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Liposure:
BLEEDING STEEL Just an entertaining and fun movie. Nothing special

AbdulSleeky:
Keep quiet. It is people like you that allow Trump-style stupid opinions and alternative facts to exist within intellectual discussions.


The people I quoted rated the movie based on the fact that they liked it. No facts, just that they liked it.

Even if I like a movie, I must point out what I like about it and rate it across a criteria- plot, acting performance, cinematography etc

Gmajor:
Wonder Woman ‘84
WARNING: this post is long. Though I will try to highlight some of the main points so that lazy people like me can read it at a glance.

Wonder woman 1984 is a 2020 sequel to the 2017 Wonder Woman that was directed, co-written and co-produced by Patty Jenkins.
The movie was competently shot and the CGI is mostly good, though some scenes in the Amazon Olympics and the Egypt chase sequence didn’t look too good.

I liked Chris Pine in this movie. The whole fish out of water stuff they did with him were well handled and they didn’t take it to a point where it became annoying.

The[b]acting was good IMO[/b] , even though some people say that Gal Gadots acting leaves a lot to be desired.

The fight and action scenes where just there- Not too bad but not to good either. The WW vs Cheetah fight was 70 percent swinging around which I didn’t care much for. I would have preferred more hand to hand combat. As a matter of fact, there is an animated WW vs Cheetah fight I watched sometime ago which was way better than the one in the movie. If I find it on YouTube, I will insert it HERE.

Even though it felt kinda random, I like that WW is able to make things invisible instead of the comic canon where she has an invisible jet. Why the Bleep would the Amazonians who are technologically backwards in every facet of life have a jet plane lying around? Whether knowledge of flying a World War 1 plane can be used to fly a jet plane some 60+ years later is still a matter that is open for debate.

I was enjoying this movie when I started watching it, however, as the movie progressed, I found it to be increasingly silly, and when the movie ended on a very ret@rded note, it ended up soaring some of the things I had liked in the beginning. So, here are some of the issues I have with the movie. Some of them are nit-picks and quite minors, while others are major and quite immersion breaking.

1. Why is this movie set in the 80’s : at the end of this movie, I still couldn’t quite figure out why this movie was set in the 80’s. This time period added nothing to the story except from breaking some of the already established continuity such as the fact that WW refused to offer help to humanity before BVS and also that she could fly. This movie could have been set after BVS or Justice League and it would not have affected the story in any way.
2. The amazon Olympics was pointless: and just served to further pad the run time. The first WW movie started with Diana as a child in Theymiscira so why did they choose to rethread this route again? The whole Olympics didn’t factor into the story in anyway. Initially I thought that the lesson the Amazonian guard thought Diana about not taking short cuts would factor into the plot, but no. the whole movie plays out like that scene never happened. So why was it in the movie?
3. Campy mall fight: the whole mall fight was extremely campy like something you would see in a Spiderman movie. Considering the tone of the first movie, I didn’t expect this level of camp from the sequel.
4. Rapist wonder woman: I think that the whole WW is a rapist argument is bullsh1t. Though the decision to bring Chris Pine back in the body of another man was very questionable. The stone has proven time and time again that it can make anything materialize from nothing, so why couldn’t Chris Pine come back in his own body? And the worst part is that they didn’t even do anything with the whole coming backing in another person’s body shenanigans. It was just a random stupid choice that was made for no reason.
5. Dumb McGuffin: the McGuffin that gets the plot moving in this movie is not properly handled. The dream stone is supposed to be a monkey’s paw rip-off that grants you your wish with a dash of irony like the Midas touch or somethings like that. However, this stone has zero consequences. People use the dream stone, then renounce their wish and then there is no lasting consequence. If you can renounce your wish and go back to the way you were with no consequences, then it makes perfect sense to use the dream stone. Even if I have to pay a price that I don’t like, I would simply take back the wish at my leisure.
6. Villain’s motivation: Max Lord, the villain of the movie is a shady business man who goes on a wish granting spree because he is motivated by greed. However, it makes absolutely no sense that he keeps on granting more and more wishes even though he clearly see that the world is getting destroyed. How enjoyable does he think his wealth and power will be when the whole world is in ruins? And it is never shown that the magical McGuffin is somehow influencing his decisions.
And to make matters worse, the wish granting debacle is taken to a whole new ridiculous level at the third act of the movie. In a shocking lack of introspection or self-awareness, Max Lord decides that he is going to grant to wish of millions at once. This could have gone wrong very fast.
For starters, it is most probable that most people will not believe the whole wish granting stuff and as such, they will be more likely to take it as a joke.
Imagine if someone wished for the whole world to end or that the annoying man who is talking in the TV to drop dead. It’s even extremely likely that thousands of people will wish to be richest or most powerful person that has ever lived, thus, invalidating anything Max Lord himself would have achieved.

