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Kobojunkie:
As I stated before, there are about 7 commandments that anyone who wants to become a follower of Jesus Christ .i.e. be born of Jesus Christ's Spirit, have to obey before qualifying. But none of the seven requirements includes what you stated above i.e. submitting under spiritual authority(church). That idea of submitting to a world-bound authority, such as the church of men, has absolutely nothing to do with any of what Jesus Christ commanded.

The only authority for all those who are followers of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone(through His Spirit which He installs in His followers to take His place). And the only Teacher for those who are followers of Jesus Christ is, again, Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ alone(through the Spirit of Truth installed in those who belong to Him). Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone is the only Master/Teacher/counsellor/comforter/guide/Helper in the life of those who follow Him. Any substitute is not according to His commandment and hence not according to the Will of God.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one to Obey The Commandments for The Holy Spirit Comes to make it Easier and Better for you to Obey, By Giving you the Understanding of how to Obey and the Reason Why you Must Obey it.

Harshirama:
Do demons confess Jesus is Lord? Do they believe he is their savior. Anyone who believes in Jesus already has the holy spirit.

Harshirama:
Romans 8:9
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Harshirama:
Again,none of Jesus' disciples were born again until he died, resurrected, and the received the holy spirit. If you look at it logically, why would it make sense for Jesus to die again if they could be born again before he even died and resurrected.

Harshirama:
As for the disciples, most of them didn't even believe Jesus was raised from the dead until he appeared to them.

Harshirama:
Also, no one with eternal life is going to hell. It's not biblical.

John 3:15-16
[15]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Kobojunkie:
According to the Gospel of John, those who believe in Jesus Christ, have eternal life, not the Spirit of God.

Everyone who believes in Him will have eternal life and will be raised on the last day, according to Jesus Christ. But we also know that not all those with eternal life will enter into Heaven, so believing can't be the criteria. I mean even Judas Iscariot believed and yet, according to Jesus Christ, he was of the devil. And I remember the apostle James did warn us that even the demons believe.

So unless we are to accept here and now that the demons who believe in Him also have the Spirit of God as their counsellor and guide, I think we might benefit better from using a different word, don't you think?
Perfection, as described by Jesus Christ Himself, is that we love our enemies(praying for them and not against them), and our neighbours, even as we love our own selves. Any other kind of perfection would not work since it is not according to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Yes, Peter denied Jesus Christ 3X and they went back to fishing after Jesus left them but that does not mean, in any way, that they stopped being followers of Jesus Christ/born again to live following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ. They had already become worthy of being followers of Jesus Christ, hence were born again, even though the Spirit of God did not show up until some months after Jesus Christ left the planet.

Harshirama:
It'd do you a lot of good if you read the scriptures carefully. The church is an authority over believers. Jesus commanded the disciples to preach and make disciples. The church is not world bound, it's the body of Christ.

Harshirama:
Acts 20:28
[28]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
You need to read more of the epistles and the book of acts. God has set people in the church as teachers and leaders.

Kobojunkie:
According to the Gospel of John, believing has nothing to do with confessing it in the way you are likely taught to think of it in your churches.
Demons do believe and yes, if you remember some of the encounters Jesus Christ has with demons on the gospels, you will also recall that said demons they acknowlegde who He, Jesus Christ, is. Believing is simply accepting the truth of a thing, or in this case, the person of Jesus Christ. And no, demons don't have the Spirit of God.
Please do not miscontrue Paul's message in Romans 8.

According to the gospels, believing in Jesus Christ is not guarantee that one would have the spirit of God. The only guarantee given those who believe is that they have eternal life. Eternal life does not come with a guarantee of the Spirit of God. No! Only those who believe, and then become followers of Jesus Christ i.e. they submit to obeying Jesus Christ's commandments are promised the Spirit of God i.e. become worthy or born again.

What was the role of the Spirit of God? To serve as substitute for Jesus Christ, is it not? While He, Jesus Christ, was alive, there was no need for a substitute for His person since He was there as their Master/Teacher/guide/counsellor/comforter/helper etc.
The Spirit of God was in Jesus Christ throughout His journey with them and so they had no need for any substitutes. He, Jesus Christ was there with His followers all the way so they did not have to worry about having the Spirit of God living inside of them i.e. become born of the Spirit of God. He anointed them all so they were His and He was there as there Master in the flesh.

After He departed, then His followers, whom He promised He would not leave as orphans, received the very Spirit of Jesus Christ(the Spirit of Truth) as substitute for Jesus Christ.
So? That does not change anything about their being His followers though and He being their Master. That they doubted does not mean they did not believe in Him. I am not sure what you are getting at here.
John 3 does not tell you of those who will end up in Hell. It only tells you of those who will receive eternal life. If you want to learn of those who will end up in Hell ETERNALLY, you would have to visit Jesus Christ's teachings on those who will be pushed into Hell. Be sure to note that those who will burn in Hell, will do so ETERNALLY.. meaning they have eternal life for them to burn in Hell for eternity.

