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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:00pm On Feb 11, 2021
DappaD:
Okay okay okay so how did you know that Jesus had God’s backing? Is it not because you saw it written in the Bible? Did God call all the Israelites, sit them down and tell them that Jesus was his Son[Messiah] or were they to come to that conclusion themselves when they examined the prophecies that had been said about the Messiah?


So you’re waiting for Jesus to come and SPEAK to you personally that those “old men” in Warwick, NY are his appointed slaves, right? I’ve got all the evidence I need that those “old men” are Christ’s brothers and I’m doing my possible best to support them by preaching about Jehovah and his Kingdom[Matthew 25:34-40] but I would never see myself as being opinionated so if you can’t come to your own conclusions that those “old men” were appointed by Jesus then no need for further debate because it’s by choice anyway to be a servant of Jehovah and an ardent follower of Jesus Christ. Joshua 24:15, Luke 14:27
Is there any prophecy about the "old white men” in Warwick, NY?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:06pm On Feb 11, 2021
It was archangel Michael if you don't agree no wahala, just go and preach and teach whatever you think you know out there.
Jehovah's Witnesses have millions of dedicated preachers and teachers out there, it's you that's of no pedigree but just arguing blindly on what you can't preach nor teach with efficacy! cheesy

Image123:
i hope you are normal, where do you think you are? Was it Mr C Russel that told you that God was talking to angel Michael or where is it in the Bible?
Man is not like angels but like God. Why does Elohim have to talk to angel Michael, why not Gabriel or any of the four living creatures? Elohim which is already in plural talks to God in the creation of man. Is satan an intelligent creature? Are animals unintelligent creatures? Where did you get this fable about angels and humans being intelligent? Was Jehovah also looking for Michael's help here?
Genesis 11v7 Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:12pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Please can you present just one evidence for any of these accusations?
Note that the first century Christians were saying the Lord's day is near almost 2,000 years ago!
But they never gave a specific date!
So can you now see that you're a descendant of their persecutors who were killing them because Jesus never came back in the first century as those critics interpreted the utterances of Jesus' disciples! smiley
When did you amplify the level of your lies to this level.


Their false prophecies are easily checked because [b]they have predicted specific dates for future events such as the beginning of the millennium and the second coming of Christ.[/b]Their false prophecies are easily checked because they have predicted specific dates for future events such as the beginning of the millennium and the second coming of Christ.

https://www.chick.com/battle-cry/article?id=failed-prophecies-cast-doubt-on-all-watchtower-interpretations-of-scripture
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:13pm On Feb 11, 2021
Who is lying now?
Your friend accused a global Organization and i asked for proof he disappeared only for you to come here spewing gibberish!
OK tell your friend to present just one evidence where JW Organization mentioned a specific date in line with the end of the world.
The first century Christians also preached and taught people about the end of the world as if it's coming tomorrow, so if they never mentioned any specific date and JWs never mentioned any specific date then it means you never believed what those people penned down rather you're just following the tradition of your stupid churches. No wonder you guys can't PREACH or TEACH about God's Kingdom with efficiency since you don't believe in what they penned down! smiley

Image123:
If i don't know anyone, this one is viral. Your doctrine is what you are denying shamelessly like this. i tire for you. Does Jwickedness not teach you that God hates lying?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:15pm On Feb 11, 2021
shadeyinka:
When did you amplify the level of your lies to this level.


Their false prophecies are easily checked because [b]they have predicted specific dates for future events such as the beginning of the millennium and the second coming of Christ.[/b]Their false prophecies are easily checked because they have predicted specific dates for future events such as the beginning of the millennium and the second coming of Christ.

https://www.chick.com/battle-cry/article?id=failed-prophecies-cast-doubt-on-all-watchtower-interpretations-of-scripture
My friend, mention the specific dates nah! cheesy
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 3:17pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Who is lying now?
Your friend accused a global Organization and i asked for proof he disappeared only for you to come here spewing gibberish!
OK tell your friend to present just one evidence where JW Organization mentioned a specific date in line with the end of the world.
The first century Christians also preached and taught people about the end of the world as if it's coming tomorrow, so if they never mentioned any specific date and JWs never mentioned any specific date then it means you never believed what those people penned down rather you're just following the tradition of your stupid churches. No wonder you guys can't PREACH or TEACH about God's Kingdom with efficiency since you don't believe in what they penned down! smiley
i linked you to your church website where you rightly call gibberish. Nothing much to say about your lying except your need for the Saviour.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:17pm On Feb 11, 2021
DappaD:
Do you know why you’re funny? We all know that God created the entire universe because of the written record[Bible] and the evidence all around us. Genesis 1:1, Romans 1:20

Yet, atheists and agnostics do not believe this. Some atheists have agreed that the universe indeed came through intelligent process but they’re not ready to concede that it was a “God” behind it so that’s why they keep asking
“If God created the universe, then HOW did he do it?” even with all the evidence around us.
There is evidence that those “old men” were appointed by Jesus Christ but you keep on asking “HOW did Jesus choose them?”

