Dedetwo:


In US, it is still and resolutely remains one man one vote. I guess many people do not understand the actual denotation of electoral college.

I beg save me the crap. I have been voting in the US general election since 1992 and it's not one man one vote. This is why you have so many people even in high political posts calling for the abolition of the electoral college.

One man one vote means that whoever gets the highest vote in any election wins, you can have the highest votes in the US and still lose.
United states of America is the only country in the world where you can lose the popular vote and still be declared a winner. It's oxymoronic and archaic that might have served a purpose 200 years ago but it's outdated and unnecessary now.
The Republicans are against abolishing the electoral college because without it, it will take.them another generation before they can win a national election.

Tolexander:
Says who?

You probably said this from your figment of imagination.

Electoral college is a representation fraction of the population and the larger states still have says.

Connecticut compromise was adopted to give the smaller states the chance in decision making so as not to be dominated by the larger states.

What you don’t know, don’t say sir

You are arguing blindly and do not even appear to comprehend what you are disputing

the only thing correct about what he said was the media a was behind the division

UncommonLogic:


I beg save me the crap. I have been voting in the US general election since 1992 and it's not one man one vote. This is why you have so many people even in high political posts calling for the abolition of the electoral college.

One man one vote means that whoever gets the highest vote in any election wins, you can have the highest votes in the US and still lose.
United states of America is the only country in the world where you can lose the popular vote and still be declared a winner. It's oxymoronic and archaic that might have served a purpose 200 years ago but it's outdated and unnecessary now.
The Republicans are against abolishing the electoral college because without it, it will take.them another generation before they can win a national election.

You are right it is not one man one vote. But who says one man one vote is the best system


I think one man one vote is best ONLY a a homogeneous society like Japan. In a federation these sorts of arrangements serve to protect minority rights and other peripheral interests

Electoral College represents the historical Compromises of Union and should not be dismissed.
The fact is the USA is a Union and that Union hasa a history that should not be discounted

True

aribisala0:


You are right it is not one man one vote. But who says one man one vote is the best system


I think one man one vote is best ONLY a a homogeneous society like Japan. In a federation these sorts of arrangements serve to protect minority rights and other peripheral interests

Electoral College represents the historical Compromises of Union and should not be dismissed.
The fact is the USA is a Union and that Union hasa a history that should not be discounted

Going by your logic, other nations too can claim that democracy is not the best form of government for their own unique society. But the US will be the first trying to tear them down for not trying democracy.
I guess others can also say
"Who says democracy is the best form of government "

May be the he electoral college was necessary when it was initiated but it's archaic now and outdated.

UncommonLogic:


Going by your logic, other nations too can claim that democracy is not the best form of government for their own unique society. But the US will be the first trying to tear them down for not trying democracy.
I guess others can also say
"Who says democracy is the best form of government "

May be the he electoral college was necessary when it was initiated but it's archaic now and outdated.

You speak from the wealth of your knowledge. You cannot say what you do not not know.

The starting point is to define "democracy" .


No where is there the expectation that democracy is one man one vote .

Going by your logic

America has never been democratic
Women only started voting in America and the UK very recently .Ditto for black people




All over the world there is no perfect democracy
Educate yourself better
In the UK there is an unending debate about gerrymandering, Read!!

Take Nigeria for example
If Nigeria were to be "democratic" we would probably become an Islamic country


You are a superficial thinker if you believe there is a pure democracy anywhere


Wherever you have a federation of conflicting tendencies there would be compromises


A vertebrate is an animal with spinal cord in a bony case but there are many kinds

Chickens
snakes
frogs
elephants
sardines

Jus like Apc pointing accusing fingers on Pdp and pdp doing same...

pansophist:
When a country like Russia begins to hold the US to standards in regards to democracy, then you know that there is a problem.

valentineuwakwe:

https://punchng.com/us-electoral-system-does-not-meet-democratic-standards-russia/

See relegation

Mmm... the statement is right sha. The U.S. electoral system is too cumbersome. They must rejig it and make it more straight forward. It's just an election not a do or die affair. Also the system gives the media too much power to manipulate people's political opinion thereby manipulating election outcome .

pansophist:
When a country like Russia begins to hold the US to standards in regards to democracy, then you know that there is a problem.

Country like Russia?

Probably everything you know about Russia is what America and its agents tell you

What kind of country is America?


America is hell on earth for black people
America is the kind of country where white policemen use black people for shooting practice.

This protest we are talking about from yesterday. Can black people try it an live rto tell the tale?

America is the kind of country that sterilized black women

educate yourself

America was built on slave trade,

The largest population of black prisoners is in America

Wake up

How are the mighty falling.

With trump out and Biden in, America is doomed.

Now, Russia and China will battle for their number position.

Biden and his goons will sell out to China what makes America America.

The stage will be set for the antichrist.

All of those that plotted trump fall will weep just the same way the goons that plotted Jonathan fall are weeping about the herdsman in aso rock.

