paulolee:

joker...pep did more than 100 points for 2 seasons that's never done in the history of EPL..
pep city had the longest winning streak before it was broken by klopp and pep city won that league with a total of 100+ goals that you have not seen before in EPL..
we all know his only fault is not winning dt UCL bt pls dnt ever talk down on pep because he built city to a winning machine unlike ur mourinho dt left chelsea in 16 position and left man.u because of his boring tactics..
pep always leave teams on a good note, and i have never heard him being sacked or leaving a team because he failed to perform like ur mourinho do face..
mourinho started before pep and pep still had more trophies than him, pep is ahead in their head to head ratings and still dnt know what you guys are talking about..

Go and check how many goals ancelotti won the epl with for chelsea lol

ThierryJay:


Bros you are the ignorant one here and that guy you quoted is actually right.

In 2003/2004 UCL, all the big teams flopped:

Real Madrid was eliminated by Monaco in the QF, Man utd was eliminated by Porto in the final match of the group stage.

AC Milan was dumped out by Deportivo La Coruna while Liverpool couldnt even make the UCL at all.

Bayern Munich was dumped out in the second round by an upcoming Ranieri's Chelsea team while Barcelona couldnt make it into the UCL knockout stages at all.

The 2004 UCL final was played between Porto and Monaco, (more like a group stage tie). In fact the semi-finalists were Porto, Deportivo, Monaco and Ranieri's Chelsea. Go figure.

So yes, again you are the ignorant one and stop sounding like you understand football very well when you have a poor knowledge of its history!

bros you are actually spot on and accurately correct, 2004 is actually a tough year and is being referred to as year of underdogs, Greece won the Euro that year sef.

obonujoker:


What record does Pep have that Mou doesn't??

Pep has a better record than Mourinho head to head.

www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2019/05/12/5cd85a9f268e3e622c8b45bb.html

www.90min.com/posts/pep-guardiola-vs-jose-mourinho-complete-head-to-head-record

ThierryJay:


Your response is totally out of sync with what we are discussing. Are you sure you are not mistaking my post for sb else's? What I'm putting to you is that all the big teams flopped/were not in form during 2003/2004 UCL. You said they didn't and I'm saying they did, with facts. Then you go off-tangent with the above.

At the beginning of the ucl 2004 season.... Would you have placed Porto amongst the teams to reach quarter or semi finals??

paulolee:

joker...pep did more than 100 points for 2 seasons that's never done in the history of EPL..
pep city had the longest winning streak before it was broken by klopp and pep city won that league with a total of 100+ goals that you have not seen before in EPL..
we all know his only fault is not winning dt UCL bt pls dnt ever talk down on pep because he built city to a winning machine unlike ur mourinho dt left chelsea in 16 position and left man.u because of his boring tactics..
pep always leave teams on a good note, and i have never heard him being sacked or leaving a team because he failed to perform like ur mourinho do face..
mourinho started before pep and pep still had more trophies than him, pep is ahead in their head to head ratings and still dnt know what you guys are talking about..

Mou already did 100 points before pep ever did in any top league , and Mou already scored over 100 goals in a European league before Pep did.

People rate Mou because of his achievement with Porto... Pep can never do it

paulolee:

u said my mind bro....Eto was the main striker in barca team dt won all trophies more than that mourinho team that won few trophies and he played as a supporting cast to milito who was the the key man..
Eto is simply allowing old beef to cloud his opinion..

do u now know better than him, he has said his own

paulolee:

pls don start this lame argument...which mourinho are talking about?? the same mourinho dt couldn't win a UCL with his star studded madrid n won just a league in 3 seasons against pep or the same mourinho dt flopped badly in his return to Chelsea and his stint with man.u??
even if you hate pep, try n be constructive with ur criticism...pep hardly goes a season without a trophy and DTS commendable because he also knows how to build team that plays beautiful football which isnt easy, or do you think a mourinho would build a machine in ethihad and dominate England like pep did from the start of his city job??
you are saying ranieri is better than pep because he won EPL wit smaller team forgetting that mou and pep once moved to the city of manchester at the same time, both coaches had money and resources, pep built a ruthless team n won "all" trophies in england in his first 2 seasons but we all know how it ended with mourinho on the other side..
pls you should have some respect on pep because even if he isnt the best, he is more tactical than mourinho...
FACT- mourinho have lost to pep more than any other manager he had faced....means pep Is doing something right

