₦airaland Forum

bigfish3k:
Which INEC declared abiola victorious

Anyway, yorubas turned have been used by abiola /obj.
Its easier for south to rule with Yoruba support than for them to want it greedily for themselves again.
Its easier for north to continue ruling if SW wants the president again instead of supporting the other southern units

When will you get it into your 'thick' head that no Southerner other than Tinubu, or any other of his SW 'anointed', can win the Presidency in 2023?

The man has structures and support across Nigeria his SE and SS compatriots can only dream of. Tinubu or any Yoruba he 100% backs will present a robust and winning challenge against the North. Any other Southern candidate, like the Jokers you Igbos parade, will be a pathetic walkover for the North.

Tinubu rightly wants the Presidency to come to the SW. No Igbo blackmail will work to bully Yorubas out of a race we believe we must win.

Given our standing in Nigeria and the sacrifice we made to ensure APC became the Nigerians ruling Party, we are not compromising.

If Igbos want to be President then fight to win the seat and stop being so cowardly and beggarly.

bigfish3k:
Which INEC declared abiola victorious

Anyway, yorubas turned have been used by abiola /obj.
Its easier for south to rule with Yoruba support than for them to want it greedily for themselves again.
Its easier for north to continue ruling if SW wants the president again instead of supporting the other southern units

look here you cant ask for APC ticket after igbos have spent the whole 5 years demonizing the party.
Opposition of south east and south south region is not enough to stop south west ambition.
From the recent bye election it is clear to everybody that there will be no emergency change in voting pattern, irrespective of who the candidate is

APC have north west region, north east region, north central and south west region as stronghold. That is total voting power of 18+14+ 10 = 42 million voting population

PDP stronghold is south south and south east region that is 19 million voting population.
Opposing south west presidency is a waste of time cos obviously you dont have the numbers

cktheluckyman:
You may "deserve" it? But you will never get it!! Bunch of greedy Hypocrites!!

Stop us then with your actions and not impotent noise and chest-beating. Joker.

Odewaleadesoye:
One thing that baffles me is that we haven't concluded the year 2020 and these politicians are talking of 2023 election already.

Wait ooooo... Did they even know if they would be alive by then?

to you it's 2023.....to them it's tomorrow...

Flier:
Zoning is the solution and I think it should be written in the constitution
This is a multi ethnic country,one tribe or a region shouldn’t hold others hostage

it can't be put in the Constitution because of cases like the one that brought jona to power.

ORIENTATION101:
look here you cant ask for APC ticket after igbos have spent the whole 5 years demonizing the party.
Opposition of south east and south south region is not enough to stop south west ambition.
From the recent bye election it is clear to everybody that there will be no emergency change in voting pattern, irrespective of who the candidate is

APC have north west region, north east region, north central and south west region as stronghold. That is total voting power of 18+14+ 10 = 42 million voting population

PDP stronghold is south south and south east region that is 19 million voting population.
Opposing south west presidency is a waste of time cos obviously you dont have the numbers

I know we don't have the numbers that is why we want your cooperation and equity so that power can come back to the south either SS or SE
Its easier for south to grab back power that way but you want the difficult path which SW is angling for.

Reminder :
You will loose your NW, NE and NC votes if PDP presents a northern Muslim.

candidtalk:
When will you get it into your 'thick' head that no Southerner other than Tinubu, or any other of his SW 'anointed', can win the Presidency in 2023?

The man has structures and support across Nigeria his SE and SS compatriots can only dream of. Tinubu or any Yoruba he 100% backs will present a robust and winning challenge against the North. Any other Southern candidate, like the Jokers you Igbos parade, will be a pathetic walkover for the North.

Tinubu rightly wants the Presidency to come to the SW. No Igbo blackmail will work to bully Yorubas out of a race we believe we must win.

Given our standing in Nigeria and the sacrifice we made to ensure APC became the Nigerians ruling Party, we are not compromising.

If Igbos want to be President then fight to win the seat and stop being so cowardly and beggarly.

Southern unity is now beggarly
We are only begging so that Nigeria can work but you people are just leading us to doom. The same way we begged you people about PMB. See where we are today

candidtalk:
You're a joker as most Igbos are. Always happy to reap where they have not sown. For the newly formed APC of 2014, the agreement was rotation between North and South.

