The is a gross misunderstanding on the subject of the rapture. This is because so many people misconstrue that our Lord Jesus was addressing the rapture of the church in Matthew 24. Jesus wasn't talking about the rapture of the church as the Church age was even a mystery to our Lord Jesus at that time.

It was addressing the nation of the Isreal. The fulfillment of the prophecies contained in Matthew 24 will only begin to unfold after God is through with the Church.

So, there are two future rapture and two future great tribulation periods. The first rapture is that of the church which will take place before the first great tribulation period. The second rapture is that of 144,000 Jews which will take place in the midst of the second great tribulation. These 144,000 Jews are the elect referred to in Matthew 24.

The second coming of Christ will take place after the great tribulation period when the anti Christ must have been revealed.

Ken4Christ:
The is a gross misunderstanding on the subject of the rapture. This is because so many people misconstrue that our Lord Jesus was addressing the rapture of the church in Matthew 24. Jesus wasn't talking about the rapture of the church as the Church age was even a mystery to our Lord Jesus at that time.

It was addressing the nation of the Isreal. The fulfillment of the prophecies contained in Matthew 24 will only begin to unfold after God is through with the Church.

So, there are two future rapture and two future great tribulation periods. The first rapture is that of the church which will take place before the first great tribulation period. The second rapture is that of 144,000 Jews which will take place in the midst of the second great tribulation. These 144,000 Jews are the elect referred to in Matthew 24.

The second coming of Christ will take place after the great tribulation period when the anti Christ must have been revealed.

Continue to type what you want on social media, just know that Jesus is the TRUTH {John 14:6} and all those on the side of the TRUTH (Jesus) are unified in FAITH {John 17:20-23} whereas all those who are not on the side of the TRUTH (Jesus) are Scattered! Luke 11:23
So no matter how much you try to run away or oppose Jesus' true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) you will continue to see that there is not even a single person that's with you in the things you wish to believe, because it's only the TRUTH that truly unifies {1Corinthians 1:10} falsehood divides! Matthew 12:30

Maximus69:


Continue to type what you want on social media, just know that Jesus is the TRUTH {John 14:6} and all those on the side of the TRUTH (Jesus) are unified in FAITH {John 17:20-23} whereas all those who are not on the side of the TRUTH (Jesus) are Scattered! Luke 11:23
So no matter how much you try to run away or oppose Jesus' true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) you will continue to see that there is not even a single person that's with you in the things you wish to believe, because it's only the TRUTH that truly unifies {1Corinthians 1:10} falsehood divides! Matthew 12:30

If I teach falsehood, you should use Scriptures to debunk it. That I don't get the majority to agree with me on my exposition on this subject doesn't make it false. I believe they are trying to assimilate it because nobody has given them this much details before now. And sometimes it's pride because the information is not coming from their Pastor or from a well known Pastor. But no one can refute my exposition because they are backed up with scriptures. If I were you, humble yourself and learn more. Ask questions and I will be willing to give you answers within the limit of revelation provided by the Scripture.

Ken4Christ:


If I teach falsehood, you should use Scriptures to debunk it. That I don't get the majority to agree with me on my exposition on this subject doesn't make it false. I believe they are trying to assimilate it because nobody has given them this much details before now. And sometimes it's pride because the information is not coming from their Pastor or from a well known Pastor. But no one can refute my exposition because they are backed up with scriptures. If I were you humble yourself and learn more. Ask questions and I will be willing to give you answers within the limit of revelation provided by the Scripture.

The highlighted!

If i were you i'll focus on how to IDENTIFY the group preaching, teaching and practicing what they believe {Matthew 7:16-20} in different churches the Pastors there also quote the scriptures to back what they're teaching their followers, yet you and them agree on the same TRINITY but have contradicting opinions!

So typing what only you believe and expecting people to start asking you questions whereas there is nowhere to watch how it's been done is really really funny Sir!

Maximus69:


The highlighted!

If i were you i'll focus on how to IDENTIFY the group preaching, teaching and practicing what they believe {Matthew 7:16-20} in different churches the Pastors there also quote the scriptures to back what they're teaching their followers, yet you and them agree on the same TRINITY but have contradicting opinions!

So typing what only you believe and expecting people to start asking you questions whereas there is nowhere to watch how it's been done is really really funny Sir!

If nobody is understanding my exposition on end time teachings, it shows I am years ahead of the church. And one day, they will understand it. If you don't agree with my expositions, refute them with scriptures.

