To our friends, brothers and sisters, those who believe they know God or that Trump has a "God-given mandate", well, you may be wrong. See an article by an Evangelical in the US... A striking point from the article is this: "If God can use Trump, then He can as well use Biden" He is God right? What can't He do ? So, we have to stop analysing for God as if we know His grand plan for America or the world politically. As it is now, only if the electors turn faithless in the US, and that is not less than 37 of them decide to vote for Trump, then can he become the President. 37 of them. Michigan is lost, Georgia is certified,etc. Have we even bothered to ask: Is Trump, God's plan for America ?

Don't turn your responsibility of correcting the moral decadence in LGBTQs, abortionists, etc., of the earth on government, it is the job of we disciples to do that. If we are losing the war, then it is because our light is not shinning enough. If the US is losing the war against social derelicts, then it is because they are not deep enough, practicing enough, and lacking in enough power to cause a revival and spiritual change. Don't hope a government will change anything, whether republican nor democrats. They are sides of the same coin if you understand deeply what is going on.

What we need to do is lose religion, and find our true selves in Christ. It is not religion, that is the opium of the masses, faith-filled relationship with God through Christ is the game changer. Not Religion.

Enjoy this article. I may repost it on similar threads.

The Final Evangelical Reckoning of Donald Trump By Joe Forrest - Nov2020

After five contentious days, the 2020 Election has been called for President-elect Joe Biden. That noise you hear is Lady Liberty exhaling a long sigh of relief.

And, though Donald Trump may tweet to differ, winning doesn’t have to come at anyone else’s expense. But, first, let’s rip this band-aid off.

To my fellow Republicans, you can do better. I know you can do better. There are respectable conservative men and women of high moral character that you can rally behind. It remains to be seen whether Donald Trump is an aberration or the “new normal” for the Republican party. Please let it be the former.

To my fellow Democrats, you’re not off the hook. There’s a lot of work to be done. Serious work that affects the safety, security, and well-being of the marginalized, vulnerable, and underprivileged. And when the final election demographics are sliced and diced, it will undoubtedly be those people who delivered you the presidency. If you forget them, they will remember. The American people are not tools to be leveraged for victory; for democracy to work, we must believe in the systems that delegate power to those elected to represent us and have faith that those in power will be good and honorable people.

To my fellow Christians, we have a lot of repenting to do. I’m not sure what a cultural post-mortem of the “Trump Years” will say about American Christianity, but I doubt it’ll be kind.

President Trump may have made the Church more powerful (for a time), but he didn’t make it more loving. I know more people who have left Christianity as a result of the overwhelming Evangelical support of Donald Trump than have become Christians for the same reason. The stain of Trumpism on the Evangelical witness will not blot out without considerable time and effort. Nothing has left me more heartbroken than watching the very people who once taught me the virtues of walking in righteousness unabashedly champion and support one of the most immoral, egotistical, vain, dishonest, and corrupt men to hold the office of the Presidency in modern history.

But, policy over personality, right?

As Peter Wehner wrote last month in The Atlantic, “By overlooking and excusing the president’s staggering array of personal and public corruptions, Trump’s evangelical supporters have forfeited the right to ever again argue that character counts in America’s political leaders.”

An “ends justify the means” philosophy toward governance has no place within the Christian faith; Do not tell me that character matters in my personal life but has no bearing on the people who lead this nation.

I’ve made my dislike and distrust of Donald Trump and his presidency very obvious during the past four years. For some of you, that may totally invalidate what I’m about to say next. But, during those four years, I’ve watched high-profile Evangelicals write thinkpiece after thinkpiece defending Trump’s appointment to the presidency as “the divine sovereignty of God” to spite the evil “Leftist agenda.” Let me be clear: If God can use the reigns of King David, King Cyrus, and President Trump in spite of their immorality to bring glory to His name, then he sure as Hell can do the same with President Joe Biden.

I know a lot of good people who voted and supported Donald Trump. And they’re still good people. And if you voted for Donald Trump this election cycle, it’s my prayer and hope that you’ll eventually be able to exhale a sigh of relief alongside me. Because you’re free from the heavy burden of Trump’s yoke. This is not a plea to reject conservatism or your values. It’s an invitation to finally walk away from that man and everything he represents.


At the same time, Christianity during this period has yielded some incredibly vibrant and beautiful fruit. Christianity coalesced under the heel of the Roman Empire as a religion of “women, slaves, and children.” To see some Christians, especially the younger generation, seriously grapple with the interwoven Biblical themes of justice, liberation, hospitality, and reconciliation have been the most dazzling silver linings of this entire ordeal. Many of you have been awakened to a fresher understanding of Jesus’s message, untarnished by the corrosion of nationalism and populism. I’m excited to see where we go next.