Evil people.

Dedetwo:


In US, it is still and resolutely remains one man one vote. I guess many people do not understand the actual denotation of electoral college.

When did black people become "men" in America

Dedetwo:


In US, it is still and resolutely remains one man one vote. I guess many people do not understand the actual denotation of electoral college.

When did black people become "men" in America

Ameria was founded on a constitutional status of subhumainty for black people

dragunov:


If any country should criticize the US, its not Russia. Evem China is just looking. So the kind of corrupt oligarchy, the mafia style of governance in Russia is the best style abi. That one is democracy? One fool on this forum is even praising the syatem of government in Nigeria and China. Authoritarian and dictatorial governments.

Its paining them because the puppet they have installed is going out. Trump has wrecked a lot of damage on the US which in my opinion can never be reversed. The US as it was is gone. See the level of mass hacking achieved by Russia which was just recently discovered. All under Trump's watch. And Trump has tried to deflect it to China. Up till now, while everyone is saying its Russia, Trump has abstained from speaking against Russia.

I hope Russia and China will not strike before Jan 20th.

common!

No one is talking about the system of government here.

System of government is different from the system of election

vioment:




Chairman, in this case I don't speak with certainty and I don't know who can, but from my above averge research,

25% of their gdp is from bullying their neighbors with resources,

then 25% is from hacking various countries banks,

30% from selling weapons and using it to buy stakes in those countries,

then 10% or 15% is creative and services

then the rest is through protecting countries and maybe printing money.


A very useless place I tell you, with 24hr electricity and some technology.

Based on the bolded, there is no need debating with you. Your "above average research" is super wrong. If you want to be a Russia hater, then hate in peace.

dragunov:


Sorry, which country are you a citizen of? Wonders shall never end. Ti iya nla ba ngbeni san le, kekere naa a ma je ni.

You could tell me the country whose citizen you are to start with.

Koosi danu

Tolexander:
common!

No one is talking about the system of government here.

System of government is different from the system of election

They are not different

Election systems are part of government systems

aribisala0:
They are not different

Election systems are part of government systems

so because a hand is part of the whole body, the hand is a body right?

Or because a room is part of a house, a room is a house?

aribisala0:
You are arguing blindly and do not even appear to comprehend what you are disputing

What is he saying?

“... and the American media have become
an instrument of political struggle, ”

Nothing could be truer about the US media than the above excerpt from d words of the Russian official.

It is not the first time US presidential results have come under dispute. Al-gore went to court against George Bush's victory, he was persuaded to withdraw the case. This is the first time someone will go the whole yard in challenging election outcome. there must be something really wrong with the election system in the US. i praise Trump for the determination to fight till the end. one day history will vindicate him. are this same people not the ones who said Oscar Lee killed Kennedy? who said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? The US system is fraught with errors and hypocrisies, simply because Trump couldn't prove his case does not mean he has no point.

Krismas:
It is not the first time US presidential results have come under dispute. Al-gore went to court against George Bush's victory, he was persuaded to withdraw the case. This is the first time someone will go the whole yard in challenging election outcome. there must be something really wrong with the election system in the US. i praise Trump for the determination to fight till the end. one day history will vindicate him. are this same people not the ones who said Oscar Lee killed Kennedy? who said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? The US system is fraught with errors and hypocrisies, simply because Trump couldn't prove his case does not mean he has no point.

He did not withdraw; the US Supreme Court decided in favour of Bush.

aribisala0:


YOU do not understand. What does "one man one vote mean"?

It is possible to win the Presidency and not have a majority of the total votes cast nationally,

If a candidate wins 51% votes in one state and his opponent wins 49$ . He wins the state and the 49% does not count any more

If in another state he wins 0 and his opponent wins 100 his opponent wins the state.

So you can win an entire state by 10 votes and lose another state by 100000 votes
and still end of winning the presidency if the first state has more electoral college votes

States in US are equal. Therefore the number of goons in one state does not trump the number of goons in another state in terms of electoral power. You killed you knowledge of the fact with your example of 51 and 49. I guess democracy is about majority in a state. He who wins 51 as the majority wins the election in the state. US presidential election is not a popularity contest as most dumbass liberals and the idiotic media would want to portray. No state in US would want only California and New York to decide who becomes the president of union.

UncommonLogic:


I beg save me the crap. I have been voting in the US general election since 1992 and it's not one man one vote . This is why you have so many people even in high political posts calling for the abolition of the electoral college.

One man one vote means that whoever gets the highest vote in any election wins, you can have the highest votes in the US and still lose.
United states of America is the only country in the world where you can lose the popular vote and still be declared a winner. It's oxymoronic and archaic that might have served a purpose 200 years ago but it's outdated and unnecessary now.
The Republicans are against abolishing the electoral college because without it, it will take.them another generation before they can win a national election.

