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Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 5:56pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Exactly Washing of private part with kettle, saying shahada doesnt work for remission of sin. |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 6:16pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
mhmsadyq:This is a terrible approach to theology. Your Islamic historians/books which you follow named Mohamed Father Abdullah (this isn't a Chinese foreigner were you dismiss and say it's their opinion/subjective). This theology of his father name has been certified by Muslims centuries before you and continues to be the earliest account in Islam. You can not cherry pick some part of your history when it suit you and dismiss it when it doesn't. If you say Mohamed Father god (Allah) was an idol and you want to dismiss such what makes it true that the allah you and Mohamed came to worship isn't the same allah his father worshipped? Mohamed Father has an earlier account to the god allah than Mohamed who came after him. You can't turn logic on its head and say the man who came second in a race is winner against the one who crossed the line first. Everything not just one thing is disputed about the god of allah Mohamed worshipped. If there was copyright in those times Mohamed Father would have sued his mo.ron of a son who was too intellectually lazy he had to copy paste his father idol as his |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:40pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:How can a silly act like that wash away the sin of a person!? |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:55pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Like I said before, Allah and Eloah are the same word in the Semitic languages to which Arabic and Hebrew belong; and they have the same meaning "the god" and is a generic term (like the king) used to refer to any deity or idol. In other words Allah or Eloah is a title and not the name of the God of Abraham. The name of the God of Abraham is Jehovah/Yahweh! mhmsadyq:I hope you are not contradicting yourself. The question was: Is the God of Abdullah the same as the God of Prophet Mohammed? 1. Allah is the name of the chief idol in the Kaaba! 2. Allah is the the name of the supreme being! Is it not logically possible that Abdullah's Allah (an idol made of wood/stone) was upgraded by Mohammed to be like the Jehovah of the Jews (who is without an image)? |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 7:06pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Welcome to Islamabad, the supposed Abrahamic faith that turns history on its head Do you know that the Qureshi people have been worshipping Baal (aka allah) Mohammed father's god even in Bible times. The Bible reported exactly how they practice their worship and warned those who follow the true God of the Bible to desist from it 1 Kings 19:18 “Yet I will leave seven thousand in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.” (Baal worship involves bowing and kissing, today Muslims bow to the "kabaal" direction in prayers and kiss it physically) Leviticus 26:1 “Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.” (Muslims have made a stone of "kabaal" and bow to it as prayer ritual) Do Muslims have any Theology behind this no they dont, they only do it because Mohamed did it. Mohamed did it because he saw his father tribe doing it Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667) Muslims claim they don't believe in Jesus simply because no one can intercede for another for forgiveness of sin. Yet Muslims believe a stone that can't talk on Earth would suddenly have mouth to intercede for them in heaven but they believe Jesus Christ who is in heaven sitting with God and would come on last day again can't intercede for man. 2944. Sa'd b. Jubair is reported to have said, "I heard Ibn 'Abbas saying that Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings Allah be upon him) said, “This Stone must come on the Day of Resurrection and it will have two eyes to see with and a tongue to talk with bearing witness for him who caressed it with Truth (Islam).” (Sunan Ibn-I-Majah (Imam Abu Abdullah Muhammad b. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini), |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:10pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:Muslims seems not to understand that their Islamic Taqqiya has worked against them. Even Mohamed doesn't know what will become of himself or his followers. Yet, they follow him to the exclusion of the Way, the Truth and Life Himself. Pray for them whenever you can please. It's a chain and enslavement to an idol of Taqqiya! |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 7:20pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:I don't think you need to be asking him again It's logically and evidently self explanatory for anyone with a brain. If Mohamed Father served allah and wasn't a muslim Then Mohamed can not be the first to serve the same god called allah (so long as the name never changed) Mohamed Father has an earlier history to the god allah before his son came along. Mohamed cannot even win such case of copyright violation in a court of law. If Muslims who live centuries of years after Mohamed feel Mohamed god was different from his father's god then they should explain why Mohammed didn't change the name of his new god. Mohamed as a second claimant to the god allah didn't change his god name because his god shared the same essence as his father's god |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:26pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:Allah was just a mere upgrade of the Arabian idol to that with the attributes of the Jewish God. QED! |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 7:33pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:I do pray for them, but more importantly to me is to keep removing the blindfold of Ignorance they are