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Image123:
It is not an excuse but a written fact. The Bible teaches expressly about heavenS. It therefore means you should be cognizant about which heaven when you make ridiculous assertions. It is sudden to you because you have never heard it and you made your conclusions. i have heard it all my life so the joke is on your ignorance. i don't think i said sin has to do with fruit, i wonder your continued obsession about them.

Answer the damn question. Your explanation is irrelevant. You're just pouring water into a basket. Answer the question. Stop crying with your explanations.

kingxsamz:
I'm arguing the contradictory content of your bible, not the existence of your god.
If I ask for proof of your god, you'll start crying with your usual sermons, because you can't provide proof of its existence.

What's the contradiction you argue?

kingxsamz:
Answer the damn question. Your explanation is irrelevant. You're just pouring water into a basket. Answer the question. Stop crying with your explanations.

What's the question? You seem to be loosing your cool this Monday morning. What happened last night?

kingxsamz:
Of course, everyone knows onions have layers. What's funny is how you decided to come up with that as an excuse to why Satan committed sin. We were talking about Heaven as a whole, and all of a sudden, you're talking about realms and layers... abeg rest.

Just answer the simple question and stop bleating.

What fruit did Satan eat for it to be able to commit sin in a place where you said there is no sin? Answer. Stop bleating.

Mr King,

Satan didn't eat any fruit and sin isn't allowed in heaven (this is why Satan was sent out)

Satan like all the angels including man was created with the essence of freewill and he used his freewill to lust in aspiration to be like God.

That lust to be like God is his sin and that lust is evident to the fact he had freewill and not a robot

Mikecold:
Mr King,

Satan didn't eat any fruit and sin isn't allowed in heaven (this is why Satan was sent out)

Satan like all the angels including man was created with the essence of freewill and he used his freewill to lust in aspiration to be like God.

That lust to be like God is his sin and that lust is evident to the fact he had freewill and not a robot

But this also contradicts your the claim that there's no sin in Heaven. If This Satan can just plan to rebel against this god, doesn't that mean other Angels can do so whenever they wish, since they all have free will? Which also contradicts the claim that one can't have sinful thoughts in Heaven.

Image123:
What's the question? You seem to be loosing your cool this Monday morning. What happened last night?

Or perhaps you're too slow. Try some other time. Thanks.

kingxsamz:
But this also contradicts your the claim that there's no sin in Heaven. If This Satan can just plan to rebel against this god, doesn't that mean other Angels can do so whenever they wish, since they all have free will? Which also contradicts the claim that one can't have sinful thoughts in Heaven.

No it doesn't contradict, there is no sin in heaven (i.e this God does not organise sex parties for his slaves as thaught by a certain religion)

This God dwelling place is designed to be holy, if Satan choosed to use his freewill to lust after God, that doesn't make the dwelling of God a sinful place.

It is Satan sin and he punished it.

When God sent Satan out he didn't send him out alone, he sent his followers who wanted to go with him based of their freewill decision.

So God had effectively settled that issue with the angels forever, you either had to choose him or Satan forever (Both forever choices)

Mikecold:
No it doesn't contradict, there is no sin in heaven (i.e this God does not organise sex parties for his slaves as thaught by a certain religion)

This God dwelling place is designed to be holy, if Satan choosed to use his freewill to lust after God, that doesn't make the dwelling of God a sinful place.

It is Satan sin and he punished it.

When God sent Satan out he didn't send him out alone, he sent his followers who wanted to go with him based of their freewill decision.

So God had effectively settled that issue with the angels forever, you either had to choose him or Satan forever (Both forever choices)

What you're saying is, Angels won't be allowed to sin, but they can have sinful thoughts in Heaven, isn't that so? Now, what stops another Angel from saying it wants to rebel against this god?Don't tell me they've choosen sides forever because this same god thought its creation was perfect before Satan rebelled.
And isn't having the thought of rebellion also sin itself?

kingxsamz:
Or perhaps you're too slow. Try some other time. Thanks.

How the word "slow" is coming from the mouth of mr. sudden is hilarious. Common Bible truth is too sudden for you, you're shouting sudden, sudden like rapture has happened. Lol. Run along like your father the devil to come back another time.

kingxsamz:
What you're saying is, Angels won't be allowed to sin, but they can have sinful thoughts in Heaven, isn't that so? Now, what stops another Angel from saying it wants to rebel against this god?Don't tell me they've choosen sides forever because this same god thought its creation was perfect before Satan rebelled.
And isn't having the thought of rebellion also sin itself?

