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| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:44am On Feb 10, 2021 |
A careful study of this TRINITY doctrine will help honest hearted observers grasp why it was forced down people's throats back then. It lacks intellectual evidence so you can't be convinced regarding the concept. Today these Trinitarians are hiding behind faceless social media to pour out their grievances through words but if they are allowed or power is given them like their Church founders they will furiously persecute anyone who opposes their three dogheads. Thanks to JEHOVAH America has taken away their authority now everyone has FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP otherwise they'll be looking for JWs to kill by now! Note how JWs go peacefully to speak with their neighbours face to face because what we have is well packaged, we are not just going out enviously to spew gibberish so we often feel pity for whoever rejects the message. But them they feel bitter with annoyance each time their threat of Hellfire fails to scare their audience, their ego can't even allow them speak peacefully one on one with their neighbours as God's word foretold regarding those worshiping the true God during the end time! Malachi 3:16-18 So don't think they're enjoying all these o, deep down their hearts they're getting the torment of their life as you keep standing for the TRUTH! ![]() Janosky: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:57am On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Judge for yourself! Two individuals are living in your neighbourhood, both of them are coping with life's struggle and it's anxieties, they are both law abiding citizens and are happily married with children. One always feel obligated going to share what he has in his heart with everyone in his neighbourhood, so each weekend he take his birth with his wife and children dress up and off they go to worship and after worship they visit all their neighbours with what has been infused in their brains. But the other go to his choicest place of worship and after returning home sit before his TV to watch programs. Please ask yourself between the two of them whose heart is truly joyful? ![]() STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF! ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 8:12am On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:I laugh in Mitsubishi! So you see why you are a Pharisee! Luk 18:11-12: "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank you, that I am not as other men are, extortionists, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess." Pathetic self praise! No wonder your guys took off as soon as I began to preach Christ to them! SMH!! What else do you expect of lives with pseudo-light. |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:18am On Feb 10, 2021*. Modified: 10:24am On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:PRACTICAL APPLICATION! ![]() Shadeyinka belongs to ECWA Church but the church doctrines doesn't define him, he knows better than the organizers and shepherds of the church and so he doesn't see himself as equal in status with fellow members of ECWA who are ever obedient to those taking the lead in the religion. Compare to Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, he is ever willing to work on the teachings of those taking the lead in his church, he believes his not better of than other members of the religion and always looking for ways to improve on principles of the Organization binding on all members! Please who is the Pharisee and who is the tax collector here? Shadeyinka who feels he can't subject himself to the doctrines of his church like other members of the same Church but that he supposed to be one of the teachers there so as to correct their flaws. Or Maximus who feels all members of his church are equal before his God so he often look at himself through the mirror of the standard set by his church so as to improve. Who depicts the Pharisee and who reflect the tax collector? ![]() Pathetic self praise!You often prove countless times through this your thinking that you don't know what Israel means spiritually speaking! ![]() Well let me TEACH you. Israelites are always proud that pure worship belongs to them so they are better off than all other races who aren't part of God's covenant. For your information, Jesus (God's only begotten son) told a Samaritan woman that "salvation originates with the Jews" {John 4:22} hereby confirming that the Jews are truly God's chosen race. Today pure worship is no longer a matter of geographical location {John 4:23-24} but belongs to a global family of peace loving worshipers whose line of thought is the same {John 17:22} of course within this Organization no one should feel he is better off than his brother in the faith like the Pharisee in Jesus' illustration but whoever is not part of this Organization is a walking corpse, that's what Jesus said! Luke 9:60 ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 9:30am On Feb 10, 2021 |
Janosky:They are there, does it say anything that every church visitor does not know? |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 9:39am On Feb 10, 2021 |
Janosky:Ever heard that they are three persons or you are really this ignorant? |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:28am On Feb 10, 2021 |
Image123:According to Moses and Jesus who are both the only two mediators of the two covenant God has ever established. There is no three but ONE JEHOVAH! Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29 So the highlighted is confirmed heresy! ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 10:31am On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:What an epistle! John 8:32: "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Not bound to some old men who decides your faith. Some people have taken a yoke other than that of Christ. Mat 11:29-30: "Take my yoke on you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Jesus didn't say take the yoke of any man-made organisation! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:46am On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Ko ko ko là ñránfá adití! ![]() John 8:32:The truth can't stand if those serving as witnesses are contradicting themselves! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10 ![]() So for PEACE to reign in the midst of true worshipers {1Corinthians 14:33, 40} there must be those taking the lead and other members of the faith must comply with their teachings! Hebrews 13:7, 17 Mat 11:29-30:I love this! ![]() Jesus never said "there is no yoke" but that his "yoke is easy and burden is light" Surely you don't understand what "YOKE" means because if you do you will know that a yoke must bind two, three or more domestics together so that they will work for their Master! John 15:1-10 So if you can't point, present, show or tell of any organized group of people unitedly YOKED together as ONE in the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} then it simply means YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN {Luke 11:23} that's why you are worshiping with ECWA yet ECWA doctrines doesn't define you! ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 11:04am On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Prov 10:19: "In the multitude of words there wants not sin: but he that refrains his lips is wise." Yoke with Christ versus Yoke with an organisation You've taken your side! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by DappaD: 11:28am On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Why did the newly baptised Christians in the first century subject themselves to the DOCTRINES of the apostles? Acts 2:42 Why did the APOSTLES AND OLDER MEN in Jerusalem have to make decisions for all the Christian congregations? Acts 15:6 What do you think would happen, if after those OLDER MEN made and passed off those decisions to the brotherhood, someone—maybe once a Pharisee but became a Christian—now still insists on the circumcision being important? Well he is on his own for disagreeing with those OLDER MEN [Acts 15:22] and will be labelled an apostate not having God’s backing if he breaks away to form his own group. Romans 16:17, 1Timothy 1:20 Jesus Christ himself being the head of the congregation[Colossians 1:18] appointed shepherds in the congregation. John 21:15-17, Acts 9:15 So ask yourself this. If you’re not subjecting yourself to those taking the lead in the congregation, can you really gain Jesus’ approval after seeing you have utter disregard for congregational order? Acts 20:28; Hebrews 13:7,17; 1Peter 5:2 |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:55am On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:You can't yoke with the Master because he is the Lord and husbandry owner of the sheep Sir, he is the fine shepherd {John 10:14} he is the one who puts his yoke on his domestics (sheep) so that his domestics can continue working zealously for him {Colossians 3:24 compare to Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} he watches his servants that he sent out in the field in pairs {Luke 10:1} as a mighty spirit being Jesus only monitors his sheep globally who are working for him as they're paired in his field. So once again, where are the other sheep with whom you are slaving for the master (Christ)? ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:04pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
He wants to be a Christian but isolated from other Christians (he's not even subjected to the arrangement of his church ECWA) as his own Christianity can only be defined by himself alone! No wonder he's obsessed with the strange Jesus that's not accountable to anyone but himself! ![]() DappaD: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 12:23pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Mat 11:29-30: "Take my yoke on you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." 1Cor 11:1: "Be ye imitators of me, as I also of Christ." John 15:5: "I am the vine, ye the branches: he remaining in me, and I in him, he bears much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:24pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
PRACTICAL APPLICATION! shadeyinka:Come under my yoke and serve under me, i treat my domestics with love and care so you will ever enjoy been one of the sheep under my pastorate! You can't put a Yoke in the neck of someone you call "LORD" but you can willingly carry his yoke on your neck to slave for him along with other sheep! Colossians 3:24 1Cor 11:1:All you students under my Apostleship, try to be imitators of my thoughts, words and actions just as i also imitate the one who chose me as an Apostle to lead his sheep! Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7 John 15:5:I am the tree you are my branches whoever remains in my teachings will successfully make more disciples because if you should depend on your own understanding you won't succeed in the disciple making work! You're not quoting with understanding, for instance you claim to be a disciple of Jesus but while the real Christ make his own disciples work together as a team just as all of them are like fruits attached to the BRANCHES when the branches are attached to the tree you are not even working with the religious group where you worship! ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 2:24pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:You are a disciple of the old men coordinating Jehovah's witness organisation. Go meet your master: they call you |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:45pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
Arrogance won't lead you anywhere my friend! God's people are ORGANIZED and ORDERLY right from inception till today so if you're not submissive to any form of arrangement it simply means YOU'RE WORSHIPING YOURSELF! ![]() Note how you condemned the church where you are worshiping, you said the doctrines there doesn't define you, If everyone should say the same thing then it simply means anybody can worship anywhere after all the doctrines of any church shouldn't define anyone! So your agitation against Jehovah's Witnesses is meaningless since there is no setting you can present as well fitting for your God, each worshiper of your God can form his/her own doctrines and standards! ![]() shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 2:47pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:It doesn't change the truth shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:56pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
God's people are orderly and organized, in the absence of that you're not a worshiper of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! ![]() shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:05pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:We all know who your God is: the JW organisation. Therefore, there is no point of reference or comparison ! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:22pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
The highlighted is Association of faithless people because if not due to the faceless social media confrontation you yourself will never say that. For you have read and studied the Bible with members of JWs and you confirmed that they truly have sound doctrines with the exception of having to do with ONE GOD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM~ ONE ORGANIZATION! ![]() shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 4:33pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Lies from the pit of hell! Evildoers parading themselves as children of the Light. No wonder sadness is not for from your members faces! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:36pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
