Kobojunkie:
I don't believe in scripture?.. I instead believe in the word of God(the very words out of God's mouth) that is recorded in Scripture.

Let me try this....Scripture contains the words of men, opinions of men, and also the word of God. Now of all of that, the only Truth stored in scripture is the word of God(words spoken by God Himself) for only God's word can be verified...the men whose words and opinions are also written of in scripture are long dead and unable to verify the claims made of them.

The word of God stored in scriptures was recorded by man. So since you are so suspicious of man, there is a high probability that they have manipulated the word of God.
Since the word of God came to you though man (the bible) you can't accept it. It must have been corrupted.
It I were a dishonest person, would you be willing to believe my testimony about another person?
If Matthew for example can't be believed, then you can't believe anything he wrote about Jesus in the book of Matthew, he probably was lying.
You can't escape it, your believes remain grounded in the testimony and writings of men.
You can't doubt men only when you please
Its a take all or loss all package

Kobojunkie:
I [s]don't believe in scripture?.. I instead believe in the word of God(the very words out of God's mouth) that is recorded in Scripture.

Let me try this....Scripture contains the words of men, opinions of men, and also the word of God. Now of all of that, the only Truth stored in scripture is the word of God(words spoken by God Himself) for only God's word can be verified...the men whose words and opinions are also written of in scripture are long dead and unable to verify the claims made of them.[/s]

Will.you Sharap there and stop spewing rvbbish

divinecode101:


Will.you Sharap there and stop spewing rvbbish

Oga it's his beliefs. He is entitled to them. Not everyone must believe everything.
I think he is wrong and hopefully he would one day see the error in his ways

Tcwork:

The word of God stored in scriptures was recorded by man. So since you are so suspicious of man, there is a high probability that they have manipulated the word of God.
Since the word of God came to you though man (the bible) you can't accept it. It must have been corrupted.
It I were a dishonest person, would you be willing to believe my testimony about another person?
If Matthew for example can't be believed, then you can't believe anything he wrote about Jesus in the book of Matthew, he probably was lying.
You can't escape it, your believes remain grounded in the testimony and writings of men.
You can't doubt men only when you please
Its a take all or loss all package

I remember that I already told you before now that I am not suspicious of man.

Kobojunkie:
But I don't know of any dubious men in these...all I know is that - God is True and man a liar.

Now realize tha God Himself responds when you approach Him according to His truth. This is no religion like many have out there.. No indeed, God Himself shows up when you obey His very word as instructed.

God is True...His word is Truth. Every other is a lie.

Did you know that in both the old and new Covenants, there exists statutes that stipulate that there needs to be an account from 2 of 3 witnesses to corroborate the words/claims of men? Of course, it does no establish the claim as Truth but simply allows it to become admissible in God's court. That statute however did not apply at all to the messages of God as delivered to the people through in the Old Testament, and it certainly did not apply to Jesus Christ or the Spirit of God. Just something to know is all...

Kobojunkie:
I remember that I already told you before now that I am not suspicious of man. God is True...His word is Truth. Every other is a lie.

Did you know that in both the old and new Covenants, there exists statutes that stipulate that there needs to be an account from 2 of 3 witnesses to corroborate the words/claims of men? Of course, it does no establish the claim as Truth but simply allows it to become admissible in God's court. That statute however did not apply at all to the messages of God as delivered to the people through in the Old Testament, and it certainly did not apply to Jesus Christ or the Spirit of God. Just something to know is all...

You are taking from both sides of your cheek. You are not suspicious of man but every other word is a lie? Your message is conflicting.
Jesus Christ did not write the bible.
It's called the book of Matthew or Mark, Luke or John for a reason. These books where 3riten by men.
Please be honest with yourself.. do you believe the scriptures or not? Because everyone word in the scrpitures were written by men. Even the words spoken by Christ.
You where not there when the were written. How can you tell the writer was not writing his own words. Remember men are liars accoring to you

Tcwork:

You are taking from both sides of your cheek. You are not suspicious of man but every other word is a lie? Your message is conflicting.
Jesus Christ did not write the bible.
It's called the book of Matthew or Mark, Luke or John for a reason. These books where 3riten by men.

I know it is hard to wrap one's mind around these things...but if you continue to question it all, I think you are headed in the right direction as far as finding God Himself throughgh all of muck.

Another interesting thing to note, God said,"cursed is any man who puts his trust in another man....". Basically anyone who trusts in the words of men is cursed.. But those who put there trust(obviously 100% of it in God alone), is not cursed at all.

Kobojunkie:
I know it is hard to wrap one's mind around these things...but if you continue to question it all, I think you are headed in the right direction as far as finding God Himself throughgh all of muck.

Another interesting thing to note, God said,"cursed is any man who puts his trust in another man....". Basically anyone who trusts in the words of men is cursed.. But those who put there trust(obviously 100% of it in God alone), is not cursed at all.

