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The problem I think with most people, stems from the fact that we can do it all on our own. We mistakenly translate this attitude towards our Christian walk with God.

You see God already knew, the journey wasn't going to be easy. So he gave us the HELPER. The holy spirit is our adviser,counsellor, guardian, teacher etc

The holy spirit is here to help us in our personal walk with God "I'm what I am by the grace of God", "greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world". We are elevated because of him, we are strong because of him, we are victorious because of him.

It's as easy as saying "Holy spirit, HELP ME defeat masturbation". It starts by saying Help me Holy spirit!!

"...and my Lord is able to do exceeding, abundantly more than we ask or imagine, through the POWER AT WORK IN US"

This is a reeally beautiful piece!

SteelMcqueen:
The problem I think with most people, stems from the fact that we can do it all on our own. We mistakenly translate this attitude towards our Christian walk with God.

You see God already knew, the journey wasn't going to be easy. So he gave us the HELPER. The holy spirit is our adviser,counsellor, guardian, teacher etc

The holy spirit is here to help us in our personal walk with God "I'm what I am by the grace of God", "greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world". We are elevated because of him, we are strong because of him, we are victorious because of him.

It's as easy as saying "Holy spirit, HELP ME defeat masturbation". It starts by saying Help me Holy spirit!!

"...and my Lord is able to do exceeding, abundantly more than we ask or imagine, through the POWER AT WORK IN US"

Jesus Christ did not send His disciples out to become motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort. No,instead He sent them all out to preach precisely what He taught them, not even their remix or take on what He taught. Why? Because the minute you start to tweak His message, you end up in violation of His commandments/teachings, and this is the case here.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not send His disciples out to become motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort. No,instead He sent them all out to preach precisely what He taught them, not even their remix or take on what He taught. Why? Because the minute you start to tweak His message, you end up in violation of His commandments/teachings, and this is the case here.

Oh twisted soul, then where is the place of edifying yourselves one to another?

As I said

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not send His disciples out to become motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort. No,instead He sent them all out to preach precisely what He taught them, not even their remix or take on what He taught. Why? Because the minute you start to tweak His message, you end up in violation of His commandments/teachings, and this is the case here.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not send His disciples out to become motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort.

Do note, Jesus sent people to do what he did which was "blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor", so, if todays illnesses are motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort, why would Jesus disciples not heal them with Jesus?

Kobojunkie:
Because the minute you start to tweak His message, you end up in violation of His commandments/teachings, and this is the case here.

The Jesus who tweaked "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth" into "whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also", will not expect you to evolve and tweak too?

Hmm.

This whole christianity ideology is so confusing and undefendable..i think i will just stick with the torah..

It makes better sense..

sonmvayina:
This whole christianity ideology is so confusing and undefendable..i think i will just stick with the torah..

It makes better sense..

You will only not get the understanding you'll get if you stop halfway.

budaatum:
You will only not get the understanding you'll get if you stop halfway.

The torah is the way , the truth and life....it is the complete parkage..

sonmvayina:
The torah is the way , the truth and life....it is the complete parkage..

So, all along, son, your argument is one myth is superior to another?

Are Abraham, Moses and Adam and Eve less mythology than Jesus?

Well, I like the Word of God. In it we read that, If all the trees on earth were pens, and the ocean were ink, replenished by seven more oceans, the writing of Allah's Words (His wonderful signs and creations) would not be exhausted; surely Allah is Mighty Wise.

Therefore, do not live by bread alone or you will become malnourished!

budaatum:
Do note, Jesus sent people to do what he did which was "blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor", so, if todays illnesses are motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort, why would Jesus disciples not heal them with Jesus?

Today's illnesses aren't motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors and the lot. Instead what Jesus Christ referred called them are false teachers and false prophets who teach doctrines and traditions of men, lies which have nothing to do with what God instructed/commanded. There is no supposed healing prescribed by Jesus Christ for such. However, He is clear of what awaits those who chose to teach doctrines and traditions of men in his name.

budaatum:
The Jesus who tweaked "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth" into "whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also", will not expect you to evolve and tweak too? Hmm.

