₦airaland Forum

kikero:
So if you were running a business,and fifty percent of the people that patronise your business dont pay for the goods and services offered, and the remaining insist on paying 50% of the cost price, would your business prosper

By your reasoning, you would agree to such terms because 'Nigerians are poor'

And you'll be broke

It is because 'Nigerians are poor'' that we have poor power supply.

You cannot buy a Ferrari at the price of a bicycle

I'm sorry, but power is a business. And businesses make money. They aren't charities.

Because if they don't make money, how then are we going to improve power.?

Good evening.

You simply stop providing the services. It's as simple as that. Now before you come at me with the whole it's not easy to do,bypass will still exist, etc,mind you that the current problem will still exist even if the electricity is provided 24/7. it's the job of the govt to slap defaulters with fines and take measures to prevent such things from happening.

That is why these companies pay tax to the govt to make sure their interest are protected. If people bypass and don't pay then the fault lies at the feet of the govt for not protecting these companies.

Now,if we're to pay higher for electricity,the question is who will pay?? It's not even a question of whether Nigerians are poor or not cause people just won't afford it. Take a look back at our NEPA days and the modern day estimated bill to get a guess of what will happen when such is on ground.

Nigerians will gladly pay for electricity if it's provided. Almost every home has generator sets and you can't use one without petrol. It maybe a little different from what is obtainable from normal usage but they'll pay.

The gencos who make loses are still in business because of subsidy by the govt. If the govt pulls out and the gencos can't make profit because of bypasses,they will stop generation and these will make the govt enforce these rules on people who don't pay. It's not rocket science

chrisooblog:
a bit complex but here's my laymans understanding of the issues and solutions to them.

1. We don't generate enough megawatts. Nigeria considering the size of population and manufacturing capability would probably need between 30000-50000 MW to guarantee 24/7 electricity. not sure if the combined power generation stations can produce up to 20000 MW.

solution would be to build more power stations which will take time and money. some are already being built in mambilla, taraba. we also need more investment in alternate sources of power like solar wind and water.

2. our transmission and distribution network is poor and decrepit. system needs modernizing so that the little we generate can be effectively distributed. The recently announced siemens deal should hopefully help in that regard. currently we only enjoy 3000-4000 of the 7000 MW generated. when siemens God willing is done with the first phase that should double the transmission and distribution capacity.

3. Government needs to help the power industry through proper regulation establish itself as a proper business enterprise the way GSM did in the early 2000s. this will enable foreign investment and expertise to come in. currently the industry is not conducive for investors to put their money in because they are not sure of making their money back. the increase in electricity tariff was supposed to address that but sadly poor nigerians will be unable to pay due to estimated billing and lack of meters.

hopefully a combination of the siemens deal and scaled up metering should help nigeria get some appreciable amount of power which would reduce reliance on petrol and deisel powered generators.

4. Gas supply is another important issue that should be resolved. good there are some gas pipeline projects coming up which will supply our power stations adequate gas.

Good points bro.
Actually our transmission and distribution network need overhaul for better service delivery.
Also mini grids and network of mini grids should be introduced.

Nigeria has over 160 rivers but they have just 2 or 2 damn. Shiroro, kanji

kikero:
In South Africa

1. People don't bypass their meters, nor do they refuse to pay their bills

2. Bills are subsidized yes, but they have income from agriculture, mining , and a massive industrial and business sector and a tax to GDP ratio of 23% compared to Nigeria's six percent to pay for it

3. Even then Eskom, that's the Azanian equivalent of NEPA or our discos, has been rasing bills for power

4. SA also generates more power than Nigeria. 45 000 mw, part of which comes from nuclear power ( a by product of their nuclear weapons program under arphateid)

Here in Nigeria we have none of that, we refuse to pay our bills , we bypass our meters and we don't pay sufficient tax , and our agro and industrial sector is not producing enough income to pay for subsides. Oil revenue had been falling since 2014 . And corruption is there

And you want us to be like SA?