Please shut up your putrid mouth. I have been voting since 1984 and never had more than one vote. My vote has always been counted as one. I really do not know why most Nigerians tend to give anything their silly interpretation. Firstly, each state in US has its electoral law partly different from another. Secondly, each state is equal in electoral pedigree whether the population is less than 4 million or not. Thirdly, US presidential election is not popularity contest. A winner must show he or she is acceptable in majority of the states. Fourthly, the only goons who remotely call for the abolition of electoral college are dumbass liberals and democrats who control and dominate in California and New York states with huge population voters. If California and New York had to be divided into two to reduce their sizes and diminish the hold of Democrat Party in those states, the liberals and goons in democratic party will sing a different tone.

aribisala0:

When did black people become "men" in America

Ameria was founded on a constitutional status of subhumainty for black people

If you want me to continue this discussion, you must desist from referring human beings as "Black" No human being is neither black nor white.

However so-called democracy seems to present a platform where certain voters do not even know what the hell they voted.

UncommonLogic:


Going by your logic, other nations too can claim that democracy is not the best form of government for their own unique society. But the US will be the first trying to tear them down for not trying democracy.
I guess others can also say

"Who says democracy is the best form of government "

May be the he electoral college was necessary when it was initiated but it's archaic now and outdated.

The major cornerstone of democracy is the protection of the minority. I guess the people in your class of intellect think that democracy is the best form of government. Democracy frowns at what you seemed to profess which simple majority which leads to authoritarian form of government. Anybody can practice any form of government as long as the minority has strong in the governance.

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Dedetwo:


Please shut up your putrid mouth. I have been voting since 1984 and never had more than one vote. My vote has always been counted as one. I really do not know why most Nigerians tend to give anything their silly interpretation. Firstly, each state in US has its electoral law partly different from another. Secondly, each state is equal in electoral pedigree whether the population is less than 4 million or not. Thirdly, US presidential election is not popularity contest. A winner must show he or she is acceptable in majority of the states. Fourthly, the only goons who remotely call for the abolition of electoral college are dumbass liberals and democrats who control and dominate in California and New York states with huge population voters. If California and New York had to be divided into two to reduce their sizes and diminish the hold of Democrat Party in those states, the liberals and goons in democratic party will sing a different tone.

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Obviously you are one of the delusional IPIG retards. Each State does not have equal electoral pedigree, California's electoral value is much more than that of Michigan and that has a lot to do with their respective population.
Just STFU and stop spewing rubbish. I doubt a clueless ignorant MOFO like you have been voting since 1984.
Dumb ass, you think I don't know that each State have their own electoral laws? Each State have the right to make their own laws which has always been at the hearth of conservatism until each state making their laws doesn't favor them. PA decided to change their early voting laws due to the pandemic which is a right that is granted to every state. The PA house of reps is also controlled by the Republicans but once the votes came out against them, all of a sudden - the so called conservatives are now against any State amending their electoral laws which is the tenet of conservatism.
Look son, I can educate you from now till the end of time.
I'll suggest you STFU and get lost.

Dedetwo:


The major cornerstone of democracy is the protection of the minority. I guess the people in your class of intellect think that democracy is the best form of government. Democracy frowns at what you seemed to profess which simple majority which leads to authoritarian form of government. Anybody can practice any form of government as long as the minority has strong in the governance.

Dumb ass retard, what does democracy means in 99 percent of the countries in the world?
I dare you to name just one other country where the majority vote doesn't win an election. Pls just name one more dumbo.
Democracy recognizes and protect the minority by making sure that they have a say in the running of government which is done by having their representatives at the Congress or parliament. It doesn't say minority rule.

Like I said previously, I can school your dumb ass all day.
I was taking American history and government classes while you were still running around in diapers.

UncommonLogic:
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Obviously you are one of the delusional IPIG retards. Each State does not have equal electoral pedigree, California's electoral value is much more than that of Michigan and that has a lot to do with their respective population.
Just STFU and stop spewing rubbish. I doubt a clueless ignorant MOFO like you have been voting since 1984.
Dumb ass, you think I don't know that each State have their own electoral laws? Each State have the right to make their own laws which has always been at the hearth of conservatism until each state making their laws doesn't favor them. PA decided to change their early voting laws due to the pandemic which is a right that is granted to every state. The PA house of reps is also controlled by the Republicans but once the votes came out against them, all of a sudden - the so called conservatives are now against any State amending their electoral laws which is the tenet of conservatism.
Look son, I can educate you from now till the end of time.
I'll suggest you STFU and get lost.

I guess fools shall be the first to call others name. You wanted the abolition of electoral college yet cite one as example. Each state in US has equal electoral pedigree. There is nothing like electoral value because a candidate can lose California and still win the race. However based on the population of each state, certain electoral number has been to awarded. This is the reason a candidate can lose in California and New York with the largest number of electoral voters and still win presidential election. The equal electoral pedigree is intellectually elaborated with number of senators from each state. California does not produce more senators than Michigan. Stop flaunting your ignorance in the public By the way, pedigree does not equate to value.