7. Villains defeat: I’m someone who enjoys when a villain is defeated in an unconventional way. In most movies, the villain is defeated when the hero punches him several times in the face and I appreciate it when a movie thinks outside the box. For instance, in Dr. Strange, the titular character managed to defeat Dormamu- the villain by bargaining with him. In Aladdin, the villain get tricked into turning himself into a genie. This movie tries to go a similar route and FAILS MISERABLY.
Humans beings are self-centred and will always look out for themselves and their interests first and as such, it will be impossible to get everyone to take back their wish. What the movie should have done is to make it in such a way that when Max Lord renounces his wish, every wish he granted will also be automatically reversed, but instead, they show people from all over the world having a change of heart and renouncing their wishes, which as far as I’m concerned is total bullsh!t.
If your husband/father beats the shi+ out of you every day and you wished that he will love you unconditionally, will you take such a wish back?
If you had a relation that was terminally ill and you wished for instant recovery, will you take such a wish back and then watch then go back to their sick bed?
If you have been poor all your life and then wished to be rich, will you take back such a wish?
I could go on and on and the answer to most of these scenarios will be a CAPITAL NO.

Other things:
• This movie does that bullsh!t that I hate so much where a character wears baggy clothes and glasses and suddenly the whole world hates them. Kristen Wig is hot even when she is nerdy, so I find it very out of place that she is very despised by everyone.
• Barbara’s arc: maybe I’m wrong here, but from what I saw, the only consequence Barbara faced with using the dream stone was the she became aggressive and lost her sh1t personality and no one liked in the first place. She didn’t really give-up anything worthwhile and as such, it does make perfect sense for her to align with the bad guy.
• The[b]golden armour[/b] existed solely for the purpose of appearing in the trailer, it served no purpose to the movie and could have been removed from the final cut with no detriment to the story.
• Why does electricity affect Cheetah but not WW?

Like I mentioned in a previous post, this movie is enjoyable in a turn-off-your-brain kind of way. If you don’t think about what is going on, odds are you’ll enjoy the move. However, the truth still remains that this movie pales in comparison to the prequel in every way possible. It’s still enjoyable but to say the truth the movie is not that good. The DCEU feels incredibly random at this point and it feels like they just throw stuff at the wall and hope that it sticks.
5.5/10

Dotng:
Well, since you have decided to become offended and become a newspaper stand commentator, I will leave you to it. I find it strange when people shout about intelligence but fall apart when they are involved in a discourse.

alexistaiwo:
Every day I will go to my workplace, attend to my customers, deal with business bookkeeping so as not to go make my business bankrupt, pay rent for shop and house, feed myself and dependents coupled with other miscellaneous expenses.




Then I will sit down to unwind by watching movies and you expect me to start writing epistle about "plot, acting performance, cinematography etc"


Shey Ogun ni aye ni?

oyaskii:
A really long read but good constructive criticism points. However let me attempt to address some, i have written them chronologically to match yours.

1) The setting of it been 80's has a chronological importance and i think it was perfect. Remember the first part was set in 1918, it began with Diana seeing a picture in Paris in modern times making her reflect on a past ( going back to when Steven Trevor plane crashed at Themiscyra in 1918). So both WW (2017) and WW#84 are still origin stories somewhat, so they couldn't just jump a whole century to 2000's.