If you believe you belong to the group teaching the right thing, you should have some knowledge about end time events. Refute mine and explain yours. If you can't do it, remain silent for life and learn.

The Rapture has already Begun!

Dtruthspeaker:
The Rapture has already Begun!

How?

You and your false teaching....

Thinking you'd be raptured.. lol, you love your lives more than you love God... You think heaven is a place for unserious feeble minded souls?? You allow left behind clowns to deceive you away from what the Lord Jesus Christ said and even the apostles??

If the apostles could pass through tribulations and persecutions to justify their totality in God, how much more gentiles??

Our hope is this....that Jesus is with us even up to the end of the world.

We'd face the Antichrist, but we will overcome... Jesus Christ said, if any man would follow me, he must take up his own cross and do so...

Ken4Christ:


If nobody is understanding my exposition on end time teachings, it shows I am years ahead of the church. And one day, they will understand it. If you don't agree with my expositions, refute them with scriptures.

If you believe you belong to the group teaching the right thing, you should have some knowledge about end time events. Refute mine and explain yours. If you can't do it, remain silent for life and learn.

There's no need refuting what's not operational anywhere, don't you get it?
The Atheists are arguing to refute the claim that God exists because they can see billions of people holding up to that concept. You fabricated nonsense and ingredients in your head and it's not operational anywhere, yet you're now asking right thinking persons to come refuting your stupid fabrications.
My guy you need to see the psychiatrist fast, because it's only insanes that hold onto some ideas but can't point to any group sharing such formula yet expecting normal people to come wasting their precious time on his madness!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no need refuting what's not operational anywhere, don't you get it?
The Atheists are arguing to refute the claim that God exists because they can see billions of people holding up to that concept. You fabricated nonsense and ingredients in your head and it's not operational anywhere, yet you're now asking right thinking persons to come refuting your stupid fabrications.
My guy you need to see the psychiatrist fast, because it's only insanes that hold onto some ideas but can't point to any group sharing such formula yet expecting normal people to come wasting their precious time on his madness!

If you call it nonsense, then you are saying Jesus said nonsense for I quoted him.

Ken4Christ:


If you call it nonsense, then you are saying Jesus said nonsense for I quoted him.

Guy, even thieves, ritualists, fraudsters, prostitutes and billions of liars all do quote Jesus but out of context!
So if what you're saying can't hold waters then know that you're not getting things right, because Jesus' teachings brought people together to form a group. That's why he could gather disciples and Apostles in a nation that's so stubborn and faithless!
Therefore if you can't present any group practicing what you're saying, that simply means you're on your own!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, even thieves, ritualists, fraudsters, prostitutes and billions of liars all do quote Jesus but out of context!
So if what you're saying can't hold waters then know that you're not getting things right, because Jesus' teachings brought people together to form a group. That's why he could gather disciples and Apostles in a nation that's so stubborn and faithless!
Therefore if you can't present any group practicing what you're saying, that simply means you're on your own!

He didn't come to form a group. He came to save the lost. He came to set the captives free. He came to give sight to the blind. He came that we might have life and have it in abundance.

Our responsibility is to preach Christ to lost souls. The preaching of the gospel of Christ is the only means by which men could be saved. Hence Apostle Paul wrote;

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

And it is the gospel of grace;

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

So give your life to Jesus. Accept him as your Lord and personal Saviour.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Ken4Christ:


He didn't come to form a group. He came to save the lost. He came to set the captives free. He came to give sight to the blind. He came that we might have life and have it in abundance.

Our responsibility is to preach Christ lost souls. The preaching of the gospel of Christ is the only means by which men could be saved. Hence Apostle Paul wrote;

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

And it is the gospel of grace;

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

So give your life to Jesus. Accept him as your Lord and personal Saviour.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The bolded is exactly where your delusion is hiding from you!
Because i believe Jesus as my Master, Lord and King whose counsel will save me if i stick to it!
You're the one who is speaking against Jesus, an advocate of iniquity {Matthew 7:23} you're not specific unlike Jesus whose words are straightforward {Matthew 7:28-29} there is nothing to help your listeners know how to conduct themselves as followers of Christ, hence you can't point to any group that's practicing what Jesus taught! John 17:21-23
Whereas Jesus clearly stated that his true followers would be IDENTIFIED by their FRUIT as a group! Matthew 7:16-18
So if you don't know of any group where LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Matthew 5:12} and PEACE {John 14:27} reigns, my guy you know nothing as in NOTHING about Jesus of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:


The bolded is exactly where your delusion is hiding from you!
Because i believe Jesus as my Master, Lord and King whose counsel will save me if i stick to it!
You're the one who is speaking against Jesus, an advocate of iniquity {Matthew 7:23} you're not specific unlike Jesus whose words are straightforward {Matthew 7:28-29} there is nothing to help your listeners know how to conduct themselves as followers of Christ, hence you can't point to any group that's practicing what Jesus taught! John 17:21-23
Whereas Jesus clearly stated that his true followers would be IDENTIFIED by their FRUIT as a group! Matthew 7:16-18
So if you don't know of any group where LOVE {John 13:34-35} JOY {Matthew 5:12} and PEACE {John 14:27} reigns, my guy you know nothing as in NOTHING about Jesus of Nazareth!

The fruit you bear is the fruit of deceit, false teachings and false prophecies. You don't know Jesus. You claim to be a witness of Jehovah you have not seen but deny the Jesus who was seen. You said he resurrected without his body. This is the height of insult. Because Jesus said, destroy this temple and in three days, I will raise it. But you are saying it didn't happen. This is why I said you are anti Christ.

John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the TEMPLE OF HIS BODY.

I will continue to expose your lies.

Ken4Christ:


The fruit you bear is the fruit of deceit, false teachings and false prophecies. You don't know Jesus. You claim to be a witness of Jehovah you have not seen but deny the Jesus who was seen. You said he resurrected without his body. This is the height of insult. Because Jesus said, destroy this temple and in three days, I will raise it. But you are saying it didn't happen. This is why I said you are anti Christ.

John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the TEMPLE OF HIS BODY.

I will continue to expose your lies.

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

You really tried but you misconstrued the whole thing my guy!

Of course Jesus spoke of the temple as the body of Christ, but do you know oh Churchgoer that it's the faithfuls that dignifies the temple and not the building?
Well we will teach you. Jesus spoke of the body of Christ which means his group not his physical body! {Ephesians 4:12, 5:23; Colossians 3:15} the group is the new temple of God that replaced the physical Temple in Jerusalem {1Corinthians 3:16 compare to Revelations 21:2} before the formation of this group, the spirit of God dwells in the physical Temple in Jerusalem but after the resurrection of Christ, God's son dwells in the midst of Jesus' followers as a group! Matthew 18:20

Come let's teach you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, if you're not with us you will read and read and read but you can never grasp a single thing in our book (Bible)

Ken4Christ:
The is a gross misunderstanding on the subject of the rapture. This is because so many people misconstrue that our Lord Jesus was addressing the rapture of the church in Matthew 24. Jesus wasn't talking about the rapture of the church as the Church age was even a mystery to our Lord Jesus at that time.

It was addressing the nation of the Isreal. The fulfillment of the prophecies contained in Matthew 24 will only begin to unfold after God is through with the Church.

So, there are two future rapture and two future great tribulation periods. The first rapture is that of the church which will take place before the first great tribulation period. The second rapture is that of 144,000 Jews which will take place in the midst of the second great tribulation. These 144,000 Jews are the elect referred to in Matthew 24.

The second coming of Christ will take place after the great tribulation period when the anti Christ must have been revealed.

Is this the TRUTH or your OPINION?
Pen down Scriptures that correlates with this before asking anyone to disprove it or take it as truth.
PS: Do not bring that 4 beast in the book of revelations as your defense please, 1,000 persons can give it 1,000 unique interpretation.

Blabbermouth:

Is this the TRUTH or your OPINION?
Pen down Scriptures that correlates with this before asking anyone to disprove it or take it as truth.
PS: Do not bring that 4 beast in the book of revelations as your defense please, 1,000 persons can give it 1,000 unique interpretation.

The Scripture interpreted itself concerning the four beast in the book of Revelation. Any other interpretation is fraud. If you don't agree with the Scripture on this, there is no use giving you proof on others. Hear what the Scripture says about the four beast;

Revelation 5:8-9
8 And when he had taken the book, THE FOUR BEASTS and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. note

9 And THEY SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, and TONGUE, and PEOPLE, and NATION.

The Scripture verses above talks about the four beasts 24 elders singing a new song. The content of the song revealed who they are.

They are the redeemed of the Lord and that is the Church. Did God redeem animals? No. Does animals sing? No. If you agree with the Scripture on this, I will explain the others in details.

