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If Obasanjo come again for a third time I will still stand gidigba like Zuma rock against it. Committing suicide over that choice of mine is highly welcome n I don't even mind sponsoring your burial whenever your finally decide the type of suicide befitting your soul.

Greenback:
See them,Yoruba people holding brief for mallams.. .
When obj was trying to get third term,the north simply threw bones down and sat back and relax. But alas! It was the same Yoruba people that fought against obj and his third term bid!


Southern Nigeria sacrileges.

Top1gun:
I laf at your foolishness.
Are we talking about the same Abakaliki Igbos from that state are the ones doing houseboys length n breath of Lagos... Lol

Bro, make I no open Abakaliki book for you, e go be like say I take the debate personal but for a fact know that the same Abakaliki you talked about is the poverty capital of the entire South churning out wretchedness daily at an alarming degree even every igbo knows.

All those self hype about Umahi are for your fans, many of us see tru the gimmick. How many igbo went back to Abakaliki over the holidays n return with pictures of Umahi beautiful works ? In the days of Akpabio Fashola Amechi every Nigeria can attest to the standard of performance by each governor with visible picture of solid infrastructure taken over the holidays. No Ebonyi indigene deem it fit to post a single pics of the Umahi fraud that his sponsored by whoever on NL.

You can keep living in delusions as to transformation of Ebonyi while it can't stand ordinary Osun state talk more of Ekiti state.

I don't know all this your hate about ebonyi
The same roads and flyovers, the are celebrating in the North as development is still what Ebonyi government is doing! But you and Arrewa will come here to Tell us trash.
Now most Eastern State already has malls and everything the are building in Ebonyi.
But I once read where you said a particular governor in the west out performed umahi

Am not too sure of that bro
Cos that state you are taking about receives allocation bigger than Ebonyi, and I don't think that a particular governor in this current administration

Is building a mega mall (check the details of his mall)
A modern international airport ( FG after seeing the phototype approved it to be international airport)
A modern stadium
An international market (bro you seriously need to goggle the size and pictures of ebonyi new market)
A lots of government own housing estate,
Now let's just forget about the lots of roads and flyovers he has built
His even developing a new city in the state capital (Google this too bro)

So tell me bro, I Know your state might have all this
But where all these built at once? ( Like by one adminstration) like ebonyi is doing

And you once said ebonyi is poor, now if Ebonyi is poor
What Will you now say about sokoto (the poorest state in Nigeria) and the other numerous poor state up north
Haba let's be fair to judge right?

North can never catch up with the other part of Nigeria (at Least for now)

The other day, Arrewa was bragging about how the have started killing Igbos on a low key, even how the started boycotting there product...
Lolz..
Let them continue with that mindset is good..
Lolz
Las las investor which have already been driving out cos of insecurity, will go out the more

North is always bragging about agriculture, the same agriculture that's been done in niger (yet the are poor as Bleep)
Tell me a country with big economy and heavy GDP that's 90% driven by agriculture in this modern world!

Nigercity:
Don't lemme think you own education is also a waste
Do u know the meaning of development
You think is by having roads and flyovers which Ebonyi has. Eh!
The problem between you and Arrewa is that you guys forget that the GDP of odinary IMO state is bigger than that of Kano (do your research and stop posting trash).
Have you even been to the north b4
Food is very cheap there yet majority can't afford it
Kano with GDP less than that of IMO receive more allocation than all South East state (just because of thre mere imaginary population).
So them building roads and flyovers in there state capital is no big deal, but less measure real development, education, human capital development, GDP e.t.c not arewa posting pictures of roads filled with alamajri beggers,

I don't usually response to all this tribal beef
But for that fact I no north well, I have too
And as the flyovers the have up north, ebonyi the poorest state in the east have a lot of them

Below are pictures of mini class residence in the east,
But ask Arrewa to post pictures of the north, (he will only post pictures of roads with a lot of bungalow) how many people up north apart from politicans can afford 3story building (not government estate oh)
The difference between development in Nigeria
Is that the development in the east is private driven
While that of the north is government driven
But apart from roads, in all indices of development east is far ahead North, Arrewa is only typing and posting trash with emotions

Ebonyi the poorest state in the east, is still Richer than many states in the North (do you research).
The poorest state in Nigeria is still the North
Infact if east and west (anything south) is beefing North shouldn't be chipping there mouth in,

Just try and visit north
You go cry
If only Arrewa knows what development is
He would have stopped disgracing his ancestors here and channel all his energy in entering politics and giving the north true and real development

Well I won’t hold brief for the Northerners, they should defend themselves.