how many season did pep dominate England, don't forget mou dominated England in his first season in England and still come back again and dominate. I bet you guardiola can't win a trophy with Chelsea squad then, even the Milan squad that won the treble under mou, guardiola can't achieve it with that kind of squad. While guardiola is a type of coach that build a team with expensive players, mou can easily grind out result with any availability of players. Just as he is doing in Tottenham right now. Guodiola can't manage the current Tottenham team without spending heavily on the team. Though I prefer Guodiola but I think in terms of using average players to grind out result, I will give it to mou

obonujoker:


What record does Pep have that Mou doesn't??

Sextuple??

donbrowser:


Go and check how many goals ancelotti won the epl with for chelsea lol

he did it wit 102 goals dt was eclips by pep and city holds the records with 106 goals till date...anytin else??

obonujoker:


Mou already did 100 points before pep ever did in any top league , and Mou already scored over 100 goals in a European league before Pep did.

People rate Mou because of his achievement with Porto... Pep can never do it

mou first did the 100 point mark, pep did, juve with conte did and pep did it again in city two times....
mou scored over a 100 goals, pep also did it in barca and twice in city, klopp did it too, ancelotti scored same too but the difference is dt pep is still doing It again in city, pep currently holds the record for most goals scored at 104 in EPL and he once held the record of more points before klopp broke it last season...
mou is still active after his madrid spell and I wonder why he stop doing those figures, .maybe he is incharge with low budget smaller clubs like chelsea and man.u as you guys always say..

paulolee:

he did it wit 102 goals dt was eclips by pep and city holds the records with 106 goals till date...anytin else??

You said no one did it before guardiola came to city

obonujoker:


Mou already did 100 points before pep ever did in any top league , and Mou already scored over 100 goals in a European league before Pep did.

People rate Mou because of his achievement with Porto... Pep can never do it

The guy is obviously depending on Google. Just leave him.

Numerouno94:


Tanx for remembering me. Gaspirini is doin a wonderful job. I luv gud football.

Gasperini was one coach morinho praised his tactical nous when he was still with inter. Fact!

I have been taking your long talk as grammars and then boom! I stumbled on "milito ".Milito that year
Chei you no need talk much, you don watch ball teh. Respect

paulolee:
thats his opinion even if we all know that the opinion is clouded by sentiments because of his personal beef with pep especially after pep dumped him out of barca team after playing a key role in barca UCL Victory..
Eto deserved more from pep and pep got it all wrong by swapping him with zlatan that failed in barca and dt was one of pep mistake in his barca days..
pep n eto once had disagreement because I remembered a season that la liga was already won with points and barca still had UCL engagements to attend to, pep started resting Eto in league games BT Eto wasnt happy because he was competing with forlan for the pichichi award dt forlan went ahead and won..
Eto was angry n blasted pep who said Eto is selfish for placing himself first before the team and went ahead to dump him the following season for a stubborn zlatan..
Eto won countless trophies with pep playing a key role than he did with mou, and besides milito was the key player for inter while Eto was his supporting cast..

obonujoker:


At the beginning of the ucl 2004 season.... Would you have placed Porto amongst the teams to reach quarter or semi finals??

Oga, Porto isn't part of the traditional big teams even though they had very good players then and a very good coach in Mourinho then. But this isnt my argument with you so why are you shifting goalposts??

Despite my acknowledgement of their good players and coach, many football experts believe Porto benefited from the fall of the big weight teams to other teams after the second round and Porto did not play any big team from the QF to the final (Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco). That's why there's been a big "what if" question mark about the merits of Porto's UCL win in 2004.

laribari:


Facts only!!!

Pep has not won the UCL in over 6 years since leaving Messi and barca. 3 years at Bayern without a final and 4 at city now with a single ucl final. we are not talking of winning it o, just enter final he cannot.

