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Even if they could prosecute them, they won't because na dem dem.

They ain't brilliant

The whistleblower system is the only way these sort of thing can work. It should be extended to lifestyle issues of public servants set against the facts of their remunerations, simple. That is what happens in much of Asia. They just track your expenses and tally it with your income and taxes. You explain the difference.

But once again, to get this sort of framework operational you need strong legislation. To get legislation you need the right people in power and the strong activism to keep them focused. To do all that you need a citizenry that recognises they are in a pit but can get out of it.

Unfortunately that is where the whole thing breaks down. The citizens will either irresponsibly pass the whole thing over to God and then bow down to idolise their problems in human form, tieing up both the hands of God and man to act.

adenigga:
https://m.punchng.com/News/Why-we-cant-prosecute-judges-lawyers-involved-in-N9.4bn-bribe-ICPC

lol how can u gather corruption data and in the same breathe say u can’t prosecute all of u are just belligerents, unpatriotic and clever by half self righteous corrupt inglorious bastards!!!

How do get here. God help Nigeria

blackpanda:
U think prosecuting people is easy? U have no clue

U are talking about people who earn less than 150k a month that are mandated to prosecute individuals who looted billions of naira. It's from that ur 150k u will transport yourself to court, produce and file your processes, pay the investigating police officer to come and testify (cos if u don't give ipo t-fare he won't come to court and ur case will be thrown out) and sometimes even the police will bungle your case by either compromising or shoddy investigation. U face hardened criminals or highly connected politicians with zero security or financial stability and yet the public sit in the comfort of their homes pointing fingers and expecting you to do magic. Sometimes u convict a hardened criminal at trial court only for the case to be overturned on appeal. Guess who the criminal will go and attack?


So let's be less judgmental and face reality. Govt is just wasting it's time saying it's fighting corruption when the people who are supposed to fight are hungry and uncatered for.

Come of it! Are you saying an ICPC officer will be running the prosecution protocols with his/her own salary? Is the ICPC not being funded by the government? Dem no get budget allocation?

DuBLINGreenb:
Ok oh

Icpc has just confirmed how useless they are

A criminal can't go after a fellow criminal.

This group r indeed fighting corruption.

Is this the One-Nigeria you fooolish foools want me to be a part of?

God punish all of you!

blackpanda:
U think prosecuting people is easy? U have no clue

U are talking about people who earn less than 150k a month that are mandated to prosecute individuals who looted billions of naira. It's from that ur 150k u will transport yourself to court, produce and file your processes, pay the investigating police officer to come and testify (cos if u don't give ipo t-fare he won't come to court and ur case will be thrown out) and sometimes even the police will bungle your case by either compromising or shoddy investigation. U face hardened criminals or highly connected politicians with zero security or financial stability and yet the public sit in the comfort of their homes pointing fingers and expecting you to do magic. Sometimes u convict a hardened criminal at trial court only for the case to be overturned on appeal. Guess who the criminal will go and attack?


So let's be less judgmental and face reality. Govt is just wasting it's time saying it's fighting corruption when the people who are supposed to fight are hungry and uncatered for.

you criticise the ipo for not coming to court without t.fare but excuse yourself for the same reason. You receive 150k monthly but you are giving excuse while criticising the ipo who receives 45-50k. Just imagine

Can't prosecute corrupt lawyers

Can't prosecute corrupt judge's

Can't prosecute corrupt politicians

Can't prosecute corrupt civil servants

Can't prosecute corrupt police

Can't prosecute corrupt military

So who can be prosecuted in naija ?

Common honest hard working citizens who are victims of corrupt lawyers judges civil servants politicians police

6digitscomrade:
lol how can u gather corruption data and in the same breathe say u can’t prosecute all of u are just belligerents, unpatriotic and clever by half self righteous corrupt inglorious bastards!!!

Intelligent observation by you sir

I think they are part of the same corrupt system .

They are just making some useless noise for now to ally public attention but in reality they are hand in glove with corruption themselves.

I get the bit that it's for research. But what's the research for?
When u get a que like this. U are suppose to start investigating links, gathering evidence (hard evidence) on the peeps the allegations are been pointed at.
Although, both giving of bribe and accepting of bribe are the same. The judges involved in accepting of such bribes weda anonymous or not, once pointed at, must be investigated silently. Till the evidence are solid enough to nail him.

We all know that Nigeria's Intelligence gathering system is shallow, reason why most of us doubt if the survey was really done or results were just concocted For analysis.
But following leads and not using anonymous statements in Court is something they should be able to do with ease. There most be a money trail to follow, to tie these miscreants that sell court judgement to the highest bidder.