2)The "Themiscyra Amazon Olympics" scene was ok too and been an "origin" movie, it was okay to visit her roots in the first few scenes of the movie and quite frankly it was the best scene shot cinematography wise in the entire movie.

3) The Camp mall fight was outrightly wack there's no way to even look at it. I think Patty Jenkins was riding on the euphoria of the first movie, which if you rewatch, you will discover it's just an okay movie, nothing exceptional.

4) To me, i am still struggling to find the point of Chris Pine in WW84, what purpose did it serve? the movie could quite go on without him without this added drama of "Rapist wonder woman".

5) I think the "Dreamstone" is of the most stupid subplot in a major superhero movie in a very long while. Couldn't get the hang of it. It worked out in the comics doesn't mean it will work in live action, the writing for this was abysmal.

6) I would like to absolve my man Mando from this debacle of the character "Max Lord" . The writing for it's character was shambolic and frankly in essence lead no where great. Patty Jenkins should have left Cheetah as the one and only Villain and it would have turned out fine.

7) Of course when the movie has been a shii show for over 2hrs 30 mins, you should expect a horrible ending and it didn't disappoint.

Who the hell cast Kristen Wiig for villanous and serious role as the Cheetah? This woman is a comedienne and haven't seen her in anything other than that. It was the first thing i was angry about when i first saw the trailer.

The golden armour was literally in all the promotional photos only for it to appear for 5 seconds.

All this been said, i liked the movie for its aesthetics, there was a reason Pattt Jenkins was pushing for a 4K release on HBO max, the shots where truly breathtaking and the score was quality.

They even had the nerve to even add a post credit scene...

2dice01:
Have downloaded the remaining 5 movies I havent watch among the ones you posted

Okay man, more power to you..I'm glad you're enjoying them

Do you watch Nigerian movies

AbdulSleeky:
Calm down.

Some people have time on their hands and some people dont.

I honestly thought that you were an unemployed Yahoo boy that does nothing but scam and gamble bet9ja online.

My apologies

Gmajor:
Wonder Woman ‘84
WARNING: this post is long. Though I will try to highlight some of the main points so that lazy people like me can read it at a glance.

Wonder woman 1984 is a 2020 sequel to the 2017 Wonder Woman that was directed, co-written and co-produced by Patty Jenkins.
The movie was competently shot and the CGI is mostly good, though some scenes in the Amazon Olympics and the Egypt chase sequence didn’t look too good.

I liked Chris Pine in this movie. The whole fish out of water stuff they did with him were well handled and they didn’t take it to a point where it became annoying.

The[b]acting was good IMO[/b] , even though some people say that Gal Gadots acting leaves a lot to be desired.

The fight and action scenes where just there- Not too bad but not to good either. The WW vs Cheetah fight was 70 percent swinging around which I didn’t care much for. I would have preferred more hand to hand combat. As a matter of fact, there is an animated WW vs Cheetah fight I watched sometime ago which was way better than the one in the movie. If I find it on YouTube, I will insert it HERE.

Even though it felt kinda random, I like that WW is able to make things invisible instead of the comic canon where she has an invisible jet. Why the Bleep would the Amazonians who are technologically backwards in every facet of life have a jet plane lying around? Whether knowledge of flying a World War 1 plane can be used to fly a jet plane some 60+ years later is still a matter that is open for debate.

I was enjoying this movie when I started watching it, however, as the movie progressed, I found it to be increasingly silly, and when the movie ended on a very ret@rded note, it ended up soaring some of the things I had liked in the beginning. So, here are some of the issues I have with the movie. Some of them are nit-picks and quite minors, while others are major and quite immersion breaking.