all exposed to by giving them the scriptures hidden from them. They practice a cult called religion mandated to only be read in Arabic in order to put them in dark Their daily rituals called prayers is a blank recitation of the same arabic words programmed in their mouths like bots. The rituals of washing, fasting is to constantly indoctrinate their minds in Arabic from asking questions You ask them questions they are too shallow to explain, they use the same words of allah knows best after the hours everyday spent to follow islam |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:41pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:It actually means that they are enslaved and they need deliverance |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 7:42pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Ofcourse Muslims fail to see the light about Mohamed. If only they could comprehend quran they would realize that all those who put their trust in him perished. When Mohammed went to Kabir and got poisoned, his followers who ate with him tasted the poison but swallowed it because they believed they were with Mohamed the prophet who could see if it was poisoned or not. They swallowed and perished instantly, Mohamed had already put his poison in the mouth before seeing his followers dieing, he suddenly lied he got vision it was poisoned only because he saw the effects. If he truly got vision he should have seen it before his followers died, the same poison was what killed Mohamed years later after crippling his internal organs. Lesson to Muslims don't put your trust in Mohamed let alone your eternity His own son wife couldn't be trusted with him |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 7:50pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Allah doesn't even have the attributes of the Jewish God. Mohamed only borrowed customs to fit his political conquest, crave for sex, rituals to subdue his followers etc. The main thing in reference to God is just the stone worship, cycling stone, reciting Arab jinx to baal |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:59pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:That's why I said "mere upgrade!". If it's an upgrade, it cannot be the original for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob cannot be upgraded! |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:02pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:I just pity Zaid! How can I be dragging something with my "father"! That's how he released his wife to the apostle of Allah! |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 8:08pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:True |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 8:24pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Mohamed commission as a supposed prophet was for sex. Muslims do not realize if they existed in the time of Mohamed he had the special privilege from allah to take any woman his eyes fell upon including their wives, mother, sister, daughter whether under age or not. He actually broke the law of Moses (thou shall not convet thy neighbor wife) when he conveted his son's wife. Instead of God to rebuke him like it was done to David who conveted Uriah wife, this Mohamed morally bankrupt god encouraged him to continue. Yet they claim to worship the God of the Bible |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by 0rion: 8:34pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Christians and Muslims are definitely not worshipping thesame God. The simplest miracle Allah couldn't perform. The so called Allah sent angel Jubril to make the Muhammed (fake prophet) recite the Quran. Muhammad couldn't. The dodgy angel squeezed Muhammed to read but wasn't unable. And Jubril should have resigned straight away and ask Allah that why did you send me to an illiterate man. When you knew he couldn't read. |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:40pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold:We all know that Mohammad is a pseudonym for Allah. Allah does ALL his bidding while he hides under the name Allah to enrich himself with women, money and power |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 9:25pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
0rion:Mohammed was so special to his god he had to send an "angel" to assign him prophet. But all through the Bible the acclaimed lesser prophets communicated with God directly. Mohammed didn't even know the name of the being who assigned him "prophet" the self proclaimed first Muslim had to go meet his wife who handed him to waraka before translating the being to be "Jibril" (waraka himself wasn't even a prophet let alone had experience on how a supposed God called people) Waraka told Mohammed this was the same angel God sent to Moses for his prophethood. The foolishness with this is that God never sent an angel to Moses, he came himself and waraka who existed centuries after Moses has no evidence to know the type of angel he supposedly lie was sent to Moses |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by 0rion: 9:58pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold: They knew Muhammed was delusional. They just played along with him. That was why he tried to commit suicide when waraqa died. It baffles me alot when I see learned people following Islam. |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 11:30pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
0rion:Yeah, waraqa and Mohammed supposed wife (kadija) really used him as a slave to achieve their aim of controlling the Qureshi tribe. Theology points to this as this source of Mohammed mental health crisis occasioned throughout the quran The fact he actually tried jumping off the Clive when waraqa died shows how much he lost his personality. He actually stopped receiving Quran revelation from his supposed god who was tied to waraqa yet Mohammed the prophet |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by 0rion: 11:39pm On Feb 02, 2021 |