Listen, this is not one of those cringey “Now, can we all just get along?” posts. But, Republicans, you control the Supreme Court and the Senate. Democrats, you have the White House and the House of Representatives. If there was ever a time to prove that all that bipartisan “reaching across the aisle and healing our divided nation for the betterment of the American people” talk wasn’t complete and utter bullshit, that time is now. Full stop.

Regardless of the final election outcome, We, the American People, are tired of it. We’re exhausted. We don’t want a sequel to the American Civil War. We cannot maintain this level of partisan-fueled ferocity and cruelty. We cannot withstand more misinformation campaigns, conspiracy theories, scientific denialism, social media algorithms, and cultural gaslighting. If we continue at this pace, we will burn down, and we’ll have nothing to show for it but the taste of ashes on our tongues.

America is ephemeral. All empires collapse in on themselves eventually. Or, in the words of the prophet Isaiah, “All nations are like a drop in the bucket.” But people matter. And character matters. And it’s time for us to hold our leaders accountable.

I can’t tell you if America’s darkest days are behind her — that’s kind of up to us to decide — but we need to acknowledge that calling ourselves “the Greatest Nation on Earth” doesn’t make it true. That’s not something that really exists.

Though I celebrate today, I know a Joe Biden presidency will not solve our nation’s problems. But maybe we can start talking again. Maybe we can take a breath and enjoy the silence left behind in the vacuum. Maybe we can choose to make politics less toxic. And maybe we can dream of something better.

But we’ll have to continuing fighting for it.

For liberty,

And Justice.

For All

Joe Forrest.

Sedentary resumes: Again, Have we even bothered to ask: Is Trump, God's plan for America ?

Let the discussion begin.

we are tired of news concerning trump

They called GEJ a devil. They said he was not a Christian. Etc...

The links and threads are too many.

https://www.nairaland.com/2117506/also-denounce-christianity-voting-gej


One of the strongest power of the devil is deception.

It's really very difficult to help humans because of the power of deception.

Today, people will rather they had GEJ as president.

I thought they said Osinbajo will be there to run things.

You can hate those who support Trump. That's left for you.

Whatever you allow on earth shall be allowed in heaven and whatever you disallowed on earth, shall be disallowed in heaven. This is very important for people to understand.

If you twist the desire of the devil to align with the the principles found in the scriptures, it's left for you.

If I ask the person who wrote this article, this question (WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF COVID 19 AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT) he won't be able to say anything. That's how bad things have gotten.

A lot of people have been deceived and they don't know why they do what they do.

The original writer of the above article have been deceived.

duality:
They called GEJ a devil. They said he was not a Christian. Etc...

The links and threads are too many.

https://www.nairaland.com/2117506/also-denounce-christianity-voting-gej


One of the strongest power of the devil is deception.

It's really very difficult to help humans because of the power of deception.

Today, people will rather they had GEJ as president.

I thought they said Osinbajo will be there to run things.

You can hate those who support Trump. That's left for you.

Whatever you allow on earth shall be allowed in heaven and whatever you disallowed on earth, shall be disallowed in heaven.

This is very important. If I ask the person who wrote this article, this question (WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF COVID 19 AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT) he won't be able to say anything. That's how bad things have gotten.

A lot of people have been deceived and they don't know why they do what they do.

The original writer of the above article have been deceived.

You mean the same people who voted Buhari a second time ...they certainly think otherwise.

johnhood:
we are tired of news concerning trump

Lol! Don't be. A lot of people seem to believe that who the president of America is has a direct influence on their chances in life one way or the other. I don't subscribe to that news though, but since there are some people who do, then the conversations must continue.

Trump being an interesting personality, of course will always crates news which you cannot ignore unfortunately. We are seeing the rise of Trumpism and selective amnesia by some of us who claim to be Christians, excusing away lethargic misdemeanors of the man just because a lot of people believe that they can legislate scriptures when this is not a Theocracy. Its a democracy.

duality:
They called GEJ a devil. They said he was not a Christian. Etc...

The links and threads are too many.

https://www.nairaland.com/2117506/also-denounce-christianity-voting-gej


One of the strongest power of the devil is deception.

It's really very difficult to help humans because of the power of deception.

Today, people will rather they had GEJ as president.

I thought they said Osinbajo will be there to run things.

You can hate those who support Trump. That's left for you.

Whatever you allow on earth shall be allowed in heaven and whatever you disallowed on earth, shall be disallowed in heaven. This is very important for people to understand.

If you twist the desire of the devil to align with the the principles found in the scriptures, it's left for you.

If I ask the person who wrote this article, this question (WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF COVID 19 AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT) he won't be able to say anything. That's how bad things have gotten.

