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Akuruoulo:
WHY TALK ABOUT B TEAM. WHY DO PEOPLE MOSTLY ARGENTINES BLAST MESSI 4 NT GIVING THEM INTERNATIONAL TROPHY ? DIDN'T MESSI WIN OLYMPICS ? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SENIOR LEVELS AND NOT B. U CNT BE GIVEN THE BEST MANAGER BECUS U WON ACCOLADES WITH JUNIOR TEAM

Since Pep left Barca, no coach has made impart the way he did. It shows he wasnt a fluke.
Pep never lost bundesliga all thru his tenure at Bayern. They lost immediately he left and even Great Ancelloti couldnt avoid being sacked.
Jose coached Man utd, and Chelsea and got sacked at one point. It is always hard to sack a winning coach like Pep.
This is someone that already have more than 8 Trophies with Man city in 4yrs.
Jose Mou is good no doubt . But trying to make Pep look bad or not good enough is what i wont accept. No coach is perfect and no one wins forever. You win some and lose some.

loswhite:
funny ppl.... you think you know more than the player...smh

guy forget that tin...its jus like harzard saying he prefer zizou tactic more than mou n conte dt he was a key player...
players would always speak with sentiments to pass their message bt it doest mean they are on point..

obembet:
To me, I think Pep a failure because he can't give a team what they need. he only give them what they already have. Mourinho will give a team what they need and not what they have. that only make Jose Mourinho the best choice, Even Reneiry is better than Guardiola because he took underdogs 'Lecester city from nowhere to win a trophy for them.

mynd44

You mean that statement as a joke or you're just plain ignorant? Oh! I just read your whole post. Never mind. I've gotten the answer to my question.

paulolee:
pls don start this lame argument...which mourinho are talking about?? the same mourinho dt couldn't win a UCL with his star studded madrid n won just a league in 3 seasons against pep or the same mourinho dt flopped badly in his return to Chelsea and his stint with man.u??
even if you hate pep, try n be constructive with ur criticism...pep hardly goes a season without a trophy and DTS commendable because he also knows how to build team that plays beautiful football which isnt easy, or do you think a mourinho would build a machine in ethihad and dominate England like pep did from the start of his city job??
you are saying ranieri is better than pep because he won EPL wit smaller team forgetting that mou and pep once moved to the city of manchester at the same time, both coaches had money and resources, pep built a ruthless team n won "all" trophies in england in his first 2 seasons but we all know how it ended with mourinho on the other side..
pls you should have some respect on pep because even if he isnt the best, he is more tactical than mourinho...
FACT- mourinho have lost to pep more than any other manager he had faced....means pep Is doing something right

be guided o, he didn't build mancity, they were a team to beat before he came, and most good players he inherited them, players like company, aguero, david silver, sterling, fernadinho, walker, where all there when he came, still he didn't get the team to common champions league quarter final, at least pellegrini did it, he came to bayern munich, yet no champion's league, he had the best players too at bayern....and I'm.sure he will never lift uefa champions league in england until he moves to psg or any other already made team....don't worry when he moves to psg, you will still come here and tell us how he dominated france, by wining their league

I dont know why ppl hate pep so much, Mourinho that spent nearly a year without a club after man u sacked him..if Pep decide to leave mancity, all the big clubs will agree to sack their current manager just to have him except maybe for liverpool klopp..mancity vs tottenham carabao finals comes up in a months time, ask those who think mou is a better coach to bet against city winning the cup, they will run away..Btw like for like tottenham has a better first eleven of kane, bale, son, lucas moura etc.

Beedude:
Since Pep left Barca, no coach has made impart the way he did. It shows he wasnt a fluke.
Pep never lost bundesliga all thru his tenure at Bayern. They lost immediately he left and even Great Ancelloti couldnt avoid being sacked.
Jose coached Man utd, and Chelsea and got sacked at one point. It is always hard to sack a winning coach like Pep.
This is someone that already have more than 8 Trophies with Man city in 4yrs.
Jose Mou is good no doubt . But trying to make Pep look bad or not good enough is what i wont accept. No coach is perfect and no one wins forever. You win some and lose some.