Please note I didn't manufacture any interpretation outside what the Scripture said.

MaxInDHouse:


Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

You really tried but you misconstrued the whole thing my guy!

Of course Jesus spoke of the temple as the body of Christ, but do you know oh Churchgoer that it's the faithfuls that dignifies the temple and not the building?
Well we will teach you. Jesus spoke of the body of Christ which means his group not his physical body! {Ephesians 4:12, 5:23; Colossians 3:15} the group is the new temple of God that replaced the physical Temple in Jerusalem {1Corinthians 3:16 compare to Revelations 21:2} before the formation of this group, the spirit of God dwells in the physical Temple in Jerusalem but after the resurrection of Christ, God's son dwells in the midst of Jesus' followers as a group! Matthew 18:20

Come let's teach you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, if you're not with us you will read and read and read but you can never grasp a single thing in our book (Bible)

You people are just too wicked. You will do anything just to hold on to your preconceived opinions. OK, tell us what happened to the body of Jesus?

You are making Jesus look like a fraudster because he appeared to his disciples and even asked Thomas to dip his hands into the holes pierced by the nails.

I have never seen this kind of deceitful group since I was born. My heart is terrified by your wickedness.

Ken4Christ:

You people are just too wicked. You will do anything just to hold on to your preconceived opinions. OK, tell us what happened to the body of Jesus?
You are making Jesus look like a fraudster because he appeared to his disciples and even asked Thomas to dip his hands into the holes pierced by the nails.
I have never seen this kind of deceitful group since I was born. My heart is terrified by your wickedness.

You're just confused because you don't know the basis of judgment yet you want to judge others!

I believe that Jesus is alive now as a spirit being, he lived in the flesh, died and was resurrected as a spirit! 1Corinthians 15:44

So don't run away from the point my guy, Jesus' talk to demolish the Temple wasn't about the physical, he was talking about the spiritual, and it was the new group he's gathering which God established at Pentecost that makes up the new Temple. That's what Jesus meant by the worship in spirit and truth! John 4:24

Ken4Christ:


The Scripture interpreted itself concerning the four beast in the book of Revelation. Any other interpretation is fraud. If you don't agree with the Scripture on this, there is no use giving you proof on others. Hear what the Scripture says about the four beast;

Revelation 5:8-9
8 And when he had taken the book, THE FOUR BEASTS and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. note

9 And THEY SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, and TONGUE, and PEOPLE, and NATION.

The Scripture verses above talks about the four beasts 24 elders singing a new song. The content of the song revealed who they are.

They are the redeemed of the Lord and that is the Church. Did God redeem animals? No. Does animals sing? No. If you agree with the Scripture on this, I will explain the others in details.

Please note I didn't manufacture any interpretation outside what the Scripture said.

A lot depends on if we can UNLearn and RELearn after reasoning from the scriptures. I am ever ready, I don't know about you.
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Colossians 1:20
And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven
It is necessary to note that Christ did not just reconcile man with God, no no no, even angels were reconciled back to God through Christ.
When Moses was to build a Tabernacle where the symbol of the presence of God (the ark of covenant) is to dwell, God asked him to make it after the fashion he had seen. That it may be fulfilled, let it be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Just as there was a very thick veil in the temple on earth that separate the holies from the holy of holies, there was also such veil in heaven that separated the holies from the most holies.
Talking about Christ's death, the writer under the unction of the holy Ghost said - "Christ (in the spirit) went into the temple in heaven and tore the veil that separated the holies from the most holies. Be it as there is no veil seperating man and God any longer, there is also no veil seperating the beings in heaven and God any longer. (Praise God!)

In light of that, the 4 beasts could in truth be something else!
Ezekiel 1:10
As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of A Man, and the face of A Lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of An Ox on the left side; they four also had the face of An Eagle"

Do you see the similarities between these four living creatures Ezekiel saw and the four beasts John saw? Do not also forget that the numbers were the same and in both cases, the creatures/beasts were with GOD
What shall we then say, oh they are church? How? How are the beasts the Church of Christ? Uhn?
How does that (whether they be the church or not) in any way show that the rapture will take place before the tribulation?

Ken4Christ, without leaving no stone unturned, please do justice to these:
1. Who are the 4 horsemen in Rev 6: 1-8
2. Give a single scripture from the whole bible that needs no symbolic interpretation whatsoever but plainly connote that rapture will happen before tribulation.

