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Sarah20A:
please you guys have your history;focus on yours and leave us alone.

Sure we will, just that when I see comment of someone from Edo wanting to claim they own Lagos, I put them in the place they belong

lastchild:
my question remains, if we have all these potentials, what happened to them?
because I know that potentials which is the inner ability of a man cannot be taken away

why can't we lead in inventory, why are we waiting for the westerners to discover before we use

why is the things you mentioned only happened in the past and not now

Because we don't use our brains, either waiting for outsiders to do the thinking for us or random copy and paste.

A white man saw an apple fall from a tree led to Newton's law.

A black man saw an apple fall from the tree, he picked it up and ate it.

KingOdart:
It is really good if you guys want to go down this part

It was rather the opposite, the whole Benin were actually Yoruba's slaves


Your Oba remain a Yoruba man till date

who sold your kinsmen in Brazil as slaves?

zeusdgrt:
The Benin never seemed it fit to expand territories and ascertained there claims on lands that's why u see these places being dragged by other regions,be truthful if u heard of another empire as old as the Benin or any other detailed civilization history with artifacts of proof here in Nigeria except the uthman Dan fodio and the rest.

The civilization, king, and artifacts Benin got it from Ile Ife kingdom and the prove is all over the internet

Rosskivvy:
There is definitely a Benin connection to Ancient Egypt. The houses of the Benin nobility had large pyramid-shaped spires on their roofs, plus there are numerous other cultural and linguistic similarities.

such names as amenhotep and egiepho,

Youngjohnosas:
who sold your kinsmen in Brazil as slaves?

You are really an Idiot, so you think it was only Benin Yoruba people encountered in History?

Fulani and Dahomey people successfully raided Yoruba Land and captured some Yoruba during Oyo Empire Clashes with them, not Benin.

KingOdart:
You are really an Idiot, so you think it was only Benin Yoruba people encountered in History?

Fulani and Dahomey people successfully raided Yoruba Land and captured some Yoruba during Oyo Empire Clashes with them, not Benin.

Awon chest beaters so nor b today una chest beating start.

Simply admit your fore fathers were slave to the Benin Empire.

HITsquad:
that Africa was not always at the back stage

Nonsense.

That has never been true. The rest of the world constantly loots Africa to maintain their development.

The lack of development you see in some places is by design. The same people looting are doing everything in their power to hurt development. Stooge government. Bio warfare. Terrorism. War disguised as aid. The list goes on. But Africa still manages to rise with all that evil happening.

Realtalk20:
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Very filthy set of judas desendants .. .
Let me even provoke you more

I hate Yorubas with a passion , alot of us do , infact I'm south south from cross river to Edo you guys are seen as a joke .. a very unfunny, crude joke ..idiot tugha rie eren

I want my words to burn and pain you to your core.

Disgusting thing , you think it's your stinking tribe that tells me who to love or whom to hate

Useless pig... So Edo indigenes are now the slaves of Yoruba and we must wait on you to tell us who to love or hate bah?

Tugha gioan there

Rubbish

Lol an inconsequential like you that his existence have no meaning

Who care if an animal like you that nobody know where the hell you crawled out from hate Yoruba?


What make you think you have an opinion in the first place?

You grunt too much and you are the pig here, no Yoruba give a damn about what nonentities from South south think about them.


Wailing all over the thread like a Yoruba was the reason for your misfortunes and wretched life.

Rosskivvy:
There is definitely a Benin connection to Ancient Egypt. The houses of the Benin nobility had large pyramid-shaped spires on their roofs, plus there are numerous other cultural and linguistic similarities.

Egypt was a colony of Ethiopia. People need to stop being so impressed by it.

Benin stands on its own as great. It's goofy to look for links to an arguably inferior civilization. That said, if there are links, it does have historical, scientific, and cultural value.

Only black Americans are obsessed with Egypt; because they're self-hating.

Etinosa12345:
So u that know, why is wiki now ur source.?

Because u don't know!!!


Akure was under Benin. Ur wiki says that the Deji were nominal rulers...
Do u understand now

Lol... U've run out of steam...