Yes angels won't be allowed to sin,

Heaven is a place to worship God alone, the only rebilious thought would be the crave of that same service given to God.

Satan and his angels where the first to toll this line thinking they could dethrone God, but he made them scapegoats on how such road ends.

If Adam and Eve were to witness all that their action of disobeying God cost them, they won't fall for the same trick when such opportunity came again (infact they regretted their actions before and after leaving Eden).

So it is with the angels who are in heaven, they know it's impossible to be like God from history

Yes the works of God was/is perfect

Rebilious thought is a sin, (yet rebilious thought is a compilation of constant ideas and intention of lusts over time).

You have to first nuture lust before rebellion (overthrowing comes in).

Dethroning or been like God has been proven to be impossible so rebellious thought can't come in

Muslims are far better than Christians but they are the same cos they came out from one source still unknown to the world. The Koran was written in Arabic and remain in that language till today. The scriptures was written in Hebrew but you read it in English. The true language Hebrew has been whitewashed today. The one you have today is Paleo or fake and it was from there they keep translating it till they get to English and you know things converted many times will always lose the true value. This was why your enemies were able to hijsck the book and add their own interpretations to keep you in the dark. They removed your actual names and locations where most of the things happened in your lands. This is why if you tell ppl Africa is the land of creation, they will call you an Antichrist. The Messiah and the one you call Jesus are not the same, they will call you a fool, true Hebrew language is an African language, they will call you a robber, Isreal in the middle east is an impostor nation created by the enemies to replace you Africans as the true children of the Creator, they will call you the son of the devil

Only if you know the interpretation of this
Matthew 13'33

33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto a leaven(the original source or way of life unknown to the world HEBREWISM) which a woman(Vatican) took, and hid in three measures of meal( Christianity, Islam, Judaism) till the whole was leavened(corrupted)

The thieves Vatican corrupted the original way of life our ancestors practiced into 3 religion(Chrislamjew) which the whole world now follow. Everyone must seek those ppl which are priests who wrote the scriptures the Vatican corrupted into 3. They will tell you what happened and unseal the book Daniel 12:4

Even if this 3 religion become one like we will see soon, it will not equal the original. The original will correct all things

Image123:
How the word "slow" is coming from the mouth of mr. sudden is hilarious. Common Bible truth is too sudden for you, you're shouting sudden, sudden like rapture has happened. Lol. Run along like your father the devil to come back another time.

Find another person's mention to cry on abeg.
You're always in my mentions crying. When I ask you small question now, you'll begin to talk about layers of onions. Abeg rest.

Mikecold:
Yes angels won't be allowed to sin,

Heaven is a place to worship God alone, the only rebilious thought would be the crave of that same service given to God.

Satan and his angels where the first to toll this line thinking they could dethrone God, but he made them scapegoats on how such road ends.

If Adam and Eve were to witness all that their action of disobeying God cost them, they won't fall for the same trick when such opportunity came again (infact they regretted their actions before and after leaving Eden).

So it is with the angels who are in heaven, they know it's impossible to be like God from history

Yes the works of God was/is perfect

Rebilious thought is a sin , (yet rebilious thought is a compilation of constant ideas and intention of lusts over time).

You have to first nuture lust before rebellion (overthrowing comes in).

Dethroning or been like God has been proven to be impossible so rebellious thought can't come in

@bolded was the answer to my question. Every other thing isn't necessary.
Now, did Satan have rebellious thoughts?

bobestman:
Muslims are far better than Christians but they are the same cos they came out from one source still unknown to the world. The Koran was written in Arabic and remain in that language till today. The scriptures was written in Hebrew but you read it in English. The true language Hebrew has been whitewashed today. The one you have today is Paleo or fake and it was from there they keep translating it till they get to English and you know things converted many times will always lose the true value. This was why your enemies were able to hijsck the book and add their own interpretations to keep you in the dark. They removed your actual names and locations where most of the things happened in your lands. This is why if you tell ppl Africa is the land of creation, they will call you an Antichrist. The Messiah and the one you call Jesus are not the same, they will call you a fool, true Hebrew language is an African language, they will call you a robber, Isreal in the middle east is an impostor nation created by the enemies to replace you Africans as the true children of the Creator, they will call you the son of the devil

Only if you know the interpretation of this
Matthew 13'33

33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto a leaven(the original source or way of life unknown to the world HEBREWISM) which a woman(Vatican) took, and hid in three measures of meal( Christianity, Islam, Judaism) till the whole was leavened(corrupted)

The thieves Vatican corrupted the original way of life our ancestors practiced into 3 religion(Chrislamjew) which the whole world now follow. Everyone must seek those ppl which are priests who wrote the scriptures the Vatican corrupted into 3. They will tell you what happened and unseal the book Daniel 12:4

Even if this 3 religion become one like we will see soon, it will not equal the original. The original will correct all things

If Islam which plagiarized the Bible centuries after Christ claims the Bible was watered down, can it tell us where it took it's cherry picked version from as a foundation for Muslims?