In that case, you’re no more different from the atheists and agnostics because in essence you’re saying “Yes, Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing everything Jesus asked true Christians to do but HOW did Jesus choose them?” even with all the convincing evidence.

HOW? HOW?? HOW ??.?

Go and look up the meaning of that English word “DISCERNMENT” because you’re an infant when it comes to spiritual things. Hebrews 5:14

Through God’s holy spirit, only Jehovah’s Witnesses were able to DISCERN that those events at Matthew 24:3-7 would begin to take place in 1914 so it’s only amongst them that the “faithful and discreet slave” would emerge.
Matthew 24:45-47
We have the record of ALL the apostles of Christ.
Luk 6:13:
"And when it was day, he called to him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"

Paul who was not among the twelf apostles had to tell us how he became an apostle

1Cor 9:1:
"Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not you my work in the Lord?"

HOW did your eight old white men see Jesus to become APOSTLES?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:20pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what the Jewish community taught about Jesus and his disciples!
They thought these people were going contrary to the scriptures that's why Jesus said "wisdom is justified by her Children"
So present the group of people going in tune with the scriptures! cheesy



Jesus is here talking about different churches claiming Christians and shouting up and down using all forms of social media to call people for signs and wonders (which indirectly means the Christ is in their midst). So a JW should stay with the Organization that taught him all what he knew about Jehovah and his son!

Someone must have been preached to and taught before keeping all these sayings at heart Sir, those sent to go and TEACH people in the comfort of their homes are JWs! smiley


All what the Organization of JWs have taught the disciple will be unfolding one after another to prove that Jesus is around and working with his people spiritually!
See how shamelessly you lie to defend eight old white men in Warwick, NY!?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 3:22pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
It was archangel Michael if you don't agree no wahala, just go and preach and teach whatever you think you know out there.
Jehovah's Witnesses have millions of dedicated preachers and teachers out there, it's you that's of no pedigree but just arguing blindly on what you can't preach nor teach with efficacy! cheesy
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy It's Michael because awake said so. Ask them where the Bible says so. Ask them to show you why Elohim is plural and yet One. This is the truth of God in three persons. Tell them Abraham, Sarah, Moses and others referred to God as Elohim, that they should stop fooling you.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:25pm On Feb 11, 2021
DappaD:
Okay I get you now. Those miraculous gifts of holy spirit especially the gift of prophecy that was used by Paul and Peter to pen down NEW prophecies that had not yet occurred concerning the conclusion of this system of things. For example, 1Thessalonians 4:15-17, 5:2,3; 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, & 2Peter 3:1-13 came as an expression of God’s holy spirit on those men which moved them to record NEW prophecies. Compare 2Peter 1:20-21

But the time for recording new inspired prophecies has past[1John 4:1] and any who thinks he is receiving new prophecies from God or angels is actually communicating with demons[Galatians 1:8, 1Timothy 4:1] because the miraculous gifts of holy spirit ceased to exist after the first century. 1Corinthians 13:8

This does not mean that God’s active force stopped functioning. It’s only with regards to those miraculous gifts that God’s holy spirit no more works in that capacity because Satan and his agents can easily duplicate those gifts. 2Thessalonians 2:9

God’s holy spirit still functions today and he gives it to those asking in sincerity. Luke 11:13
It helps Jehovah’s Witnesses in the following ways:
1. To be able to preach and teach about the good news of God’s Kingdom. Acts 1:8
2. To endure trials and difficult circumstances. 2Corinthians 4:7, Philippians 4:13
3. To be able to cultivate fruitage of holy spirit in their gathering. Galatians 5:22-23
4. To appoint those taking the lead amongst God’s people. Acts 20:28
And the last one which is tailored to your question;
5. To reveal hidden truths about prophecies that have already been recorded in the Bible and not new prophecies. 1Corinthians 2:10

Through the Scriptures, Jehovah’s Witnesses relying on God’s holy spirit have been able to discern that Matthew 24:3-7, Luke 21:10-11, 2Timothy 3:1-5, Revelation 6:2-8, 12:7-12 began to take place in the year 1914 which marked the beginning of the “last days” and shortly after that, Jesus said he was going to appoint a “faithful and discreet slave”[Matthew 24:45-47] which took place in 1919 and that’s when the preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom from house to house started to take effect down to this day. Matthew 24:14

According to the prophet Daniel, only those having insight will understand what’s really going on. Daniel 12:10
So if you think Jesus is meant to speak directly with anybody in order for appointment to take place, then just know that you’re wasting your time because AS OF NOW, any voice you think you’re hearing from “heaven” is from Satan and his agents.
Matthew 24:23-25
Can you please address this question before I speak to the points you have raised in your quote above?
Does the Holy Spirit still speak to believers today?