Clearly the Wikipedia u were using has sold u out...


Now u are clutching at straws

What are you even getting at?

If you guys from Benin want to play it this way, you know Yoruba can play better


If you claim Akure was under Benin and then Benin itself was under Yoruba - Ile ife

Your king till date is still a Yoruba man

Etinosa12345:
See this one... U posted the one that favored u

That same Wikipedia also says that Akure was under Benin

Next time, read the site complete before coming online to spill rubbish

Akure was under Benin blah blah blah

Benin was also under Yoruba - Ile ife

Even your Oba till date is still a Yoruba man

Youngjohnosas:
Awon chest beaters so nor b today una chest beating start.

Simply admit your fore fathers were slave to the Benin Empire.

It was rather the opposite, Benin people were slaves of Yoruba


Your Oba is still a Yoruba man and will remain like that forever.

Even all your Benin civilization were gotten from Yoruba and there are proves all over the internet.

jneutron4000:
[/s][s]Oranmiyan son built Benin empire. The Ogiso dynasty and the Odionweres system did not build any formidable empire. So if not for Eweka dynasty, you would not have anything to be proud of

My only and simple question for you is, who is the father of Oranmiyan

Rosskivvy:
Which light skinned Egyptian neighbours?

My friend, Ancient Egypt was a black civilization, just like the Benin we are discussing. Stop watching Hollywood garbage.

which evidence do you have that they were black? Instead of childishly telling me to stop watching hollywood movies perhaps you should stop following conspiracy theorists and Start researching more.


As much as I would like to believe that the ancient Egyptians were my color considering all their achievement... The fact still remains,,, they weren't black... But light skin doesn't always mean white! Aboriginal Egyptians had more black DNA than Caucasians or Arabs DNA according to research... they obviously evolved from the black race.. but their skin wasn't black.

Even the ancient kush that shared border with Egyptians described their egyptian neighbors as "fair in complexion and arrogant".... according to ancient tablets and diaries discovered in the region.

Kush itself invaded and conquered Egypt Around 727 BC, under the Kushite king Piye, he seized control of Thebes and eventually the Delta region. Establishing a new dynasty, the Twenty-fifth dynasty of Egypt under kush empire state.. declaring him self as king Priye and pharaoh of Egypt,,,, Kushite rule and influence on Egypt continued until about 671 BC(maybe This is why most people mistake Ancient Egyptians to be black...

So Kushites themselves were also as much powerful as much civilized and much a big deal as Egyptians...(but they don't get as much hype as Egyptians in the international media because they were black) So let's get over our emotions and stop claiming ancient Egyptians as black!

If you are talking about pre history, it's possible that the Egyptians were originally black... They are in Africa ofcourse and there have been series of migration throughout Africa since the beginning... But during the period we are talking about, they were not black.... And weren't Arabs either... Just aboriginal Egyptians. They couldn't be black when all their ancient Arts are light skinned with long noses. Ancient Kush arts were black... Go to the museum.

These are ancient kush arts... Compare it to all the ancient Egyptian arts you have seen. Lesson of the day.

deluckiest:
You are the ignorant one here.

Benin empire is the same as Edo. Both can be use interchangeably. Before edo state, it used to be bendel where delta state was calved out. Almost every tribe in the present day Edo, Delta were all part of Benin empire. The empire expanded to south western states like, Lagos, Osun, Ondo and Ekiti.

According to my aged mother, her grandfather said whoever killed a leopard or tiger is required to take the foreskin to the Oba of Benin and the person is honoured by a special title. You dare not disobey the, the consequences is better imagine. However, the journey from etsako was not an easy one. it could take months to reach Benin. Besides, the dead must be taken to Benin capital for burial. This scenario was not peculiar to the Etsako/Afemai tribe alone, but other tribes as well, to far away Lagos because they were under Benin(edo) rule.

A respected historian from one of the south west States(Can't remember his name now. Will search for it and update this post) wrote an article and lay everything bare. it is an interesting one. He describes in details with factual evidence, how Lagos and other south west states came to be under the Benin empire and how the dead were taken to Benin for burial. Infact, some names that are common in Yoruba land are actually Benin origin. Names like, Idioro, Eko '(eko 'onibaje), idumota etc. These are not just mere fallacy but facts. you can do your own research with open mind and without bitterness.

