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joviegghead:
Can you list Koeman starting XI(if all players are fit)

Let me help you

Alba , Pique , Lenglet, Dest or Roberto(likely starter)

Busquets, FDJ

Messi, Griezmann, Fati and Coutinho.

They all were present throughout our dismal implosion last season. Just so you know, dembele was never in Koeman's starting XI. You said new players are being incorporated into the team. I doubt you know the meaning of that word. Puig, Alena, Matheus, Konrad, Pjanic? Are they being incorporated? Players like braithwaite, Mingueza and Araujo are playing because we're out of options. Is that incorporation? Is that rebuilding?

A manager that is rebuilding a team will start replacing the useless players and use the deserving ones.
A manager that is rebuilding will produce signs of improvement.
A manager that is rebuilding won't wait until wait for a player to be injured before he tries a talent.
What are the improvements you've witnessed under Koeman? Please, share. We're dying to know.

Rebuilding does not entirely mean discarding all old players and replacing them with brand new ones. You also have to be aware that the rebuilding process is being limited by lack of funds.
Coach requested for a striker and a new defender but club was unable to acquire them. This is why we create so many chances only to put away so little. If a defender had arrived, Lenglet wouldn't have been playing.
Play deserving players? Only the coach who watches the players in training knows those who deserve to play and those who must work harder to earn playing time. You cannot decide that a player is deserving just because you watch his YouTube videos or you like his face.

jpmoriarti:
Rebuilding does not entirely mean discarding all old players and replacing them with brand new ones. You also have to be aware that the rebuilding process is being limited by lack of funds.
Coach requested for a striker and a new defender but club was unable to acquire them. This is why we create so many chances only to put away so little. If a defender had arrived, Lenglet wouldn't have been playing.
Play deserving players? [b]Only the coach who watches the players in training knows those who deserve to play and those who must work harder to earn playing time. [/b]You cannot decide that a player is deserving just because you watch his YouTube videos or you like his face.

Not when we have a dummy as a coach.

jpmoriarti:
Rebuilding does not entirely mean discarding all old players and replacing them with brand new ones. You also have to be aware that the rebuilding process is being limited by lack of funds.
Coach requested for a striker and a new defender but club was unable to acquire them. This is why we create so many chances only to put away so little. If a defender had arrived, Lenglet wouldn't have been playing.
Play deserving players? Only the coach who watches the players in training knows those who deserve to play and those who must work harder to earn playing time. You cannot decide that a player is deserving just because you watch his YouTube videos or you like his face.

The problem facing Barcelona is not so much about the inability to buy players who can't even help their own present clubs, it is more about having a dummy as a coach who can't utilize the many talents he has in the right positions and who is tactically useless, clueless, and rigid.

jpmoriarti:
Rebuilding does not entirely mean discarding all old players and replacing them with brand new ones. You also have to be aware that the rebuilding process is being limited by lack of funds.
Coach requested for a striker and a new defender but club was unable to acquire them. This is why we create so many chances only to put away so little. If a defender had arrived, Lenglet wouldn't have been playing.
Play deserving players? Only the coach who watches the players in training knows those who deserve to play and those who must work harder to earn playing time. You cannot decide that a player is deserving just because you watch his YouTube videos or you like his face.

Guy what are you even saying. You better stop defending rubbish.
Some of the old players that we have are playing rubbish while the talents are rotting on the bench. If you wanna rebuild, you have to give the others chance to show what they can do, at least.

Even if the koeman requested for a striker and a defender, you still can't deny that the club has capable players to keep grinding out results.

As for your defense koeman, let me just tell you: Its not worth it.

Don't get carried away with the 'Play as you train' bullshit. It's a silly excuse koeman has been using to carry out his biased selection. Only a fool believes such. He used this excuse to bury dembele into oblivion earlier.

You say koeman picks the players who work hard in training, aye? Yet, they keep dropping dismal performances in matches?
A wise coach judges those who should play not just by how they play in training but also by their performance on the field as well.

As for YouTube claim, that's shallow fam. Players like puig are wanted not because of what we've seen on YouTube but because he has shown the world what he can do and the qualities he possesses. Every time he steps in to play, he keeps giving us what we've been dying to see. Both last and this season.