For all we know Islam claims to agree with all of the Bible passages from the time of Abraham, it only disagrees with Jesus role in the New Testament.

Can it tell us why Mohammed deemed Bible reliable enough to carry out judgement?

When Mohammed asked Muslims to consult the people of the book for knowledge was it not the same "corrupt" Bible Christians was using?

If Islam can agree with passages as early as Genesis what stops it from agreeing with the most recent as recorded in Jesus time?

Where did Mohamed get his proof for his assertion on the Bible been corrupt, was he a first hand witness to the events himself or just because allah that is inconsistent to the Bible God told him so?

What is his proof and history of his new god allah which is different from the Bible God and stories he adopted?

Does writing a book in arabic alone make it authentic, are there no English translation of the Quran today?

Is the Bible of all languages not consistent with the Torah which orthodox Jews use today(the Hebrew Torah is older the Arabic Quran of today)

What makes Islam better than Christianity today, is it the billions of dollars nations including Nigeria are spending on security to fight Islamic Terrorists?

Does christianity offer a heaven ticket which must be gotten only when killing others in jihad course?

Why are muslims deserting Sharia countries that practice pristine Islam for nations that was founded on Christian principles?

kingxsamz:
@bolded was the answer to my question. Every other thing isn't necessary. Now, did Satan have rebellious thoughts?

Lol, not necessary?
Is information too much now
Yes Satan had rebellious thought

Mikecold:
Yes, angels won't be allowed to sin.

Mikecold:
Rebilious thought is a sin

Mikecold:
Yes Satan had rebellious thought

Those are your words, not mine.

In conclusion, Satan sinned in Heaven.
(drops mic).

NO we don't worship the same god. allah was a Muslim.


And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
(Qur'an 3:85)

kingxsamz:
Find another person's mention to cry on abeg.
You're always in my mentions crying. When I ask you small question now, you'll begin to talk about layers of onions. Abeg rest.

But you refuse to ask the question, don't you remember? Oh, you don't read any verse according to your confession.

kingxsamz:
Those are your words, not mine.

In conclusion, Satan sinned in Heaven.
(drops mic).

lol,

In conclusion let me also repeat my words loudly


Rebilious thought is a sin of lust



Satan had rebilious thought



Satan sinned from his lust to dethrone God


Heaven does not allow this sin from angels

Mikecold:
If Islam which plagiarized the Bible centuries after Christ claims the Bible was watered down, can it tell us where it took it's cherry picked it's version from as a foundation for Muslims?

For all we know Islam claims to agree with all of the Bible passages from the time of Abraham, it only disagrees with Jesus role in the New Testament.

If Islam can agree with passages as early as Genesis what stops it from agreeing with the most recent as recorded in Jesus time?

Where did Mohamed get his proof for his assertion on the Bible been corrupt, was he a first hand witness to the events himself or just because allah that is inconsistent to the Bible God told him so?

What is his proof and history of his new god allah which is different from the Bible God and stories he adopted?

Does writing a book in arabic alone make it authentic, are there no English translation of the Quran today?

Is the Bible of all languages not consistent with the Torah which orthodox Jews use today(the Hebrew Torah is older the Arabic Quran of today)

What makes Islam better than Christianity today, is it the billions of dollars nations including Nigeria are spending on security to fight Islamic Terrorists?

Does christianity offer a heaven ticket which must be gotten only when killing others in jihad course?

Why are muslims deserting Sharia countries that practice pristine Islam for nations that was founded on Christian principles?

The Torah or old testament you read is what the Muslim follow. They follow everything as you Christians do in the old testament but they never believe Christ as you call him as the son/sun of God. They believe he exists and is a prophet or messenger but not as a son of God.

The sharia things you talk about here was started by Christians before the Muslims took over and make it one of their doctrines. All are blind and in error. This is why there will be a time for correction. Am not here to get likes. I tell you things even our ancestors don't even know since day 1 though not of me. You as a Christian is not better than them. They are only being ignorant. Christians and Jews have there own error. We are to wait and see how everything will be corrected and restored to the original form. Because the first shall be the last.

