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bhella10:
How stereotypical can you be? What's Trump gotta do with Buhari? You are such an A hole.

Crimrburster:
Trump is the best, he's got the balls. Only the terrorists hates him.

For those of you quoting me, you can all go to hell with Buhari your terrorist president.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Are the so called scandals Obama had impeachable offences?Also how was the nuclear deal botched when it was not only him that made the deal what are you even saying?As far as I am concerned Trump is a devil and also many American lawyers will disagree with you so you are saying that if a president commits insurrection a day to his leaving office he cannot be held accountable have you not heard that Trump supporters arrested are blaming Trump for what happened.A president's term expires when he leaves office he was impeached while in office and committed the acts he was impeached for while in office so what exactly is your point that he cannot be tried when it is clear it happened during the time of his presidency.Have you not seen world leaders jailed or questioned for things they did while in office even when they left the seat?So what are you saying many American lawyers have brought valid reasons why Trump can be tried.

Oh I do research I like to research facts not hearsay or conspiracies

brightalo1010:
You only added Buhari in the comment just for likes, if not tell me if it is Buhari that told the lawyers to quit. Mad man.

Crimrburster:
Trump is the best, he's got the balls. Only the terrorists hates him.

For those of you quoting me, you can all go to hell with Buhari your terrorist president.

CoolUsername:
Whether they are impeachable is based in the subjective whims of congress at the time. Trump got impeached for asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, they said he abused his power to discredit a political opponent. However, that call was made before Biden announced he was joining the race.

So, where are the facts that he can actually be impeached though? This is literally just dem vs republican bullshit. The judge recused himself so there won't even be a sitting judge to hear the case.

As for whether he committed impeachable offenses, that's not a fact. Unless you can definitively prove that Donald Trump told those people to break into the US capitol, then that's just your subjective opinion.

One thing I find interesting that congress thinks Trump called for violence whena congress woman days this about the BLM riots.

"The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable.

Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows.

To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point." -AOC

Trump supporters definitely made her uncomfortable, though.

Is Trump a self-serving liar? Yes. So are most other politicians
Are his supporters who stormed the capitol hill r*yards? Yes. So are the people who committed violence and vandalism during the BLM riots.

If you view only one side as the devil, consider the that you may be in a media bubble. Seeking alternative sources and doing your own research should give you a more balanced view

Ladyhippolyta88:
Nah even some republicans agree Trump committed impeachable offences.Even some arrested insurrectionist have spoken via their lawyers putting their blame on Trump that they listened to him through his rhetoric and there are links with the Trump campaign currently being investigated.What happened on January 6 is beyond partisanship and outside the impeachment trial there could be criminal trial why do you think his lawyers resigned.Mr man there are videos where he told them to march to the capitol and take their country back his associates said there should be a trial by combat there are videos to thay effect that tie him to that insurrection to say otherwise is foolishness.What you are quoting the protesters did not invade the capitol so you cannot compare an insurrection where many have been charged to a protest.I see Trump as a devil in the case and the only side based on facts of the case on ground.

Also to seek alternative sources does not mean one should pick lies and unverifiable conspiracies and call it truth.Yes when you seek facts and truths they always point to one and same thing depending on your understanding but if you mean alternative sources like sites that report lies and unverifiable conspiracies count me out.Whatever media bubble you are talking about is the same bubble you find yourself in looking for alternative sources which may be truths or lies.

CoolUsername:
He said they should show strength and cheer the strong conservative (guys who agree with him), even though they won't be doing much cheering for the weak ones (guys who disagree with him). It's a stretch to call that incitement, especially when investigation shows that the rioters planned this stunt on Facebook before Trump ever made that speech. The trial by combat line wasn't by Trump as you just said, and even that wasn't considered a physical threat until Jan 6

You're acting like the BLM supporters didn't burn down a federal courthouse. You talk about insurrection but don't mention when BLM rioters created an autonomous zone (search CHAZ) in the same capitol hill which led to two people getting killed, even though the Seattle mayor supported them

Did you forget about the violent protest outside capitol hill during the hearing of Brett Kavanaugh, due to unverified rape allegations that were promptly forgotten about after his confirmation? Or the Washington riots after Trump's inauguration, due to claims of election fraud and Russian collusion that were pushed by the Dems and mainstream media which were all proven false after two years of investigation

Then you talk to me about conspiracy theories.

Talking about conspiracy theories though. Can you mention any I've posted in this conversation? In all I've said where is the lie?