Make it short please.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:26pm On Feb 11, 2021
shadeyinka:
Is there any prophecy about the "old white men” in Warwick, NY?
Jesus said "who is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appoint over his domestics to give them their food at the proper time?" to show that during the time this group will appear many like you will not believe.
So Jesus continues "Happy is that slave if his master comes finds him doing so, truly i tell you, he will appoint him over all his belongings"

So my friend which Organization has obedient followers who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching, dropped all harmful weapons, embrace one another as brothers and sisters globally as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers?

Sorry you can't answer but i'll do it's no other group but JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization, definitely those teaching them were the slave Jesus appointed to establish what God's word has foretold long ago! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 smiley
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:27pm On Feb 11, 2021
Image123:
i linked you to your church website where you rightly call gibberish. Nothing much to say about your lying except your need for the Saviour.
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Please mention the name of your stupid church! cheesy
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Feb 11, 2021
They are Jesus' BROTHERS {Matthew 25:40} the evidence is overwhelming Sir! smiley

shadeyinka:
See how shamelessly you lie to defend eight old white men in Warwick, NY!?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 3:29pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Please mention the name of your stupid church! cheesy
grin grin grin grin He's mad at me instead of thinking. i am a child of God. Let that sink in.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:30pm On Feb 11, 2021
Deuteronomy 6:4; Mrak 12:29 smiley


Image123:
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy It's Michael because awake said so. Ask them where the Bible says so. Ask them to show you why Elohim is plural and yet One. This is the truth of God in three persons. Tell them Abraham, Sarah, Moses and others referred to God as Elohim, that they should stop fooling you.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:32pm On Feb 11, 2021
Pharisees said exactly the same thing {John 8:41} but they refused to accept Jesus as Messiah! cheesy


Image123:
grin grin grin grin He's mad at me instead of thinking. i am a child of God. Let that sink in.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 3:41pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Deuteronomy 6:4; Mrak 12:29 smiley
Deu 6:4 KJV Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Mar 12:29 KJV And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Luk 24:3 KJV And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

Act 1:21 KJV Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

1Co 8:6 KJV But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

i can type 100 similar passages like you usually do like a programmed robot. Is it not a good coincidence that only Jesus is called Lord, worshipped, making man? Yet all these are said by the Bible to be GOD.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:42pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
My friend, mention the specific dates nah! cheesy
I quoted the years, you are requesting for days


Prophecies By Russell and co:
1878: End of the harvest
1881: A revised end of the harvest
1914: The end of human rulership
1918: The new terminus
1925: Resurrection of the patriarchs
1975: The worldwide jubilee
Armageddon to come within 20th century


I am sure that everyday between Jan 1 and December 31 of everyday of the year have found only excuses

It's amazing that 5 good years of tutelage yet they got all these wrong. What then was Jesus teaching them!?


Evidences: plenty from Watchtower publications

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Image123(m): 3:44pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Pharisees said exactly the same thing {John 8:41} but they refused to accept Jesus as Messiah! cheesy
Exactly the same thing? This one doesn't understand English ohh. He thinks i am an abusive lying hypocrite like him. i said you're mad/angry at me. Where did your cohorts say that to Jesus?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Magnoliaa(f): 3:44pm On Feb 11, 2021
shadeyinka:
See how shamelessly you lie to defend eight old white men in Warwick, NY!?
[color=deeppink]Do you ever get tired?? ?? ??[/color]
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:47pm On Feb 11, 2021
Magnoliaa:
[color=deeppink]Do you ever get tired?? ?? ??[/color]
Any time I exit the thread, they find a way to call me out again!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Magnoliaa(f): 3:48pm On Feb 11, 2021
shadeyinka:
Any time I exit the thread, they find a way to call me out again!
[color=deeppink]Oga o.[/color]
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:48pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
They are Jesus' BROTHERS {Matthew 25:40} the evidence is overwhelming Sir! smiley
What is the difference between you and the Seventh Day Adventists?
Are they also false Christians?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 3:51pm On Feb 11, 2021
Magnoliaa:
[color=deeppink]Oga o.[/color]
Na wa o!

