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You make me laugh when you talk about credulity yet you BELIEVE in something that's not certain!

Well you need enlightenment so i'll oblige.

Money connotes ability to persuade the majority amongst the living into subscribing something you created or initiated.
Most atheists talk about communist nations as better of than religious nations but communism doesn't allow for personal value, you can't create or initiate any exclusive value!

So only credulity can make you succeed in any community where your suggestion in the second sentence works!

hakeem4:
Neither am I as credulous as a theist. The only way you can make money is by creating value in the society!

obonujoker:
Go and work hard. Pray. Attend a Bible believing church. Wait for God's time in your life. Devil never gives anything free of sorrow. Don't tie your soul. Hell fire is real. Ask God for mercy

That is a great epistle of hope,but unfortunately,the rich never followed them, those who did died wretched

MaxInDHouse:
You make me laugh when you talk about credulity yet you BELIEVE in something that's not certain!

Well you need enlightenment so i'll oblige.

Money connotes ability to persuade the majority amongst the living into subscribing something you created or initiated.
Most atheists talk about communist nations as better of than religious nations but communism doesn't allow for personal value, you can't create or initiate any exclusive value!

So only credulity can make you succeed in any community where your suggestion in the second sentence works!

First of all I do not believe in anything. So fake believe of this statement.

Secondly any atheist can say whatever they want. No atheist is the mouth piece of all atheist. We have atheist who are Marxist and we also have atheists who are capitalistic

This is the problem I’m having with you. You think atheism is synonymous to communism?There were religious communist leaders.


As a Marxist the goal of socialism; (I used the term socialism because communism has never been practiced in the real sense of it) to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.

While in capitalism the goal is to make profit.

back to the topic at hand. Money can only be made in a capitalist society of value is offered.

Performing a ritual or praying for money would never give you money. Except you have something of value to offer.

And i am telling you don't believe (trust) in any money making ideology because it doesn't necessarily mean it will work out as you believe!

If you sit down to analyse lots of business proposals coupled with the efficacy of the initiator you'll be convinced 100% yet such endeavours failed to yield positivity due to time and chances! Ecclesiastes 9:11

That's why most people turn to supernatural forces to foresee what can hinder their success, i am telling you now that 99% of world's wealthy men do consult spirit mediums before venturing into certain businesses. That's why rich men don't value poor man's idea!

They know certainly not all that glitters is gold. So there is no golden opportunity until it materialise!

hakeem4:
Performing a ritual or praying for money would never give you money. Except you have something of value to offer.

hakeem4:
so you believe hanging human part in a particular shrine and pouring some red oil and chanting incantations would bring money?

What if buhari decides to change the Nigerian currency. Will the ritual produce the new currency with the CBN’s governor signature?

I’m sure you might say the ritual is to bring good luck and etc. But why is rituals mostly common amongst the lowest class in the society. I’ve never seen or heard of any elite or high class person performing rituals to get wealthy

you've gotten the concept all wrong. ritual money doesn't mean money appearing from the sky, it opens doors for you, for example if you run a business, people will choose to buy from you always even when they don't feel like it. It gives you luck which you don't have before. you'll get favour from people. That's what the ritual does and not like it gives you magical money.

hakeem4:
First of all I do not believe in anything. So fake believe of this statement.

Secondly any atheist can say whatever they want. No atheist is the mouth piece of all atheist. We have atheist who are Marxist and we also have atheists who are capitalistic

This is the problem I’m having with you. You think atheism is synonymous to communism?There were religious communist leaders.


As a Marxist the goal of socialism; (I used the term socialism because communism has never been practiced in the real sense of it) to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.

While in capitalism the goal is to make profit.

back to the topic at hand. Money can only be made in a capitalist society of value is offered.

Performing a ritual or praying for money would never give you money. Except you have something of value to offer.