If you are not a shameless usurper you would admit Igbos should not be seeking anything from the APC.

Rather you should make demands on the PDP who genuinely owe you big time for 21 years of loyal service.

APC should simply throw it's primaries to Southern candidates. Prove yourself in the APC. Fight like men. Let's see how you Igbos fare on your own merit in a test of popularity against other Southerners. You are all talking like cowards and failures right now.

So demanding for equity is now beggarly.
But why is Fashola also begging the north for equity

You people can also contest against the north and proove your selves as men

leokid866:
to you it's 2023.....to them it's tomorrow...

God will bless you ojare. I don't understand those who make the argument that guy just presented.

It is clear Buhari is not an optimal performer in a very volatile and dangerous global times that could spell serious problems for an ethnically restive and divided Nigeria.

The North loves playing Ostrich to only focus on holding on to power for the sake of it. It is Southern gladiators, haven seen the writing on the wall, who must fight now to influence the Presidential direction of 2023.

Everyone can see Buhari and his cabal want to move at a gradualist and pro-North pace for now and till 2023.

Knowing Nigeria and our weak legislative checks-and-balances arm, it is obvious to intelligent folks that we must endure with this till 2023.

The next best thing is for well-meaning political gladiators to begin moving to rescue us in 2023. All those talking about focusing on misrule today are deluded because nothing can be done about it by well-meaning Southerners. This is the sad reality of Nigeria that needs to change.

Can Tinubu force our selfish Senators to impeach a grossly incompetent Presidency in our Nigerian set-up? Won't ever happen!!! Can PYO command Buratai and the service chiefs to secure us better? Big no!!!!


Even with #EndSARS we saw that the average Nigerian youth is clueless. They were looking for Tinubu premises to burn rather than laying seige on the national assembly to force them into using their power to deliver restructuring, Constitutional amendment, State policing etc.

Of course realists know 2023 is the next battle since Nigeria is convened in a way that means today till 2023 is Buhari and his 'buddies' time to do what they please with our nation without anyone resolute enough to hold them to account and demand better for Nigeria. Senate won't do it, Osinbajo can't do it and Nigerians are not informed enough to do it right.

What then should well-meaning leaders do other than start preparing urgently for 2023 even from yesterday?

bigfish3k:
I know we don't have the numbers that is why we want your cooperation and equity so that power can come back to the south either SS or SE
Its easier for south to grab back power that way but you want the difficult path which SW is angling for.

Reminder :
You will loose your NW, NE and NC votes if PDP presents a northern Muslim.

since you already concede defeat then allow those that re ready to fight for 2023 focus on their strategy and stop disturbing with noise.

That imaginary mentality that north vote along tribe or religious lines only exist on social media.

Abiola defeated tofa, obasanjo, and goodluck Jonathan defeated buhari , Atiku, shekarau e.t.c It is the political structure that wins election not stupid ethno- religious sentiments.
If pdp like give atiku their ticket ,use tambuwal as vp, and kwankaso as Incoming senate president, then saraki as president of campaign council,

they cant win any APC southern candidate because there is already exsiting political structure to work for APC victory.

The fact that pdp want north to continue after buhari 8 years has made it easy for APC to win 2023. If you think Nigerians even your bethren in south south and south east region will troop out to vote another northerner in 2023 election then you re in fantasy world

ORIENTATION101:
since you already concede defeat then allow those that re ready to fight for 2023 focus on their strategy and stop disturbing with noise.

That imaginary mentality that north vote along tribe or religious lines only exist on social media.

Abiola defeated tofa, obasanjo, and goodluck Jonathan defeated buhari , Atiku, shekarau e.t.c It is the political structure that wins election not stupid ethno- religious sentiments.
If pdp like give atiku their ticket ,use tambuwal as vp, and kwankaso as Incoming senate president, then saraki as president of campaign council,

they cant win any APC southern candidate because there is already exsiting political structure to work for APC victory.

The fact that pdp want north to continue after buhari 8 years has made it easy for APC to win 2023. If you think Nigerians even your bethren in south south and south east region will troop out to vote another northerner in 2023 election then you re in fantasy world

Abiola defeated when Nigerians were not so tribally and religious divided.
Why was Tinubu stopped from becoming the VP to PMB if not for religion

You people have also conceded defeat to the north that is Fashola is crying for Zoning
Let's watch and see

You will see that the south will lose out because of SW greed.