And they also won the champions league which he couldn't . What happened when barca had SUAREZ, NEYMAR AND MESSI ? WAS THIS BE4 OR AFTER PEP ? HOW MANY TEAMS WON THEY BUNDESLIGA AFTER HE LEFT ? WHY GIVE A TEAM WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ? WHY DID HE LEFT BAYERN ? DIDN'T HIM CALL HIMSELF A FAILURE AT BAYERN ? WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF A FAILURE ?

Akuruoulo:
INTER WERE NOBODY THEN. MOU JUST CAME IN AND ADDED MILITO FRM GENOA. INTER WAS SUPER UNDER DOGS THEN.

The same inter that won seria 6 seasons in a row prior to 2010?

jagorinho:
if you check very well, I was referring to prime Mourinho, after his stint at Inter Milan Mourinho has gone down hill, do you know the kind of man management he did to an average squad at Porto that won the champions league? I have been supporting inter Milan since 2003, he made the squad believe they can win the champions league when he took over.

Prime mourinho was a blessing to football, it is a pity he is shadow of his old self, Materazzi was crying when Mourinho was about to leave despite being an heavily under used substitute for Mourinho, he gave Stankovic 2 weeks break when his wife gave birth, he convinced eto"o to play wide forward position despite eto's preferred centre forward position.

Mourinho would always give you the believe that you can do it, no matter how inferior your talent is, but of recent maybe because of old age or inability to reinvent himself, he has become a very toxic individual and his man management skills are not good enough anymore.

I agree that, he is just a shadow of his old self. I used to admire the kind of relationship he had with the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba & Essien. They bonded so well and the guys were ready to do anything for their coach. He doesn't hesitate to defend them before the press and pundits. He did same at inter but immediately he joined Madrid, everything changed. Maybe it comes with age just like you mentioned though.

ogbu80:
be guided o, he didn't build mancity, they were a team to beat before he came, and most good players he inherited them, players like company, aguero, david silver, sterling, fernadinho, walker, where all there when he came, still he didn't get the team to common champions league quarter final, at least pellegrini did it, he came to bayern munich, yet no champion's league, he had the best players too at bayern....and I'm.sure he will never lift uefa champions league in england until he moves to psg or any other already made team....don't worry when he moves to psg, you will still come here and tell us how he dominated france, by wining their league

guy calm down...we all know pep dominated city more than Mancini n pellegrini...pep built them by signing key players to compliment what he met..
pep made city unbeatable in england and he won all trophies in two consecutive seasons with record winning points never seen before..
pep only fault is not winning UCL since he left barca but I still insist dt he and mou came to epl the same season n mou had players and resources too but pep out classed and performed better than him..

12large1:
The same inter that won seria 6 seasons in a row prior to 2010?

UR WINNING THE LEAGUE 12 STRAIGHT YEARS COULDN'T GUARANTEE U A CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TROPHY. WHAT WAS THEIR RECORD IN THE UEFA RELATED LEAGUES ?

ThierryJay:
Bros you are the ignorant one here and that guy you quoted is actually right.

In 2003/2004 UCL, all the big teams flopped:

Real Madrid was eliminated by Monaco in the QF, Man utd was eliminated by Porto in the final match of the group stage.

AC Milan was dumped out by Deportivo La Coruna while Liverpool couldnt even make the UCL at all.

Bayern Munich was dumped out in the second round by an upcoming Ranieri's Chelsea team while Barcelona couldnt make it into the UCL knockout stages at all.

The 2004 UCL final was played between Porto and Monaco, (more like a group stage tie). In fact the semi-finalists were Porto, Deportivo, Monaco and Ranieri's Chelsea. Go figure.

So yes, again you are the ignorant one and stop sounding like you understand football very well when you have a poor knowledge of its history!

Being dumped out of the competition,doesn't mean they weren't the best teams then....

paulolee:
pls don start this lame argument...which mourinho are talking about?? the same mourinho dt couldn't win a UCL with his star studded madrid n won just a league in 3 seasons against pep or the same mourinho dt flopped badly in his return to Chelsea and his stint with man.u??
even if you hate pep, try n be constructive with ur criticism...pep hardly goes a season without a trophy and DTS commendable because he also knows how to build team that plays beautiful football which isnt easy, or do you think a mourinho would build a machine in ethihad and dominate England like pep did from the start of his city job??
you are saying ranieri is better than pep because he won EPL wit smaller team forgetting that mou and pep once moved to the city of manchester at the same time, both coaches had money and resources, pep built a ruthless team n won "all" trophies in england in his first 2 seasons but we all know how it ended with mourinho on the other side..
pls you should have some respect on pep because even if he isnt the best, he is more tactical than mourinho...
FACT- mourinho have lost to pep more than any other manager he had faced....means pep Is doing something right