Jesus Christ is the Law(the New Covenant) and the Lawgiver - the New Covenant agreement between God and man. He calls His followers to follow/obey His commandments, not create and teach doctrines and traditions of men instead.
As part of His Old Covenant, God included a commandment against such actions.

Deuteronomy 4 vs 1-2 (ERV)
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1. “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.
2. You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you.

In the New Covenant, the commandment is retained by Jesus Christ in His way.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted

budaatum:
So, all along, son, your argument is one myth is superior to another?

Are Abraham, Moses and Adam and Eve less mythology than Jesus?

Well, I like the Word of God. In it we read that, If all the trees on earth were pens, and the ocean were ink, replenished by seven more oceans, the writing of Allah's Words (His wonderful signs and creations) would not be exhausted; surely Allah is Mighty Wise.

Therefore, do not live by bread alone or you will become malnourished!

This your sandwich approach is not helping matters, you will start with something good. Add something bad in the middle then conclude with another good idea...thats why i dont follow your line of thought...sometimes i have to sleep over it before i remove the shaft from the grain..

The jesus myth is a big distraction. It DOES not lead anybody to God but rather away from God. Everything the christain claim about their God is an abomination to the creator. The new testament is not a continuation of the old. That the romans added it at the end of the jewish one does not mean it is inspired. It is the deception. I have realised that and i am not falling for it again...

I know how hard it is to unlearn the bull shit..it was for me..

sonmvayina:
This your sandwich approach is not helping matters, you will start with something good. Add something bad in the middle then conclude with another good idea...thats why i dont follow your line of thought...sometimes i have to sleep over it before i remove the shaft from the grain..

You can not imagine how much respect you have from me for the above and fact that you have to sleep over it. That is because by design I am not writing for your eyes that see but comprehendeth not, but for your mind that takes what your eyes see and works when you sleep to interprete it to you and give you meaning.

You are at fault. Having had the opportunity to engage buda for years and understand buda (note, not believe!), you have only just begun reading buda, but you have not yet learnt to ask questions, which is the next level in your education.

sonmvayina:
The jesus myth is a big distraction. It DOES not lead anybody to God but rather away from God. Everything the christain claim about their God is an abomination to the creator. The new testament is not a continuation of the old. That the romans added it at the end of the jewish one does not mean it is inspired. It is the deception. I have realised that and i am not falling for it again....

Can you possibly consider that you say the above because you lack understanding? After all, millions have been led to God by that which has led not you. Or is it your opinion that they all lie?

Do note that by adding it, the Romans have made the New Testament a part of God's Words, though like all texts, one must first tune to the God Channels to comprehend.

sonmvayina:
I know how hard it is to unlearn the bull shit..it was for me..

buda is not like you son, and should not assume nor generalise that everyone has the experiences thst you have. After being an atheist from birth, and not having buda's head filled with bull shit, buda only adopted religion in January last year, and buda is not finding it hard to learn and understand at all and not believe, which is where you err.

You judge by believability, perhaps. Like if you are told a virgin gave birth to a child you must decide to believe it or not, and since you rightly can not believe it you call it all bull shit. That is what many do. That which they do not understand they call names.

buda has no such problem of being obliged to believe because it is obvious that a woman can not give birth without receiving sperm. This makes buda seek understanding of what could possibly be meant by The Virgin Mary gave birth in a manger, which I am of the opinion you do not do but discard instead.

Your eyes will surely open. Seek, and be patient on the Lord Almighty.

budaatum:
You can not imagine how much respect you have from me for the above and fact that you have to sleep over it. That is because by design I am not writing for your eyes that see but comprehendeth not, but for your mind that takes what your eyes see and works when you sleep to interprete it to you and give you meaning.