It's easier for the north to retain power with SW greed

walozanga:
We hear

I don't understand Mr Ngige- the Labour Minister o!
Is that what is important now when ASUU have not given any greenlight for Schools to re-open after 9-months stay at home order,,yet you are there speaking Politics.
Are we serious at all? I have said it countless numbers that both Mr Ngige and Mall. Adamu are Politicians doing their bidding.Too bad!

bigfish3k:
So demanding for equity is now beggarly.
But why is Fashola also begging the north for equity

You people can also contest against the north and proove your selves as men

Don't get it twisted. Fashola is a real G. He does not talk much or verbosely. The few things he says a wise man will take seriously.

Fashola is begging for nothing. Merely reminding the North to do the right thing, honor agreement made and reign in their young turks who were frigging nobodies, unable to deliver even a polling booth, when Tinubu, Fashola and ACN were donating Governors, Senators, political machinery and the universally respected Yoruba reputation to help PMB win.

Rewind to 2014 and 2015. Who were those junketing worldwide with Buhari to sell him to the world if not Yorubas like Amosun, Fashola, BAT and even Saraki? Where were these Northerners, making noise today like the religious fundamentalist Yerima, back then?

Yorubas don't issue empty threat. Not our way. We will however always remind other that treachery and dishonorable behaviour, especially when we have sacrificed hugely for those people, can have very negative results.

bigfish3k:
Abiola defeated when Nigerians were not so tribally and religious divided.
Why was Tinubu stopped from becoming the VP to PMB if not for religion

You people have also conceded defeat to the north that is Fashola is crying for Zoning
Let's watch and see

You will see that the south will lose out because of SW greed.

It's easier for the north to retain power with SW greed

Nigeria has been tribally divided since the beginning of first republic thats why there was civil war after 7 years of independence.


Tinubu was stopped from becoming vp because there was an unwritten agreement of christain and muslim on a joint ticket in presidential race in Nigeria of which Apc honoured.
Same unwritten agreement of power sharing between southern province and Northern province after 8yrs of which Apc will also honoured in 2023.

Fashola is raising consciousness of agreement in Apc not Nigeria, fashola is not interested in who ever pdp gives his ticket whether north blablabla.
Fashola didnt blackmail other Nigerians to give the presidency to Yoruba's or west will pull out,like igbos want.

South have already lost of presidency in Pdp because igbos that should demand for it have already been defeated and rendered a political slave to PDP.

But in APC 2023 southern presidency is non -negotiable , all southern politicians have already set the ball rolling.

candidtalk:
When will you get it into your 'thick' head that no Southerner other than Tinubu, or any other of his SW 'anointed', can win the Presidency in 2023?

The man has structures and support across Nigeria his SE and SS compatriots can only dream of. Tinubu or any Yoruba he 100% backs will present a robust and winning challenge against the North. Any other Southern candidate, like the Jokers you Igbos parade, will be a pathetic walkover for the North.

Tinubu rightly wants the Presidency to come to the SW. No Igbo blackmail will work to bully Yorubas out of a race we believe we must win.

Given our standing in Nigeria and the sacrifice we made to ensure APC became the Nigerians ruling Party, we are not compromising.

If Igbos want to be President then fight to win the seat and stop being so cowardly and beggarly.

You are dreaming.The only presidential election Tinubu can win is that of the Oshogbo progressive union Lagos branch

candidtalk:
Stop us then with your actions and not impotent noise and chest-beating. Joker.

You are already not making any headway so why bother to stop you

ORIENTATION101:
look here you cant ask for APC ticket after igbos have spent the whole 5 years demonizing the party.
Opposition of south east and south south region is not enough to stop south west ambition.
From the recent bye election it is clear to everybody that there will be no emergency change in voting pattern, irrespective of who the candidate is

APC have north west region, north east region, north central and south west region as stronghold. That is total voting power of 18+14+ 10 = 42 million voting population

PDP stronghold is south south and south east region that is 19 million voting population.
Opposing south west presidency is a waste of time cos obviously you dont have the numbers

Northerners do not vote political parties.They vote for their own political interests irrespective of political parties.We saw that clearly in the Kano 2019 gubernatorial election

If you think Aboki will vote APC just because it's APC then you are politically naive

candidtalk:
I don't know you have a failed life. I am saying you are speaking in a way that makes any intelligent person assume you do.