Yes o...I get we're are rebuilding and lack of funds blah blah blah. When Pep came, we weren't as bad but still barca wasn't as top notch then either. How many people did he buy in that first season?? Baba came brought Pique back, incorporated busquets, made something else out of Messi, Alves became a beast at rb, utilised Iniesta , developed Pedro into a sharpshooter, Thiago, ......most of these people mentioned were not really starters before he came but see how he turned everything around. Now see what he did with Sterling, Foden even Ferran Torres now sef. That's what a good manager should do, apart from being savvy tactically, he should be able to know your players capabilities and bring out the best in them.

Just imagine if Pep was the one managing de jong, Pedri and Puig at the same time.

joviegghead:
Guy what are you even saying. You better stop defending rubbish.
Some of the old players that we have are playing rubbish while the talents are rotting on the bench. If you wanna rebuild, you have to give the others chance to show what they can do, at least.

Even if the koeman requested for a striker and a defender, you still can't deny that the club has capable players to keep grinding out results.

As for your defense koeman, let me just tell you: Its not worth it.

Don't get carried away with the 'Play as you train' bullshit. It's a silly excuse koeman has been using to carry out his biased selection. Only a fool believes such. He used this excuse to bury dembele into oblivion earlier.

You say koeman picks the players who work hard in training, aye? Yet, they keep dropping dismal performances in matches?
A wise coach judges those who should play not just by how they play in training but also by their performance on the field as well.

As for YouTube claim, that's shallow fam. Players like puig are wanted not because of what we've seen on YouTube but because he has shown the world what he can do and the qualities he possesses. Every time he steps in to play, he keeps giving us what we've been dying to see. Both last and this season.

Honestly, I have yet to see these Puig qualities everyone screams about. I agree that everyone should be given a chance to prove themselves but ultimately the coach's decision is final.

Moura7:
Yes o...I get we're are rebuilding and lack of funds blah blah blah. When Pep came, we weren't as bad but still barca wasn't as top notch then either. How many people did he buy in that first season?? Baba came brought Pique back, incorporated busquets, made something else out of Messi, Alves became a beast at rb, utilised Iniesta , developed Pedro into a sharpshooter, Thiago, ......most of these people mentioned were not really starters before he came but see how he turned everything around. Now see what he did with Sterling, Foden even Ferran Torres now sef. That's what a good manager should do, apart from being savvy tactically, he should be able to know your players capabilities and bring out the best in them.

Just imagine if Pep was the one managing de jong, Pedri and Puig at the same time.

Guy, you've said it all.

This rebuilding excuse is outdated. Oh I'm sorry. Rebuilding hasn't started at all. We simply continued from last season.

GrammarNazi1:
The problem facing Barcelona is not so much about the inability to buy players who can't even help their own present clubs, it is more about having a dummy as a coach who can't utilize the many talents he has in the right positions and who is tactically useless, clueless, and rigid.

Koeman's work with Netherlands was actually quite impressive. I think it is disrespectful to call him a dummy coach. That he refused to play your favorite player does not mean he is dumb.

jpmoriarti:
Honestly, I have yet to see these Puig qualities everyone screams about. I agree that everyone should be given a chance to prove themselves but ultimately the coach's decision is final.

And with the decisions Koeman has been making,where do think barca will be when season ends?

May God help us o.

joviegghead:
Guy, you've said it all.

This rebuilding excuse is outdated. Oh I'm sorry. Rebuilding hasn't started at all. We simply continued from last season.

Not true bro. Rebuilding is in progress. We have incorporated Pedri, Mingueza, Araujo, Dest. These are players who have become integral part of the first team and they are all young.

joviegghead:
And with the decisions Koeman has been making,where do think barca will be when season ends?

May God help us o.

If he did not lose the confidence of the players, then things will definitely improve.

jpmoriarti:
Quiqe Setien that led Barcelona to their worst humiliation in Europe. Dt one is the one you are calling a coach.

Koeman is rebuilding the team. Lots of new players have been incorporated in the team. Naturally, transition will take a bit of time. It is going to be rocky at times and filled with up and down but if we get it right now, we have a team that would serve the club for at least next 10 years.