Please are you saying you have never sat down with JWs to study the Bible while they used our publications in your life? ![]() shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 4:42pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Never once in my life. |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:11pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you mean all what you're saying about JWs is just from things you gathered from different sources and never a one on one study with JWs at any time! ![]() That makes you and i totally different, because i became a member of JWs not through birth but after a thorough search for the true religion that i encountered them and began studying the Bible with them as they are the one and only Christian group that's prepared to go and study God's word with people FREELY IN THE COMFORT OF THEIR HOME just as Jesus commanded his followers to do! So there is a big difference between you and i, you were born or you just chose any religion close to you but i took time to study diligently to be certain that i've found the group Jesus wanted me to associate with! ![]() shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 6:15pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:If with sincerity you seek the Lord, you will Find Him! It's not about finding a group but finding the LORD! Isa 55:6: "Seek you the LORD while he may be found, call you on him while he is near:" Prov 3:20: "By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew." When you seek the knowledge of God, He guides you to His TRUTH! How can one refuse knowledge and still be able to discern the truth? |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 7:21pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Three persons, not three Gods duh. |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 8:14pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
DappaD:The answer is very simple and direct. Who are these Apostles of Christ? Those who were Directly EMPOWERED, COMMISSIONED and SENT by Christ. These heard the meaning of the Sermons of Christ. They healed the sick and cast out demons! 1. Tell me what qualifies your old men in Warwick, New York to be Apostles? 2. Are they Empowered by Christ? Were they commissioned by Christ? 3. How were they sent by Christ? *Don't forget that your organisation teach that spiritual gifts and calling had ceased |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by DappaD: 9:04pm On Feb 10, 2021*. Modified: 10:12pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Those “old men” are commissioned by Jesus Christ for the following reasons: 1. They are appointed as a “faithful and discreet slave” to fulfill what is recorded at Matthew 24:45-47 by providing spiritual food to the more than 120k congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. So while the whole world is in spiritual darkness and hunger, Jehovah’s Witnesses still receive their daily and weekly doses of spiritual food from these “old men” and so we are always well fed spiritually whether pandemic or no pandemic. Isaiah 65:13, Matthew 4:4, John 6:27 2. There’s evidence that these “old men” were appointed by Jesus Christ because they’re spearheading the command at Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20, Acts 1:8 to preach the good news of God’s Kingdom to the distant part of the earth. Today, under the authority of God’s Son, this work has been organized in over 240 lands. Each member of the congregation sees it as his/her responsibility to always proclaim and declare the good news about Jehovah and his Kingdom while the angels are busy taking note of such individual efforts. Malachi 3:16-18, Hebrews 6:10 So whether pandemic or no pandemic, the good news of God’s Kingdom must be preached[by adapting to current circumstances of using virtual means] and Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing just that, with more than 8.6million of us worldwide who were active in the preaching work last year. 2Timothy 4:2 That’s what those “old men” have been able to accomplish under the authority of Jesus Christ. You can join us and support these “old men” in preaching the good news because there’s enough evidence that they’re Christ’s brothers and only those who give their support to Christ’s brothers will gain everlasting life[Matthew 25:34-40] or you can be amongst the lawless goats who choose to remain in spiritual blindness and refuse to give their support to Christ’s brothers while there is still time to do so. Matthew 25:41-46 *Don't forget that your organisation teach that spiritual gifts and calling had ceasedBy “spiritual gifts”, you mean gifts of healing, prophecy, tongues etc? Yeah those ones ceased long long loooong ago. 1Corinthians 13:8 Because if we are talking about “gifts in men”, then that’d be a totally different topic because Jesus Christ has appointed those “old men” as gifts to all of us because those “old men” are spiritually qualified to handle the responsibility given to them. Ephesians 4:8-11, 1Peter 5:2 So even though those “old men” have weighty duties and responsibilities, they are not the masters of our faith[2Corinthians 1:24] because that position “Master” belongs to Jehovah’s Son, Jesus Christ. Matthew 23:8-12 But you who believes that the “spiritual gifts” listed out in 1Corinthians 12:10 are still in use today, where was it when COVID-19 was approaching to ravage the entire earth last year? It’d be better you cut to the chase and let us know that you detest following Scriptural arrangement and laid-down principles and also adore lawlessness. Matthew 7:21-23 |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:04pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Please do you know an example of a person who search for God alone that God used him without telling him to go and meet his organized people who are orderly? Prov 3:20:People like Buddha (Asian) Muhammad (Arabia) and Guru Maharaji (Nigeria) also searched for God without joining any group, do you think they are fine examples that others can emulate? ![]() |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:11pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
Moses and Jesus said JEHOVAH is ONE not THREE Sir! Neither Moses or Jesus ever referred to God as "THEM" (plural) but "HIM" (singular) please can you quote where any of God's servants interact with more than ONE person as GOD? ![]() Image123: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 9:49pm On Feb 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Just like the Ethiopian Eunuch met Christ by joining a JW group!? ...And the Jailer became a follower of Christ by first becoming a member of the JW group! Acts 16:29-34: "Then asking for a light he rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. And leading them outside, he said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, and your household. And they spoke the Word of the Lord to him, and to all who were in his household. And taking them in that hour of the night, he washed from [their] stripes. And he was baptized, he and all his, immediately. And bringing them up to the house, he set a table before [them] and rejoiced, believing in God with all his household." God has his children all over the world to do the work of evangelism. |
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