Ladyhippolyta88:
He said he was going to march with them and they should take their country back when he was in Georgia on the 4th he said they should fight back or they will be no country anymore his tweets and campaign emails also said same violent rhetorics as well also Trial by combact was said by his associates Rudy Giuliani on the day of the insurrection he said it on that date in the save America march turned insurrection.Even videos released Trump supporters themselves said they were sent by Trump.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Oga there is no proof or direct proof linking it to BLM many of them were released for lack of evidence and it was reported at a time that the protest was infiltrated by rioters and arsonist which happens in almost every protest around the world including end sars it had nothing to do with the protesters if it were the organizers and founders of the movement would have been in prison the same cannot be said about what happened on the 6th remember a Trump supporter named Kyle Rittenhouse was found in the protest in Kenosha he killed two people and injured one he is currently on trial that person invaded a BLM protest Trump supporters carried Naz, Trump flags to the insurrection that was very obvious for all to see and many have been charged with clear evidence.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Violent protest in what way did any result in casualties and was anybody charged?also the Russian Collusion was not false oga you don't know more than the American intelligence agencies that said there was a collusion and charged some Trump associates to court who were later convicted and pardoned by Trump it was in no way false Michael Flynn resigned because of it.
I have just pointed out your lies or misunderstanding also I alluded to that when you talked about finding alternative source of information that are mostly false and unverifiable.

CoolUsername:
Marching with them to the capitol hill is an acceptable means of protest. Encouraging people to protest is legal. What was illegal was breaking in. A march is not an insurrection.

Or maybe we can blame the dems for the shooting of Steve Scalise since the perp bought into Dem propaganda that Trump was ruining democracy

This has to be the most partisan and biased take on a situation I've seen in recent times. Are you saying that BLM rioters didn't burn down buildings or pull down statues? Are you saying they didn't create an autonomous zone during the protest? Even with all the video evidence?

And I don't know why you even mentioned Kyle Rittenhouse, or you didn't see the videos ofhim getting chased down by an angry mob and when one of them shot in the air

You talk about the Mueller investigation as a win when Mueller clearly started there was no evidence of collusion after 2 years of investigation. This is a fact that you can't deny.

Trump's associates were mostly charged with perjury, Manafort was charged with tax evasion. None for Russian collusion. Yes, they are filthy swamp creatures but they didn't collude with Russia to steal election line the Dems claimed.

CoolUsername:
Whether they are impeachable is based in the subjective whims of congress at the time. Trump got impeached for asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, they said he abused his power to discredit a political opponent. However, that call was made before Biden announced he was joining the race.

So, where are the facts that he can actually be impeached though? This is literally just dem vs republican bullshit. The judge recused himself so there won't even be a sitting judge to hear the case.

As for whether he committed impeachable offenses, that's not a fact. Unless you can definitively prove that Donald Trump told those people to break into the US capitol, then that's just your subjective opinion.

One thing I find interesting that congress thinks Trump called for violence whena congress woman days this about the BLM riots.

"The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable.

Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows.

To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point." -AOC

Trump supporters definitely made her uncomfortable, though.

Is Trump a self-serving liar? Yes. So are most other politicians
Are his supporters who stormed the capitol hill r*yards? Yes. So are the people who committed violence and vandalism during the BLM riots.

If you view only one side as the devil, consider the that you may be in a media bubble. Seeking alternative sources and doing your own research should give you a more balanced view

Ladyhippolyta88:
You don't know the meaning of balls then.
Biden is a 100% better than the twice impeached former disgraced president

linearity:
You clearly are over your head and don’t know what you are talking about.

Trump has already been impeached twice, that is done and dusted.

The impending Senate trial is not to impeach, the US Senate cannot impeach the President, only the House can do that. The Senate job is to setup a trial for a President who has already been impeached by the House.

No Judge recuse himself. John Robert, the Chief Justice only presides, if the Senate trial is over a seating President, Trump is no longer the President, therefore the Senate Pro Tempore is the one presiding over the trial.

Yes, everyone know the Senate will not convict him, no US President has ever been convicted in the Senate.....regardless of what happens in the Senate, Trump is the only President in House History that have been impeached twice.

Your arguments about impeachment or non impeachment offense are baseless. He does not have to tell the mob to go destroy the Capitol, in fact the House comes up what they think are impeachable offended base on their understanding of the constitution and they put it to a vote and the House has impeached him on those charges period!

No court in the US can undo the impeachment and the Senate certainly cannot undo it. So, as it stands, Trump has been impeached for crimes the House have adjudged as been impeachable offenses a d that is finito, if you don’t agree, you are just arguing with yourself, your your agreement is not sort and not needed.