A lot of people have been deceived and they don't know why they do what they do.

The original writer of the above article have been deceived.

What are your fears with Biden in? New World Order? LGBTQ, Abortion ? etc ? ALl those things did not start today. Some of them have been since bible times. Its not today. Biden will not hand the world over to the Devil. The Devil does not need Biden to get control of the world. He already has it even as the Bible itself acknowledges. So, what exactly are the fears of Trumpists ?

You are right. Christians should starting looking for a new messiah

Sedentary:


Lol! Don't be. A lot of people seem to believe that who the president of America is has a direct influence on their chances in life one way or the other. I don't subscribe to that news though, but since there are some people who do, then the conversations must continue.

Trump being an interesting personality, of course will always crates news which you cannot ignore unfortunately. We are seeing the rise of Trumpism and selective amnesia by some of us who claim to be Christians, excusing away lethargic misdemeanors of the man just because a lot of people believe that they can legislate scriptures when this is not a Theocracy. Its a democracy.

Sedentary:


What are your fears with Biden in? New World Order? LGBTQ, Abortion ? etc ? ALl those things did not start today. Some of them have been since bible times. Its not today. Biden will not hand the world over to the Devil. The Devil does not need Biden to get control of the world. He already has it even as the Bible itself acknowledges. So, what exactly are the fears of Trumpists ?

What you wrote are your thoughts not mine.

What I wrote is clear for an open mind. ( Don't want to say spiritual for now, even though it is)

I'm not out for argument. Things like these are foolish to the simple.

My point is clear anyway.

Just the same way we told people in 2015 here in Nigeria. It never made sense until it was over.

Just the same way the children of Israel insisted they want a king until they got Saul.

I repeat, it's very difficult to help humans when they are being deceived.

Sedentary:


What are your fears with Biden in? New World Order? LGBTQ, Abortion ? etc ? ALl those things did not start today. Some of them have been since bible times. Its not today. Biden will not hand the world over to the Devil. The Devil does not need Biden to get control of the world. He already has it even as the Bible itself acknowledges. So, what exactly are the fears of Trumpists ?

A million "like" for you!

duality:


What you wrote are your thoughts not mine.

What I wrote is clear for an open mind. ( Don't want to say spiritual for now, even though it is)

I'm not out for argument. Things like these are foolish to the simple.

My point is clear anyway.

Just the same way we told people in 2015 here in Nigeria. It never made sense until it was over.

Just the same way the children of Israel insisted they want a king until they got Saul.

I repeat, it's very difficult to help humans when they are being deceived.

Your views are interesting. I don't disparage them. At all. I believe we are having a matured conversation here. So, let everything come to the light.

Comparing this to Goodluck Jonathan I think is a very hard attempt. The first time I voted was for Buhari in his first term because i just wanted Jonathan out, not because of religion, but because it became very apparent that he had lost control of the reins. Nothing else. IN order not to derail this thread, i would have loved to pose teasers to you on Buhari versus Jonathan for you to see surprisingly that Jonathan may not have been better after all despite the challenges the economy is facing right now. If however your observation is not based on the numbers but on ethereal matters, then i rest my case.

To begin, Trump has been there for 4 years. How has that worked in your views with respect to what "mandate" you believe he came to serve? How has he spiritually checkmated evil in the to the advantage of the USA? Economically, what has he done that is novel? As a model, how has he impacted the moral and other fabrics of the country? Also lay it bare what he has done politically to the benefit of the US.

Goshen360:


A million "like" for you!

Things are not been put in proper perspectives that is why you have 73m+ people voting for Trump. Information is power. Misinformation is death because it is also lack of the correct knowledge, which causes people to perish.

I read that article and i was blessed primarily because it revealed the hypocritical attitude of many so called Christians in the support of Trump. One cannot be hiding behind a finger. If you are going in, go all in, no cherry-picking of what suits you and turning a blind eye to heavier matters.

BTW, i can't see the likes o lol!

Sedentary:


Things are not been put in proper perspectives that is why you have 73m+ people voting for Trump. Information is power. Misinformation is death because it is also lack of the correct knowledge, which causes people to perish.

I read that article and i was blessed primarily because it revealed the hypocritical attitude of many so called Christians in the support of Trump. One cannot be hiding behind a finger. If you are going in, go all in, no cherry-picking of what suits you and turning a blind eye to heavier matters.

BTW, i can't see the likes o lol!

I have been on this forum resisting and educating these fellow Christians who throws out their Bible and strong faith beliefs but want to hold on to so called "conservatives" beliefs which is political and i ask myself what exactly is their Christian beliefs all about then if it is ruled by conservatives beliefs?

The chicken has come home to roost.