However what do you mean by the government developed Kano (North) and the SE is privately developed? What does that statement actually mean?

Do you mean all the roads, bridges, infrastructures in the SE are built by the private citizens?

Or do you mean the houses, estates, buildings, industries, in Kano (North) was built by the government?

What is the meaning of the private people developed SE and government developed other places? You guys just use words without understanding the meaning.

Like I said, I wouldn’t expend much time defending the North but in terms of economic activities, Kano is not Imo state mate.

BastardWike:
Lol, in the East, it is like we are in some sort of tax haven. In the past, we used to pay various forms of taxes like sanitation, infrastructure, signage, development levy etc but they hardly enforce them anymore. I was surprised when Borno state government was levying shop owners 20k annual tax.

Even a state like Abia will easily rake in 4 billion naira monthly from Aba alone if they want to aggressively tax people.

Unknown to many people, another contributor to IGR is federal government allocations, a state recieving higher allocations will equally have a higher a relatively higher IGR than a state recieving lower allocations because it will mean more money for recurrent expenditure that will in turn be taxed at source.

last paragraph true.

But when people want to brag about north i wonder why they use only Kano -kaduna that has been over spoon feed by fg since military what happened to other northern states

Top seven highest fg allocation states you would find Kano kaduna.

While states like rivers, Delta, Akwa Ibom are justified because of oil wealth and Lagos justified because of business wealth, (Kano-Kaduna joins because of quota system)

BastardWike:
Lol, in the East, it is like we are in some sort of tax haven. In the past, we used to pay various forms of taxes like sanitation, infrastructure, signage, development levy etc but they hardly enforce them anymore. I was surprised when Borno state government was levying shop owners 20k annual tax.

Even a state like Abia will easily rake in 4 billion naira monthly from Aba alone if they want to aggressively tax people.

Unknown to many people, another contributor to IGR is federal government allocations, a state recieving higher allocations will equally have a higher a relatively higher IGR than a state recieving lower allocations because it will mean more money for recurrent expenditure that will in turn be taxed at source.

The bolded part is a misrepresentation of facts and respectfully nonsense.

When does having higher allocation translate to having higher IGR? What facts supported that and can you tell us why the oil producing states are not all at the top of the IGR generating table of your argument holds valid?

The problem with you guys is that you always find an excuse for low performance by pushing all sort of narratives that doesn’t hold true.

Then Cross-River, Bayelsa, and Akwa-Ibom should all have a higher IGR than Ogun State if we are trying to use that analogy of yours.

Check the image below, it shows IGR and FAAC for each state for 1st half of 2020, can you see how the chart does not somehow conform to your analogy?

kettykin:
The kano igr has more than 30% igbo business taxes while the taxes in enugu ,Abis and ebonyi has 99.99999% igbo taxes and less than 0.00001% northern contributions

If Nigeria is restructured and the center government is no longer leaching on the resources of oil producing states and dishing it out to kano based on population, the igr of kano will not be up to Aba igr

The topic is about IGR and not money generated from the sales of crude oil which all States receive but you are pretending that your States are not leaching on the crude oil sales.

kalu61:
But your education never told you that Igbos contributes to Kano IG while the hausa in East rarely pay tax.

How many schools, restaurants, cafe, business, saloon, mansions etc do Igbo have in North compare to hausa in the East?

Stop the hate

Is this your explanations why Enugu, Abia and Ebonyi can't generate substantial IGR?


And you will come online Everytime to be calling other States Parasites, Slaves, backward etc

kettykin:
I can name igbo businesses paying more than N10 taxes in kano. But I will not because of nepotism

What does Igbo businesses paying tax have to do?

The so-called Igbo Businesses are located in Kano, trade with people in Kano, use infrastructure in Kano and above all made their profits from the people in Kano, where else should they be paying their taxes

Your understanding of Economics is very shallow.

oyatz:
Is this your explanations why Enugu, Abia and Ebonyi can't generate substantial IGR?