Mikecold: You are absolutely right. I just pity all those who are following a crazy prophet. Piss upon him. Lol |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by haekymbahd(m): 7:18am On Feb 03, 2021 |
shadeyinka:What name did Abraham call God and prophets before Moses e.g Noah because the name Jehovah was revealed exclusively to Moses... Since the jews, Christian, Muslim claim to worship the God of Abraham so can you tell us the name Abraham called God? Allah SWT said: "They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135) * Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com , 1 Like |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Myer(m): 7:43am On Feb 03, 2021 |
haekymbahd: Very good question! The name YHWH was only revealed to Moses and wasn't even mentioned in the new testament. Jesus simply referred to God as Father. |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:48am On Feb 03, 2021 |
I'll wait for Shadeyinka to address this question after all he claimed that it wasn't JWs that taught him about JEHOVAH, now let's see how he handles this question. If you learn something from JWs but you didn't continue taking in more info from JWs time will tell! So since the Muslim guy addressed Shadeyinka i'll wait patiently for his response! Myer: |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:24am On Feb 03, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:By the way, I have 1. Never being to any of your place of worship 2. Never participated in your Bible studies through any man or woman. 3. I have encountered your "evangelists" at most 3-4 times in my entire life 4. I have read some of your magazines AWAKE Myer:1. YHWH couldn't have been mentioned in the new testament because as of that time, Jews out of reverent awe will NOT utter the name of the Lord in vain. They will replace it by Adonai, Elohim or variants. And as you Rightly said, Jesus referred to God as Father. " 2. The meaning of the name YHWH Exo 3:13-15: "And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the children of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say to them? And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you. And God said moreover to Moses, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations." God Called His Name by its meaning I AM THAT I AM: And then by its shortened form I AM The first direct use of the word YHWH in the bible is found in Exo 6:2-3: "And God spoke to Moses, and said to him, I am the LORD: And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name YHWH was I not known to them." YHWH may thus mean: *Self consisting *Never Changing *The beginning and the End *He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists” (Yahweh-Asher-Yahweh) haekymbahd:Abraham, Isaac and Jacob called God by the TITLE God Almighty! (שַׁדָּ֑ בְּאֵ֣ל) 2 Likes |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by haekymbahd(m): 10:00am On Feb 03, 2021 |
shadeyinka:My own exodus 6:3 is slightly different to yours why at the bolded Exodus 6:3 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty [El-Shaddai], but by My name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them Yours Exo 6:2-3: "And God spoke to Moses, and said to him, I am the LORD: And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, [b]but by my name YHWH was I not known to them." Allah SWT said: "They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135) Allah SWT said: "And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing." (QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180) * Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com shadeyinka:have you heared of 99 names of Allah Do you have issues with muslim calling God "Almighty Allah" when Jesus also called God "Eli"? Are you okay with calling God "Jesus"? |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:24am On Feb 03, 2021 |
Abraham used to call on the name of JEHOVAH (YHWH) {Genesis 12:8} But because of what JEHOVAH said @ Exodus 6:2-3 most Bible readers thought Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew the name JEHOVAH. We will teach you if you're willing to learn from us! shadeyinka: |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 10:26am On Feb 03, 2021 |
After so many research, it is believed that we don't worship same God. The worship the starry and the starry are fallen angels called Baal and astheroth. |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by Nobody: 10:30am On Feb 03, 2021 |
jantman:It is believe after so many researches that the Allah is also called Baal. The ones that some kings of Israel worshipped along with Ashtheroth. Both of them are fallen angels in the second heaven. |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by haekymbahd(m): 10:36am On Feb 03, 2021 |
Nuttella:I thought devil can't cast out devil Allah SWT said: "Do you call on Baal — this was the name of an idol of theirs which was made of gold, from which the name of their city derives, with the addition of [the suffix] bak — that is to say, do you worship him, and abandon the Best of Creators, and not worship Him," (QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 125) "Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?" (QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 126) * Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com |
Re: Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God? by shadeyinka(m): 10:43am On Feb 03, 2021 |
haekymbahd:El-Shaddai means the Mighty One/God. El-shaddi is a TITLE and NOT a name. Almighty Allah is a TITLE and NOT a name. Allah means "the god/God"! As I said before: Like I said before, Allah and Eloah are the same word in the Semitic languages to which Arabic and Hebrew belong; and they have the same meaning "the god" and is a generic term (like the king) used to refer to any deity or idol. In other words Allah or Eloah is a title and not the name of the God of Abraham. The name of the God of Abraham is Jehovah/Yahweh! |
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