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Maximus85:
10 empty points.

How does this affect our salvation sir?

Johnadeniyi:
Hi,
If to say am that rich I mean financially I would have loved to just place you on life salary 4 this spectacular comment of yours. I keep wondering why We Africans carry Western religions 4 head pass ppu wey get d religion...if Jesus was black n d west had come with traditional way of worshipping We'll still follow them gullibly...more reason I stopped going to church/mosque over 8yrs now

BlueAngel444:
who says Jesus wasn't black

dazzlingd:
We had carnivores long before garden eden.....and religion has mad some people to think that all living things were herbivores before man sinned

Aaronsrod:
How can Jesus be black if Adam and Eve were not

Liposure:
i think evolution would have taken its course

Mokason288:
If not for WOMEN I will still be in the garden of Eden

OP Can you throw more light on this sentence
“But it wasn’t forbidden because it was evil. Rather, it was evil because it was forbidden.”


Adam should have crushed the head of the evil serpent then and there. He should have squashed this rebellion rather than taking part in it.
Do you know how many times the serpent must have tempted Adam and failed? Don’t be quick to assume Adam did not try at all


I HOPE I MADE SENSE

Liposure:
god provided the food the lion will eat

sigiyaya:
Religion makes people look stupid.
I wonder what those peaceful looking lion in that picture eat or are they vegetarian

sonofanarchy:
kneegar you didn't get my point, how would evolution take place when those ancient dudes were dumb, just walking naked with a tangling diiick and boobs? If they hadn't eaten from the hyper fruit, I guess we'd still be in that forest talking to snakes and lions..

amidel:
I know where Eden is located. Visited the place like a dozen times, the goats there are so annoying.

asapants:
Where is the Garden of Eden,
I’ve asked multiple times no one has given me the answer. Indeed the earth � is a mystery

helinues:
Where was it located? Which country or continent?

sonofanarchy:
if Adam and Eve didn't sin, I'd still be naked in a forest eating fruits and playing with lions?who does that; no light, no android smartphone, no series.its gonna be boring in Eden

hopefulLandlord:
they're all bullshit! but if you must accept a creation bullshit then let it be local that still has some form of connection with you not foreign ones that don't even acknowledge your existence. Where in the Jewish mythology called Bible is it written that Noah left Israel then traveled down to the deep jungles of Africa to warn our ancestors about an impending "Global Flood"?

Liposure:
the garden was real. The bible doesn't lie

BlueAngel444:
yes o, we have suddenly become wiser than ancient religious civilizations that built things d so called modern world cannot fathom.

dazzlingd:
What are u saying.

Religion has never been known to invent anything and does not have the capable inventing anything.
Invention lies in the hands of thinkers not prayer warriors

sigiyaya:
My guy ur IQ too low abeg

SegFault:
Everyone has the freedom to believe or be what they want to be, it's not by force ahn. This forcing people to be what you want them to be is one of the main problem blend we are still battling with today.

Donspicey:
Christian is truly the religion of truth.....

Its free to everybody.......

Very tolerant unlike Islam......

Dats y u dont need to pledge bfr commenting...
The site owner knws y he did it like dat.....

ajepako:
Sule

fedorahat:
This garden of Eden story is one reason I stopped going to church.
Most Pastors including the OP don't know shit about the garden of Eden.
Knowing about the garden of Eden will change your perspective of religion.
Eden was a metaphorical place and as in all narratives once something is metaphorical you don't change part of it to become factual.
There might have been a real Adam and Eve but going into a deep sleep and removing a limb where all metaphors as well as the talking serpent, tree of Life, tree of knowledge of good and evil,

Understanding all this will make you understand and appreciate religion more.

Alexgman1:
10 THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE GARDEN OF EDEN

1. Eden was good, but not yet fully glorious.
Eden was bright and beautiful, and we tend to think of it in terms of perfection. But rather than thinking of Eden in terms of perfection, we should think of it in terms of potential. Certainly, Eden was pure and pristine, ordered and filled, but the Eden we read about in Genesis 1 and 2 wasn’t yet everything God intended for his creation. It was unsullied but incomplete.