Mind you am not against the scriptures but am telling you the enemies hijacked it since it was in scrolls and added and removed from it. When your eyes are open, you will see those things added to the scriptures. This is day 7, the time of Correction.

bobestman:
The Torah or old testament you read is what the Muslim follow. They follow everything as you Christians do in the old testament but they never believe Christ as you call him as the son/sun of God. They believe he exists and is a prophet or messenger but not as a son of God.

The sharia things you talk about here was started by Christians before the Muslims took over and make it one of their doctrines. All are blind and in error. This is why there will be a time for correction. Am not here to get likes. I tell you things even our ancestors don't even know since day 1 though not of me. You as a Christian is not better than them. They are only being ignorant. Christians and Jews have there own error. We are to wait and see how everything will be corrected and restored to the original form. Because the first shall be the last.

Mind you am not against the scriptures but am telling you the enemies hijacked it since it was in scrolls and added and removed from it. When your eyes are open, you will see those things added to the scriptures. This is day 7, the time of Correction.

Abdul, your god qualified you as a slave not me.

So don't play this first shall be last story, do you also know that a slave can never become a son by inheritance of gene?

While you validate following only the Torah can you also tell me who Isaiah 53 is talking about


You can't wake up like Mohamed and tell the world the culture/book/history of the people that existed centuries before your parents are not factual.

Mohamed logic is that of a reverse cave m0ron

You talk about Sharia, Christian's didn't actually do Sharia it was for the Jews (Jews didn't force non Jews to do it, just like Muslims today who want to convert the world to Sharia state).

And the Jews were actually the ones who told God they could keep the command themselves, did allah ask anyone before forcing sharia subjugation of muslims?

Mikecold:
Heaven does not allow this sin from angels

Mikecold:
Yes, angels won't be allowed to sin.

Your words not mine.

Satan sinned in heaven. Your point is flawed.

Image123:
But you refuse to ask the question, don't you remember? Oh, you don't read any verse according to your confession.

Cry some more.

kingxsamz:
Your words not mine.

Satan sinned in heaven. Your point is flawed.

Dude i said angels won't be allowed to sin.

God doesn't allow sin in the terms of permitting sin

I never said he stops them from sinning against him (that implies stopping the freewill)

Stop twisting it because the theology has been consistent since i started explaining

I believe you should be mature enough to understand allow in the terms of permit

Mikecold:
Dude i said angels won't be allowed to sin.

God doesn't allow sin in the terms of permitting sin

I never said he stops them from sinning against him (that implies stopping the freewill)

Stop twisting it because the theology has been consistent since i started explaining

I believe you should be mature enough to understand allow in the terms of permit

Okay, so, what you're saying is "Angels can commit sin In heaven" right, but they'll be kicked out to keep the place holy?

kingxsamz:
Okay, so, what you're saying is "Angels can commit sin In heaven" right, but they'll be kicked out to keep the place holy?

Yes, they can commit the sin of lust over God's throne.

The punishment of Satan has established the fact that it's impossible to be like God and it doesn't end well.

Mikecold:
Yes, they can commit the sin of lust over God's throne.

The punishment of Satan has established the fact that it's impossible to be like God and it doesn't end well.

I'm not talking about sin of lust. I said sin.
And punishment of crime doesn't stop crime also.

kingxsamz:
I'm not talking about sin of lust. I said sin.
And punishment of crime doesn't stop crime also.

In heaven you don't eat nor drink as a spiritual being, the only thing that exist is praises and worship.

You are either the one giving it or receiving it (so there really is no other sin than lusting for glory in heaven)

Punishment for crimes stops crime in heaven, heaven is not earth where people evade justice or get little.

Mikecold:
In heaven you don't eat nor drink as a spiritual being, the only thing that exist is praises and worship.

You are either the one giving it or receiving it (so there really is no other sin than lusting for glory in heaven)

Is this your own opinion or its a widely accepted view?

Punishment for crimes stops crime in heaven, heaven is not earth where people evade justice or get little.

Not when there's freewill.

kingxsamz:
Is this your own opinion or its a widely accepted view?

Not when there's freewill.

I don't give my opinion, i sum up the majority of scriptural activities about heaven and the pattern of its inhabitants

Multitudes of God’s people—of every nation, tribe, people, and language—will gather to sing praise to God for His greatness, wisdom, power, grace, and mighty work of redemption

(Revelation 5:13-14).

Overwhelmed by His magnificence, we will fall on our faces in unrestrained happiness and say, “Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
(Revelation 7:9-12)


(2). My friend, the gain of freewill rebellion for angels is vague (the devil knew he made a mistake, he ought to be going around flexing like he won lottery instead he is a saddist looking for as many that can make his mistake).

