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Youngjohnosas:
First class Skull miners.

edo state that is the witchcraft and juju capital of the world coming here to talk ...
You are inconsequential even in the south south

deluckiest:
Wrong. Please stop.

Edit: Nobody said Oba system in benin wasn't introduced by Oranmiyan, but claiming that benin migrated from Ife is what brought the argument. Ekaladerha(Oduduwa)is from benin. I'm not just saying it, there are available evidence to support this argument.

This is pure misrepresentation of history.

That is how you people always attempt to twist the facts and rewrite history.

The monarchial rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. Bear it in mind that the earliest rulers of Benin were called Ogisos. Benin empire didn't start with obaship dynasty founded by Oranmiyan the son of the ancestral ruler of Ife, Ekaladerah(Ododuwa).

Circumstances led the son of the last Ogisos, Owodo, that wandered from benin to Ife and became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchial system to that place

And by the time the problem that led him to fled to Ife settled, they sought for him everywhere and eventually found him to return back to claim the throne which rightfully is his inheritance but he was to old to travel all the way from Ife to benin, instead, mandated his last born, prince Oranmiya to go and rule the people in his stead. He accepted. However, his reign did not last long because he noticed the people he met there were bitter, too angry and disorganized and hardly listen to one another. This apparently, was as a result of the many problems and issues he met there. because for sometimes, the empire was without king. I don't want to go lengthy on that. So, he returned back to Ife but installed his son, Eweka who became the first Oba of benin.

The Ooni of Ife,, by historical fact, is a son of Benin king. I know the truth hurts but just bear the pain.

You said no single proof? come to benin, the ancient landmarks and undisputed evidence are readily available for you to behold.

You people claimed that your spiritual founder of yorubaland,Oduduwa hailed from the sky and descended to earth with the aid of a chain hung from the sky. Such tales by moonlight is what you believe, even with your education that the Yoruba's are respected for.

Why will you say Ooni is the son of Benin when it was Oranmiyan the Grandson of Oduduwa that brought about the name Benin There is no single evidence that Oduduwa came from Igodomigodo. The same thing Oranmiyan did in Nupe land where he gave birth to Sango was what he did in Igodomigodo land where he gave birth to Eweka. Nupes did not claim they are Prince, but the Benins had to turn the narrative that Ekaladerhan turned to Oduduwa. Anyways we do not really care on what you choose to believe but as long as you do not go beyond your boundaries which is the current Edo state. Oba of Lagos who was of installed and once used to governed under the administrative of Oba of Benin who of course is the lineage of Oranmiyan from Ile Ife, Oba Akinolu was disgraced and taught a lesson of recent for many reasons, some of the reasons which many do not know except from the few is because he disrespected the Oonirisa and was saying shit and indirectly crediting Oba of Benin whose father was a Prince from Ile Ife. They took his staff of Office and they took his shoe and that was the message, did you noticed how the palace of Ijora was protected, that is because the Ijora, Onikoyi, Elegushi, Oloto etc who are the royals in Lagos will never disrespect the Ooni Orisa, but because the current Ooni is young Oba Akinolu disrespected him. Anyways those are unnecessary stories for you. But it is better you stay your boundaries and we would not open history book for you, I have seen some Edos claiming that Lagos is Igodomigodo land, hahaha the Ogisos that did not even travel beyond their villages, if not for Oranmiyan, there would have not been anything like Benin empire, that stretched beyond Togo. The only link Yoruba has with Benins is their royal family apart from that, nothing else.

KingOdart:
The civilization, king, and artifacts Benin got it from Ile Ife kingdom and the prove is all over the internet

Lol even ur people wen dey here dey laff u for this ur statement please stop typing with emotions and acknowledge facts

Etinosa1234:
stop being emotional

Who is being emotional?

I am stating facts

kingsavage:
shutup oloripelebe

This mannerless dimwit again, you for quote me with your original. This one will soon be banned.. Empty head

zeusdgrt:
Lol even ur people wen dey here dey laff u for this ur statement please stop typing with emotions and acknowledge facts

You are the ignorant one

Go and learn more about your history

Dartilo:
This thread was created to study and appreciate ancient Benin empire, but as usual our afonja pple r always jealous, so as usual they invade to derail the thread...
There r so many difference btw empire and kingdom...Empire has so many vassal state of wic ondo,Ekiti, Eko,Delta were part of abi una don forget say accordingly to all historian there is a boundary BTW Benin and oyo at otun Ekiti...
No ethnic group in present day Nigeria can lay claim to the fact that they invaded or sack Benin, the closest was the igala and we all know they almost went extinct just fot that alone..Benin went for war in Eko but the people beg for them to b overlord over them,there was a particular ova of Lagos that the king of Benin told to commit suicide and he did and his head was sent to Benin, Benin invade Akure severally to subdue their rascality they r so many...