The only thing Manchester city has not won before Guardiola's arrival is the champions league and they have still not won it. So what is he doing specially?

obembet:
To me, I think Pep a failure because he can't give a team what they need. he only give them what they already have. Mourinho will give a team what they need and not what they have. that only make Jose Mourinho the best choice, Even Reneiry is better than Guardiola because he took underdogs 'Lecester city from nowhere to win a trophy for them.

mynd44

Facts only!!!

Pep has not won the UCL in over 6 years since leaving Messi and barca. 3 years at Bayern without a final and 4 at city now with a single ucl final. we are not talking of winning it o, just enter final he cannot.

Watch all the managers that coached Messi when he was still messi, they all won UCL. Messi makes every coach look so good just as CR7 when he was hot too. Since he left, Madrid is struggling to win anything until barca single handedly dashed them la liga last season, Zidane yansh sef for open.

I always say it, Pep is nothing without messi but people dey argue and i have told them to ask Pep to prove me wrong but he still haven't. Two german coaches won UCL with that Bayern team pre and post pep era, meanwhile the almighty pep couldn't make a single final in 6 years plus.

Mourinho has reached the Carling cup final with spurs now, don't be surprised he will win it. Spurs haven't won anything for years and like you said, Jose gives a team what they do need. always something new and special.

Meanwhile, Pep is still chasing old messi to join him at city maybe he can finally win the UCL.

obembet:
If Pep can win League with lower team... Like Watford, Sevilla or Napoli, I will agree with u


Lalasticlala

and mourinho won the league with Watford right ? Lmao keep spewing trash

Murketeer:
Pep as well as Morinho are always blessed with good players and good bank account...so we can only argue who is better if they are both given average teams ..and then we can see what comes of it

It's really easy bro.
Barca has won the champions league before Pep's arrival. He couldn't even win it at Bayern.

Mourinho broke a record for Porto. He broke 50 years jinx for Inter milan and won the league for chelsea as a record. Please give it to Mourinho. Guardiola has not won a record trophy for a club.

obembet:
To me, I think Pep a failure because he can't give a team what they need. he only give them what they already have. Mourinho will give a team what they need and not what they have. that only make Jose Mourinho the best choice, Even Reneiry is better than Guardiola because he took underdogs 'Lecester city from nowhere to win a trophy for them.

mynd44

ranieri is better than pep ? Lmao say something sensible pls . Pep has more trophies than mou and don't give me that " he spends a lot on transfer " bs..... Mourinho does too.

HBB1:
You know the story behind Guardiola's employment as Barca Manager...

He humiliated the Barca Team with his Barca B youngsters...
( they had to take him aside to ask his players to 'calm down')

You should read about it...

Guardiola revolutionalized Football in the past 10 years.
You can see bits and pieces of his style of play in most top teams now.

If coaching were only about winning trophies with Watford, people like Bielsa wouldn't be revered.

Mention 1 virgin trophy Guardiola has won in his career for a club.

paulolee:
lolz....u aint fair on pep...u allow him coach n fail at d small club first before u judge him...mou won ucl with inter and Porto and those two clubs were on thier prime when he won it and not underdogs or lower teams like ranieri used..

Oga forget Pep is just one opportunist, What is his overwhelming achievements apart from Barca where a solid foundation has already been laid for him by Frank Rijkaard.

ogbu80:
be guided o, he didn't build mancity, they were a team to beat before he came, and most good players he inherited them, players like company, aguero, david silver, sterling, fernadinho, walker, where all there when he came, still he didn't get the team to common
champions league quarter final, at least pellegrini did it, he came to bayern munich, yet no champion's league, he had the best players too at bayern....and I'm.sure he will never lift uefa champions league in england until he moves to psg or any other already made team....don't worry when he moves to psg, you will still come here and tell us how he dominated france, by wining their league

Pep bought 80%of mancity current team. He sold the likes of zabaleta, sagna, kolarov, clichy, hart, mangala, dzeko, navas etc and bought relatively unknown players like sane, gabriel Jesus etc. Pep always leaves a legacy unlike mou. Bayern recent success is as aresult of pep legacy and playing style.