You can not join hands to unseat your maker like he thought, neither can a creature function outside the realm of its creator.

The angels in heaven know this, using freewill for rebellion never benefits them

Mikecold:
Abdul, your god qualified you as a slave not me.

So don't play this first shall be last story, do you also know that a slave can never become a son by inheritance of gene?

While you validate following only the Torah can you also tell me who Isaiah 53 is talking about


You can't wake up like Mohamed and tell the world the culture/book/history of the people that existed centuries before your parents are not factual.

Mohamed logic is that of a reverse cave m0ron

You talk about Sharia, Christian's didn't actually do Sharia it was for the Jews (Jews didn't force non Jews to do it, just like Muslims today who want to convert the world to Sharia state).

And the Jews were actually the ones who told God they could keep the command themselves, did allah ask anyone before forcing sharia subjugation of muslims?

Hehehe you see the problem with you Christians.....you don't get your facts right before jumping to conclusion. You are now calling me Abdul cos you think I am am a muslim and speaking for them. You are even quoting scripture you don't understand to me.

I am not into any religion though was once a Churchian before the light shined on me. The true ways of life unknown to man was HEBREWISM (a lifestyle of the Hebrew ppl who are the children of the Most High God).

What am doing here is telling you that those 3 religion are not perfect cos all have their flaws untill the true one which they all copied from is revealed to restore all things. I know who the Muslims are, the Christians too and the Jews. Not all muslim are bad, same with Jews and Christians. The Fulanis are the wicked ones and descendants of Assyria which God Almighty always use to punish his ppl when they err and the same thing is going on now. The punishment and correction will not happen if you know the truth. Am only trying to tell ppl that the ANCIENT path which the book is telling all to return to is the only way but many will not find it. It's the narrow way that leads to life.

If you all are all right their will be no need for the Messiah to return to his TEMPLE to sanctify or purify his people first before they can offer a righteous offering - Malachi 3:1-3
If you all know the truth there will be no need for a messenger to go out by the power of the spirit to preach an everlasting gospel to ALL who dwell on earth (meaning all will be there to listen to the message) - Rev 14:6

And if tell you what that verse you quoted above meant, you will insult me cos it will not sound good to your ear. To Isreal (the chosen) was the promise made who also the Messiah came to seek. The Messiah Must first come to his ppl and restore or gather them together before he will save the gentiles that will come to him and his people - Isaiah 49:6; 11:11-12;
Note Isreal those of the bloodline from Adam to Abraham to Christ. The chosen people. While the gentiles are those who are not of that bloodline. He will save his people then the gentiles will look to him with mercy and he will save some of them who are willing

bobestman:
Hehehe you see the problem with you Christians.....you don't get your facts right before jumping to conclusion. You are now calling me Abdul cos you think I am am a muslim and speaking for them. You are even quoting scripture you don't understand to me.

I am not into any religion though was once a Churchian before the light shined on me. The true ways of life unknown to man was HEBREWISM (a lifestyle of the Hebrew ppl who are the children of the Most High God).

What am doing here is telling you that those 3 religion are not perfect cos all have their flaws untill the true one which they all copied from is revealed to restore all things. I know who the Muslims are, the Christians too and the Jews. Not all muslim are bad, same with Jews and Christians. The Fulanis are the wicked ones and descendants of Assyria which God Almighty always use to punish his ppl when they err and the same thing is going on now. The punishment and correction will not happen if you know the truth. Am only trying to tell ppl that the ANCIENT path which the book is telling all to return to is the only way but many will not find it. It's the narrow way that leads to life.

If you all are all right their will be no need for the Messiah to return to his TEMPLE to sanctify or purify his people first before they can offer a righteous offering - Malachi 3:1-3
If you all know the truth there will be no need for a messenger to go out by the power of the spirit to preach an everlasting gospel to ALL who dwell on earth (meaning all will be there to listen to the message) - Rev 14:6

And if tell you what that verse you quoted above meant, you will insult me cos it will not sound good to your ear. To Isreal (the chosen) was the promise made who also the Messiah came to seek. The Messiah Must first come to his ppl and restore or gather them together before he will save the gentiles that will come to him and his people - Isaiah 49:6; 11:11-12;
Note Isreal those of the bloodline from Adam to Abraham to Christ. The chosen people. While the gentiles are those who are not of that bloodline. He will save his people then the gentiles will look to him with mercy and he will save some of them who are willing

Good luck on your medication.

Next time don't say what you don't know