Abohboy:


Slavery existed but nothing the form of the Atlantic slave trade, in Africa slavery happened when they beat others in war, and these people refused to assimilate into the empire like they renounced the king if they accepted him then they wouldn’t be enslaved there was no southern Nigeria slave trade prove it to me, they never traded slaves before the Europeans came they fought each other in wars every now and then and took slaves from the empire but in most cases the people either became warriors for the kingdom, farmers for the kingdom gave the peopl knowledge or were actually slaves because they had no skills and refused to join the empire

codemaniacs:


Slavery started in northern Africa after the fall of Egypt around the 10th century, the entire northern and north eastern Africa fell into slavery and e:uropeans and the euro-arabs enslaved northern Africans and taught them i:slam.

it was after they enslaved northern Africans then 800 years later ( late 1700s, early 1800s or 18 century ) they used the descendants of those northern Africans who were now m:uslims to attack the southwards and that's when conflict started happening across Africa...

the people who were enslaved in the 15th century were African Americans and other Africans on the American continent...

codemaniacs:


Slavery started in northern Africa after the fall of Egypt around the 10th century, the entire northern and north eastern Africa fell into slavery and e:uropeans and the euro-arabs enslaved northern Africans and taught them i:slam.

it was after they enslaved northern Africans then 800 years later ( late 1700s, early 1800s or 18 century ) they used the descendants of those northern Africans who were now m:uslims to attack the southwards and that's when conflict started happening across Africa...

the people who were enslaved in the 15th century were African Americans and other Africans on the American continent...

jln115:
........"The traditional slave trade in Southern Nigeria preceded the arrival of European influence"

Abohboy:


I like how you can’t interpret simple english he said Christians are also members as well as Muslims meaning it is both a Christian and Muslim problem meaning it is a Nigerian problem not an Islamic one. Shut the Bleep up and go and learn some basic English.

Abohboy:


Okay let me look again, modifying this okay I checked again but it still didn’t provide evidence of this it just said it I don’t accept anecdotes without any data. Say anything you want but unless you provide artefacts, paintings, depictions, arts or any scholarly mentions I will honestly disregard it but you are right the Wikipedia article did say thst but if I’m honest I could easily go and edit it if I wanted to to say what ever I want it to say so Wikipedia isn’t a very good source just saying

Abohboy:


Provide evidence artefacts, depictions, scripts, books anything not just some Wikipedia article I thought you were smarter than this obviously not

Abohboy:


They did use those as money they didn’t use those gems and emeralds etc. As money they used those in their artefacts and as designs for their palace, go and research some history and see what I mean

jln115:
........"The traditional slave trade in Southern Nigeria preceded the arrival of European influence"

tylann:

Who banned you

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


He was banned on another thread. Because of his massive Lines something is written in a report he will change the story around

Abohboy:


No the people who’s ere enslaved in the 15th century were Africans taken to America not African Americans on the American continent there would be no African Americans unless the trans Atlantic slave trade happened stop trying to change history and just face the facts.

jln115:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53444752

"Buying and selling of human beings among the Igbo had been going on long before the Europeans arrived."

codemaniacs:


that's your truth not mine...

you are entitled to your opinion and your truth...

codemaniacs:


No, Africans were already on the American continent...

if Africans were already enslaved and if what you're saying is correct then why will they bring slaves from U.S, caribbeans e.t.c to Africa as "returned slaves" in other for them to do slave work in Africa

let me answer that for you, its because majority of west Africans were not working as slaves for the e:uropeans... so the e:uropeans brought people from the American continent whom they had enslaved to Africa.

I am not trying to change history, you're the one that believes Africans are too dull that they could never have reached the American continent on their own...

I hope you all the continents except Australia are connected by land and even Australia has indigenous black people.

Abohboy:


Notice how it said for debts, crimes or as punishment. Whereas the translantic slave trade was just random they just enslaved people and that’s among the igbos who I haven’t made much reference to, I have focused mainly on Oyo empire, ile ife and the Benin empire also thst woman is what we call a coon, point ended,


Slavery in Africa was different from slavery elsewhere slavery i Africa was based off of wars, punishments or if you were indebted in such a way that the king had to be called to attention and you would work under them until you were able to pay off the debt that was an igbo thing not a Nigerian or west African thing as a whole. Also the Nri empire which was a religious igbo empire which expanded through religion and no war, helped to free slaves any captured people who walked through the boundaries of nri were freed and were allowed to stay there.

jln115:
Slavery is Slavery...........and it existed in Nigeria and the rest of Africa long before Europeans came!