Blabbermouth:

Ken4Christ, without leaving no stone unturned, please do justice to these:
1. Who are the 4 horsemen in Rev 6: 1-8
2. Give a single scripture from the whole bible that needs no symbolic interpretation whatsoever but plainly connote that rapture will happen before tribulation.

You're trying to scatter the head of a Churchgoer!

But if you truly want to know who those four horsemen are, just ask JWs!

MaxInDHouse:


You're trying to scatter the head of a Churchgoer!

But if you truly want to know who those four horsemen are, just ask JWs!

MaxInDHouse, who are/were the four horsemen?

MaxInDHouse:


You're trying to scatter the head of a Churchgoer!

But if you truly want to know who those four horsemen are, just ask JWs!

Blabbermouth:

MaxInDHouse, who are/were the four horsemen?

They are symbolic not literal horsemen!

Revelations 6:1-2

The first depict Jesus Christ in the spirit and his followers Jehovah's Witnesses conquering throughout the earth with their preaching and teaching, making people from all nations and bringing them to submit to the LOVE JOY and PEACE teachings of Christ Jesus! 2Corinthians 10:4-5

Revelations 6:3-4

After Jesus' enthronement in heaven in 1914, he drove away Satan and his demons from heaven and they came straight to the earth {Revelations 12:7-12} possessed lots of people, some where given strange powers to perform great signs so they formed Churches as many as they could yet contradicting themselves {Matthew 24:11} others possessed Politicians and since these demons aren't submissive, war broke out as those possessed were all arrogant, that's the reason why we had the first world war, giving people weapons to continue killing themselves till today!

Revelations 6:5-4

After the wars that disturbed farmers globally, many people who were working to produce one thing or another were forcefully recruited to the warfront and production of food and farm lands were destroyed, a global famine set in but beer and beauty products weren't affected to continue promoting promiscuity amongst people of all classes, so most people began loosing interest in anything having to do with God! Matthew 24:12

Revelations 6:7-8

This means the second and third horsemen gave way to so many deaths, through wars, hunger, diseases and most rulers were even killing people while struggling for political seats. Death
So ever since 1914 till now there is mass burial throughout the earth everyday. Grave

God bless you!

MaxInDHouse:


You're trying to scatter the head of a Churchgoer!

But if you truly want to know who those four horsemen are, just ask JWs!

JWs are false teachers with so many failed prophecies. It is the devil's option. Run for your life from this deadly cult.

Ken4Christ:


JWs are false teachers with so many failed prophecies. It is the devil's option. Run for your life from this deadly cult.

Noted Sir, thanks God bless you!

MaxInDHouse:


Noted Sir, thanks God bless you!

You are welcome. I will be willing to guide you if you want to give your life to Jesus and walk in the light of God's word. It's a higher life. It is a glorious life. A life money cannot buy, full of love, joy and peace.

MaxInDHouse:


Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

You really tried but you misconstrued the whole thing my guy!

Of course Jesus spoke of the temple as the body of Christ, but do you know oh Churchgoer that it's the faithfuls that dignifies the temple and not the building?
Well we will teach you. Jesus spoke of the body of Christ which means his group not his physical body! {Ephesians 4:12, 5:23; Colossians 3:15} the group is the new temple of God that replaced the physical Temple in Jerusalem {1Corinthians 3:16 compare to Revelations 21:2} before the formation of this group, the spirit of God dwells in the physical Temple in Jerusalem but after the resurrection of Christ, God's son dwells in the midst of Jesus' followers as a group! Matthew 18:20

Come let's teach you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, if you're not with us you will read and read and read but you can never grasp a single thing in our book (Bible)

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 

changer of God's word false jw mad max
Jesus clearly said in John 2:19 "Destroy this temple(His body), and in three days I will raise it up"
your saying that Jesus was referring to the body of Christ(the faithful) is ridiculous, if that were the case then the verse would read like this:
"Destroy this temple(the faithful), and in three days I will raise it up"


Jesus temple(His literal body), and the body of Christ(the faithful), are two diffrent things, oh blinded know nothing

Deu 12:32  "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it. 

2Co_4:4  in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Joh 8:44  "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ken4Christ:


You are welcome. I will be willing to guide you if you want to give your life to Jesus and walk in the light of God's word. It's a higher life. It is a glorious life. A life money cannot buy, full of love, joy and peace.

Noted Sir, once again thanks!