rossoki:


Perhaps. But a good corporate strategy must emphasize affordability at least as much as quality, if targeting emerging markets in Africa. SA firms need to adapt to Africa and quit acting like they're in Europe.

Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, Malawi, Angola, Swaziland even poor Lesotho are accustomed to such quality and prices

Nigeria can't complain when a poor country like Lesotho afford them

North Africa is well aligned


Maybe Nigeria Africa need to adapt to world standards of pricing and quality, and stop compromising quality

Austine1213:


Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, Malawi, Angola, Swaziland even poor Lesotho are accustomed to such quality and prices

Nigeria can't complain when a poor country like Lesotho afford them

North Africa is well aligned


Maybe Nigeria Africa need to adapt to world standards of pricing and quality, and stop compromising quality

Lesotho has only one rail line built in 1905. Zim, Swaziland, Malawi etc are not known for rail services. These countries you're listing are tiny populations with precious little demand for mass rail. They mostly offer a token service.

And it wouldn't surprise me if SA leverages her political and economic influence to get those poor neighbours to buy her trains.

rossoki:


Lesotho has only one rail line built in 1905. Zim, Swaziland, Malawi etc are not known for rail services. These countries you're listing are tiny populations with precious little demand for mass rail. They mostly offer a token service.

And it wouldn't surprise me if SA leverages her political and economic influence to get those poor neighbours to buy her trains.

We not fighting right?


My statement was not limited to rail it was overral goods

Chinese companies have to build it,isn't that part of the loan conditions?

Austine1213:


We not fighting right?


My statement was not limited to rail it was overral goods

This thread is about rail. Kindly stick to the topic.

rossoki:


This thread is about rail. Kindly stick to the topic.

OK

But I feel quality matters, else you'll spend more money over fixing things that shouldn't be an issue

And also you need that quality as a country that claims to be a super power

Aconomist:
With all the money Dangote, Chagoury Group, and Julius Berger have looted from Nigeria, why aren't these domestic companies capable of contracting rail projects that can be paid for by naira? Why must we always use Chinese companies that will demand dollars to drain forex and saddle the nation with debt?

What is so hard about building a rail road anyways -- that it should cost multiple billions of dollars? Most tracks here in the U.S. are made with wood!

the constitution of Nigeria 1999 does not give us the permition to do so.it is the exclusive powers of the f.g

rossoki:


You would be surprised that the cost of reviving Ajaokuta and using its steel, and then getting a South African firm to supply coaches would be TWICE or even THRICE higher than that China solution.

I've personally tried to use South African firms to supply certain machinery etc, but dropped them after discovering they were charging nearly double of what the Chinese were charging, including shipping.

China has achieved what we call Economies of Scale in manufacturing and civil engineering and construction. They can do many things for a very low price, and that is why countries all over the world, not just Nigeria, are attracted to Chinese solutions.

In any case the Chinese are building a massive railway manufacturing plant in Ogun state that will employ over 5,000 Nigerians, so it's not as if we're not looking to be self-sufficient down the line.

Chinese firm to build first rolling stock assembly plant in Nigeria
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/10/c_138543820.htm

mind you we don't need $10 billion to bring back ajaokuta.we don't even need up to $6bn. Mind you cost saving we would get from the various rail projects would be enormous couple with the fact that we would be able to to utilize the steel for local production and also for export which would help a lot with foreign exchange .it will help in making us self reliant the cost of reviving ajaokuta out ways the current arrangements with buying all things from china.

Aconomist:
With all the money Dangote, Chagoury Group, and Julius Berger have looted from Nigeria, why aren't these domestic companies capable of contracting rail projects that can be paid for by naira? Why must we always use Chinese companies that will demand dollars to drain forex and saddle the nation with debt?

What is so hard about building a rail road anyways -- that it should cost multiple billions of dollars? Most tracks here in the U.S. are made with wood!

sounds like you have a good business idea and you're begging someone to steal it from you.