Good electricity costs money..we no have moneye

You ! Do you realize that Nigerians repair poles, transformers , feed pillars , buy cables etc. Or you are not in Nigeria.
Do this happen in South Africa

Mistakemaker:
What exactly is stopping Nigeria from having 24/7 electricity and making money form it as well as stabilising the economy?

Let's hear people's thooughts

1) national grid. It is corruption. Let there mini grids at state, local govt. And organisations level.

2) alternative sources of power should be invested in by private organisations as business . This might cover an area maybe a few streets.

3) prepaid meters available just like phones

Nigeria get money o. Those guys for the top are catching out big whoever them say them dey invest money for power. Corruption is the issue

Igbochief001:
We don't have the money to invest into power

TechSkill:
oga, I have had power for 1 week with no blinking more than 2-5 minutes and its back on AND this almost 247... who paid for it? ME. I have prepaid meter in my house.

Good, It shows buhari is working.
Sai Baba till eternity!

A country that is giving another country 24hrs light. While their people can't even have 8 hrs light�

FrMbaka:
Electricity is old technology, any serious country will have it 24/7 if they wish.

Nigerian problem is from the constitution forced on us by the Military.

Nigeria is in bondage(Usman Danfodio's pocket)

We need restructuring and decentralisation of power.

Awon wailer
Easy to complain from faceless social media. kontinuu

RPirez:
Your mentality and thought process is a result of a lifetime oppression by your leaders and the mediocre culture of your society.

You believe Nigeria can't easily generate stable power giving some stupid reasons they've imbibed in you.

You wonder why >90% of Nigerians are considered to have mental problems? Not far fetched.

let frustration not kill u. All u know how to do is to insult. smh

Meanwhile Sai baba till eternity

kikero:
What do you think the gencos are?

Plus even if they do what you are suggesting, the fact is many people don't pay their bills at all

The issue is revenue, not who controls what. In a situation where a guy who chases a Disco worker with cutlass , or the customs officer who threatened disco workers with a gun when they discovered his bypassed meter are treated as heroes, with resulting fall in revneu stream...do you think it matters who controls generation?

We better pay our bills. Many of these people who don't pay for power put pressure on those of us who do!

Guy I don get , you dey work for PHCN abi.

Let me educate you. If PHCN render good service nobody will bypass meter.

Let me give an instance. If use an MTN airtime freely today or tamper with their structure , police is more than ready to deal with that person, but if a person beat PHCN staff, police may not be interested in even arresting the person. This is because u give bad services, MTN on the other gives nice services.

Also be educated , if you are serious in your business

No. The politifians are the problem

juman:
The worst thing ever happened to nigeria is the military.
The greedy generals.

law001:
Dumbest question online since lockdown.

Yet u came here to read and comment.
Who is now dumber

ZombieTERROR:
Buhari supporters are wired to suffer for all eternity...

Small countries in Africa have steady power... Wake up this is 2020...

Edit the jargon you wrote up there... Just type sai barber and move on... Zombies everywhere

Sai baba till eternity

Corruption!

Even the poorer countries in Europe have been having stable electricity for more than 30 years now. It's a shame!

kikero:
Look, I blame the government too, many government agencies don't pay for power

But power has been in private hands since 2013.

And the problem is up till recently it cost 53 naira to produce one kWh of electricity. And we were paying 30 naira or less for that kWh

Add the fact that in some areas 40-50% of people were not paying their bills.

And before you about meter , people bypass their meters. And threaten disco workers who catch them.

Power is being run as a business. And we Nigerians are not paying enough for service. In fact government has has to bail out powe sector with 1 trillion naira yearly, and it is estimated they need one trillion naira more

You can call me a Buhari supporter. I am not. I don't even support PDP or APC. But one thing I know. If you were running a business and 50 percent of your customers did not pay for the things they buy from you you would be broke in months.