Koeman is not rebuilding shit...he's a pathetic failure who has always failed at the club level...
If we stick with him, we'll become AC Milan...
If you want to rebuild, rebuild with a good coach, not a dumb one...
You don't rebuild with a serial failure

joviegghead:
Setien is uselessness personified abeg.

Koeman is plainly stubborn,rigid and wicked. Setien is clueless. They're probably on the same wavelength.

both are useless...

See our squad isn't the best, but we should definitely be performing better than we are doing right now if we had a good coach...
Look at Flick, Bayern were struggling till he came along and see what he did...

I'm not expecting us to win treble with our present squad, but I see no reason why we shouldn't be at minimum 2nd or 3rd in la Liga with 2 or 3 points behind atletico, or even above Atletico sef...

Ask yourself, do atletico have a better squad than we do? Do Madrid have a better squad than we do?
Our coach can't motivate, can't strategize, has no game plan, all he is concerned about is tarnishing players image to the press...saying young players are making mistakes etc
No motivation, nothing...

That is why Koeman has always failed in his previous clubs

jpmoriarti:
Not true bro. Rebuilding is in progress. We have incorporated Pedri, Mingueza, Araujo, Dest. These are players who have become integral part of the first team and they are all young.

sorry to say, but you're decieving yourself if you think you can rebuild with a failure like Koeman...

If you're going to go into long term rebuilding, then you need a good manager for that...
Liverpool did that with Klopp, who had shown his quality in Europe...
You don't go and rebuild with a manager who has failed in every club he has ever managed...

If we listen to you, we'll turn into AC Milan...imagine you saying we need 10 years to rebuild...pls no talk that shii abeg

jpmoriarti:
Koeman's work with Netherlands was actually quite impressive. I think it is disrespectful to call him a dummy coach. That he refused to play your favorite player does not mean he is dumb.

Koeman is a dummy who is a known failure...
The fans of every club he has managed have cursed him till date...and are still cursing him...
Everton fans are still giving him daily curses...

Players who have played under him are still cursing him till date...
Stop defending the clownman useless coach

jpmoriarti:
Honestly, I have yet to see these Puig qualities everyone screams about. I agree that everyone should be given a chance to prove themselves but ultimately the coach's decision is final.

I don't understand how you're supporting a coach who is more focused on an ego battle with a kid than the success of the team...
Koeman is just a stubborn failure...he should be nowhere near Barcelona

jpmoriarti:
Rebuilding does not entirely mean discarding all old players and replacing them with brand new ones. You also have to be aware that the rebuilding process is being limited by lack of funds.
Coach requested for a striker and a new defender but club was unable to acquire them. This is why we create so many chances only to put away so little. If a defender had arrived, Lenglet wouldn't have been playing.
Play deserving players? Only the coach who watches the players in training knows those who deserve to play and those who must work harder to earn playing time. You cannot decide that a player is deserving just because you watch his YouTube videos or you like his face.

I dont think you're a Barca fan...or maybe you have no idea of tactics or anything and just assume that every coach knows best...
No it's not like that...just because someone is a coach doesn't mean he is right...
There is a reason why some coaches succeed while others fail ....
Koeman keeps making wrong decisions and never learns, he is a bad coach and a failure

jpmoriarti:
Koeman's work with Netherlands was actually quite impressive. I think it is disrespectful to call him a dummy coach. That he refused to play your favorite player does not mean he is dumb.

Did I mention my favourite player in the post in which I called him a dummy?

jpmoriarti:
If he did not lose the confidence of the players, then things will definitely improve.

It is always about the players.

GrammarNazi1:
Not when we have a dummy as a coach.

employ xavi this same tsunami will continue hitting Barca, I will remember you guys with this post later

Baddestguyp:
both are useless...

See our squad isn't the best, but we should definitely be performing better than we are doing right now if we had a good coach...
Look at Flick, Bayern were struggling till he came along and see what he did...

I'm not expecting us to win treble with our present squad, but I see no reason why we shouldn't be at minimum 2nd or 3rd in la Liga with 2 or 3 points behind atletico, or even above Atletico sef...

Ask yourself, do atletico have a better squad than we do? Do Madrid have a better squad than we do?
Our coach can't motivate, can't strategize, has no game plan, all he is concerned about is tarnishing players image to the press...saying young players are making mistakes etc
No motivation, nothing...