It is unfortunate that we don't value our historical heritage but rather carry religion on top our head, yet the country remains backward and poverty capital of the world.

Stop talking nonsense

Which Yoruba states were under Benin Empire when Benin itself was considered part of Yoruba Land back in the day.

Your Oba till date still remain a Yoruba man, it was Yoruba that brought Obaship to Benin and even your bronzes you leant it through Yoruba too.

The sooner Africans begin to love and appreciate themselves the better for them and the rest of the world.

Rosskivvy:
Benin City, the Mighty Medieval Capital Now Lost Without Trace

Guardian UK


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With its mathematical layout and earthworks longer than the Great Wall of China, Benin City was one of the best planned cities in the world when London was a place of ‘thievery and murder’. So why is nothing left?

This is the story of a lost medieval city you’ve probably never heard about. Benin City, originally known as Edo, was once the capital of a pre-colonial African empire located in what is now southern Nigeria. The Benin empire was one of the oldest and most highly developed states in west Africa, dating back to the 11th century.

The Guinness Book of Records (1974 edition) described the walls of Benin City and its surrounding kingdom as the world’s largest earthworks carried out prior to the mechanical era. According to estimates by the New Scientist’s Fred Pearce, Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops, [in Egypt]”.

Situated on a plain, Benin City was enclosed by massive walls in the south and deep ditches in the north. Beyond the city walls, numerous further walls were erected that separated the surroundings of the capital into around 500 distinct villages.

Pearce writes that these walls “extended for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They covered 6,500 sq km and were all dug by the Edo people … They took an estimated 150 million hours to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet”.

Barely any trace of these walls exist today.

Benin Wall
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Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”, at a time when there were hardly any other places in Africa the Europeans acknowledged as a city. Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.


African fractals

Benin City’s planning and design was done according to careful rules of symmetry, proportionality and repetition now known as fractal design. The mathematician Ron Eglash, author of African Fractals – which examines the patterns underpinning architecture, art and design in many parts of Africa – notes that the city and its surrounding villages were purposely laid out to form perfect fractals, with similar shapes repeated in the rooms of each house, and the house itself, and the clusters of houses in the village in mathematically predictable patterns.

As he puts it: “When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet.”


At the centre of the city stood the king’s court, from which extended 30 very straight, broad streets, each about 120-ft wide. These main streets, which ran at right angles to each other, had underground drainage made of a sunken impluvium with an outlet to carry away storm water. Many narrower side and intersecting streets extended off them. In the middle of the streets were turf on which animals fed.

“Houses are built alongside the streets in good order, the one close to the other,” writes the 17th-century Dutch visitor Olfert Dapper. “Adorned with gables and steps … they are usually broad with long galleries inside, especially so in the case of the houses of the nobility, and divided into many rooms which are separated by walls made of red clay, very well erected.”

Dapper adds that wealthy residents kept these walls “as shiny and smooth by washing and rubbing as any wall in Holland can be made with chalk, and they are like mirrors. The upper storeys are made of the same sort of clay. Moreover, every house is provided with a well for the supply of fresh water”.

Zeromoney:
This story breaks my heart. So the English man came; killed our ancestors, burnt our glorious Benin city to the ground and carted away artefacts and sculptures that identify us. Now if we want to know more about the ancient Benin kingdom all we have to do is travel to the UK and visit their museums.
Is Nigeria not a failed country? A country that can't preserve its identity or teach her citizens their history shouldn't exist.

if u know history wella, u will hate the site of a white man. they can be very covetious and dont like to see another race better than them o. humanity begins here in africa, Medicines and Civilization begins in Egypts,Precious stones, urbanizations in Ethopia and accross the coast of guinea to The Benin Kingdom. Untill they came with their weapons and carted everything away and called us shitholes. they change the naratives that adam and eve are eauropeans, jesus is a white man theory, and call us monkeys. I wont blame them if not our leaders who are already drunk with power and greed at the expense of Our nation and cultural heritage. Old leaders whose only assingment left is to loot money for their 50th gen unborn. Dragging the name of the most populous African nation to the mud.Come what may, Africa must be great Again！we move

jneutron4000:
[/s][s]Oranmiyan son built Benin empire. The Ogiso dynasty and the Odionweres system did not build any formidable empire. So if not for Eweka dynasty, you would not have anything to be proud of

You are far behind history

Rosskivvy:
I'm actually Igbo and thought you were referring to that group.

