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Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Le124(m): 11:03am On Oct 11, 2020
So many people especially some ministers have argued that salvation is to eternity, that once someone give his/ her life to christ that he/ she will make heaven even if the person commit sin and did not repent of that sin been fornication, lying, stealing etc. That the person will only be punished on earth according to the law of the land, but won't stop the person from entering the kingdom of God . Citing Ephesians 2.8 and some other scriptures. And on the other hand many people have have also argued that someone can actually lose their salvation if the person commit sin .Matthew 24:4-34. Who is right? And what is the bible stand on this? Can someone actually commit sin after confessing christ and still make heaven or not?
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by MickzyDonald: 11:04am On Oct 11, 2020
We are all human beings so why is it not possible... lest i forget...FTC
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by TimeTraveler369: 11:09am On Oct 11, 2020
Salvation is a scam propagated by the Reich level Cabal that runs the Savior Program of the Earth 3D matrix, the Christian faction (Islam is another) to program Earth 3D humans to 'believing' they are not good enough, a humbling iniquity hypothesis to humble and humiliate the embodied Spirits resident in humanoid bodies into a desired mental state as a weapon of control.

There is nothing like Salvation, there is no need for Salvation, you are complete and sovereign.

But I do support them mostly because you little punks could set this planet on fires and wars if you are not being manipulatively controlled mentally.

It is called Mind Control.

lipsrsealed
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by delkuf(m): 11:18am On Oct 11, 2020
When you gave your life Christ, you are giving everlasting life. Just as it name implice you have an everlasting life. So nothing can take you away Christ. Our salvation in for everlasting
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Kobojunkiee: 12:02pm On Oct 11, 2020
What is Salvation? According to the passage below from the Gospel of John, Salvation is from the penalty of Sin, which is death. Jesus Christ offers to all those who believe in Him eternal life.

John 3 vs 16-21 (ERV)
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16. “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
20. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
21. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
So, as long as one has vowed belief in Jesus Christ, eternal life is bestowed on such a person. Since Jesus Christ is the giver of life(eternal life) and not the remover/taker, there seems no way to loose that gift once it is tacked onto one's soul.
Le124:
So many people especially some ministers have argued that salvation is to eternity, that once someone give his/ her life to christ that he/ she will make heaven even if the person commit sin and did not repent of that sin been fornication, lying, stealing etc.
People tend to confuse Salvation with what it is not. No where in the passage from the Gospel of John above is the promise of Heaven given to those who believe. So, those who are saved are not guaranteed Heaven at all. They are only guaranteed eternal life!
Le124:
That the person will only be punished on earth according to the law of the land, but won't stop the person from entering the kingdom of God . Citing Ephesians 2.8 and some other scriptures.
Salvation does not open the gates to the Kingdom of Heaven for anyone. Jesus Christ was clear on who can enter His kingdom -- Not all those who are saved will enter His Kingdom, that is a guarantee.

Who then can enter the Kingdom of God? Only those who become followers of Jesus Christ, choosing to live in obedience of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ.
Le124:
And on the other hand many people have have also argued that someone can actually lose their salvation if the person commit sin .Matthew 24:4-34. Who is right? And what is the bible stand on this? Can someone actually commit sin after confessing christ and still make heaven or not?
I am yet to find any place in the word of God or Jesus Christ posits that the gift of Eternal life which is the only guarantee given those who are saved, can be revoked.
Who is right? A bigger issues stems from the understanding that many have of salvation.
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Kobojunkiee: 12:05pm On Oct 11, 2020
delkuf:
When you gave your life Christ, you are giving everlasting life. Just as it name implice you have an everlasting life. So nothing can take you away Christ. Our salvation in for everlasting
Everlasting life is not a guarantee that one belongs to Jesus Christ. No, only those who believe(have everlasting life) AND ALSO chose to submit and obey the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ have the guarantee of Heaven.
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by delkuf(m): 12:12pm On Oct 11, 2020
Kobojunkiee:
Everlasting life is not a guarantee that one belongs to Jesus Christ. No, only those who believe(have everlasting life) AND ALSO chose to submit and obey the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ have the guarantee of Heaven.
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by delkuf(m): 12:12pm On Oct 11, 2020
Kobojunkiee:
Everlasting life is not a guarantee that one belongs to Jesus Christ. No, only those who believe(have everlasting life) AND ALSO chose to submit and obey the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ have the guarantee of Heaven.
please read John 3:16 and learn. You believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you have everlasting life
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Le124(m): 12:53pm On Oct 11, 2020
What is eternal life and what is heaven, where do people who had eternal life end there life. You are complicating the whole thing. It's two ways , its either you end up in hell or heaven and it's those who are save that will make heaven.
So what's the point of been save and not make heaven
Kobojunkiee:
What is Salvation? According to the passage below from the Gospel of John, Salvation is from the penalty of Sin, which is death. Jesus Christ offers to all those who believe in Him eternal life.