From the very beginning, Eden was not meant to be static; it was headed somewhere. We could say there was an eschatology of Eden. God’s intentions for his creation have always been headed toward consummation, toward glory.

2. Eden was abundant, but it wasn’t yet expansive.
Genesis 2:8 tells us that on the earth God created, “the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east.” He instructed Adam and Eve to, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth” (Gen 1:28). Clearly there was an expansion project in the works. As Adam and Eve worked and kept the garden, and as they were fruitful and multiplied, Eden would grow beyond its current boundaries, and the glory of Adam and Eve’s royal rule would increase.

God’s intention to dwell with a holy people in a holy land could not be thwarted by human sin.

3. Eden was completely good, but it wasn’t completely secure.
As good as the original Eden was, it was vulnerable to evil, deception, and even death. This becomes obvious when we consider that Satan inhabited the body of an ordinary serpent and brought death into the pristine garden. In Revelation 21, John takes care to assure us that this will not happen in the greater garden to come. It will be utterly secure. “Nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life,” (Rev. 21:27).

4. Eden had a rhythm of work and then rest, but not yet unending rest.
God did his work of creation, and then he rested. In his rest, God was setting before Adam something to look forward to when he accomplished his work of subduing the earth, exercising dominion over it, and filling it with image bearers. Had Adam faithfully finished the work, he and Eve and their offspring would have entered into a permanent Sabbath rest.

5. Adam and Eve were made in the image of God, but not yet as glorious as God intended.
David wrote about the first man, “You have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor” (Ps. 8:5). Clearly Adam and Eve, having been made in God’s image had a measure of his glory. Had they obeyed, they would have been transformed from one degree of glory to another. “Transformed from one degree of glory to another” has always been and still remains God’s plan for those made in his image. Even now, as the Holy Spirit works in us, we are being changed from one degree of glory to another. But it is the fullest resurrection glory we anticipate the most. “We await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body” (Phil 3:20–21).

6. Adam and Eve were naked, not yet robed in royal splendor.
When we read in Genesis 2 that Adam and Eve were naked in Eden, it may initially seem to us to be a good or neutral thing. But Moses’ original readers would have recognized that something was lacking. These were royal representatives of the great king. And royal representatives in Scripture are always dressed in royal robes (think of Joseph’s coat of many colors, Jonathan’s robe given to David, the robe and ring given to the prodigal son). The report of their unclothedness indicated a need for royal clothing which would have been given to them had they faithfully exercised dominion. But instead of being further clothed, Adam and Eve lost the original glory that covered them. This is what made their unclothedness before God so unbearable that they sought to cover themselves up with fig leaves.

7. Adam and Eve enjoyed one-flesh intimacy, but their bond was vulnerable to brokenness.
The love story in Eden began with Adam and Eve enjoying bone-of-my-bones, flesh-of-my-flesh intimacy. But the same two people who were naked and unashamed are, only a few verses later, trying to cover up their shame. The same husband who held out his hand to his wife to welcome her, exclaiming, “At last!” only a few verses later points the finger of blame in her direction, saying, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate” (Gen. 3:12). This partnership that was intended to bless the world brought a curse upon the world.

Ever since this first marriage went so terribly wrong, God has been working out his plan to present a perfected bride to the perfect groom. The day will come when the shadow of temporary human marriage will give way to the substance—the eternal, unbreakable, most intimate marriage between Christ and his bride. This will be the happiest marriage of all time.

8. Adam and Eve enjoyed God’s presence, but they were vulnerable to his presence in judgment.
Adam and Eve experienced the joy of God’s presence with them in the garden before they sinned. But one aspect of his presence with them was the warning he gave them regarding the forbidden tree, “In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die’” (Gen. 2:17). When we read in Genesis 3:8 that Adam and Eve “heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day,” it was not as though God was taking his regular leisurely afternoon stroll in the garden. This was judgment day, which for Adam and Eve meant that it was also eviction day. No longer could they live in the holy sanctuary of Eden in the presence of a holy God, because they had become unholy people.