Watch all the managers that coached Messi when he was still messi, they all won UCL. Messi makes every coach look so good just as CR7 when he was hot too. Since he left, Madrid is struggling to win anything until barca single handedly dashed them la liga last season, Zidane yansh sef for open.

I always say it, Pep is nothing without messi but people dey argue and i have told them to ask Pep to prove me wrong but he still haven't. Two german coaches won UCL with that Bayern team pre and post pep era, meanwhile the almighty pep couldn't make a single final in 6 years plus.

Mourinho has reached the Carling cup final with spurs now, don't be surprised he will win it. Spurs haven't won anything for years and like you said, Jose gives a team what they do need. always something new and special.

Meanwhile, Pep is still chasing old messi to join him at city maybe he can finally win the UCL.

That means Di Mateo, Anceloti and Zidane are a way better than Mourinho because he couldn't win Champions league with the teams they easily won with.

If not for Pep many barca players will just be shadows of themselves.

As for Man city,it will be difficult for Pep unless he does what Klopp does in Liverpool.scale of preference.

oyatainer:


That means Di Mateo, Anceloti and Zidane are a way better than Mourinho because he couldn't win Champions league with the teams they easily won with.

If not for Pep many barca players will just be shadows of themselves.

As for Man city,it will be difficult for Pep unless he does what Klopp does in Liverpool.scale of preference.

I will rather say PEP was luck to have those characteristic of players he had at Barca. Xavi, Iniesta, Messi especially. Since he left barca, how many big players has he created? what trade mark pattern of play did he take to man city and Bayern? Only barca played the tiki taka. why? Then he had players that can play it, players (Xavi & Iniesta) who are more interested in total completed passes than to score a goal. players who play for possession, so they created a unique style. same style that PEP couoldn't create at Bayern and City. They play pass game but it is nothing compared to the trade mark of xavi and Iniesta barcelona.

Anceloti is better than Jose before naa.

Di Mateo is not proven and we all saw that he won it with luck. As a Chelsea fan myself, Chelsea is the only team they have won the UCL in a controversial manner. people still refuse to give us credit becos of the style/pattern we used in winning it.

I have addressed Zidane, he is another over rated coach. let him win it without CR7 then i will know that the back to back to back was not fluke.
Ask yourself, in the 3 years Zidane won it who emerged as top scorer in the UCL? Cristiano Ronaldo. who won the semi final and final games for Madrid? CR7 + BALE combination. CR7 made Zidane just like Pep.

I am not saying Pep shouldn't be rated but he is clearly overrated. when you replicate something in different leagues and clubs then i know it's not fluke and that is why Zidane is overrated for me.

paulolee:

u said my mind bro....Eto was the main striker in barca team dt won all trophies more than that mourinho team that won few trophies and he played as a supporting cast to milito who was the the key man..
Eto is simply allowing old beef to cloud his opinion..

Eto was the main striker but Messi took all the awards. Whyyyy?

DelphiOracle:
Eto was the main striker but Messi took all the awards. Whyyyy?

maybe because messi performed both as a winger and a striker and he was the link between the midfield and the attack..
messi won less awards during Eto time in barca, messi started winning individual awards during the last season dt eto spent in barca after barca won man.u in rome..
I dnt tink messi won pichichi during eto time in barca, it was after Eto.left and pep converted messi to a false 9, dt messi started winning all awards..
u asking asif cr7 isnt winning all goals awards and records in the presence of benzema playing as the main striker..

emusmithyy:


He inherited Xavi, Iniesta & Puyol. These 3 are enough

Only Puyol was a starter then. Go and check it. Xavi and Iniesta were not recognised then where Ronaldinho, Deco, and others were.

I follow Barca and never miss any of their game sìnce 2006.

Pep even had few disappointing weeks before he rose that time.

The guy is a genius jàre, believe it or not. Almost all the coaches praise or castigating him for what he had turn football into.