So, as long as one has vowed belief in Jesus Christ, eternal life is bestowed on such a person. Since Jesus Christ is the giver of life(eternal life) and not the remover/taker, there seems no way to loose that gift once it is tacked onto one's soul.
People tend to confuse Salvation with what it is not. No where in the passage from the Gospel of John above is the promise of Heaven given to those who believe. So, those who are saved are not guaranteed Heaven at all. They are only guaranteed eternal life!
Salvation does not open the gates to the Kingdom of Heaven for anyone. Jesus Christ was clear on who can enter His kingdom -- Not all those who are saved will enter His Kingdom, that is a guarantee.

Who then can enter the Kingdom of God? Only those who become followers of Jesus Christ, choosing to live in obedience of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ.
I am yet to find any place in the word of God or Jesus Christ posits that the gift of Eternal life which is the only guarantee given those who are saved, can be revoked.
Who is right? A bigger issues stems from the understanding that many have of salvation.

Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Ihedinobi3: 1:08pm On Oct 11, 2020
Le124:
So many people especially some ministers have argued that salvation is to eternity, that once someone give his/ her life to christ that he/ she will make heaven even if the person commit sin and did not repent of that sin been fornication, lying, stealing etc. That the person will only be punished on earth according to the law of the land, but won't stop the person from entering the kingdom of God . Citing Ephesians 2.8 and some other scriptures. And on the other hand many people have have also argued that someone can actually lose their salvation if the person commit sin .Matthew 24:4-34. Who is right? And what is the bible stand on this? Can someone actually commit sin after confessing christ and still make heaven or not?

Hello there.

This is what I read in the Bible.

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:18 (NIV)

It doesn't say anything about sin in the above. So, I would say that as long as anyone retains faith in Jesus Christ, they remain saved. If they cast their faith in Him aside, then they are no longer saved. That is all that I know that the Bible teaches about this.

This does not mean that sin does not at all affect salvation. All sin is rebellion against God. Faith is a deliberate choice to trust in God and thus to submit to Him through Jesus Christ. So, the two things are opposed to each other. You can't be submitting to someone that you are also rebelling against without eventually having to choose one. But some people do do it.

If we sin, God disciplines us as His children to warn us of the danger of continuing to sin relentlessly. If we repent and confess our sin, He restores us to fellowship with Himself. That does not at all mean that even when we don't repent, we cease somehow to be His children. We remain His children no matter what, unless we choose to stop believing in Jesus. It is in fact because we are His Children that He disciplines us.

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. . . 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:6-7,9 (NIV)

4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, 6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” 7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father?
Hebrews 12:4-7 (NIV)

So, while it may not be the law of our land that punishes us, unless we commit an actual crime, we have a guarantee that if we sin, the Lord will punish us for it and without rejecting us as His children. In fact, it will be because we are His children that we suffer for sinning against Him. He doesn't do the same for unbelievers (e.g. Psalm 73).

Are we still able to commit sin after becoming believers? The foregoing explains that we do. But I'll share a few passages that make clear that the Bible pretty much guarantees that we do:

2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
James 3:2 (NIV)

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. . . . 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. 1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
1 John 1:8-2:1 (NIV)

We do sin indeed. And we sin a great deal when we are still immature or carnal believers (compare 1 Corinthians 1:11; 3:1-4). It is only as we grow spiritually (Ephesians 4:11-16) that we become less and less prone to sin (Romans 12:1-2).
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Kobojunkiee: 6:03pm On Oct 11, 2020
delkuf:
please read John 3:16 and learn. You believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you have everlasting life
You have never read it for yourself, as in reading the actual words so your own brain will process them in full. Instead, you have been going by the meaning that the liars out there have supplied you to what is written in those verses?