EDO (BENIN)and Yoruba can Neva b one,Remember oduduwa was not an ife man he came from somewhere that also means that oduduwa overlord over ife and Benin,but the Benin ve always been telling u guy that oduduwa is prince Ekaladeran but for pride same ife people will Neva accept, cos the king of ijebu has said it that he blv the Benin version..

Before 200yrs back there was no united Yoruba people so tel us wic of the group were the Benin's slave to?,so we can start from there.

Stop saying trash lol

It was one of you guys that started derailing the thread by insulting Yoruba

You can claim Akure, Ekiti, Lagos but you don't want Yoruba to claim Benin that a Yoruba man is the king lol, look at the hypocrisy

Oduduwa was not an Ife man but he was a Yoruba man

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Heavensent01:
ask your mother who your biological father is because is obvious you're a product of olosho


and someone greeted your mother the day they birth you? kid stick to your birth certificate to prevent this world class stupidity


Yoruba will always be the tribe you can never be even if the failed sun decide to rise

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Cursed tribe

Funny how much you guys are hated so badly everywhere. The few who don't hate you is only because they either work for a cursed soul from your tribe or do business but the truth is when we all gather together at the end of the day different tribes relaxing we all agree on one thing.

The Yorubas are an evil race who can never ever be trusted

Cry all you want in your next life pray to be an Edo indigene

KingOdart:
Who is being emotional?

I am stating facts

how does what u posted show that benin was under ife?

Benin traditional history says that the banished son who became oduduwa in ife sent his son to become king

prove to me that oduduwa was a yoruba man

prove to me that benin was under ife

Etinosa1234:
well u would have to prove 2 things

1)Show me when benin was under ile ife

2)prove to me that oduduwa was born a yoruba man

Benin was under ile ife when Benin people requested for a king from Ile Ife.


Oduduwa was born a Yoruba man because his name is linguistically Yoruba

Odu means "gods" in Yoruba and Oduduwa means " the gods of good characters" in Yoruba.

Yoruba only have one name for Oduduwa unlike your lost prince in Benin that you gave three names and don't even know the exact name he bears, which is an evidence you guys are trying to corrupt history.





https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Benin/

Rosskivvy:
Family houses were divided into three sections: the central part was the husband’s quarters, looking towards the road; to the left the wives’ quarters (oderie), and to the right the young men’s quarters (yekogbe).

Daily street life in Benin City might have consisted of large crowds going though even larger streets, with people colourfully dressed – some in white, others in yellow, blue or green – and the city captains acting as judges to resolve lawsuits, moderating debates in the numerous galleries, and arbitrating petty conflicts in the markets.

The early foreign explorers’ descriptions of Benin City portrayed it as a place free of crime and hunger, with large streets and houses kept clean; a city filled with courteous, honest people, and run by a centralised and highly sophisticated bureaucracy.

The city was split into 11 divisions, each a smaller replication of the king’s court, comprising a sprawling series of compounds containing accommodation, workshops and public buildings – interconnected by innumerable doors and passageways, all richly decorated with the art that made Benin famous. The city was literally covered in it.

The exterior walls of the courts and compounds were decorated with horizontal ridge designs (agben) and clay carvings portraying animals, warriors and other symbols of power – the carvings would create contrasting patterns in the strong sunlight. Natural objects (pebbles or pieces of mica) were also pressed into the wet clay, while in the palaces, pillars were covered with bronze plaques illustrating the victories and deeds of former kings and nobles.

At the height of its greatness in the 12th century – well before the start of the European Renaissance – the kings and nobles of Benin City patronised craftsmen and lavished them with gifts and wealth, in return for their depiction of the kings’ and dignitaries’ great exploits in intricate bronze sculptures.