Kobojunkie:
According to the Gospel of John, believing has nothing to do with confessing it in the way you are likely taught to think of it in your churches.
Demons do believe and yes, if you remember some of the encounters Jesus Christ has with demons on the gospels, you will also recall that said demons they acknowlegde who He, Jesus Christ, is. Believing is simply accepting the truth of a thing, or in this case, the person of Jesus Christ. And no, demons don't have the Spirit of God.
Please do not miscontrue Paul's message in Romans 8.

According to the gospels, believing in Jesus Christ is not guarantee that one would have the spirit of God. The only guarantee given those who believe is that they have eternal life. Eternal life does not come with a guarantee of the Spirit of God. No! Only those who believe, and then become followers of Jesus Christ i.e. they submit to obeying Jesus Christ's commandments are promised the Spirit of God i.e. become worthy or born again.

What was the role of the Spirit of God? To serve as substitute for Jesus Christ, is it not? While He, Jesus Christ, was alive, there was no need for a substitute for His person since He was there as their Master/Teacher/guide/counsellor/comforter/helper etc.
The Spirit of God was in Jesus Christ throughout His journey with them and so they had no need for any substitutes. He, Jesus Christ was there with His followers all the way so they did not have to worry about having the Spirit of God living inside of them i.e. become born of the Spirit of God. He anointed them all so they were His and He was there as there Master in the flesh.

After He departed, then His followers, whom He promised He would not leave as orphans, received the very Spirit of Jesus Christ(the Spirit of Truth) as substitute for Jesus Christ.
So? That does not change anything about their being His followers though and He being their Master. That they doubted does not mean they did not believe in Him. I am not sure what you are getting at here.
John 3 does not tell you of those who will end up in Hell. It only tells you of those who will receive eternal life. If you want to learn of those who will end up in Hell ETERNALLY, you would have to visit Jesus Christ's teachings on those who will be pushed into Hell. Be sure to note that those who will burn in Hell, will do so ETERNALLY.. meaning they have eternal life for them to burn in Hell for eternity.

Harshirama:
Not all those with eternal life will enter into heaven?
Was Jesus lying here?
John 10:28-29
[28]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Kobojunkie:
The Grace of God as presented to us through Jesus Christ refers to the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, and only those who obey will in fact enter Heaven. All those who do not obey, though they believe, are destined for Hell, and this, according to Jesus Christ Himself.

What man's gospel of grace does is deny the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ gave no man authority where His followers are concerned, and He commanded His disciples against setting themselves as Teachers/masters over any of His followers.
If you read carefully, the only authority He gave His followers is over sickness, and foul spirits... not over His own followers. Never over His followers, because He and He alone is the Master over His own.

As for the Church, Jesus Christ is the one and only Head over the body which is His church and no part is set higher than the other. The church you have that is run by men for the kingdom of men, is not the Church that belongs to Jesus Christ and it certainly is not of Jesus Christ.
LOL! When Jesus Christ commanded Peter to feed and care for His sheep in John 21, Jesus Christ indeed meant that He, Peter feed, and care for His sheep, as He detailed in Matthew 25 vs 31-40. Feed implies to give them food when hungry and give drink when thirsty. Care implying to cloth the naked, house the homeless, care for the sick and visit those in Prison. He did not set any one, not even Peter over His flock.

Harshirama:
I have a question for you, do you have the holy spirit in you? If so, how and when did you have him?

Kobojunkie:
Ofcourse Jesus Christ did not lie.
To perish means to die and be returned to the dust, the condemnation for sin that was imposed by God from the time of Adam.
Since those who believe in Jesus Christ are saved from the condemnation for sin, that is death, it means those who believe in Jesus Christ will indeed not perish because they will continue to live on, even after death -- they have eternal life.

Kobojunkie:
I got Him after I obeyed the commandments that I needed to in order to become worthy of being a follower of Jesus Christ.

Harshirama:
1 Corinthians 12:28
[28]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Does Jesus appear physically to teach and train believers? No. He does that through men he has set in the church.

Harshirama:
Ephesians 4:11
[11]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

1 Peter 5:2
[2]Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

Kobojunkie:
Then of what use is the Spirit of God in the lives of His followers if in the end, ordinary men seat themselves in the seat that belongs to Him?
Jesus Christ commanded that He, and He alone is the Teacher/Instructor/Guide/Helper/Master/Comforter/Counselor etc. in the lives of those who belong to Him. He also installed His own Spirit as His replacement when He left the world. Now, you say that men were instructed instead to take over this seat from Jesus Christ, then I ask you, did Jesus Christ lie to His followers?

Again, I believe you misconstrue what is posted in your rush to find justification against the very commandments of Jesus Christ Himself.

Harshirama:
What is the proof? How do you know you have the Holy Spirit?
Ps. I got the holy spirit after I believed in Jesus. Not by works.

