Father before even the word was, wooooow

Who is this Jesus?

Remember God shares His glory with no one

Jesus is God's Son!

It's you that applied your own interpretation to God's word!

Jesus never said he shared God's glory, but he was glorified alongside his father. Muhammad Buhari was sword in as Nigerian's President and his family had the glory alongside Buhari of being the first family in Nigeria But when his wife overstepped her boundary Buhari made it clear to her that she belongs to his kitchen!

So she had the glory alongside him as the first lady but nobody shares the glory of Nigerian President as the commander in chief of all the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria!

Maximus69:


Jesus is God's Son! :)

It's you that applied your own interpretation to God's word!

Jesus never said he shared God's glory, but he was glorified alongside his father. Muhammad Buhari was sword in as Nigerian's President and his family had the glory alongside Buhari of being the first family in Nigeria But when his wife overstepped her boundary Buhari made it clear to her that she belongs to his kitchen!

So she had the glory alongside him as the first lady but nobody shares the glory of Nigerian President as the commander in chief of all the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria!

Then who are you in relation to God?

Sonmvayina, you can face religionsists on your own.
This is between those who believe in the existence of Jesus, so if you have anything to say face religionsists with whatever you think as for me i'm through with you!

sonmvayina:


Then who are you in relation to God?

Maximus69:
Sonmvayina, you can face religionsists on your own.
This is between those who believe in the existence of Jesus, so if you have anything to say face religionsists with whatever you think as for me i'm through with you!

LOL.. You just don't want to know.. You are so comfortable with believing the unbelievable... Something you know those not make sense, but you choose to suspend the use of your God given intellect to believe absurdities.. When the time comes, you go get sense.. Keep wallowing I. Ignorance..