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https://s3media.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/benin-bronzes.jpg

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“These works from Benin are equal to the very finest examples of European casting technique,” wrote Professor Felix von Luschan, formerly of the Berlin Ethnological Museum. “Benvenuto Celini could not have cast them better, nor could anyone else before or after him. Technically, these bronzes represent the very highest possible achievement.”

What impressed the first visiting Europeans most was the wealth, artistic beauty and magnificence of the city. Immediately European nations saw the opportunity to develop trade with the wealthy kingdom, importing ivory, palm oil and pepper – and exporting guns. At the beginning of the 16th century, word quickly spread around Europe about the beautiful African city, and new visitors flocked in from all parts of Europe, with ever glowing testimonies, recorded in numerous voyage notes and illustrations.


Lost world

Now, however, the great Benin City is lost to history. Its decline began in the 15th century, sparked by internal conflicts linked to the increasing European intrusion and slavery trade at the borders of the Benin empire.

Then in 1897, the city was destroyed by British soldiers – looted, blown up and burnt to the ground.

Nowadays, while a modern Benin City has risen on the same plain, the ruins of its former, grander namesake are not mentioned in any tourist guidebook to the area. They have not been preserved, nor has a miniature city or touristic replica been made to keep alive the memory of this great ancient city.

A house composed of a courtyard in Obasagbon, known as Chief Enogie Aikoriogie’s house – probably built in the second half of the 19th century – is considered the only vestige that survives from Benin City. The house possesses features that match the horizontally fluted walls, pillars, central impluvium and carved decorations observed in the architecture of ancient Benin.

Curious tourists visiting Edo state in Nigeria are often shown places that might once have been part of the ancient city – but its walls and moats are nowhere to be seen. Perhaps a section of the great city wall, one of the world’s largest man-made monuments, now lies bruised and battered, neglected and forgotten in the Nigerian bush.

A discontented Nigerian puts it this way: “Imagine if this monument was in England, USA, Germany, Canada or India? It would be the most visited place on earth, and a tourist mecca for millions of the world’s people. A money-spinner worth countless billions in annual tourist revenue.”

Instead, if you wish to get a glimpse into the glorious past of the ancient Benin kingdom – and a better understanding of this groundbreaking city – you are better off visiting the Benin Bronze Sculptures section of the British Museum in central London.


https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

Civilization rise and fall. In Africa as in many other places great civilization arose.
But I suspect three factors that made this civilizations disappeared almost without trace-or four;
Our building materials that comprises of mud that degenerates quickly.
-our climate and temperature makes things weather and desinintegrate quickly.
-the prevalent Forrest and Savannah that quickly encroached on buildings and overwhelm them.these forest even discourage building any lasting edifice to start with.
-and wars and invasions-internally and from external elements like the Arabs and eauropians.
And importantly too, the knowledge of whatever past civilization perished because we didn't develop writing. I guess the lack of big mountains discouraged us from thinking about the future,like and permanency.
In the present time too, the scant interest given to the study of archaeology has put the nail on the confine. This situation has fostered a sense of inferiority. A feeling that we are just incapable of doing great things.
Flip the absence of many of the mentioned conditions around and see what Egypt, Sudan and even Mali with moderate climate have from their pasts

Etinosa1234:
how does what u posted show that benin was under ife?

Benin traditional history says that the banished son who became oduduwa in ife sent his son to become king

prove to me that oduduwa was a yoruba man

prove to me that benin was under ife

You are a liar

What I posted was the history of Benin from encyclopedia and there was no where it is stated that the banished son became Oduduwa and sent his son to become king.



If Oduduwa was really a Benin man, Yoruba would have been the one that got influenced by Benin culture not the other way round.

Your Obaship, and your bronze casting, you got it from Yoruba even your gods are Yoruba.

Nri kingdom founder also descended from heaven, and shrouded in mystery like Oduduwa as far as I am concern your lost prince could have also wandered there, but I don't know why you guys aren't claiming Nri kingdom founder


As long as your king was from ife, you are under ife.

KingOdart:
Benin was under ile ife when Benin people requested for a king from Ile Ife.


Oduduwa was born a Yoruba man because his name is linguistically Yoruba

Odu means "gods" in Yoruba and Oduduwa means " the gods of good characters" in Yoruba.