Don't you get it, even the mighty you is putting his trust in man. You trust Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You believe they were actually quoting Christ. You are no different from the rest of us only that the rest of us are honest with our beliefs.

Did you know that Jesus Christ often quoted from old testament prophets.he read their words. Sir I guess you are above Jesus Christ

Tcwork:

Don't you get it, even the mighty you is putting his trust in man. You trust Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You believe they were actually quoting Christ. You are no different from the rest of us only that the rest of us are honest with our beliefs.

I see that you are still having a hard time wrapping your mind around this one. Just keep pondering these thing..it will eventually begin to form in your mind.

Did you know that in the Old Testament, God announced that no longer will a man have to teach His neighbour about God...instead, He God will teach His people about Himself and He will write His commandment on their hearts. Then when Jesus Christ arrived, He affirmed this by stating unequivocally that He and He alone is the only Teacher to all those who follow Him..warning His followers never to set themselves up as Teachers, Masters or Authorities over any of His sheep. And when Jesus Christ was ready to leave the world, He handed the baton over to the Spirit of God saying He, the Spirit of Truth( that lived in Him) would continue His work and in His stead, still as the one and only in the lives of those who belong to Him, Jesus Christ. Something to think about.

Kobojunkie:
I see that you are still having a hard time wrapping your mind around this one. Just keep pondering these thing..it will eventually begin to form in your mind.

Did you know that in the Old Testament, God announced that no longer will a man have to teach His neighbour about God...instead, He God will teach His people about Himself and He will write His commandment on their hearts. Then when Jesus Christ arrived, He affirmed this by stating unequivocally that He and He alone is the only Teacher to all those who follow Him..warning His followers never to set themselves up as Teachers, Masters or Authorities over any of His sheep. And when Jesus Christ was ready to leave the world, He handed the baton over to the Spirit of God saying He, the Spirit of Truth( that lived in Him) would continue His work and in His stead, still as the one and only in the lives of those who belong to Him, Jesus Christ. Something to think about.

Come out openly and explain yourself. I don't think any one is understandin you. Or are you just trying to be controversial.
Again you quote what a (liar) wrote about Jesus?
Remember, men are liars u cant trust what they say about Jesus

Tcwork:

Come out openly and explain yourself. I don't think any one is understandin you. Or are you just trying to be controversial.
Again you quote what a (liar) wrote about Jesus?
Remember, men are liars u cant trust what they say about Jesus

I already explained myself several times on this to you and told you not worry about it. It took me time to properly process a lot of these myself and it wasn't until I disconnected from it all that God Himself showed up.

Kobojunkie:
I already explained myself several times on this to you and told you not worry about it. It took me time to properly process a lot of these myself and it wasn't until I disconnected from it all that God Himself showed up.

Oga I think you are confused. You need to sort out your beliefs. You cant even properly explain what you believe

Tcwork:

Oga I think you are confused. You need to sort out your beliefs. You cant even properly explain what you believe

I am definitely not the one who is confused here since I have maintained the same throughout even this conversation of ours.
Like I said, don't worry if you are unable to wrap your mind around what I have been saying so far...I am reminded of what Jesus Christ said. He said He came that those who are blind may see. In this particular instance, Jesus Christ was not referring to those who were literally blind but those who knew that what they had had were lies and hungered instead for the truth to be revealed to them. An interesting conversation ensued between Jesus Christ and the Pharisees even then, to which Jesus revealed that only those who know they are blind will see... Those who are comfortable with their lies, in that example, the Pharisees, believe they already see and so remain blind. ... Just something to think of.

Kobojunkie:
I am definitely not the one who is confused here since I have maintained the same throughout even this conversation of ours.
Like I said, don't worry if you are unable to wrap your mind around what I have been saying so far...I am reminded of what Jesus Christ said. He said He came that those who are blind may see. In this particular instance, Jesus Christ was not referring to those who were literally blind but those who knew that what they had had were lies and hungered instead for the truth to be revealed to them. An interesting conversation ensued between Jesus Christ and the Pharisees even then, to which Jesus revealed that only those who know they are blind will see... Those who are comfortable with their lies, in that example, the Pharisees, believe they already see and so remain blind. ... Just something to think of.

You can't be reminded of what John wrote Christ said..you don't belive John remember. Maybe he miss quoted Christ.

Tcwork:

You can't be reminded of what John wrote Christ said..you don't belive John remember. Maybe he miss quoted Christ.

I don't even know if John wrote those words as some of us like to beli
Yes, those words first recorded in the minds of men, eventually penned by men, and transliterated several times over last 2 milennia in the language of men, to be read, processed and comprehended by human minds - it is clear that there is no step that man was not involved in. But still we know that God still rules over the hearts of all men, and His Will is accomplished even in a world ruled by evil men. Something to ponder!