You are at fault. Having had the opportunity to engage buda for years and understand buda (note, not believe!), you have only just begun reading buda, but you have not yet learnt to ask questions, which is the next level in your education.


Can you possibly consider that you say the above because you lack understanding? After all, millions have been led to God by that which has led not you. Or is it your opinion that they all lie?

Do note that by adding it, the Romans have made the New Testament a part of God's Words, though like all texts, one must first tune to the God Channels to comprehend.


buda is not like you son, and should not assume nor generalise that everyone has the experiences thst you have. After being an atheist from birth, and not having buda's head filled with bull shit, buda only adopted religion in January last year, and buda is not finding it hard to learn and understand at all and not believe, which is where you err.

You judge by believability, perhaps. Like if you are told a virgin gave birth to a child you must decide to believe it or not, and since you rightly can not believe it you call it all bull shit. That is what many do. That which they do not understand they call names.

buda has no such problem of being obliged to believe because it is obvious that a woman can not give birth without receiving sperm. This makes buda seek understanding of what could possibly be meant by [i]The Virgin Mary gave birth in a manger, which I am of the opinion you do not do but discard instead.[/i]

Your eyes will surely open. Seek, and be patient on the Lord Almighty.

How do you understand the virgin birth..its a sincere question.

Hiw does it make sense and what is it surppose to accomplish..

sonmvayina:
How do you understand the virgin birth..its a sincere question.

Hiw does it make sense and what is it surppose to accomplish..

I always appreciate sincerity. And more so your use of the word "understand". Don't like the "suppose" however, because what it accomplishes depends on the individual. Like beauty, according to the understanding of the beholding mind.

Ma is a nurse. A maternity nurse with thousands of babies. When I was younger and the poor come to baby, I boil the water and listen to their crying and ma making fun of them that they should have thought about it before spreading their legs for the man.
Lesson. Spread legs man, baby in oven!

Now, years later I find this book talking about a virgin giving birth. You can imagine how much fun can be had by an atheist with just that, but buda is curious. Did research. Found it's common for Gods to have virgin or otherwise unusual births. So what could it mean. So I studied Mary, the Virgin Mother of God. Found out she was the learned one, an educated daughter of a priest/scholar of the day who could read and was not defiled by the williness of men hence a Virgin, unlike Eve who was corrupted by Adam's lies! I mean, you do know the Jewish prayer, that goes "I would rather be a Gentile than a woman"? Keep them stupid, keep them ignorant marry loads of them and keep them servile, seemed to be the religious motto of the day.

Well, Mary was a virgin from all that, as in, that nonsense had not defiled her mind. No wonder she was able to teach Jesus to become the Son of God, I figured.

Now, Imagine your wife or daughter or your mother understood what I just wrote above. Imagine the sort of children your mother might rear, how much smarter you might have become, and your children and grandchildren after their mother educates them like Mary educated her Son. Can you see a purpose?



Aside. I was on the bus typing the above and got carried away and missed my stop and two more after. Thankfully the stop I awoke was opposite the off licence. So I went in and bought the below to celebrate your sincerity. May it last.

budaatum:
I always appreciate sincerity. And more so your use of the word "understand". Don't like the "suppose" however, because what it accomplishes depends on the individual. Like beauty, according to the understanding of the beholding mind.

Ma is a nurse. A maternity nurse with thousands of babies. When I was younger and the poor come to baby, I boil the water and listen to their crying and ma making fun of them that they should have thought about it before spreading their legs for the man.
Lesson. Spread legs man, baby in oven!

Now, years later I find this book talking about a virgin giving birth. You can imagine how much fun can be had by an atheist with just that, but buda is curious. Did research. Found it's common for Gods to have virgin or otherwise unusual births. So what could it mean. So I studied Mary, the Virgin Mother of God. Found out she was the learned one, an educated daughter of a priest/scholar of the day who could read and was not defiled by the williness of men hence a Virgin, unlike Eve who was corrupted by Adam's lies! I mean, you do know the Jewish prayer, that goes "I would rather be a Gentile than a woman"? Keep them stupid, keep them ignorant marry loads of them and keep them servile, seemed to be the religious motto of the day.