That is why Koeman has always failed in his previous clubs

Clownman is tactically inept

If you observe carefully you’ll notice that barce only maintain that 4231 formation when defending, when they attack its more like a 2-1-7-0. No structure in their game play just everyone going forward, leaving the defense very venerable to the opponent attack.

One few occasions I have seen Messi and shitmann both hesitating to shoot the same ball in the middle. It’s just crazy, this coach has no plans

haymekus:
Clownman is tactically inept

If you observe carefully you’ll notice that barce only maintain that 4231 formation when defending, when they attack its more like a 2-1-7-0. No structure in their game play just everyone going forward, leaving the defense very venerable to the opponent attack.

One few occasions I have seen Messi and shitmann both hesitating to shoot the same ball in the middle. It’s just crazy, this coach has no plans

we have no structure at all...
The players are just confused, no one knows where they're supposed to play...
We'll have like 4 players playing the same position

Baddestguyp:
Koeman is not rebuilding shit...he's a pathetic failure who has always failed at the club level...
If we stick with him, we'll become AC Milan...
If you want to rebuild, rebuild with a good coach, not a dumb one...
You don't rebuild with a serial failure

You're simply getting yourself worked up. There's no president around to sack him and appoint God to take over. You're stuck with him for at least two more months. No amount of insult you hurl at him here will change anything.

jpmoriarti:
You're simply getting yourself worked up. There's no president around to sack him and appoint God to take over. You're stuck with him for at least two more months. No amount of insult you hurl at him here will change anything.

no, we're stuck with him till end of January

joviegghead:
De jong deserves a chance. He's a good player. I think complacency his affecting him. If he drops a poor performance, he's guaranteed to start. Especially busquets. There is no competition for a starting place.

Griezmann might miss 100 chances, but he'll start. Busquets is slow and can't cover much space, but, he must start. Messi is sancrosanct(which shouldn't be,even though he's trying).

I remember koeman benching Dest for Roberto even when it was glaring dest has qualities we're missing. If Pique was not injured, I can bet my salary that araujo and mingueza won't smell the Squad list.

We have talents, we have depth in the team(capable replacements), we have quality. But why aren't we winning games? The problems all lead back to the manager in charge.

Sure Jong is good no doubt but he's overrated. And his dismal performances this season ain't doing him no good.

I agree with you on the others. When I started seeing Dest benched for Roberto that's when I confirmed that no matter any new coach or how fans cry and protest against Use of Roberto, guy man go still play. The witch_ for him village wey do that soap for am strong gon. I still no know where that guy dey subscribe from.

True, if not for the injuries Pique and Roberto are going nowhere. That's why I was over joyous with their injury. the thing sweet me die. If you know for how many months me and my Gees over here don dey pray for this kind thing ehn, especially Roberto. Painfully the guy no go reach 4 months. I'll still manage him 2 months sha.
Next is Busquets.

abduleez1:
Sure Jong is good no doubt but he's overrated. And his dismal performances this season ain't doing him no good.

I agree with you on the others. When I started seeing Dest benched for Roberto that's when I confirmed that no matter any new coach or how fans cry and protest against Use of Roberto, guy man go still play. The witch_ for him village wey do that soap for am strong gon. I still no know where that guy dey subscribe from.

True, if not for the injuries Pique and Roberto are going nowhere. That's why I was over joyous with their injury. the thing sweet me die. If you know for how many months me and my Gees over here don dey pray for this kind thing ehn, especially Roberto. Painfully the guy no go reach 4 months. I'll still manage him 2 months sha.
Next is Busquets.

Baba de jong has been one of our best players in the last 3 matches

Moura7:
Baba de jong has been one of our best players in the last 3 matches

Maybe but that doesn't excuse him of being shite!! Season long.

I'll wait for the next 2-3 matches before I conclude on De Jong. If he can keep up good performances for at least 5-6 matches straight then I'll say he's slowly but assuredly picking up. But so far na scam.

