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Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 8:32pm On Jan 28, 2021
zoedew:


Two wrongs dont make aright

218. (1) The powers of the President as the Commissioner-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federation shall include power to determine the operational use of the armed forces of the Federation.

(2) The powers conferred on the President by subsection (1) of this section shall include power to appoint the Chief of Defence staff, the Chief of Army Staff, the Chief of Naval Staff, the Chief of Air Staff and heads of any other branches of the armed forces of the Federation as may be established by an Act of the National Assembly.

(3) The President may, by directions in writing and subject to such conditions as he think fit, delegate to any member of the armed forces of the Federation his powers relating to the operational use of the Armed Forces of the Federation.



Sorry sir,that is what the constitution specifies
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by lagosrd: 8:44pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

How come the feat was not repeated in mafia dole.

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Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by tetralogyfallot(m): 8:45pm On Jan 28, 2021
BecomeALandLord:


Oh ethnicity has to come into it.
That's because Nigeria is not a one ethnic country.
Every appointment has to be equal and spread across all ethnic groups.

A northerner just vacated the post, it's wise to bring in someone from the west, south or east.
its a very sensitive post and the president has the absolute power to choose whom he sees fit regardless of religion or ethnicity. U can only give those kinda sensitive post to a very loyal person u trust so I c no fault in what he did. Let's just hope n pray that this change brings the much anticipated peace in the north east and Nigeria at large. We want peace regardless of tribe n religion. May God bless us with peace.

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Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Coinbased: 8:49pm On Jan 28, 2021
hmmmm
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by FireTheMods: 8:59pm On Jan 28, 2021
sadT
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Yankee101: 9:01pm On Jan 28, 2021
Why resume before senate confirmation?
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by gbagyiza: 9:01pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Even with those eyes in the picture make me no trust am
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by zoghys: 9:31pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Story for the gods, #yimu
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Whoube99(f): 9:37pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

See this one! So he was that efficient, but was changed barely six months after he was appointed theatre commander of operation lafiya dole due to underperformance.
Tell us something new abeg..!
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by solonubinho(m): 10:15pm On Jan 28, 2021
Patiently waiting for posts like "5 things you didn't know about Ibrahim Attahiru, the new Chief of Army Staff". awon posts radarada.
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by ablejesus26(m): 10:37pm On Jan 28, 2021
Dansuqi:


You lie sir.can you point out anywhere in the constitution where it said that the service chiefs must be screened by nass? Has there been in a time since 1960 when nass screened service chiefs! Do you realize that the constitution supercedes even the ruling of that funny high court judge?

I beg to dissident sir though i am not very cognizant with the Constitutional inflows and inplays but you sure would also not be more proficient in this matter than Mr falana

you might want to do a little check and evaluation on
Section 218
(1; 2; 4 [ a & b] ) of the Constitution

And while doing so i urge you to have an hankering and appetency to want to learn without sentiments
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by solonubinho(m): 10:44pm On Jan 28, 2021
ablejesus26:


I beg to dissident sir though i am not very cognizant with the Constitutional inflows and inplays but you sure would also not be more proficient in this matter than Mr falana

you might want to do a little check and evaluation on
Section 218
(1; 2; 4 [ a & b] ) of the Constitution

And while doing so i urge you to have an hankering and appetency to want to learn without sentiments

I beg to DISSENT. It's I beg to DISSENT!
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 10:49pm On Jan 28, 2021
ablejesus26:


I beg to dissident sir though i am not very cognizant with the Constitutional inflows and inplays but you sure would also not be more proficient in this matter than Mr falana

you might want to do a little check and evaluation on
Section 218
(1; 2; 4 [ a & b] ) of the Constitution

And while doing so i urge you to have an hankering and appetency to want to learn without sentiments


218. (1) The powers of the President as the Commissioner-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federation shall include power to determine the operational use of the armed forces of the Federation.

(2) The powers conferred on the President by subsection (1) of this section shall include power to appoint the Chief of Defence staff, the Chief of Army Staff, the Chief of Naval Staff, the Chief of Air Staff and heads of any other branches of the armed forces of the Federation as may be established by an Act of the National Assembly.

(3) The President may, by directions in writing and subject to such conditions as he think fit, delegate to any member of the armed forces of the Federation his powers relating to the operational use of the Armed Forces of the Federation.



Please read the above and compare it with the sections that talks about appointment of ministers,cjn and ambassadors which clearly states that the president must seek senate approval.dont forget the constitution supercedes court rulings or any subsidiary law like the armed forces law.falana cannot know more than the legion of sans advising gej and pmb since 2021..the president is right here,that judgment is tantamount to judicial rascality or madness.only the supreme court has the power to settle such constitutional matters which has ambiguities. But unfortunately,this matter is unambiguous,it is clear and the supreme court has ruled in favour of the status quo in similar cases.it is tantamount to legislative usurpation of executive powers
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by ablejesus26(m): 10:50pm On Jan 28, 2021
solonubinho:


I beg to DISSENT. It's I beg to DISSENT!