Well, Mary was a virgin from all that, as in, that nonsense had not defiled her mind. No wonder she was able to teach Jesus to become the Son of God, I figured.

Now, Imagine your wife or daughter or your mother understood what I just wrote above. Imagine the sort of children your mother might rear, how much smarter you might have become, and your children and grandchildren after their mother educates them like Mary educated her Son. Can you see a purpose?



Aside. I was on the bus typing the above and got carried away and missed my stop and two more after. Thankfully the stop I awoke was opposite the off licence. So I went in and bought the below to celebrate your sincerity. May it last.

Hahaha hah...you are just a dummy...sorry to say..

What about Perseus...of the "clash of the titans " story?

He is also a son of God you know...

sonmvayina:
Hahaha hah...you are just a dummy...sorry to say...

Seems your sincerity was very short lived. Glad to see you know what a dummy must sound like though. It makes me confident you will eventually recognise one.

sonmvayina:
What about Perseus...of the "clash of the titans " story?

He is also a son of God you know...

Son of the God Zeus, or Jupiter, according to some. What about him? Do you think he is excluded from my, "Did research. Found it's common for Gods to have virgin or otherwise unusual births"? Or did you just not understand what you read?

Stories of miraculous births often include conceptions by miraculous circumstances and features such as intervention by a deity, supernatural elements, astronomical signs, hardship or, in the case of some mythologies, complex plots related to creation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_births?wprov=sfla1

budaatum:
Seems your sincerity was very short lived. Glad to see you know what a dummy must sound like though. It makes me confident you will eventually recognise one.


Son of the God Zeus, or Jupiter, according to some. What about him? Do you think he is excluded from my, "Did research. Found it's common for Gods to have virgin or otherwise unusual births"? Or did you just not understand what you read?

I tbought i was having a conversation with a smart guy..i guess i tbought wrong..


Thats put both in the realm of mythology...which was prevalent in the greek/ roman religious beliefs. The jews dont have it. Why put it at the end of the jewish one..

The jews worship or reverence just one God. That is responsible for both good and evil..and i full control of everything he created. There is no devil running around and doing whatever he likes .

sonmvayina:
I tbought i was having a conversation with a smart guy..i guess i tbought wrong..

Thats put both in the realm of mythology...which was prevalent in the greek/ roman religious beliefs. The jews dont have it. Why put it at the end of the jewish one..

I think you don't think at all!

Is Adam and Eve not mythology? Is Abraham not mythology? Are not all the tales about God that you read in the Torah not mythology?

sonmvayina:
The jews worship or reverence just one God. That is responsible for both good and evil..and i full control of everything he created. There is no devil running around and doing whatever he likes .

No one has ever said satan was God or that either exists outside mythology, least I haven't to my knowledge, so I really do not get your point. The Torah itself is a collection of stories full of myths from all over the place, so adding to it is not new at all. The idea of satan appears by the the third chapter of Genesis in the Torah and is believed to have been prefixed to the Jewish Historical myth that follows just as the New Testament is a suffix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve?wprov=sfla1

budaatum:
I think you don't think at all!

Is Adam and Eve not mythology? Is Abraham not mythology? Are not all the tales about God that you read in the Torah not mythology?


No one has ever said satan was God or that either exists outside mythology, least I haven't to my knowledge, so I really do not get your point. The Torah itself is a collection of stories full of myths from all over the place, so adding to it is not new at all. The idea of satan appears by the the third chapter of Genesis in the Torah and is believed to have been prefixed to the Jewish Historical myth that follows just as the New Testament is a suffix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve?wprov=sfla1

I said the jews dont have the idea of god mating with human as part of their belief ...it is a roman / greek stuff. Christianity is a roman creation, Not an offshort of judaism..they added it at the end of tbe Tanakh is purely propaganda..