I was a passionate PMB supporter in 2015 especially. I now accept he has failed in some areas, because of his limitations as an individual, but has also done commendably well in other areas some Nigerians refuse to give him credit for.

My support for PMB has now dulled because I see he is not the person to take Nigeria forward significantly. Focus for me therefore moves to 2023 and what I can personally do to ensure we replace Buhari with better.

I would be part of the problem, as you are, if I don't do that and just remain cursing others as "empty brain" and "useless".

Those people you insult as"empty brains" are way smarter and more brave than you. They never stop working to continue in office or replace themselves with "safe pair of hands" which may include their children, relatives and even cronies.

So where does your approach of insult and taking a silly moral high ground, instead of getting involved, takes you privately and your nation Nigeria?

You are all watching Northerners trying to perpetuate themselves in power. You will sit and curse all day yet it will happen and you will suffer for another 8 years if people who act to take their future in their own hands, rather than talk alone as you do, don't exist.

Sir, let me ask you a question. How do you describe someone in the capacity of an average Nigerian leader that travels to other nations, and sees how their system works over there perfectly fine, yet comes to his fatherland and advocates for backwards policies?

Do you still describe such person to be intelligent and wise in your own subjective view ?

By “system” I meant amongst other things:

1. A place where no matter your status, adherence to the rule of law comes first.

2. A place where the leaders serve the people unconditionally.

3. ... where the leaders thoroughly embrace transparency in handling of public properties, and funds entrusted to them in accordance to the administrative regulations and rules.


4. ... where leaders Establish progressive policies that would set in motion fair play ground for all and sundry to participate in politics of their nation.

5. ... where leaders are after competition of best idea.




I mean: How do I get myself involved in Nigeria politics ( as you have pointed out in your prolonged remark above) when even the ones ruling us don’t adhere to the rule of law and blatantly disobey court order with impunity?


Sir , you saw the little peaceful EndSars protest and how it all ended?

You saw all these things yourself sir. It wasn’t like someone narrated the stories to you.

The moribund system being vigorously propagated by the empty headed Nigerian leaders has created an awkward view of what a sane human environment is to the Nigerians.

You feel citizens who are not participating in the Nigerian politics are fools, lack bravery in all senses , and are failures.

A few folks still remains in this country that would never be brainwashed by the polluted political environment consistently being encouraged by the useless Nigerian leaders, giving a large number of Nigerians the impression that what we experience today in this country is what ought to be in a sane human environment.


I would assume you read it in the news yesterday where the Chadean President was fined of certain amount of money for breaking the COVID 19 set rule.


You saw this sir. You saw the manner in which the likes of Biden and Donal Trump are handling the election matter with utmost diplomacy.


You may actually think I’m in support of one political party. This is not about one political party. It’s about the welfare of our people, our unborn generation; these wicked leaders have made it impossible for things to work in this country.

The result of their misrule has created in the mind of the citizens so many misconceptions about the world at large, most especially amongst our youths.


Today, with the examples the empty headed Nigerian leaders lay down, youths see no value in integrity.

A large number of Nigerians only see their primary purpose of existence to be for material things, because that’s what our failed leaders preach everyday from their actions.


I can go really deep into things about this country that you will be shocked, sir.

With due respect sir, don’t ever refer to the present Nigeria government as an entity practicing a true democracy, because all the basic features of a true democracy Nigeria government lacks.

You can always find a proper adjective next time sir to qualify the type of government system Nigeria is practicing today.

cktheluckyman:
Northerners do not vote political parties.They vote for their own political interests irrespective of political parties.We saw that clearly in the Kano 2019 gubernatorial election

If you think Aboki will vote APC just because it's APC then you are politically naive

you re delusional if you think North voting population re going to vote PDP because of Atiku as a muslim
Political structure wins election, APC have already solidified their presence in North, what buhari needs to do is to present whoever emerge as southern candidate to his culture followers in North and the game is over.

For you to believe pdp stand a chance in presidential election Buhari will conduct in 2023 make it more delusional

flokii:
Abeg park one side.. what do you know about politics?

If not for Yorubas, GEJ would have been kicked out after Yar'adua's death and a Northerner installed as president.
Same thing with APC where Tinubu demanded that power must shift to South after Buhari in 2023.