If i am disapproving and expostulating your opinion on a political discuss then its more appropriate to use dissident

thanks anyway for your thought
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 10:51pm On Jan 28, 2021
Whoube99:


See this one! So he was that efficient, but was changed barely six months after he was appointed theatre commander of operation lafiya dole due to underperformance.
Tell us something new abeg..!

Due you realize that his successors performed worse than him
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 10:52pm On Jan 28, 2021
Yankee101:
Why resume before senate confirmation?

When has Senate ever confirmed service chiefs
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Sammyblaq(m): 10:56pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Very Laughable.

This is like one drone Coy boss coming on air to say that applying drone will curb insecurity in this jungle in 3months.

Akuko!.
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by solonubinho(m): 11:00pm On Jan 28, 2021
ablejesus26:


If i am disapproving and expostulating your opinion on a political discuss then its more appropriate to use dissident

thanks anyway for your thought

I agree with you but Dissident is a noun. You can't use it in place of a verb. Sho get?
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Uncleodi(m): 11:01pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.


Sarcasm..lol
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by ablejesus26(m): 11:05pm On Jan 28, 2021
Dansuqi:



218. (1) The powers of the President as the Commissioner-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federation shall include power to determine the operational use of the armed forces of the Federation.

(2) The powers conferred on the President by subsection (1) of this section shall include power to appoint the Chief of Defence staff, the Chief of Army Staff, the Chief of Naval Staff, the Chief of Air Staff and heads of any other branches of the armed forces of the Federation as may be established by an Act of the National Assembly.

(3) The President may, by directions in writing and subject to such conditions as he think fit, delegate to any member of the armed forces of the Federation his powers relating to the operational use of the Armed Forces of the Federation.



Please read the above and compare it with the sections that talks about appointment of ministers,cjn and ambassadors which clearly states that the president must seek senate approval.dont forget the constitution supercedes court rulings or any subsidiary law like the armed forces law.falana cannot know more than the legion of sans advising gej and pmb since 2021..the president is right here,that judgment is tantamount to judicial rascality or madness.only the supreme court has the power to settle such constitutional matters which has ambiguities. But unfortunately,this matter is unambiguous,it is clear and the supreme court has ruled in favour of the status quo in similar cases.it is tantamount to legislative usurpation of executive powers

Do a constructively religious study on the 2pt 1
and also this

219 of the Constitution. then follows by
providing thus: ” The National Assembly shall
– (a) in giving effect to the functions specified
in S.217 of this Const.; and (b) with respect to
the powers exercisable by the President under
S. 218 of this Constitution, by an Act, establish
a body which shall comprise such members as
the National Assembly may determine, and
which shall have power to ensure that the
composition of the armed forces of the
Federation shall reflect the federal character of
Nigeria in the manner prescribed in the said
Section 217 of this Constitution.”
Part VII of the Armed Forces Act, Cap A20,
Vol. 1, LFN, 2004 provides for
administration, government and command of
the armed forces. S.18 ( 1&2) of the Armed
Forces Act governs the appointment of the
service chiefs. It states that ” the President,
may , after consultation with the Chief of
Defence Staff and subject to confirmation by the
National Assembly, appoint such officers ( in
this Act referred to as ” the Service Chiefs”) as
he thinks fit, in whom the command of the
Army, Navy and Air Force, as the case may
be, and their reserves shall be vested; (2) The
Service Chiefs shall be known (a) in the case of
the Army, as the Chief of Army Staff; (b) in the
case of the Navy, as the Chief of Naval Staff;
and ( c) in the case of the Air Force, as the
Chief of Air Staff”

Its no head-scratcher that dis govt do not give a mite care for rule of law
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by SonOfTheRisingS: 11:16pm On Jan 28, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Look at this coward.

Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Yankee101: 11:30pm On Jan 28, 2021
Dansuqi:


When has Senate ever confirmed service chiefs


Part VII of the Armed Forces Act, Cap A20, Vol. 1, LFN, 2004  provides for administration, government and command of the armed forces.  S.18 ( 1&2) of the Armed Forces Act governs the appointment of the service chiefs. It states that ” the President, may , after consultation with the Chief of Defence Staff and subject to confirmation by the National Assembly, appoint such officers ( in this Act referred to as ” the Service Chiefs”) as he thinks fit, in  whom the command of the Army, Navy and Air Force, as the case may be, and their reserves shall be vested; (2) The Service Chiefs shall be known (a) in the case of the Army, as the Chief of Army Staff; (b) in the case of the Navy, as the Chief of Naval Staff;  and ( c) in the case of the Air Force, as the Chief of Air Staff”
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 12:21am On Jan 29, 2021
Yankee101:



Part VII of the Armed Forces Act, Cap A20, Vol. 1, LFN, 2004  provides for administration, government and command of the armed forces.  S.18 ( 1&2) of the Armed Forces Act governs the appointment of the service chiefs. It states that ” the President, may , after consultation with the Chief of Defence Staff and [b]subject to confirmation by the National Assembly, appoint such officers ( in this Act referred to as ” the Service Chiefs”) as he thinks fit, in  whom the command of the Army, Navy and Air Force, as the case may be, and their reserves shall be vested; (2) The Service Chiefs shall be known (a) in the case of the Army, as the Chief of Army Staff; (b) in the case of the Navy, as the Chief of Naval Staff;  and ( c) in the case of the Air Force, as the Chief of Air Staff”

218. (1) The powers of the President as the Commissioner-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federation shall include power to determine the operational use of the armed forces of the Federation.

(2) The powers conferred on the President by subsection (1) of this section shall include power to appoint the Chief of Defence staff, the Chief of Army Staff, the Chief of Naval Staff, the Chief of Air Staff and heads of any other branches of the armed forces of the Federation as may be established by an Act of the National Assembly.

(3) The President may, by directions in writing and subject to such conditions as he think fit, delegate to any member of the armed forces of the Federation his powers relating to the operational use of the Armed Forces of the Federation.[/b]

The above provision is from the constitution.it supercedes any other law like the armed forces act or court judgment.infact,any other law that is in conflict with the constitution is null and void.if the constitution wanted senate confirmation of service chiefs,it would have done so like in the case of ministers,chief justice or ambassadors.this debate is over
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 12:49am On Jan 29, 2021
ablejesus26:


Do a constructively religious study on the 2pt 1
and also this

219 of the Constitution. then follows by
providing thus: ” The National Assembly shall
– (a) in giving effect to the functions specified
in S.217 of this Const.; and (b) with respect to
the powers exercisable by the President under
S. 218 of this Constitution, by an Act, establish
a body which shall comprise such members as
the National Assembly may determine, and
which shall have power to ensure that the
composition of the armed forces of the
Federation shall reflect the federal character of
Nigeria in the manner prescribed in the said
Section 217 of this Constitution.”
Part VII of the Armed Forces Act, Cap A20,
Vol. 1, LFN, 2004 provides for
administration, government and command of
the armed forces. S.18 ( 1&2) of the Armed
Forces Act governs the appointment of the
service chiefs. It states that ” the President,
may , after consultation with the Chief of
Defence Staff and subject to confirmation by the
National Assembly, appoint such officers ( in
this Act referred to as ” the Service Chiefs”) as
he thinks fit, in whom the command of the
Army, Navy and Air Force, as the case may
be, and their reserves shall be vested; (2) The
Service Chiefs shall be known (a) in the case of
the Army, as the Chief of Army Staff; (b) in the
case of the Navy, as the Chief of Naval Staff;
and ( c) in the case of the Air Force, as the
Chief of Air Staff”

Its no head-scratcher that dis govt do not give a mite care for rule of law


Sorry sir,you are talking nonsense.buhari has clearly followed the law here,it is you that is being deceived by falana.read section 147 and section 231 which deals with the appointment of ministers and chief justice respectively,it clearly stated that those appointment are subject to senate confirmation.also look at section 154 which deals with appointment of members of several agencies like police council,njc,fcc etc and also look at section 238 and 249.dealing with appointment of heads of appeal and high courts.senate onfirmation is clearly specified.if the framers of the constitution wanted senate confirmation for service chiefs,they would have clearly stated so unambiguously...the whole of section 217 to 219 made no mention of that.
Infact,you misunderstood and misapprehended the intendment of section 219.it clearly stated that in pursuant to 217 and 218,the nass can through an act establish a body to make sure that the appointment of service chiefs reflect federal character.in my own thinking,the federal character commission takes care of that.this does not equate to nass screening...infact if you read subsection 3 of section 217,it also stated that the officer corps appointment should reflect federal character which leads us to 219.
Talking about the armed forces act,it is a settled law that any act that is inconsistent with the constitution is null and void.this applies to any court ruling also.take precedence from the 2020 judgment which freed orji uzor kalu where a provision of the acja was nullified by the supreme court for conflicting with the constitution....