And you will come online Everytime to be calling other States Parasites, Slaves, backward etc

GDP is used to measure development
Not IGR
IGR simply means that the government knows how to collect taxes
Come to the east many indigenous companies don't really pay taxes
Check FIRS about ABIA...
Alot of companies don't pay taxes in the east
And that's bad,

But I don't still think Kano IGR is still bigger than the 3 state o.p mentioned
I don't really believe that
So my own is, Arrewa people should explain why, with there so called IGR and commercial agriculture
IMO state (with only hotels and tourism) has more GDP than kano (the richest and most commercialized state in the North)

Top1gun:
That is cos the stats doesn't favour your igbo states ba ? I guess that foolish transaction details that your tribesmen peddle on NL will be preferable as evidence of economic growth though know country ever measure their growth with it according to your damaged Igbotic medulla ba ?!

Sir, I understand your pain for the Igbos and I also respect your opinion. But the problem is; both of us can't change the meaning of IGR, not here in Naira Land, not anywhere.

You are sounding fair in your accessment so I will respond in kind. Nobody as a problem with Umahi building all this infrastructure, my personal problem is anyone selling him as an achiever. The way Ganduje is not respected for those bridges malls roads by virtually all Igbos on NL is what Umahi deserves too because I know for a fact he steal more than Ganduje.

Project for project Rauf Aregbe will build more projects than Dave Umahi by the time Dave completes his term that is a statement of fact.

Note my debate is not about North being poor or backwards or not, my debate is simply to highlight the fact that Kano my be a northern state but it development indices average that of any southern state except in education. This is so that your tribesmen demonizing Ganduje as a thief can understand each Igbos state have bigger thieves and the fact they are not caught does not mean they are not thieves. Now, I know the argument will shift to me needing to wait till they are caught which in turn mean Igbos should be writing dossiers of apology to Tinubu for all your insult because he is also yet to be caught.

Nigercity:
I don't know all this your hate about ebonyi
The same roads and flyovers, the are celebrating in the North as development is still what Ebonyi government is doing! But you and Arrewa will come here to Tell us trash.
Now most Eastern State already has malls and everything the are building in Ebonyi.
But I once read where you said a particular governor in the west out performed umahi

Am not too sure of that bro
Cos that state you are taking about receives allocation bigger than Ebonyi, and I don't think that a particular governor in this current administration

Is building a mega mall (check the details of his mall)
A modern international airport ( FG after seeing the phototype approved it to be international airport)
A modern stadium
An international market (bro you seriously need to goggle the size and pictures of ebonyi new market)
A lots of government own housing estate,
Now let's just forget about the lots of roads and flyovers he has built
His even developing a new city in the state capital (Google this too bro)

So tell me bro, I Know your state might have all this
But where all these built at once? ( Like by one adminstration) like ebonyi is doing

And you once said ebonyi is poor, now if Ebonyi is poor
What Will you now say about sokoto (the poorest state in Nigeria) and the other numerous poor state up north
Haba let's be fair to judge right?

North can never catch up with the other part of Nigeria (at Least for now)

The other day, Arrewa was bragging about how the have started killing Igbos on a low key, even how the started boycotting there product...
Lolz..
Let them continue with that mindset is good..
Lolz
Las las investor which have already been driving out cos of insecurity, will go out the more

North is always bragging about agriculture, the same agriculture that's been done in niger (yet the are poor as Bleep)
Tell me a country with big economy and heavy GDP that's 90% driven by agriculture in this modern world!

Ibrahimmrfish:
Then advice all the Igbo in Kano to move south so that they can take all the money with them.

would you people agree , whenever Restructuring and division is being mention, they'll start urinating in thier pants.

Nigercity:
GDP is used to measure development
Not IGR
IGR simply means that the government knows how to collect taxes
Come to the east many indigenous companies don't really pay taxes
Check FIRS about ABIA...
Alot of companies don't pay taxes in the east
And that's bad,

But I don't still think Kano IGR is still bigger than the 3 state o.p mentioned
I don't really believe that
So my own is, Arrewa people should explain why, with there so called IGR and commercial agriculture
IMO state (with only hotels and tourism) has more GDP than kano (the richest and most commercialized state in the North)

The topic is about IGR. When we get to the issue of GDP, we can open another thread for it.