From one person, they will do family meeting and form a coalition against me to defend the eight old white men at Warwick, NY.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Magnoliaa(f): 3:53pm On Feb 11, 2021
shadeyinka:
Na wa o!

From one person, they will do family meeting and form a coalition against me to defend the eight old white men at Warwick, NY.
leemao.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:34pm On Feb 11, 2021
Let me enlighten you! smiley

God first spoke of the end of badness to Adam and ever since then mankind have been looking forward to the end of badness. God kept updating his own people until the Messiah arrived, even the Jews (Jesus' own people) misconstrue the presence of the Messiah with the end of badness so while Jesus was playing his part of the prophecy that faithless generation were nursing wrong expectations until they finally condemned the Messiah. smiley
Before he left for heaven he commanded his followers to continue preaching and teaching all the time until the end! Matthew 24:14
So his true disciples are anticipating this coming relief always but they have to preach and teach anywhere they go, that's why people have been marking the years when God's people (JWs) get to new places and newly baptized disciples join hands with them in proclaiming the judgment day.
For instance when Peter and the Apostles first spoke publicly about this in different languages most Jews marked that year as the very year as the time of the end, why? Because the scriptures foretold that after the time when God pour out his spirit on Jews just as Peter corrrelated the event with the prophecy of Joel people were expecting the sun to vanish and the moon to turn into blood! Joel 2:30-31

So don't be carried away with what faithless people are saying about God's people, rather get closer to them to know what really happened! smiley


shadeyinka:
I quoted the years, you are requesting for days
Prophecies By Russell and co:
1878: End of the harvest
1881: A revised end of the harvest
1914: The end of human rulership
1918: The new terminus
1925: Resurrection of the patriarchs
1975: The worldwide jubilee
Armageddon to come within 20th century
I am sure that everyday between Jan 1 and December 31 of everyday of the year have found only excuses
It's amazing that 5 good years of tutelage yet they got all these wrong. What then was Jesus teaching them!?
Evidences: plenty from Watchtower publications
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:41pm On Feb 11, 2021
OK so you're scared of reading the Bible now that you can't even check to know why exactly i quoted the scripture! cheesy
I said "i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" and asked for the name of your irrelevant Church but instead of answering directly you said you're God's child, is that not what Pharisees told Jesus that they're God's children? John 8:41

Image123:
Exactly the same thing? This one doesn't understand English ohh. He thinks i am an abusive lying hypocrite like him. i said you're mad/angry at me. Where did your cohorts say that to Jesus?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:46pm On Feb 11, 2021
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa i warned you before you started this that you're going to smell your anus but you stupidly leap before you look!
So you don't need to run away from what you started nah! cheesy

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and we stand by the teachings of our organization anytime anywhere, it's you that's faithlessly switching from one lane to another in teaching instead of leaving ECWA for a perfect setting you're there filtering the teaching of your church! cheesy


shadeyinka:
Any time I exit the thread, they find a way to call me out again!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:48pm On Feb 11, 2021
Are they feeding from the same discreet slave? smiley


shadeyinka:
What is the difference between you and the Seventh Day Adventists?
Are they also false Christians?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:49pm On Feb 11, 2021
NO! we are defending our FAITH like no other! wink


shadeyinka:
Na wa o!
From one person, they will do family meeting and form a coalition against me to defend the eight old white men at Warwick, NY.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 5:13pm On Feb 11, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Please can you present just one evidence for any of these accusations?
Note that the first century Christians were saying the Lord's day is near almost 2,000 years ago!
But they never gave a specific date!
So can you now see that you're a descendant of their persecutors who were killing them because Jesus never came back in the first century as those critics interpreted the utterances of Jesus' disciples! smiley
My Brother, your statement :
"Note that the first century Christians were saying the Lord's day is near almost 2,000 years ago!
But they [b]never gave a specific date
![/b] "

Shadeyinka doesn't understand who you're talking about, that's the reason he's making FALSELY claims.
The Bros no know the "first century Christians".
Your statement confused Shade. cheesy
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:29pm On Feb 11, 2021
When i told him we have a language that people outside our Organization can't decipher he argued blindly back then.
Let him continue carrying the headache after all he wants to be a Christian that's not attached to any specific group, i wonder how the gift of tongues Paul spoke about will have a meaning if there is no organized group where such gift will be useful! cheesy

Janosky:
My Brother, your statement :
"Note that the first century Christians were saying the Lord's day is near almost 2,000 years ago!
But they [b]never gave a specific date
![/b] "

Shadeyinka doesn't understand who you're talking about, that's the reason he's making FALSELY claims.
The Bros no know the "first century Christians".
Your statement confused Shade. cheesy
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