Lastly Icpc should be ashamed of that report getting into public domain, because it would have been best if it was an internal report for internal consumption to be shared with only sister agencies with vested interests in stopping the "buy judgement syndicate" either by Pursuing New leads or following up on those allegations, to get evidence that can be used in court.
Employ us Dem no go gree

Claudiusdeux:
I'm sure that most people won't read this bit



It's the anonymous bit that is the main reason why ICPC can't move on the case.

Most research is done based on annonimity of the respondents. So, if ICPC wanted to investigate...all they have are statements on paper made by anonymous sources. Hardly the kind of evidence you can take to a judge.

Also, there is the fact that the comments were made in the context of a research work, not a formal investigation.

An example from abroad.In the early 197-0's a woman was murdered in Northern Ireland by a group of IRA terrorists on suspicion of working for the British government as a spy. Some thrity years later, a researcher who was researching the period had an audio confession made by someone involved in the murder. So, was it used to prosecute....no. There was the fact that all terrorists involved had gotten an amnesty a few years earlier...and then there was the fact that the comment was made in the context of a research work, with the promise that it would not be used to incriminate him.

So, unless someone decides to break ranks and go to the ICPC to report about the corruption, with evidence, there is nothing ICPC can do , unless we are thinking they should arrest and torture some lawyers into making confessions...which won't be admissible in court anyway.

DuBLINGreenb:
Ok oh
Icpc has just confirmed how useless they are

Yes oo

Since they can't persecute judges who are involved in billions of naira scam .
Which means any citizens that stole such amount of cash should also go free na.

ICPC should be scrapped out

Don't they have bank accounts?How was the former justice onoughen account traced?
Besides, icpc can trace their assets and use their salaries to assess the worth of those properties.Though all of them don't register their properties with their own names.

2010goingon:
Intelligent observation by you sir

I think they are part of the same corrupt system .

They are just making some useless noise for now to ally public attention but in reality they are hand in glove with corruption themselves.

my dear it’s appalling to read diz shit on the dailies more like a torture right in ur own home..

Ryan03:
you criticise the ipo for not coming to court without t.fare but excuse yourself for the same reason. You receive 150k monthly but you are giving excuse while criticising the ipo who receives 45-50k. Just imagine

Smh. I believe u can read before blabbing. This post is not about ipo but the prosecutor. I wholly agree that police pay is trash, but that's not the focus here. The focus here is why prosecutor are largely unable to properly discharge their duties and achieve maximum results

Grandmeister:
Come of it! Are you saying an ICPC officer will be running the prosecution protocols with his/her own salary? Is the ICPC not being funded by the government? Dem no get budget allocation?

Yes that is what I am saying. Not only ICPC. The entire justice system including police, private prosecutors, state counsels etc are under-paid, understaffed and over worked. If u are not, or don't want to be tempted by corruption, then prosection job is not for u.

SEGLIZ:
you can say that again. this ones we have in Nigeria are worse for it. they take pride in prosecuting and sentencing those that stole banana, oranges, one legged fowl etc but make friends with those who's robe stinks, drench and drip of blood and corruption.
bunch of charge and bail practitioner, judges lacking in discretion, very stereotyped bench of illegal gloominary, other shed light on cases they compound it.
a judge reserves the right to lunch an independent investigation into a pending case before him or her but ours ain't professional to that standard. they are so backward than even our outdated laws.

ON THE PART OF ICPC:
ICPC can build a case from here, the research has given the insight into what is obtainable. when the presidency pulled the plug off the judisharing back then we wail against him, here we are today.
the icpc should go ahead building cases from their research, investigate individual that might have been indicted during the research. they know how to obtain evidence if they want to (they were trained and paid for this).

Investigate without any concrete evidence?? u need a well articulated evidence to nail criminal in court of law bro.Take ur time to read the article well and understand the content.

can you BELIEVE what these ICPC PEOPLE are saying PUBLICLY?
THEY HAVE NO faith IN THEIR ABILITIES.

anigbajumo:
Investigate without any concrete evidence?? u need a well articulated evidence to nail criminal in court of law bro.Take ur time to read the article well and understand the content.

read my post well, investigation would bring you or lead you on the part of fact gathering hence collating your evidence. evidence are not picked up on the street like a used satchel of water.
enough to work with there research if the want to. I'm not here saying they proceed to prosecute with their paper work but build their investigation from there. they are not paid for research work but investigate, prosecute and execute judgement.
the ability to execute judgement make the icpc more powerful that efcc. icpc is more of a constitutional tribunal any form of corrupt practices. try understand me, I'm not saying they should prosecute and execute judgement with evidence but they can build cases that would lead us and yield results.
the Europeans and the western world can take years to build a cases just to have concrete evidence against criminal elements in the society, why can't we do same?

ICPC,,u showed us your incompetency