Yoruba only have one name for Oduduwa unlike your lost prince in Benin that you gave three names and don't even know the exact name he bears, which is an evidence you guys are trying to corrupt history.





https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Benin/

stop crying on my post

what u are saying and posting are 2 diff things

i doubt u read if not, u wil lbe brighter than this

KingOdart:
You are a liar

What I posted was the history of Benin from encyclopedia and there was no where it is stated that the banished son became Oduduwa and sent his son to become king.



If Oduduwa was really a Benin man, Yoruba would have been the one that got influenced by Benin culture not the other way round.

Your Obaship, and your bronze casting, you got it from Yoruba even your gods are Yoruba.

Nri kingdom founder also descended from heaven, and shrouded in mystery like Oduduwa as far as I am concern your lost prince could have also wandered there, but I don't know why you guys aren't claiming Nri kingdom founder


As long as your king was from ife, you are under ife.

izz like u want to cry

please dont cry

Etinosa1234:
stop crying on my post

what u are saying and posting are 2 diff things

i doubt u read if not, u wil lbe brighter than this

Who is crying on your post?

You are the one spitting trash and I come with facts and prove

This is Benin kingdom history on encyclopedia, the authors and historians aren't Yoruba, Nigerians or Africans. They made their research before putting it there

According to Benin oral tradition, you got your king and learnt your bronze casting from Yoruba and there was no where it was stated that it was their banished prince that became king that sent his son to Benin.

It wasn't me that put it on encyclopedia and anyone that research true Benin history will always find it there so save me the wailing, I have nothing to prove to you.

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Benin/

Etinosa1234:
izz like u want to cry

please dont cry

Typical ignoramus

Go and learn more about your history and not all these revisionist you new generation of Benin are doing

I don't have your time.

J

KingOdart:
Who is crying on your post?

You are the one spitting trash and I come with facts and prove

This is Benin kingdom history on encyclopedia, the authors and historians aren't Yoruba, Nigerians or Africans. They made their research before putting it there

According to Benin oral tradition, you got your king and learnt your bronze casting from Yoruba and there was no where it was stated that it was their banished prince that became king that sent his son to Benin.

It wasn't mean that put it on encyclopedia and anyone that research true Benin history will always find it there so save me the wailing, I have nothing to prove to you.

https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Benin/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

The fact that he posted it doesn’t me it’s true

The nigga didn’t even cite any reference so what validates his claim


I want u to prove to me that oduduwa was a Yoruba man

Let’s start from there

By the way, the meaning of god in Yoruba is not odu

Stop being bloody liar and say the truth with ur chest

KingOdart:
Typical ignoramus

Go and learn more about your history and not all these revisionist you new generation of Benin are doing

I don't have your time.

Lol

Someone that can’t prove benin is under Ife is talking abt revisionist

RemoveKebab:
Civilization started in Africa

The only reason Europeans was able to conquer Africa and rest of the world was their early knowledge to gunpowder and firearms that came from China.

If not Africans would have been the ones colonizing Europe and the rest of the world.

The only access Sub-Saharan Africa had to the rest of the world by land was through the desert and through the jungle and both were not easy to move through. Just imagine what could have been if Africa wasn't so isolated.

Etinosa1234:
Lol

Someone that can’t prove benin is under Ife is talking abt revisionist

If that's not enough to prove to you then you are really an ignoramus

KingOdart:
If that's not enough to prove to you then you are really an ignoramus

All I see is tears in ur post

Etinosa1234:
J
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

The fact that he posted it doesn’t me it’s true

The nigga didn’t even cite any reference so what validates his claim


I want u to prove to me that oduduwa was a Yoruba man

Let’s start from there

By the way, the meaning of god in Yoruba is not odu

Stop being bloody liar and say the truth with ur chest

Lol look at this ignoramus using Wikipedia to counter the historical account of historians

Encyclopedia isn't true but Wikipedia that can easily be edited by anyone is true?


A simple Google search would have save you the embarrassment of saying "Odu" doesn't mean gods in Yoruba.

Who is the bloody liar here? I stated facts with proves while you just spit trash here.


I don't even have the time for an ignoramus like you.

Your true history is out there for anyone to see, I have nothing to prove to you and not that you will ever agree anyway

KingOdart:
Lol look at this ignoramus using Wikipedia to counter the historical account of historians

Encyclopedia isn't true but Wikipedia that can easily be edited by anyone is true?