Abohboy:


You haven’t provided for the rest of Nigeria you only provided evidence for the igbos, Efik and ibibio in fact give me until tomorrow morning and I’ll bring you evidence thst the nri empire were against slavery

jln115:
I don't have to provide evidence for the rest of Nigeria...........You said slavery didn't exist in Africa/West Africa/Nigeria/Lagos until the 15th century(when Europeans came)...........Now stop shifting the goal posts and accept your defeat like a man

Abohboy:


Okay I accept I lost, but the point still stands that it wasn’t as rampant which was part of the point at the start that things like slavery, robbery, murder, rape, genocide war etc, weren’t ad rampant before the Europeans came.

Abohboy:


I don’t believe Africans were too dull, the Oyo empire, Kongo empire and Mali empire all had links to America they were active,t traded with the americas as far back as the 12th century, they got to the americas first what I’m challenging is the population of them. Also the slaves that came back to Africa didn’t come back to work the fields in Africa they came back as freedmen to Africa. You cannot deny the trans Atlantic slave trade they took over 20 million Africans from Africa and took them to the americas that cannot be denied do not put words in my mouth I have been researching African history for a few years now and I plan to study it additionally at university if time allows.

gallivant:


The pictures making you scream Indians.

jln115:
Its a fact not an opinion

Abohboy:


I don’t believe Africans were too dull, the Oyo empire, Kongo empire and Mali empire all had links to America they were active,t traded with the americas as far back as the 12th century, they got to the americas first what I’m challenging is the population of them. Also the slaves that came back to Africa didn’t come back to work the fields in Africa they came back as freedmen to Africa. You cannot deny the trans Atlantic slave trade they took over 20 million Africans from Africa and took them to the americas that cannot be denied do not put words in my mouth I have been researching African history for a few years now and I plan to study it additionally at university if time allows.

jln115:
It was just as rampant in Africa as it was in Europe.......same with murder, robbery and genocide!!

People are people, Africans certainly weren't more or less peaceful than Europeans were

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


Homogeneous look at one of your friends

codemaniacs:


if you don't have the balls and pride to deny it then I do...

you've have been reading history written by racists and you have accepted their version of history as your truth... that's your truth.

how would over 20 million africans be tied and sent to America without war against the e:uropeans...

Africans especially west africans are very tribal if you attack one west african more west africans of the same ethnicity will attack and those of other ethnicity will call on the bigger ethnicities for help...

if the "trans Atlantic slave trade" was true then the yoruba empire, igbo empire, bini empire, akan empire e.t.c.. would have fallen in the 1500s and not early 1900s..

jln115:
It was just as rampant in Africa as it was in Europe.......same with murder, robbery and genocide!!

People are people, Africans certainly weren't more or less peaceful than Europeans were

NairobiWalker:


If it suits your peabrain, then make a fool of yourself. Only a fool would compare the two - and 80% of Ibadan looks like that - You can zoom anywhere in Ibadan on Google maps and it looks like that. Ibadan is shitty like most cities in Nigeria.

Abohboy:


Interesting views, but then what about the slave ships and the slave plantations in America, where did they get the slaves to work on these plantations in America unless you believe that they enslaved the Africans already living in the americas which would be interesting but you still have to look at the slave ports

codemaniacs:


the people who were enslaved in the 15th century were African Americans and other Africans on the American continent...

codemaniacs:


geeeezzz, that's what I said earlier....



the slave ports were an after thought to put the blame on West Africans and turn African Americans against West Africans...

some parts of togo, ghana, benin republic and SW nigeria would have been one nation but all this places have their own slave ports..

in reality, every slave would have been transported through one port...

the slave ships were also an after thought... Africans in that era will have been able to swim, so they will have jumped off and swam away but since Africans were at war with the e:uropeans, Africans will have attacked the ships by swimming to it and sinking it from the bottom and also using African made guns...