Kobojunkie:
I don't even know if John wrote those words as some of us like to beli
Yes, those words first recorded in the minds of men, eventually penned by men, and transliterated several times over last 2 milennia in the language of men, to be read, processed and comprehended by human minds - it is clear that there is no step that man was not involved in. But still we know that God still rules over the hearts of all men, and His Will is accomplished even in a world ruled by evil men. Something to ponder!

I told you, you get confused... so when I came to the gospel of John God ruled but the books of Peter that does not apply.
How do you know that God influenced the gospel of jonh. How can you tell it's any different from the rest. Or u just believe what you want to believe. Oga you have a long way to go explaining yourself. I am sure most people you discuss your spiritual believes find you confusing. I have tried all night to understand you but honestly I am not sure you understand yourself. Goodluck with your interesting way of seeing life. It seems you want to launch a new religion but first you should be able to explain it

Tcwork:

I told you, you get confused... so when I came to the gospel of John God ruled but the books of Peter that does not apply.
How do you know that God influenced the gospel of jonh. How can you tell it's any different from the rest. Or u just believe what you want to believe. Oga you have a long way to go explaining yourself. I am sure most people you discuss your spiritual believes find you confusing. I have tried all night to understand you but honestly I am not sure you understand yourself. Goodluck with your interesting way of seeing life. It seems you want to launch a new religion but first you should be able to explain it

Haven't you been paying attention? It does not matter who wrote the words of translated them from one form of human understanding to the next.. What matters is who's spoke those words...who those words belong to.... Man's or God's very own words.

Kobojunkie:
I don't even know if John wrote those words as some of us like to believe.

Yes, those words first recorded in the minds of men, eventually penned by men, and transliterated several times over last 2 milennia in the language of men, to be read, processed and comprehended by human minds - it is clear that there is no step that man was not involved in. But still we know that God still rules over the hearts of all men, and His Will is accomplished even in a world ruled by evil men. Something to ponder!

We like to hear things like "there is power in the Word of God"...but have you ever truly wondered what that power really means, or what it means for the word of God to have power in it, as opposed to the words of men?

Tcwork:

Your point is, Jesus Christ asking a man to watch his eyes became wrong after the ressurection?
Or that because Paul and Peter did not do it, it is wrong what really is your piont.
Are we following the examples of Paul and Peter or Christ examples
When Jesus was on earth he was not about living the Jewish life. He was about living the perfect example for us to follow.
He went about doing his father's will not doing the Jewish custom.
Please let us not second guess Christ's earthly life. He did not come to live like a jew but to be the son of God

dude go and read/study Romans13
Christ upheld all the laws in His time.
that's the only reason He was even qualified to dead for us.
you don't break an established law of a community because you want to preach the gospel. your preaching will only end in tears.

ichuka:

dude go and read/study Romans13
Christ upheld all the laws in His time.
that's the only reason He was even qualified to dead for us.
you don't break an established law of a community because you want to preach the gospel. your preaching will only end in tears.

Romans again, do you believe in Romans? I told you, you are confused. You are not such of your believes

Tcwork:

Romans again, do you believe in Romans? I told you, you are confused. You are not such of your believes

dude I doubt u are ok

ichuka:

dude I doubt u are ok

You are now a doctor?

@Tcwork, God bless you for your good insight on God's word.

@Kobojunkie, God bless you for your discourse on the subject, but I want you to note this bible verse:

"All scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness " - 2Tim3:16

God bless you all

teejet:
@Tcwork, God bless you for your good insight on God's word.

@Kobojunkie, God bless you for your discourse on the subject, but I want you to note this bible verse:

"All scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness " - 2Tim3:16

God bless you all

Let me repeat for you what I recently stated elsewhere on another thread. I don't believe the Bible, or even Scripture, is inerrant as many of you like to tell yourselves. It is obvious, even to a kid there are some contradictory claims made in that book and rather than choose denial(sin in this case) , I follow instead God's commandment for the resolving of such issues.

I don't do/believe in the doctrines and traditions of men since they are against the commandment of God. Jesus Christ warned that they are nothing but lies that heap curses on those that imbibe and follow them, so don't expect me to accept your doctrines which have no basis in scripture .i.e. are supported by what amounts to mere views/opinions of men, and not Truth.

I made this quite clear on another thread, didnt I? I was clear that I do not believe your Bible to be the "inerrant word of God but instead that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, whereas your Bible is a book, like any other book, only it contains the written down Word of God, along with the views of men(including those of evil men and Satan's as well) . On the issue of "inspiration" , all knowledge belongs to God and God alone...every knowledge that we can breathe or come up with - good and evil - it all belongs to Him, and is hence inspired by Him. Meaning every knowledge, including the one contained in your Bible , is inspired by God.

Where God is concerned, I put my trust in Truth as declared by God. So, if a view expressed by your man or anyone does not pass muster(God's test), it simply means it belongs where the other views of men belong, but not on the shelf with Truth.