Here's something to do. Do as Jesus Christ commanded. Become like a child in your thinking. Discard every previous meanings you may have applied to that verse and try reading and comprehending it as if it had never read it before. And then maybe you will see that the Kingdom of Heaven and Eternity refer to and are two different things entirely.... they have always been, for almost 2000 years or so since those words have been written.
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by durasome(m): 6:26pm On Oct 11, 2020
TimeTraveler369:
Salvation is a scam propagated by the Reich level Cabal that runs the Savior Program of the Earth 3D matrix, the Christian faction (Islam is another) to program Earth 3D humans to 'believing' they are not good enough, a humbling iniquity hypothesis to humble and humiliate the embodied Spirits resident in humanoid bodies into a desired mental state as a weapon of control.

There is nothing like Salvation, there is no need for Salvation, you are complete and sovereign.

But I do support them mostly because you little punks could set this planet on fires and wars if you are not being manipulatively controlled mentally.

It is called Mind Control.

lipsrsealed
.seek Jesus because heaven is real and hell is also real.
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by tabithababy(f): 6:31pm On Oct 11, 2020
Why not

Rededication very important cheesy
Re: Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation? by Kobojunkiee: 6:35pm On Oct 11, 2020
Le124:
What is eternal life and what is heaven, where do people who had eternal life end there life.
Eternal life refers to life after death.
What is the Kingdom of Heaven? The Kingdom of Heaven is a Kingdom that Jesus Christ promised only to those who obey His words to become like Children in their thinking.. a kingdom set apart for the righteous alone, and described by Jesus Christ in several of His Parables.

Jesus Christ never provided a description for eternal life past "have life, have it abundantly....". But as for the Kingdom of God, He provided lots of information on what it is so we know what it is not. We know that those who enter the Kingdom of God. We know from what Jesus Christ said that those who will enter the Kingdom of God will have eternal life(they also believe in Jesus Christ), but so also will thos who will enter Hell as described by Jesus Christ(their punishement is for eternity).
Le124:
You are complicating the whole thing. It's two ways , its either you end up in hell or heaven and it's those who are save that will make heaven.
Far from it! I am repeating the truth of God incase you are not already aware of the Truth that Jesus Christ came with for man.
When Adam fell, God decreed that all those who sinned must die(return back to the dust from whence they came). Since Adam did not eat from the Tree of Life, it meant upon death, his body and soul ceased to be -i.e. man was condemned to die, with no promise of eternal life. So, everyone who died in there sins (sinners and unbelievers) alike, returned to nothing at the end of their life here on earth.

Then Jesus Christ, Life(eternal life itself) came and brought life to those who will believe in Him. To those who believe in Him, the wages of sin(Death) is removed from them, they are forgiven of their sins and eternal life is also given them i.e. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ is saved from the condemnation of sin and death. That is what John 3 vs 16-20.

John 3 vs 16-21 (ERV)
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16. “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
20. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
21. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
Ofcourse one would expect that once forgiven such a great debt(all of his sins), man would Love(obey) the one who cleared that debt even more. So, with sin-debt cleared, each person now has a choice of choosing obedience to Jesus Christ or continuing to serve other Masters.
Le124:
So what's the point of been save and not make heaven
Well, Heaven is a choice! Even after you have been saved from the wages of sin i.e. You still have a choice to make as to where to spend that coin "eternity" that you now have. Will you serve God with your new found Life or will you continue instead to serve yourself with that Life, and end up spending it in Hell!

PS: Since those who are condemned to die(those who do not believe in Jesus Christ), there is no life after death, so there is no Hell for them. There is simply death. But those who have eternal life but refuse to obey Jesus Christ, they are the ones whom Hell is made ready for, for that is where they are to spend eternity.

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