No pepper and ingredients wey you put go change my mind. He's overrated. You know how many matches De Jong cost us earlier this season?? From stupid back passes and losing ball in dangerous places and stupidly holding unto the ball for far too long, as if say na neymar. The love wey I gat for him don depreciate. He's also part of non performing players who gets the pass since it's Koeman and you loved by him. Others: Griezmann, Pique, Busquets,Alba, Roberto.

I see no reason why we shouldn't build our attack around Braithwaithe. That dude has shown promise and dedication. Koeman just dey waste am for LW when he knows almost useless Griezmann won't stay at CF position through out a game. MB seems to navigate the LW well but he would have been better served at striker. Imagine sacrificing just for Griezmann to be comfortable.

Xavi Hernández: “Talent always beats physical. The day that doesn't happen we'll screw it up because this football thing will be very boring than."

joviegghead:
I don't really know o,but something tells me the boy has strong backing. For him to stubbornly stay at barca. For example, Xavi said if he was manager, Puig would be a starter. Plus Xavi is Font's choice and font is favorite to win. I think the boy feels his time his coming. Just thinking o.

As for koeman, he is making it so obvious that he has a personal thing against the boy. I get he has the right to make choices but his choices are painted with errors you start wondering what he's thinking.

Players who shouldn't be playing are getting guaranteed spots, Players who show hunger and passion are warming the bench .

His substitutions are never spot on.

I swear I never believe I'll say this but I kinda miss Valverde.

If Valverde sub for you ehn you go get hope say something can come out the match. Valverde never good with his starting lineup but his subs were on point most times. That's why Barca was the comeback kings few seasons ago. Most of our goals coming in the 2nd half and also a goal down.

Na that coach make me know say Barca get the ability to win match for dieing minutes(last 3mins) if we wanted to(depending on the zeal and players on field). I always thought only Madrid had that in Spain.

haymekus:
Xavi Hernández: “Talent always beats physical. The day that doesn't happen we'll screw it up because this football thing will be very boring than."

Omo no get too happy now oo.... Even Victor Font dey shake like this cos Xavi release statement implying that he's decided on staying in UAE for a while.

For the mean time I propose sacking Koeman(when Font is on the wheel) and using our Academy coach Pimienta as Head coach of first team. That's an easier transition method and added benefits since he's homegrown and knows the Turf.
Using him Barca have a soft padding in the short term to steady things a bit before Xavi comes in the next 2 years.

That way it's far easier and convenient to integrate the younger ones and wean ourselves from the Old Horses. In essence building a team of the future.

abduleez1:
Maybe but that doesn't excuse him of being shite!! Season long.

I'll wait for the next 2-3 matches before I conclude on De Jong. If he can keep up good performances for at least 5-6 matches straight then I'll say he's slowly but assuredly picking up. But so far na scam.

No pepper and ingredients wey you put go change my mind. He's overrated. You know how many matches De Jong cost us earlier this season?? From stupid back passes and losing ball in dangerous places and stupidly holding unto the ball for far too long, as if say na neymar. The love wey I gat for him don depreciate. He's also part of non performing players who gets the pass since it's Koeman and you loved by him. Others: Griezmann, Pique, Busquets,Alba, Roberto.

I see no reason why we shouldn't build our attack around Braithwaithe. That dude has shown promise and dedication. Koeman just dey waste am for LW when he knows almost useless Griezmann won't stay at CF position through out a game. MB seems to navigate the LW well but he would have been better served at striker. Imagine sacrificing just for Griezmann to be comfortable.

I understand sha....as for MB playing the LW role now na because say na e be the closest person wey fit offer us the width we need there at the moment. But let's be honest as much as MB is very dedicated and I say this respectfully, he isn't exactly world class material, he's not that clinical in finishing either. MB hasn't scored a striker's kind of goal since he signed with us, even 1v1 situations.

Moura7:
I understand sha....as for MB playing the LW role now na because say na e be the closest person wey fit offer us the width we need there at the moment. But let's be honest as much as MB is very dedicated and I say this respectfully, he isn't exactly world class material, he's not that clinical in finishing either. MB hasn't scored a striker's kind of goal since he signed with us, even 1v1 situations.

MB hasn't been the one losing the chances. Man! we've got to cut him some slack and give him the benefit of doubt...

One person I can't and would never give breathing space is Shitmann. That guy has never been Barca material, only the stupid Barthomeu fancied him.