What efforts have your own people ever made or contributed in anything than to be scheming on how to reap what others sowed.

See who is talking about Yorubas as if his own people are half as proactive as Yorubas.

If not for the rest of nigeria that voted obsanjo, how would a Yoruba man be president

ORIENTATION101:
you re delusional if you think North voting population re going to vote PDP because of Atiku as a muslim
Political structure wins election, APC have already solidified their presence in North, what buhari needs to do is to present whoever emerge as southern candidate to his culture followers in North and the game is over.

For you to believe pdp stand a chance in presidential election Buhari will conduct in 2023 make it more delusional

Yorubas actually believe The North will vote Tinubu over one of their own.You people are dreaming.

The North will never vote Tinubu.You are also naive if you ever believe the North will also rig an election to put a Yoruba man in power.

You are the one suffering from utter delusion and not me

candidtalk:
Don't get it twisted. Fashola is a real G. He does not talk much or verbosely. The few things he says a wise man will take seriously.

Fashola is begging for nothing. Merely reminding the North to do the right thing, honor agreement made and reign in their young turks who were frigging nobodies, unable to deliver even a polling booth, when Tinubu, Fashola and ACN were donating Governors, Senators, political machinery and the universally respected Yoruba reputation to help PMB win.

Rewind to 2014 and 2015. Who were those junketing worldwide with Buhari to sell him to the world if not Yorubas like Amosun, Fashola, BAT and even Saraki? Where were these Northerners, making noise today like the religious fundamentalist Yerima, back then?

Yorubas don't issue empty threat. Not our way. We will however always remind other that treachery and dishonorable behaviour, especially when we have sacrificed hugely for those people, can have very negative results.

Assuming apc gives a Yoruba man ticket and the north vote a northern in pdp, what then happens to power shift

History555:
If not for the rest of nigeria that voted obsanjo, how would a Yoruba man be president

The way they talk,you will think they actually have political strength.

The yorubas has never successfully installed one of their own in power.

The only Yoruba man to have ever successfully won an election and gotten sworn in was installed by the North

History555:
Assuming apc gives a Yoruba man ticket and the north vote a northern in pdp, what then happens to power shift

According to them APC is strong in the North and will win dia

Sammy07:


The presidency is coming to South, whether you like it or not.
You can decide not to vote if you wish.

Anyways, this is democracy, all southern candidates are free to contest, I no wan hear say, The west have no business in Contesting.

But West contesting implies power remaining in the north after 2023.


Let’s remember that the SE people are part of Nigeria after we filled OBJ and Falae in the two largest political parties in 1999 because of zoning/rotation principles.

History555:
Assuming apc gives a Yoruba man ticket and the north vote a northern in pdp, what then happens to power shift

That means power remains in the north, after all, Atiku Abubakar has dusted historical presidential campaign once more.

cktheluckyman:
Yorubas actually believe The North will vote Tinubu over one of their own.You people are dreaming.

The North will never vote Tinubu.You are also naive if you ever believe the North will also rig an election to put a Yoruba man in power.

You are the one suffering from utter delusion and not me

on i see you reone of the anti Tinubu, well you guys said worst thing against buhari but today Buhari is going to complete 8 years term.

‘‘If it was written there would be no court cases of breach of contract because it’s a document that is written and signed that goes to court. But the private agreement you make with your brother and sister can be breached, (it) is honour.” Fashola

This one called himself SAN, and yet was absolute that breach of agreements that goes to court were those that weren't written.

oyin44:
Good news for the yorubas, they therefore, have cause to be confident of winning .

THINK OF IT YASELF, OF WHAT BENEFIT TO THEM? CONTINUE TO BE A SLAVE?

bigfish3k:
Its on regional basis not party basis.
Your region has had its turn.

The north has the numbers they can continue since SW hate the other two southern units

He who comes to equity must come with clean hands

It's on regional basis for each party. NW has had its share in both pdp and apc. It's time for SW to have its own share in APC, having had it in PDP. SE should ask for its share in PDP since NW/SW/SS had done so.

ORIENTATION101:
on i see you reone of the anti Tinubu, well you guys said worst thing against buhari but today Buhari is going to complete 8 years term.

Buhari is not Tinubu