A simple Google search would have save you the embarrassment of saying "Odu" doesn't mean gods in Yoruba.

Who is the bloody liar here? I stated facts with proves while you just spit trash here.


I don't even have the time for an ignoramus like you.

Your true history is out there for anyone to see, I have nothing to prove to you and not that you will ever agree anyway

Lol u are the bigger fool

An encyclopedia written by one person that doesn’t even have references is now true

Tell me the origin of oduduwa or u believe that he skydived to become king of ife

U can’t even prove oduduwa was a Yoruba man


So are u telling me that ur gods are Yoruba from the sky or they hear only Yoruba

Clown

Etinosa1234:
Lol u are the bigger fool

An encyclopedia written by one person that doesn’t even have references is now true

Tell me the origin of oduduwa or u believe that he skydived to become king of ife

Encyclopedia written by people that make researches before putting anything out there

Why don't you tell me the origin of Ogiso that also claimed they descended from the sky?


Nri kingdom founder also descended from the sky why aren't you guys claiming him?


You are the clown here

KingOdart:
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Encyclopedia written by people that make researches before putting anything out there

Why don't you tell me the origin of Ogiso that also claimed they descended from the sky?


Nri kingdom founder also descended from the sky why aren't you guys claiming him?


You are the clown here [/s]

Learn to stay on the topic . Anyone can write anything and claim it as truth

Ur website was edited by someone just like Wikipedia dumbo

So now tell me

Did oduduwa fall from the sky to become king of ife ?

Etinosa1234:
Learn to stay on the topic . Anyone can write anything and claim it as truth

Ur website was edited by someone just like Wikipedia dumbo

So now tell me

Did oduduwa fall from the sky to become king of ife ?

Stupid question


Did Ogiso also fall from the sky to rule Benin?

KingOdart:
Stupid question


Did Ogiso also fall from the sky to rule Benin?

Lol
The fact that u are trying to change the topic says that U have accepted that oduduwa was not born a Yoruba man

See u when u counter it✌️

Etinosa1234:
Lol
The fact that u are trying to change the topic says that U have accepted that oduduwa was not born a Yoruba man

See u when u counter it✌️

Oduduwa was a Yoruba man but I have nothing to prove to an ignoramus like you

You get it?

You are inconsequential anyway

KingOdart:
Oduduwa was a Yoruba man but I have nothing to prove to an ignoramus like you

You get it?

You are inconsequential anyway

No prove that oduduwa was a Yoruba man but we should just believe it because One nairalander named king odart said so

Ohk

lastchild:
my question remains, if we have all these potentials, what happened to them?
because I know that potentials which is the inner ability of a man cannot be taken away

why can't we lead in inventory, why are we waiting for the westerners to discover before we use

why is the things you mentioned only happened in the past and not now

Good question

Because the educational system is faulty and was perfectly designed to stagnate and suppress the continent.

Africa had its educational system that worked for them which gave them the advancement in architecture(pyramids),

medicine(local herbs that cure what killed them doing their expenditure on our soil),

military tactics (read about how Ethiopia crushed Italians and stayed independent),

economics(timbuktu manuscripts)

Even the indigenous religions(that interpret life lessons and morals through proverbs)

Now ask why do you think Africans especially Nigerians that school outside the country outclass the foreigners in their homeland?

Isn't the same african brain we all have? Or is there something that transform one's brain to super intelligent if getting out of the country?

Our educational system focuses more on memorization.

Thinking out of the box is not encouraged, doing so could damage your career.

Thinking out of the box gets you philosophical and technologically advancement.

Memorization gets you the original copy of faulty colonial education which was designed to stagnate and suppress.

KingOdart:
You are the ignorant one

Go and learn more about your history

Doctored document what length u guys won't go to claim an existing empire even when it's had no history ,have seen worst that has been corrected.

Rosskivvy:
There's nothing like a ''failed country''.

Countries evolve over time. Every country began as a disorderly scrap of turf in the middle of nowhere.

Was America a ''failed country'' 60 years ago when blacks were being lynched in the streets, and denied basic rights, or when they suffered in slavery centuries before that?

Was the UK a ''failed country'' a century ago when people slept 10 to a room in London and child labour was the norm, while the aristocracy partied?

Countries evolve and develop over time, and so will Nigeria.

One day we will know all this and many other truths about our history.

I like this, u are full of knowlege