Finally sir,when it comes to screening of appointees in the national assembly,only the senate do this.the house of reps do not screen appointees.if you look at the whole constitution, senate is carefully used when their confirmation is used.the common phrase is"the president will appoint subject to senate confirmation ".but when it comes to law making or making of any act,the word national assembly is used.you can spot the difference..subsection 2 of section 218 also states that the president will have the powers to appoint the heads of any other new security force that may enacted by the senate..
This argument is over.I have defeated you heavily.
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by BecomeALandLord(m): 5:56am On Jan 29, 2021
tetralogyfallot:
its a very sensitive post and the president has the absolute power to choose whom he sees fit regardless of religion or ethnicity. U can only give those kinda sensitive post to a very loyal person u trust so I c no fault in what he did. Let's just hope n pray that this change brings the much anticipated peace in the north east and Nigeria at large. We want peace regardless of tribe n religion. May God bless us with peace.

Amen.
You are absolutely correct.
Peace is more important.
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by pasol4real(m): 7:06am On Jan 29, 2021
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Rubbish
Same motherfu..... er that could not capture shekau in his own country is who you want us to believe has a hand in apprehending osama bin laden.
This one’s tenure am sure will be worst than his dumb predecessor....
Buhari is such a shameless failure
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by pasol4real(m): 7:10am On Jan 29, 2021
tetralogyfallot:
its a very sensitive post and the president has the absolute power to choose whom he sees fit regardless of religion or ethnicity. U can only give those kinda sensitive post to a very loyal person u trust so I c no fault in what he did. Let's just hope n pray that this change brings the much anticipated peace in the north east and Nigeria at large. We want peace regardless of tribe n religion. May God bless us with peace.
Would this have been your comment if you were from the region been marginalized?
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by tetralogyfallot(m): 7:19am On Jan 29, 2021
pasol4real:

Would this have been your comment if you were from the region been marginalized?
why not? Are boko haram selective when it comes to killings, do they kill from a particular religion alone. During Jonathan's regime the coas is kt minima did he crush boko haram? Why did president Jonathan removed general dambazzau a Muslim northerner and install general azubuike ihejirika?
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by ablejesus26(m): 7:44am On Jan 29, 2021
Dansuqi:



Sorry sir,you are talking nonsense.buhari has clearly followed the law here,it is you that is being deceived by falana.read section 147 and section 231 which deals with the appointment of ministers and chief justice respectively,it clearly stated that those appointment are subject to senate confirmation.also look at section 154 which deals with appointment of members of several agencies like police council,njc,fcc etc and also look at section 238 and 249.dealing with appointment of heads of appeal and high courts.senate onfirmation is clearly specified.if the framers of the constitution wanted senate confirmation for service chiefs,they would have clearly stated so unambiguously...the whole of section 217 to 219 made no mention of that.
Infact,you misunderstood and misapprehended the intendment of section 219.it clearly stated that in pursuant to 217 and 218,the nass can through an act establish a body to make sure that the appointment of service chiefs reflect federal character.in my own thinking,the federal character commission takes care of that.this does not equate to nass screening...infact if you read subsection 3 of section 217,it also stated that the officer corps appointment should reflect federal character which leads us to 219.
Talking about the armed forces act,it is a settled law that any act that is inconsistent with the constitution is null and void.this applies to any court ruling also.take precedence from the 2020 judgment which freed orji uzor kalu where a provision of the acja was nullified by the supreme court for conflicting with the constitution....

Finally sir,when it comes to screening of appointees in the national assembly,only the senate do this.the house of reps do not screen appointees.if you look at the whole constitution, senate is carefully used when their confirmation is used.the common phrase is"the president will appoint subject to senate confirmation ".but when it comes to law making or making of any act,the word national assembly is used.you can spot the difference..subsection 2 of section 218 also states that the president will have the powers to appoint the heads of any other new security force that may enacted by the senate..
This argument is over.I have defeated you heavily.

Well it would appear that you have a solid credence for this govt and i will not press further to make you see that this govt is notorious for faulting due process

I dont see defeat in an argument as this i only pick up one or two to learn

thank you anyways
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by ItswellMike: 8:36am On Jan 29, 2021
STOP THE LIES PLS
SilverNorGold:
Nice... E dun red for IPOB and Boko Haram terrorists! cheesy

Only if you guys know who Major General Ibrahim Attahiru is... According to a source in the US secret service, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru played a vital role in the demise of Osama Bin Laden... He was subsequently wooed by the US, but he turned down the offer, insisting he's committed to the Federal Republic of Nigeria..

A Mighty Man of Valor - this man, Major General Ibrahim Attahiru...

God bless you boss!
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Re: Ibrahim Attahiru Resumes As Chief Of Army Staff by Dansuqi: 8:44am On Jan 29, 2021
ablejesus26:


Well it would appear that you have a solid credence for this govt and i will not press further to make you see that this govt is notorious for faulting due process

I dont see defeat in an argument as this i only pick up one or two to learn

thank you anyways

Before you depart,understand me.while I agree that the government is notorious for faulting due process esp court orders,they are right on this after all they have always sent the names of ministers,ambassadors and other appointees to the senate.

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