Still not excusing your bigotry though.

I'm Igbo, and I don't hate and distrust Yoruba people. Neither do other Igbos I associate with.

Rossiki, are you really Ibo?

I think you must be Joe Igbokwe our bloda. You sound like him and passionately defend anything black culture.

If you are not Joe Igbokwe, you must be in your 60s, an old headmaster and your dad must be one of those old catechists in Imo state.

GavelSlam:
Africans, take pride in yourselves.

You have a rich history yet adopting foreign ways make you despise and diminish your culture, your ability and your future.

Wake up.

Do you know that it was the introduction of guns in large scale and massive slave trade that were factors that destroyed the continent of Africa. The people with the knowledge, skills and technical abilities were either killed or carted off to the Americas.

P

jneutron4000:
The Edos always want to disrespect the Yorubas but we just choose to let them keep on believing in what they choose to believe. The Ogiso dynasty and the Odionweres system was what they practiced before Oranmiyan came into that land. They do no want to admit that Oranmiyan lineage brought in the Obaship system to them, in order not to feel that Yorubas introduced Obaship to that land, they brought a story of Ekaladerhan with no single proof to back it up. But there are visible evidence that Oranmiyan gave birth to the very first Oba that started the Benin empire, even the heads are buried in Ife. A history fact and evidence that has put a nail to the all those story of Ekaladerhan bla bla bla is the Ekiokpagha treaty. A peace treaty between the Obaship dynasty and the Aborigines of Igodomigodo. That treaty simply show that some Yorubas migrated from Ife, mixed with some Aborigines and created the Benin empire.

Wrong. Please stop.

Edit: Nobody said Oba system in benin wasn't introduced by Oranmiyan, but claiming that benin migrated from Ife is what brought the argument. Ekaladerha(Oduduwa)is from benin. I'm not just saying it, there are available evidence to support this argument.

This is pure misrepresentation of history.

That is how you people always attempt to twist the facts and rewrite history.

The monarchial rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. Bear it in mind that the earliest rulers of Benin were called Ogisos and not obas. Benin empire didn't start with obaship dynasty founded by Oranmiyan the son of the ancestral ruler of Ife, Ekaladerah(Ododuwa).

Circumstances led the son of the last Ogisos, Owodo, that wandered from benin to Ife and became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchial system to that place

And by the time the problem that led him to fled to Ife settled, they sought for him everywhere and eventually found him to return back to claim the throne which rightfully is his inheritance but he was to old to travel all the way from Ife to benin, instead, mandated his last born, prince Oranmiya to go and rule the people in his stead. He accepted. However, his reign did not last long because he noticed the people he met there were bitter, too angry and disorganized and hardly listen to one another. This apparently, was as a result of the many problems and issues he met there. because for sometimes, the empire was without king. I don't want to go lengthy on that. So, he returned back to Ife but installed his son, Eweka who became the first Oba of benin.

The Ooni of Ife,, by historical fact, is a son of Benin king. I know the truth hurts but just bear the pain.

You said no single proof? come to benin, the ancient landmarks and undisputed evidence are readily available for you to behold.

You people claimed that your spiritual founder of yorubaland,Oduduwa hailed from the sky and descended to earth with the aid of a chain hung from the sky. Such tales by moonlight is what you believe, even with your education that the Yoruba's are respected for.