30naira:
1) Prior to Mou at Madrid, they hadn't moved past the knockout stage of the UCL for 5 years or won LA Liga. Mourinho narrowly lost two semi finals, one with penalties against Bayern

2) In that return to Chelsea where he flopped, you seem to forget that he actually won the epl on his return, before falling out with players after a certain incident with club doctor and Eden Hazard.

3)Mourinho won europa league at Man utd. Got them back into the champions league. Again, falling out with players (pogba) was his undoing. Pep took over a city team that was very much at it's peak. He still hasn't delivered the UCL

4)conclusively, both are very good managers in their day, with contrasting styles. I m a huge fan of Pep, but I do not disparage Mourinho.
Mourinho's biggest problem is his frequent falling out with players

The truth...

paulolee:
1...since 1993 no team have won UCL consecutively but zizou did it three times and it doesn't mean he is still the best coach ever because people still say its based on his good team and luck factor
2..I know he won the league in Chelsea but the career of a coach isn't judged by the beginning but by the overall especially how it ends and he was sacked because he failed..
3..pep haven't been in europa and thats not a yard stick and you said he is always falling out with his players which means he is lacking some man management skills because even the media says his style is too strict n rigid unlike pep
am not playing down on mourinho, my point is dt with a good team that have enough money to spend. pep would perform better than mou anytime anyday..

But he had a good team (Bayern) that won the league with over 20 points and the champions league before he came yet he couldn't repeat a feature close to that with enough money.

He also has Manchester city too where he's been spending and cannot win what they have not won before his arrival.

So what's the point bro?

ThierryJay:
Bros you are the ignorant one here and that guy you quoted is actually right.

In 2003/2004 UCL, all the big teams flopped:

Real Madrid was eliminated by Monaco in the QF, Man utd was eliminated by Porto in the final match of the group stage.

AC Milan was dumped out by Deportivo La Coruna while Liverpool couldnt even make the UCL at all.

Bayern Munich was dumped out in the second round by an upcoming Ranieri's Chelsea team while Barcelona couldnt make it into the UCL knockout stages at all.

The 2004 UCL final was played between Porto and Monaco, (more like a group stage tie). In fact the semi-finalists were Porto, Deportivo, Monaco and Ranieri's Chelsea. Go figure.

So yes, again you are the ignorant one and stop sounding like you understand football very well when you have a poor knowledge of its history!

I just tire...people that started watching foot ball yesterday would argue blindly.

PHijo:
Why has the champions league eluded Pep in all the teams he coached after Barcelona but Jose won it with several teams including an underdog like Porto?

It tells you there are qualities Pep lacks.

WhIch several teams? Several means more than 2 teams. Only won with Porto and Inter Milan

Akuruoulo:
And they also won the champions league which he couldn't . What happened when barca had SUAREZ, NEYMAR AND MESSI ? WAS THIS BE4 OR AFTER PEP ? HOW MANY TEAMS WON THEY BUNDESLIGA AFTER HE LEFT ? WHY GIVE A TEAM WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ? WHY DID HE LEFT BAYERN ? DIDN'T HIM CALL HIMSELF A FAILURE AT BAYERN ? WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF A FAILURE ?

Take it or leave it, Barca of Pep won more than SUAREZ, NEYMAR, MESSI u are talking about.

Baryern won ucl in 2013 and Pep got there immediately. U were expecting him to win it within 4 years cos he is a genius abi ? Before winning in 2013 do u know how many years Bayern have gone without winning UCL? Despite playing finals in 2010 and 2012.
If u think UCL is easy kindly ask Great Alex Ferguson why he won just 2 UCL in more than 25years of coaching one of the greatest club in the world.

U only want to judge Pep based on Ucl he won twice in his first 4 yrs of coaching but u dont want to look at other cup and league title he has won more than many coaches dead and alive. Its hypocrisy

Its just like saying Jose isnt Chelsea greatest coach cos he didnt win UCL with them. Does that make any sense ?

oyatainer:
No one is not an excuse since you know him to be the best coach that lift mediocre from slumber. Besides, Madrid were not mediocre and cos someone came to spend a year after him and won Champions league.