1. Why is this movie set in the 80’s : at the end of this movie, I still couldn’t quite figure out why this movie was set in the 80’s. This time period added nothing to the story except from breaking some of the already established continuity such as the fact that WW refused to offer help to humanity before BVS and also that she could fly. This movie could have been set after BVS or Justice League and it would not have affected the story in any way.
2. The amazon Olympics was pointless: and just served to further pad the run time. The first WW movie started with Diana as a child in Theymiscira so why did they choose to rethread this route again? The whole Olympics didn’t factor into the story in anyway. Initially I thought that the lesson the Amazonian guard thought Diana about not taking short cuts would factor into the plot, but no. the whole movie plays out like that scene never happened. So why was it in the movie?
3. Campy mall fight: the whole mall fight was extremely campy like something you would see in a Spiderman movie. Considering the tone of the first movie, I didn’t expect this level of camp from the sequel.
4. Rapist wonder woman: I think that the whole WW is a rapist argument is bullsh1t. Though the decision to bring Chris Pine back in the body of another man was very questionable. The stone has proven time and time again that it can make anything materialize from nothing, so why couldn’t Chris Pine come back in his own body? And the worst part is that they didn’t even do anything with the whole coming backing in another person’s body shenanigans. It was just a random stupid choice that was made for no reason.
5. Dumb McGuffin: the McGuffin that gets the plot moving in this movie is not properly handled. The dream stone is supposed to be a monkey’s paw rip-off that grants you your wish with a dash of irony like the Midas touch or somethings like that. However, this stone has zero consequences. People use the dream stone, then renounce their wish and then there is no lasting consequence. If you can renounce your wish and go back to the way you were with no consequences, then it makes perfect sense to use the dream stone. Even if I have to pay a price that I don’t like, I would simply take back the wish at my leisure.
6. Villain’s motivation: Max Lord, the villain of the movie is a shady business man who goes on a wish granting spree because he is motivated by greed. However, it makes absolutely no sense that he keeps on granting more and more wishes even though he clearly see that the world is getting destroyed. How enjoyable does he think his wealth and power will be when the whole world is in ruins? And it is never shown that the magical McGuffin is somehow influencing his decisions.
And to make matters worse, the wish granting debacle is taken to a whole new ridiculous level at the third act of the movie. In a shocking lack of introspection or self-awareness, Max Lord decides that he is going to grant to wish of millions at once. This could have gone wrong very fast.
For starters, it is most probable that most people will not believe the whole wish granting stuff and as such, they will be more likely to take it as a joke.
Imagine if someone wished for the whole world to end or that the annoying man who is talking in the TV to drop dead. It’s even extremely likely that thousands of people will wish to be richest or most powerful person that has ever lived, thus, invalidating anything Max Lord himself would have achieved.

7. Villains defeat: I’m someone who enjoys when a villain is defeated in an unconventional way. In most movies, the villain is defeated when the hero punches him several times in the face and I appreciate it when a movie thinks outside the box. For instance, in Dr. Strange, the titular character managed to defeat Dormamu- the villain by bargaining with him. In Aladdin, the villain get tricked into turning himself into a genie. This movie tries to go a similar route and FAILS MISERABLY.
Humans beings are self-centred and will always look out for themselves and their interests first and as such, it will be impossible to get everyone to take back their wish. What the movie should have done is to make it in such a way that when Max Lord renounces his wish, every wish he granted will also be automatically reversed, but instead, they show people from all over the world having a change of heart and renouncing their wishes, which as far as I’m concerned is total bullsh!t.
If your husband/father beats the shi+ out of you every day and you wished that he will love you unconditionally, will you take such a wish back?
If you had a relation that was terminally ill and you wished for instant recovery, will you take such a wish back and then watch then go back to their sick bed?
If you have been poor all your life and then wished to be rich, will you take back such a wish?
I could go on and on and the answer to most of these scenarios will be a CAPITAL NO.

Other things:
• This movie does that bullsh!t that I hate so much where a character wears baggy clothes and glasses and suddenly the whole world hates them. Kristen Wig is hot even when she is nerdy, so I find it very out of place that she is very despised by everyone.
• Barbara’s arc: maybe I’m wrong here, but from what I saw, the only consequence Barbara faced with using the dream stone was the she became aggressive and lost her sh1t personality and no one liked in the first place. She didn’t really give-up anything worthwhile and as such, it does make perfect sense for her to align with the bad guy.
• The[b]golden armour[/b] existed solely for the purpose of appearing in the trailer, it served no purpose to the movie and could have been removed from the final cut with no detriment to the story.
• Why does electricity affect Cheetah but not WW?