CoolUsername:
Thanks for contributing to our conversation but you haven't added anything new. I already said that impeachment is based on the whims of congress. I don't really know who you're arguing with.

However, what is still up for debate is whether you can impeach someone who has already left office. I argued that it could lead to something like Obama getting impeached whenever republicans take hold of congress which doesn't make any sense.

You'd have seen all this if you'd read my arguments.

CoolUsername:
Thanks for contributing to our conversation but you haven't added anything new. I already said that impeachment is based on the whims of congress. I don't really know who you're arguing with.

However, what is still up for debate is whether you can impeach someone who has already left office. I argued that it could lead to something like Obama getting impeached whenever republicans take hold of congress which doesn't make any sense.

You'd have seen all this if you'd read my arguments.

wirinet:
How do you deal with a president who commits a crime in his last days or weeks in office? What should happen if Trump actually shot someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight light few weeks to the end of his tenure? Are you suggesting that during the lame duck period, a president can steal, kill and commit any crime with no repercussions whatsoever? What happens if a president commits a serious crime and then resigns, should his indictments and trial be discontinued because he is no longer in office? What is the remedy for a US president that is found to have committed a crime while in office, that is after he has left office?

Besides this case is different, Trump was indicted (impeached) while he was in office, what is remaining is a trial to determine if he is guilty as charged or innocent.

CoolUsername:
My bad for using the term impeachment since it applies differently in America. However, the senate's power to convict a President, probably doesn't apply once he's left office. Not that senate will convict anyway. Like I said, political theatre.

To answer your question, if Trump shot and killed someone in broad daylight. Do you think removal from office and a ban from holding office is sufficient punishment? Because that's all the conviction will actually do.

Empiree:
Trump administration was not all that bad except for his immigration policy. This is what many, especially foreigners hated him for.

Trump was antiwar. He did not stay a new war better he knew that the so called "war on terror" was lie and propaganda. The fact that he was open antiislam and Muslims, Muslims should appreciate his administration.

Trump said long before he became president that Obama created isis. Bush created alkaida also confirmed by Hillary clinton. Obama administration was war monger. He was voted for by Blacks for emotional reason. Obama administration also funded and wasted money on domestic terrorism that did not exist. They were entrapping innocent Muslims up and down while the real Terrorists (white supremacists) were committing act of terror.

This is why Trump cut off unnecessary funding because he was well aware that the whole nonesense about fake.

CoolUsername:
Marching with them to the capitol hill is an acceptable means of protest. Encouraging people to protest is legal. What was illegal was breaking in. A march is not an insurrection.

Or maybe we can blame the dems for the shooting of Steve Scalise since the perp bought into Dem propaganda that Trump was ruining democracy.

This has to be the most partisan and biased take on a situation I've seen in recent times. Are you saying that BLM rioters didn't burn down buildings or pull down statues? Are you saying they didn't create an autonomous zone during the protest? Even with all the video evidence?

You talk about the Mueller investigation as a win when Mueller clearly started there was no evidence of collusion after 2 years of investigation. This is a fact that you can't deny.

feedthenation:
---But Trump has singlehandly, managed to start a war within the U.S. with his constant, baseless, toxic-laden rhetorics which have resulted in a divided nation---

Crimrburster:
Trump is the best, he's got the balls. Only the terrorists hates him.

For those of you quoting me, you can all go to hell with Buhari, your terrorist president.

rossukkii:
That you actually received 68 likes for this lunatic comment says a lot about the type of characters on this forum nowadays. Real scum of the earth. The dregs of society.

wirinet:
March to the Capitol to do what? Stop the Senate from carrying out its constitutional duty? So what happens if the Congress was unable to ratify the electoral college? will Trump continue as President without constitutional backing? This is an election that has pass through all known constitutional process.

wirinet:
Did the most senior democrats - Nancy Pelosi tell her supporters to shoot Steve Scalise in order to stop Trump from performing his constitutional duty? The Democrats truly feels that Trump is ruining US democracy, but they did not call their supporters to attack Trump physically.

wirinet:
Black lives matter protest were not about stopping Trump or Republicans from performing their legal duty, it was about the decades long police brutality against blacks in America. BLM did not start with trump.

wirinet:
For the umpteenth time, Mueller never said there was no evidence of collusion. What he said was that with the constraints from the justice department and the white house, he could not prove collusion. But Congress could take up obstruction of evidence against trump or he could be charged after leaving office.