jesusjnr2020:
Lol!

Keep deceiving yourselves.

Agnostic ko, athestic ni

Lol...
Their president has surrendered. Las Las they will all surrender.

The church of God is matching on and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hallelujah!

pozehnani:


Lol...
Their president has surrendered. Las Las they will all surrender.

The church of God is matching on and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hallelujah!

Lol!

Na their papa be that oh. But he eventually had to bow down to Truth.

So if it could happen to him, how much more they that are only babies in comparison?

DrLiveLogic:
Been a long while here.

Likewise. Welcome back

DrLiveLogic:
...the closer you are to admitting that this ordered universe...

[1] Is ordered a binary variable? Like True/False? If so can you give an example of something that is not ordered?

[2] If ordered isn't a binary property: what exactly are you comparing the universe against, to see that it is ordered?

I suspect you are using ordered as a weasel word

Tamaratonye5:

Likewise. Welcome back

Thank you, Tantrum and you too.

[1] Is ordered a binary variable? Like True/False? If so can you give an example of something that is not ordered?

[2] If ordered isn't a binary property: what exactly are you comparing the universe against, to see that it is ordered?

I suspect you are using ordered as a weasel word

No weasel word here. Ordered as per marked by order and rule as evidenced in the laws of the universe/physics

However, lest we dive into another unending loop, my question actually is do you think there is anything you could learn from Mr. Flew? He's a smart guy you know, justifying the brain he was given, what do you think?

DrLiveLogic:
do you think there is anything you could learn from Mr. Flew?

Could I learn anything from a dead apologist and their book that wasn't even written by him because he was suffering from dementia? I'm guessing no.

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DrLiveLogic:
Ordered as per marked by order...

That isn't particularly helpful at answering my question [Is order/ordered a binary property?]

I don't see how the answer can be anything other than:
[1] Yes
[2] No
[3] I don't know.

Maybe you could try again.

Also, it is probably a mistake to use the word "order", to describe order as you did above if you want anyone else to understand you.

Tamaratonye5:

Could I learn anything from a dead apologist and their book that wasn't even written by him because he was suffering from dementia? I'm guessing no.

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Why if it isn't my vintage criminal Tantrum, breaking her rules again. What do you call this again? Isn't it ad-hominem. This time try looking into the validity of his points rather than the character. Or well, just don't worry, I feel like I already know how this will end. Maybe you're not ready yet so I'll just keep hoping the best for you and try my luck some other time.

That isn't particularly helpful at answering my question [Is order/ordered a binary property?]

I don't see how the answer can be anything other than:
[1] Yes
[2] No
[3] I don't know.

Maybe you could try again.

Also, it is probably a mistake to use the word "order", to describe order as you did above if you want anyone else to understand you.

This word is in common use in math and the sciences generally. When we use it, we mean something is marked by a defining principle, rule or law. Try Merriam-Webster here.
Ordered
If you understand it my way, the question, if I'm comparing it to anything else will be invalid as this characteristic is intrinsic. The right question is: can we recognise any rule or law defining the working of the universe?, which the identified laws of physics have already answered.

DrLiveLogic:
Isn't it ad-hominem.

No, since dementia (or death) would have a bearing on the ability one has to produce cogent rational arguments.

DrLiveLogic:
This time try looking into the validity of his points rather than the character.

Yet you were the one to appeal to authority by invoking his name. Besides bare assertions about his ability(ies), nothing of substance has been produced here.

DrLiveLogic:
Or well, just don't worry, I feel like I already know how this will end.

Worry? Me? Why?

It's your belief my atheism contains an inherrent risk, obviously I don't believe that, so worrying wouldn't make sense, would it?

DrLiveLogic:
Maybe you're not ready yet so I'll just keep hoping the best for you and try my luck some other time.

Read this: You have never, can not, and probably won't ever, demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity, readiness is just another excuse to pretend you have possession of some hidden esoteric proof but it's clear by now that you don't lol.

DrLiveLogic:
This word is in common use in math and the sciences generally. When we use it, we mean something is marked by a defining principle, rule or law.

Then you shouldn't have any trouble telling me if it's binary or not. You said you've been using it; clearly you must know.

So please, attend to this:

Tamaratonye5:
[1] Is ordered a binary variable? Like True/False? If so can you give an example of something that is not ordered?

[2] If ordered isn't a binary property: what exactly are you comparing the universe against, to see that it is ordered?

DrLiveLogic:
Try Merriam-Webster here.
Ordered

Smh. I know what ordered means, thank you very much

You don't seem to grasp my question. In simple terms, what number of universes were in your test group to work out that this universe is "ordered"?

OR is it your subjective opinion supported only 1 example? How does one know the other kind of universe is even possible? How does an ordered universe evidence a deity?

You’re simply starting along with your belief, then fitting what you observe around that belief. If you only ever look to verify one belief, then that confirmation is what such closed minded bias will always find.

DrLiveLogic:
The right question is: can we recognise any rule or law defining the working of the universe?, which the identified laws of physics have already answered.

Those scientific explanations are human creations, created to know the workings of the universe. Again how are you claiming they represent evidence for your deity? Don’t forget your own superstition relies on a creation myth that's at odds with much of what science has discovered about the formation of our universe and scheme, and therefore the diversity of life on this planet. So you claiming those scientific discoveries evidence that deity is hilarious. Also you deny known scientific facts like species evolution, once they contradict your beliefs, so again the irony is palpable.

Tamaratonye5:

No, since dementia (or death) would have a bearing on the ability one has to produce cogent rational arguments.


Yet you were the one to appeal to authority by invoking his name. Besides bare assertions about his ability(ies), nothing of substance has been produced here.


Worry? Me? Why?

It's your belief my atheism contains an inherrent risk, obviously I don't believe that, so worrying wouldn't make sense, would it?


Read this: You have never, can not, and probably won't ever, demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity, readiness is just another excuse to pretend you have possession of some hidden esoteric proof but it's clear by now that you don't lol.


Then you shouldn't have any trouble telling me if it's binary or not. You said you've been using it; clearly you must know.

So please, attend to this:



Smh. I know what ordered means, thank you very much

You don't seem to grasp my question. In simple terms, what number of universes were in your test group to work out that this universe is "ordered"?

OR is it your subjective opinion supported only 1 example? How does one know the other kind of universe is even possible? How does an ordered universe evidence a deity?

You’re simply starting along with your belief, then fitting what you observe around that belief. If you only ever look to verify one belief, then that confirmation is what such closed minded bias will always find.


Those scientific explanations are human creations, created to know the workings of the universe. Again how are you claiming they represent evidence for your deity? Don’t forget your own superstition relies on a creation myth that's at odds with much of what science has discovered about the formation of our universe and scheme, and therefore the diversity of life on this planet. So you claiming those scientific discoveries evidence that deity is hilarious. Also you deny known scientific facts like species evolution, once they contradict your beliefs, so again the irony is palpable.

Life is absurd.
The universe is just another group of ageless indivisible objects.