Let's get real.

Oga calm down, are u the only service providing company in this country, why are your customers not paying for service.
Let prepaid meter be available and u wil see. The truth is all money collected by PHCN staff are not remitted to appropriate quarters, that why you are saying they are not paying bills.
You provide prepaid meter to 95% of Nigeria and you will see boost in revenue

Appswheel:
I am trying to understand your comment. It's quite naive and innocent.

Stable electricity will play an important role in attracting investors to critical areas of the economy.

Not minding what you think, there are millions of SMEs that depends on electricity to deliver their products and services.

Agree or Not, stable electric will put Nigeria on the path of growth. And birth new industries.

we are almost saying the same thing while i'm saying in effect that the lack of power has eventually killed our industries etc. The current populace are after power for vain things

You know the answer already, stop asking irrelevant question

Privatization of the power sector should be properly done.Only companies with a record of performance in the sector should be allowed to play a role.Also,government should leave the sector completely;generation, transmission and distribution, everything should be managed by the private sector. The role of government should be purely regulatory.CBN can assist to secure long term loans.Having 24/7 electricity is easy and not rocket science

allthingsgood:
Yet u came here to read and comment.
Who is now dumber

That your comment is very dumb if you read it one more time.

dukeprince50:
not just PMB but all our past leaders are useless, infact PMB administration brought up the idea of nuclear energy but we kicked against it cos we are scared it will be mismanaged and cause a disaster but we forget nuclear energy is the neatest and most environmental friendly

Stop saying what you dont know. Which PMB brought the idea of Nuclear energy? I have been opportune to do some things with some start ups during Jonathan regime. And has been on pilot study. Total are the ones sponsoring those companies.

Which stupid PMB?

Kaduna1stson:
Incompetent leadership, [s]we chose a man who has never had light as he trained his cows for the past 30 years as president. Failures begets more failures[/s]

God bless Umaru Yar'Adua

did you have 24/7 electriciy before buhari? your last statement was the only thing that made sense.

allthingsgood:
Power generation is not in exclusive list. Get your facts right pls

he is not stating a fact.he is offering an opinion,abate ,an ignorant one.

Will don't have what?? Are u crazy with ur post. Buhari vs cow= slaughter of uneployment.

allthingsgood:
[s]True but that's a long term goal. As at today tho, can u pay for 24/7 electricity[/s]

your arguement is baseless

You dey mind that cow?

bankylan:
Nigeria does not need 200,000MW......Population is not the main factor, though it is a variable, load demand is what determines the required MW to be dispatched. Today we have installed capacity of 13,000 MW and we can only wheel about 6,000 MW. The implication is that we are making CAPACITY PAYMENTS to Gencos as eshrined in the PPAs we signed with them because we can't make use of their full capacity which to them is huge financial investments tied down. People who don't know about the power industry talk about population as a determinant of the needed megawatt, but power engineers and those who are real professionals in the industry don't think this way. What is our load demand as a nation? We just need like 25,000MW now and we will be okay as we don't really have many heavy duty industries besides the fact that our wheeling and distribution capacity can't even cope with the 6000 MW we hover around now.

Yeah. Everything is all about load and not necessarily population

allthingsgood:
Can u even pay for the 24/7 light.

If smaller African countries with poor people can afford 24/7 electricity, why can't we, a bigger wealthy people do so?

Igbochief001:
[s]
Restaurant is pay as u eat ...we are owing for 5000mw we transmit and u want people to invest 46 trillion to give u 24hrs light what's the probability u would pay and not owe[/s]

stop making it look like rocket science.it is doable if we put to it. there is a problem,this is why there is innovation to solve it. with innovation nothing is impossible.

kikero:
[s]That's the problem with Nigeria and electrical power

We keep hoping that someone will come and build the thing for us and pay the maintenance costs for us like magic[/s]

mention those "things" they have built for us that we are using for free??.