I can still remember what Sir Ferguson and M. Allegri said about Pep's era in football.

laribari:


I will rather say PEP was luck to have those characteristic of players he had at Barca. Xavi, Iniesta, Messi especially. Since he left barca, how many big players has he created? what trade mark pattern of play did he take to man city and Bayern? Only barca played the tiki taka. why? Then he had players that can play it, players (Xavi & Iniesta) who are more interested in total completed passes than to score a goal. players who play for possession, so they created a unique style. same style that PEP couoldn't create at Bayern and City. They play pass game but it is nothing compared to the trade mark of xavi and Iniesta barcelona.

Anceloti is better than Jose before naa.

Di Mateo is not proven and we all saw that he won it with luck. As a Chelsea fan myself, Chelsea is the only team they have won the UCL in a controversial manner. people still refuse to give us credit becos of the style/pattern we used in winning it.

I have addressed Zidane, he is another over rated coach. let him win it without CR7 then i will know that the back to back to back was not fluke.
Ask yourself, in the 3 years Zidane won it who emerged as top scorer in the UCL? Cristiano Ronaldo. who won the semi final and final games for Madrid? CR7 + BALE combination. CR7 made Zidane just like Pep.

I am not saying Pep shouldn't be rated but he is clearly overrated. when you replicate something in different leagues and clubs then i know it's not fluke and that is why Zidane is overrated for me.

The biggest laughable of your claims is that only Barca played tiki taka,when many pundits and coaches openly said it in England that Pep spoil football with boring tiki taka that almost every team operates now.

Hope you know that 80 percent of goalkeepers no longer play what Cech used to do to Drogba that time, Kick and follow.

Now in Premier league, only Tottenham of Mourinho, Burnley, Sheffield United and few others play typical English football. Football has evolved Jàre, all thanks to Pep Oluomo Guardiola.

The person who built a team that send Ferguson to early retirement in coaching.

oyatainer:


The biggest laughable of your claims is that only Barca played tiki taka,when many pundits and coaches openly said it in England that Pep spoil football with boring tiki taka that almost every team operates now.

Hope you know that 80 percent of goalkeepers no longer play what Cech used to do to Drogba that time, Kick and follow.

Now in Premier league, only Tottenham of Mourinho, Burnley, Sheffield United and few others play typical English football. Football has evolved Jàre, all thanks to Pep Oluomo Guardiola.

The person who built a team that send Ferguson to early retirement in coaching.

I disagree 100% with you. you are not talking to a novice oo!

Mind you, what barca play was only tagged tiki taka by spanish press but they didn't start it sef. It was originally called TOTAL FOOTBALL invented by Dutch. The evolution of that pattern at barca started under Johan Cruyf, then Rijkaard. this was the same pattern Ajax used to conquer the world with finidi and kanu. Watch what Ajax play today, it is the same pattern.

The only difference with pep team is that he had 2 types of players he cannot find again in xavi and iniesta. This ones are only interested in counting total pass completed, they know how to keep the ball well. in as much as i wanna agree with you that pep made it very popular (in this modern era), still that total football has been in existence and rather than give the credit to pep, i will give it to the players he had then because since they left he hasn't been able to play anything near what his team played then. do not forget that Pep played under Cruyf and has known about total football before now.

what every other teams play today is high pressing, that is not really tiki taka. even LFC style is called gen-gen pressing by foreign media. in as much as barca does the high press, they keep 98% of the ball (that's the tiki taka) and play in your half the whole time. what you see these days are teams pressing high, then later track back and hit you on the counter. Even lfc is devasting at counter but the tiki taka don't play counter, they surpress you that you cannot even come out. they play 100% in your own half. you cannot push them back. they complete twice as many passes that their opposing team accumulate. The high press is to quickly recover the ball but the tiki taka is the passing and possession base football. they keep the ball away from you almost 100%. they were flawless with xavi and iniesta.


what is total football?

Iconic footballer Johan Cruyff made the philosophy famous during his playing career, and propelled Dutch football from obscurity to global stardom.

see the definition of the then total football, it is what transformed into tiki taka and high pressing. it was invented by the dutch and thats what their teams play even national team. Pep was a player under Johan Cruyf where he learnt the formulae. and total football is 4-4-3 same as high press. every player can switch wing due to the flexibility of retaining and keeping possession.