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Heavensent01:
you're from Southeast, there is one thing of stupidity that indicate that in your show of shame


this thread is talking about the beautiful Benin empire and you claimed to be a true son of Edo have to derailed it with this unproductive and brainless unnecessary argument


I repeat you Igbo will always want to be like Yoruba forever and till eternity. you failed rising sun with high temperature of madness


continue dancing to your show of shame

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Heheheehe

This one is going off point useless ewe nole omwan re

Come on gerrout let adults talk

Bloody descendant of judas pretending to counter me

The most hated tribe in Nigeria

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KingOdart:
Lol an inconsequential like you that his existence have no meaning

Who care if an animal like you that nobody know where the hell you crawled out from hate Yoruba?


What make you think you have an opinion in the first place?

You grunt too much and you are the pig here, no Yoruba give a damn about what nonentities from South south think about them.


Wailing all over the thread like a Yoruba was the reason for your misfortunes and wretched life.

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The number of likes I am getting says the whole south south just like the rest of Nigeria can't stand your dirty tribe

Cry me a river

Judas descendants

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Babayinka11:
Why are you ranting like rabid dog, Benin and the whole Edo are inconsequential to Yorubas. so don't develop BP for mere nairaland banter.

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The number of likes I am getting says the whole south south just like the rest of Nigeria can't stand your dirty tribe

Cry me a river

Judas descendants

Realtalk20:
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Heheheehe

This one is going off point useless ewe nole omwan re

Come on gerrout let adults talk

Bloody descendant of judas pretending to counter me

The most hated tribe in Nigeria

ask your mother who your biological father is because is obvious you're a product of olosho


and someone greeted your mother the day they birth you? kid stick to your birth certificate to prevent this world class stupidity


Yoruba will always be the tribe you can never be even if the failed sun decide to rise

This thread was created to study and appreciate ancient Benin empire, but as usual our afonja pple r always jealous, so as usual they invade to derail the thread...
There r so many difference btw empire and kingdom...Empire has so many vassal state of wic ondo,Ekiti, Eko,Delta were part of abi una don forget say accordingly to all historian there is a boundary BTW Benin and oyo at otun Ekiti...
No ethnic group in present day Nigeria can lay claim to the fact that they invaded or sack Benin, the closest was the igala and we all know they almost went extinct just fot that alone..Benin went for war in Eko but the people beg for them to b overlord over them,there was a particular ova of Lagos that the king of Benin told to commit suicide and he did and his head was sent to Benin, Benin invade Akure severally to subdue their rascality they r so many...

EDO (BENIN)and Yoruba can Neva b one,Remember oduduwa was not an ife man he came from somewhere that also means that oduduwa overlord over ife and Benin,but the Benin ve always been telling u guy that oduduwa is prince Ekaladeran but for pride same ife people will Neva accept, cos the king of ijebu has said it that he blv the Benin version..

Before 200yrs back there was no united Yoruba people so tel us wic of the group were the Benin's slave to?,so we can start from there.

FuckThaMod:
Everyday my hatred for Europeans keeps rising, especially for the britains. Those greedy devilish white coloured skin bastards came to distort societies/places within Nigeria and Africa as a whole, created heterogeneous countries, looted our resources and artifacts. Till today we are still paying for their atrocities, any evil politician you see today in Africa is as a result of the actions of these Europeans. Africa lost way more than they can ever gain from Europeans and it really saddens my heart. If they hadn't interfered selfishly, Africa would be at the same level with them if not better, even though we may do our things differently in the african way but the end results certainly would be marvelous. Let this thread be an eye opener, let's learn to look inwards, focus on our own and cherish it.
No be everyone wey copy him neighbor for exam hall dey pass.

shutup oloripelebe

kozmicity:
Bro, please, which book is this from? Or which website did you get it from?

Robertb smith

kingdoms of the yoruba

KingOdart:
What are you even getting at?

If you guys from Benin want to play it this way, you know Yoruba can play better


If you claim Akure was under Benin and then Benin itself was under Yoruba - Ile ife

Your king till date is still a Yoruba man

well u would have to prove 2 things

1)Show me when benin was under ile ife

2)prove to me that oduduwa was born a yoruba man

KingOdart:
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Akure was under Benin blah blah blah

Benin was also under Yoruba - Ile ife

Even your Oba till date is still a Yoruba man [/s]

stop being emotional