Like I mentioned in a previous post, this movie is enjoyable in a turn-off-your-brain kind of way. If you don’t think about what is going on, odds are you’ll enjoy the move. However, the truth still remains that this movie pales in comparison to the prequel in every way possible. It’s still enjoyable but to say the truth the movie is not that good. The DCEU feels incredibly random at this point and it feels like they just throw stuff at the wall and hope that it sticks.
5.5/10

AbdulSleeky:
Pu7pl3, abduleez1 and alexistaiwo,


Please take a look at Gmajor's and kehinde2017's reviews.

Their reviews show thought and analysis of facts.

pu7pl3:
if I had the strength or if I was getting paid I'd have gone through all the points and disproved them...all of those points are just nitpicks

pu7pl3:
I just have one question...did you also put this much thought into finding loopholes in movies like Endgame and age of Ultron? Or is it just cos it's a DCEU movie?

AbdulSleeky:
Calm down.

Some people have time on their hands and some people dont.

I honestly thought that you were an unemployed Yahoo boy that does nothing but scam and gamble bet9ja online.

My apologies

alexistaiwo:
Idiotic assumption in guise of opinion is like a butthole which explains why every Tom, Dick, Harry and nicopomp has one.



Apology accepted

AbdulSleeky:
No be only "nicopomp" na vanderpump.

"Nincompoop" is the correct spelling.

alexistaiwo:
And you think I didn't chose to type the correct spelling so that I won't get banned

AbdulSleeky:
So, everyone that disliked the movie or gave it a rating of 6/10 or low is NITPICKING?

Please, I need your address. I just need to come and give you a sound beating. Then force you to log in to nairaland and force you to admit that Wonderwoman 1984 is a let-down, on this thread

AbdulSleeky:
LIES.
Who are you trying to deceive?

pu7pl3:
No 13 Chinagorom street oyigbo rivers state

AbdulSleeky:
Bros, I no play again!

I was just making mouth oo! I'm a skinny geek. Just ask Ishitlove

AbdulSleeky:
Bros, I no play again!

I was just making mouth oo! I'm a skinny geek. Just ask Ishitlove

alexistaiwo:
No be only Ishitlove, na Weshitlove



"Ishilove" is the correct spelling.



Werey dey disguise

AbdulSleeky:
Bros, I no play again!

I was just making mouth oo! I'm a skinny geek. Just ask Ishitlove

I Shit Love

pu7pl3:
if I had the strength or if I was getting paid I'd have gone through all the points and disproved them...all of those points are just nitpicks

Hargbo:
who has seen Demon Slayer the Movie: Mugen Train (2020)?

I dey find download link

AbdulSleeky:
Bros, I no play again!

I was just making mouth oo! I'm a skinny geek. Just ask Ishitlove

pu7pl3:
I Shit Love

alexistaiwo:
No be only Ishitlove, na Weshitlove



"Ishilove" is the correct spelling.



Werey dey disguise

pu7pl3:
I just have one question...did you also put this much thought into finding loopholes in movies like Endgame and age of Ultron? Or is it just cos it's a DCEU movie?

alexistaiwo:
Not even palmy sir.

abduleez1:
Same here,.... No strength for too much shout shout and breaking it down for non CEOs.

Funny thing guy go commit sacrilege say Amazons are technologically backwards....I just dey laff.
On top guy still dey expect Lightening/Electricity to affect WW.
Person na Zeus pikin and you dey expect that shite.
Super Powers and almost Supes level of strength and Durability.
E just remind me of the same funny statement from him Sleeky compatriot last December when Trailer come out..... Guy they make noise bout the Lightening stuff, I show am comic strip where Wonder Woman conjure up lightening from nowhere to strike Ares(God of War) and this guy despite that still flat out ignore am continuing spewing his trash.


KAI.....to dey follow these gees ague sef na stress cos most no know the Lore...just critique for logical or noisemaking sake– forgetting na Comic Book them dey watch.

Exactly...I'm saving my strength for my NXT Reviews on the wrestling thread

That Amazon part also got a giggle out of me they dunno warris goinuh...but I also fancied the new power of being able to turn things invisible, Pattinson would love it too if you know what I mean