If you count Europa league for Mourinho and Premier league after two stints at Chelsea for Jose, then Pep owes none explanation as to why he never win champions league in City as long as he wins league and other trophies

You still don't get it bro. What Pep is winning at Manchester city is what the likes of pellegrini, Mancini etc have won in the past. If he must prove a point then he should do a special one like winning the champions league for the first time ever.

Beedude:
Take it or leave it, Barca of Pep won more than SUAREZ, NEYMAR, MESSI u are talking about.

Baryern won ucl in 2013 and Pep got there immediately. U were expecting him to win it within 4 years cos he is a genius abi ? Before winning in 2013 do u know how many years Bayern have gone without winning UCL? Despite playing finals in 2010 and 2012.
If u think UCL is easy kindly ask Great Alex Ferguson why he won just 2 UCL in more than 25years of coaching one of the greatest club in the world.

U only want to judge Pep based on Ucl he won twice in his first 4 yrs of coaching but u dont want to look at other cup and league title he has won more than many coaches dead and alive. Its hypocrisy

Its just like saying Jose isnt Chelsea greatest coach cos he didnt win UCL with them. Does that make any sense ?

and ZZ WON IT 4 IN 5YEARS. NO EXCUSES. PEP IS GOOD AND AVERAGE .

lugzii:
WhIch several teams? Several means more than 2 teams. Only won with Porto and Inter Milan

At least more teams than Guardiola

Beedude:
U didnt know he started with Barca B team and his team were successful and was among team to be promoted to La liga. The only stumbling block was the rule that wont allow a club field 2 teams in same Division.

That's not the first time Barca B will qualify. Talk another one

obonujoker:
You lie.

Man utd 2004
Arsenal 2004
Barcelona 2004
Madrid 2004
AC Milan 2004
Valencia 2004
Bayern 2004
Liverpool 2004

All having torrid time??

Barca fans though and lies

The guy is a clown lol

paulolee:
thats his opinion even if we all know that the opinion is clouded by sentiments because of his personal beef with pep especially after pep dumped him out of barca team after playing a key role in barca UCL Victory..
Eto deserved more from pep and pep got it all wrong by swapping him with zlatan that failed in barca and dt was one of pep mistake in his barca days..
pep n eto once had disagreement because I remembered a season that la liga was already won with points and barca still had UCL engagements to attend to, pep started resting Eto in league games BT Eto wasnt happy because he was competing with forlan for the pichichi award dt forlan went ahead and won..
Eto was angry n blasted pep who said Eto is selfish for placing himself first before the team and went ahead to dump him the following season for a stubborn zlatan..
Eto won countless trophies with pep playing a key role than he did with mou, and besides milito was the key player for inter while Eto was his supporting cast..

baba i hope say u don marry oo cos with this analysis i know say u be elder

paulolee:
pls don start this lame argument...which mourinho are talking about?? the same mourinho dt couldn't win a UCL with his star studded madrid n won just a league in 3 seasons against pep or the same mourinho dt flopped badly in his return to Chelsea and his stint with man.u??
even if you hate pep, try n be constructive with ur criticism...pep hardly goes a season without a trophy and DTS commendable because he also knows how to build team that plays beautiful football which isnt easy, or do you think a mourinho would build a machine in ethihad and dominate England like pep did from the start of his city job??
you are saying ranieri is better than pep because he won EPL wit smaller team forgetting that mou and pep once moved to the city of manchester at the same time, both coaches had money and resources, pep built a ruthless team n won "all" trophies in england in his first 2 seasons but we all know how it ended with mourinho on the other side..
pls you should have some respect on pep because even if he isnt the best, he is more tactical than mourinho...
FACT- mourinho have lost to pep more than any other manager he had faced....means pep Is doing something right

A lot of false claim in your post .. firstly, Mourinho didn't flop on returning to Chelsea and Man-u...he won EPL and Carling cup in the same season on his 2nd spell with Chelsea..He won 3 trophies with Man-U and finished second in his 2nd season with those crappy players...
Mourinho is a world class coach and he is the best in terms of everything...

Mustiboy:
Which several teams? Morinho only won UCL with Porto and Inter, and, no, Porto wasn't an underdog team the time they won it with Morinho. Porto, Ajax, Bayern, and AC Milan were some of the best teams in Europe as at that time.

So how many semi finals did Porto reach 5 years before Mourinho came?