But God’s intention to dwell with a holy people in a holy land could not be thwarted by human sin. Instead, God began working out his plan to make it possible for sinners to be made clean and holy in order to live in his presence. The day is coming when, “He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God” (Rev. 21:3).

9. Adam and Eve could have gained the knowledge of good and evil without eating from the forbidden tree.
When we read about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:9), we might think that there must have been something essentially evil, even foreboding, about this tree. But it wasn’t forbidden because it was evil. Rather, it was evil because it was forbidden. God had put this tree in the garden to give Adam and Eve the opportunity to live out genuine faith and obedience. Adam and Eve could have used the wisdom God gave them through his word to judge the Serpent’s lies and rebellion against God as evil, while clinging to God’s goodness. Adam should have crushed the head of the evil serpent then and there. He should have squashed this rebellion rather than taking part in it. Had he done so, Adam and Eve would have been able to eat their fill of the tree of life, and enter into a heavenly life, without ever having to experience death.

10. Eden had the tree of life, but Adam and Eve were prohibited from eating from it.
We’re not told specifically that Adam and Eve could not or did not eat of the tree of Life that was in the midst of the garden. But it would seem that the fruit of this tree was a feast for Adam and Eve would enjoy once they passed the test of obedience represented in the forbidden tree. Revelation 2:7 speaks of eating of the tree of life being granted to those who “overcome” or “conquer.” Clearly, Adam and Eve did not overcome temptation. They were meant to rule over creation but they couldn’t rule over their own appetites. Because of their disobedience they were barred from eating of the tree.

Revelation 22 reveals that the opportunity for God’s people to eat of the tree of life is not gone forever. Instead, the tree of life is gloriously planted in the center of the greater garden to come. In Eden, the trees bore fruit in their season, which means once a year. But in the new and better Eden, the tree of life yields a new crop of fruit every month. In Eden, the tree of life grew in the midst of the garden. But in the new Eden, the tree of life grows on either side of the river. It seems to have multiplied and expanded, implying that everyone will have access to it; all will be welcome to eat their fill. And it’s not just the fruit that will feed us; the leaves of this tree will heal us. In fact, they will heal everything.

Sometimes we hear the story of the Bible told as Creation-Fall-Redemption-Restoration. But as good as Eden was, we’re not merely headed back to Eden as it once was. The story of the Bible is Creation-Fall-Redemption-Consummation. We’re looking forward to a home that will be even better than Eden.

Source;https://www.crossway.org/articles/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-garden-of-eden/

fedorahat:
This garden of Eden story is one reason I stopped going to church.
Most Pastors including the OP don't know shit about the garden of Eden.
Knowing about the garden of Eden will change your perspective of religion.
Eden was a metaphorical place and as in all narratives once something is metaphorical you don't change part of it to become factual.
There might have been a real Adam and Eve but going into a deep sleep and removing a limb where all metaphors as well as the talking serpent, tree of Life, tree of knowledge of good and evil,

Understanding all this will make you understand and appreciate religion more.

BlueAngel444:
Is big bang a fact

FirePower1:
If Eden is metaphoric then Adam can't be factual. The genealogy of Jesus Christ in the Bible is traced to Adam except you are saying that Jesus is metaphoric as well and that Israel as a nation is a myth which of course is not true.

FirePower1:
If Eden is metaphoric then Adam can't be factual. The genealogy of Jesus Christ in the Bible is traced to Adam except you are saying that Jesus is metaphoric as well and that Israel as a nation is a myth which of course is not true.

Harpyeagle:
Truly for me the garden of eden story is what constitutes about half the reason I doubted God, or bible or God's love etc.
Like God so loved man, why would he place man on same planet with the devil, in fact I felt he should have atleast punished Satan before putting man on earth since he truly loved man and made him in his own image *except God wanted man to fail...
Also God being omnipotent should have known man would fall long beforehand. When the deed was done I think most if not all of the punishment should have been given to satan. So because of that one mistake nan gets to spend eternity in hell. There are lots that makes me have bad thoughts about God, but I pray I don't lose hope and trust in him.

fedorahat:
The garden of Eden happened before the fall of Lucifer

In fact it led to the fall of Lucifer