In my honest opinion, different parts of Nigeria have their areas of strength and weaknesses. There is no part that is only about weaknesses and no strength.

The Northerners who are being bashed daily online and stereotyped as 'poor, backwards, illiterates and parasites' are aware of these and are doing so many things to change the narratives.

This is the motivation behind them posting all these threads.

The insinuation that they are caused by Afonja doesn't hold water. Go to Facebook and Twitter, you will see real Northers posting things like these and challenging the S/east guys that used to taunt them.

Twutin:
My question is, why do these people free so inferior? Always comparing igbo land to their own.. as if it is heaven or something

Theres nothing good on this politics section again. Everything in this section is abt igbo.
The problem is the igbo people responding.

You're an hypocrite bro!! I can't count the numbers of thread have seen Igbos attacking Tinubu, even though the thread will have nothing to do with Tinubu.

LegendHero:
The bolded part is a misrepresentation of facts and respectfully nonsense.

When does having higher allocation translate to having higher IGR? What facts supported that and can you tell us why the oil producing states are not all at the top of the IGR generating table of your argument holds valid?

The problem with you guys is that you always find an excuse for low performance by pushing all sort of narratives that doesn’t hold true.

Then Cross-River, Bayelsa, and Akwa-Ibom should all have a higher IGR than Ogun State if we are trying to use that analogy of yours.

Check the image below, it shows IGR and FAAC for each state for 1st half of 2020, can you see how the chart does not somehow conform to your analogy?

You still do not get it. If a state with high federal allocation is churning out low IGR, it means they will produce terribly low IGR if they were to receive low or even average federal allocation. For instance, Kano with 44 LGAs and an equally very high allocations will be able to employ many civil servants and other workers even if it's just for them to earn free money without working. All these workers, even the ghost ones will equally be made to pay their taxes at source. Remember that government workers are the most tax compliant people in any state because their tax is deducted at source. Even contractors you will give projects to execute in the state due to availability of high allocations will also pay tax too, meaning more tax revenue to that state.

Again, a state that has federal government agencies or establishments will also record higher tax because all these establishments will still pay one form of tax or another to the state government.

LegendHer0:
Well I won’t hold brief for the Northerners, they should defend themselves.

However what do you mean by the government developed Kano (North) and the SE is privately developed? What does that statement actually mean?

Do you mean all the roads, bridges, infrastructures in the SE are built by the private citizens?

Or do you mean the houses, estates, buildings, industries, in Kano (North) was built by the government?

What is the meaning of the private people developed SE and government developed other places? You guys just use words without understanding the meaning.

Like I said, I wouldn’t expend much time defending the North but in terms of economic activities, Kano is not Imo state mate.

You really should be ashamed of yourself. Someone gave you a thorough rebuttal that is devoid of emotions yet all you could come up with is your usual trashy response.

He said that development in the East is private sector driven while that of the North is government driven, and that's a fact!

He said that Imo State has a higher GDP than Kano and that's a fact!

When he said that development in the East is private sector driven, he meant that development in the East is growing on the strength of private sector individual investments while that of the North is propelled by government due to huge allocations. Compare what Kano is getting in terms of allocations to what Anambra and see the wide disparity. Even within Kano metropolis, Buhari built a massive flyover bridge. In the East, both Federal and State roads are bad due to relatively low allocations, corruption and criminal neglect yet private sector investments are booming in terms of housing, schools, health services etc.

Arrewa:
why do you guys like deceiving yourselves?? You think kano is Lagos that igbos dominanted the Bussiness sectors??

The Hausafulanis dominted every sector in kano... Igbos no get mouth here... That's why they make less noise.

And as it is... There's a coded boycott of Igbo traders...

Once they say wanan Shagon Nyamiri ne... It will be boycotted.

We rather buy from our people or go to other tribes but not Igbos.

50% our people are boycotting the Igbos...

And unfortunately fools like you will still shout one Nigeria. Pathetic! Who does such in a sane society? Let everyone go his separate way yet, you will say no because you have a numerical strength of a very unproductive, parasitic, ignorant population. I truly detest ethnic and religious bigot like you despite your exposion to Western education

tsdarkside:
ehen....are you igbo....??
how many igbos can speak hausa in nigeria....??

very interesting....

yes I am igbo.

many igbos can speak hausa especially those that stay in the north like myself.