Galatians 3:2,5
[2]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[5]He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Luke 12 vs 35-48 (ERV)
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35. “Stay dressed for action[f] and keep your lamps burning,
36. and be like men who are waiting for their master to come home from the wedding feast, so that they may open the door to him at once when he comes and knocks.
37. Blessed are those servants[g] whom the master finds awake when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at table, and he will come and serve them.
38. If he comes in the second watch, or in the third, and finds them awake, blessed are those servants!
39. But know this, that if the master of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he[h] would not have left his house to be broken into.
40. You also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

41. Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?”
42. And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time?
43. Blessed is that servant[i] whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
44. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.
45. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,
46. the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.
47. And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.
48. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.

Kobojunkie:
Then of what use is the Spirit of God in the lives of His followers if in the end, ordinary men seat themselves in the seat that belongs to Him?
Jesus Christ commanded that He, and He alone is the Teacher/Instructor/Guide/Helper/Master/Comforter/Counselor etc. in the lives of those who belong to Him. He also installed His own Spirit as His replacement when He left the world. Now, you say that men were instructed instead to take over this seat from Jesus Christ, then I ask you, did Jesus Christ lie to His followers?

Again, I believe you misconstrue what is posted in your rush to find justification against the very commandments of Jesus Christ Himself.

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God is not daft... He is a piece of God who possesses you when you become worthy of Jesus Christ. He speaks loud and clear and controls you... that is how He is able to Teach/guide/counsel/Comfort/Help etc.

If you believe that doing that which Jesus Christ, the one who is supposedly Master over your very soul, commands amounts to work that is too much for you, pray tell, how can you really call Him your master?
I am reminded here of the parable of the servants.

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God is not daft... He is a piece of God who possesses you when you become worthy of Jesus Christ. He speaks loud and clear and controls you... that is how He is able to Teach/guide/counsel/Comfort/Help etc.

If you believe that doing that which Jesus Christ, the one who is supposedly Master over your very soul, commands amounts to work that is too much for you, pray tell, how can you really call Him your master?
I am reminded here of the parable of the servants.

Harshirama:
I never said men were to take Jesus' place. Jesus continues his ministry through his spirit men. Just ask yourself these simple questions, how is the gospel preached to others, how do people receive healing, how do miracles happen? They are all through God's spirit in men. The church is a structure set by God himself. God is a God or order

Harshirama:
I didn't receive the Spirit of God that way. I'm quite sure. Once again, how do you know you're filled with the Spirit?

Harshirama:
The Spirit of God is not a piece of God. The Spirit of God is a person. He is the Spirit of Christ. You are just delving into works. You really believe you can become "worthy" of Jesus Christ. Jesus' sacrifice is what makes us worthy to receive any spiritual blessing God has for us.

Kobojunkie:
When a man steps into a seat that is meant to be occupied by God Himself/Jesus Christ/Spirit of God, that man takes the place of God in the lives of those impacted.

Jesus Christ continues His ministry, but He remains the ONLY Head, the Master/Teacher/Guide/Counselor/Comforter/Helper etc. to each and everyone who belongs to Him. That is what He said He is to be, and that is who He is to this day. Jesus Christ directs each and everyone who belongs to Him to do the Will of His Father through the Spirit of God installed inside of each of those souls who belong to Him. That is how His gospel(note, not the gospel and doctrines of men) is preached. That is how He performs miracles, and that is How He continues to, through His body, the body of those who belong to Him, accomplish the Will of the Father, here on earth.

Your churches are not of God especially since they are guided by the hands and minds of their business owners.... God's order does not correspond to man's idea of order. So

Kobojunkie:

Harshirama:
2 Timothy 2:24
[24]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Hebrews 5:12
[12]For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Harshirama:
Can you answer the question?

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God is a part of God... Yes, He is. He is not a person as in flesh and blood... He is the very Spirit that lived inside of Jesus Christ when He walked the earth, and now He lives inside of those who become followers of Jesus Christ.

If delving into work means obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ, then I am definitely where I need to be according to Jesus Christ. And yes, you can become worthy of becoming a follower of Jesus Christ, or do you think Jesus Christ lied when He commanded that those who will follow Him first do as He commands?

Just as the people of old had to obey God's commandments in order to receive the blessings that were attached to the Old covenant, the same way, you have to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ in order to receive the blessings that are attached with the New Covenant.

Harshirama:
I don't know about your church. Mine is of God.

Harshirama:
The only thing you have to become worthy of is service in the kingdom. God's spiritual blessings are in Jesus.
Galatians 3:14
[14]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 1:3
[3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never commanded me to listen to any other but Him so I have no need for a church in the way you know of them. And no, the very foundation of what you know as churches today was built about 1700 years ago on the doctrines and rules of men, something Jesus Christ warned His followers against. So how can a church rooted in the doctrines and traditions of men be said to be of God?
Let God be true and man be the liar here...

Kobojunkie:
I already responded earlier.