I'm an atheist but I believe in rituals because ritualism involves the use of tools in ways that are only associated with ritualists.
It has nothing to do with spirits because spirits don't exist.
Anyway,the use of these tools leads to self-transformation or it transforms the non-ritualist into something else/ritualist.
It also keeps the person a ritualist for as long as possible.
A ritualist can do things that a non-ritualist can't do.
Ritualism is not meant to induce happiness.
It's not meant to make someone a very rich and healthy human being.
It's meant to transform you into something else and keep you that way for as long as possible.
You may make money but it doesn't mean you will remain the same person you were before you became a ritualist.

harmargedon:
you've gotten the concept all wrong. ritual money doesn't mean money appearing from the sky, it opens doors for you, for example if you run a business, people will choose to buy from you always even when they don't feel like it. It gives you luck which you don't have before. you'll get favour from people. That's what the ritual does and not like it gives you magical money.

And I’m saying nothing will give you good luck. If you read my post.

HellVictorinho:
I'm an atheist but I believe in rituals because ritualism involves the use of tools in ways that are only associated with ritualists.
It has nothing to do with spirits because spirits don't exist.
Anyway,the use of these tools leads to self-transformation or it transforms the non-ritualist into something else/ritualist.
It also keeps the person a ritualist for as long as possible.
A ritualist can do things that a non-ritualist can't do.
Ritualism is not meant to induce happiness.
It's not meant to make someone a very rich and healthy human being.
It's meant to transform you into something else and keep you that way for as long as possible.
You may make money but it doesn't mean you will remain the same person you were before you became a ritualist.

transform to something else ?

hakeem4:
And I’m saying nothing will give you good luck. If you read my post.

you're very funny. well it's all based on experience. The things you don't know is greater than you.

harmargedon:
you're very funny. well it's all based on experience. The things you don't know is greater than you.

did you experience ritual first hand or you were told by someone how it works

harmargedon:
Then it shows you know little about life. Don't spend too much time on SC-FI movies and fiction. There are lots of things you need to know, but you can't do that by seating down and staring at your TV. So you believe that people missing and being used for rituals are just tales right. Be careful of what you wish for. A wise man doesn't learn from experience.

you only believe what you've been fed by the media and your religious leaders since birth lol such a bleeped up mentality, wise men learn from nothing else but experience abeg dey try use your brain and not just believing things blindly as your storybooks told you to.

CodeTemplar:
There are over a thousand I could assist you with. One popular one I can do for you involves a lot of ingredients. You will need seedlings(yam, corn, beans, rice) Tractors, hoes, cutlasses, drum of diesel, fertilizer, 10 hectare of land, manure, water, sunshine and shovels.

It an age old one and works like fire. Even God is in support of it.

your sarcasm ehn lol make he go back to agriculture

Dliquidmetal:
your sarcasm ehn lol make he go back to agriculture

Not really a sarcasm. A potent money ritual that is. It works for everybody willing to apply themselves.

It's REAL but it's not gonna work for atheists.

WHY?

The demons (spirits) behind it only takes pleasure in loyalists not atheists who aren't loyal to anyone, that's why you will continue to doubt it whereas people who are into it will tell you they're Born Again as in saved in the mighty name of Jesus to blur the insight of any suspecting observer. But in reality they know the person to whom they truly belong!

hakeem4:
did you experience ritual first hand or you were told by someone how it works

MaxInDHouse:
It's REAL but it's not gonna work for atheists.

WHY?

The demons (spirits) behind it only takes pleasure in loyalists not atheists who aren't loyal to anyone, that's why you will continue to doubt it whereas people who are into it will tell you they're Born Again as in saved in the mighty name of Jesus to blur the insight of any suspecting observer. But in reality they know the person to whom they truly belong!

Lol, funny guy.

Dliquidmetal:
you only believe what you've been fed by the media and your religious leaders since birth lol such a bleeped up mentality, wise men learn from nothing else but experience abeg dey try use your brain and not just believing things blindly as your storybooks told you to.

This shows your level of exposure. I would not argue with people who seat around staring at the TV all day. like I said earlier. when the time comes you'd get the experience in full. But if you still want me to show you I can, but that's if you make it out alive because people like you are food to the gods.

This is not funny my guy, many Pastors has been caught laying people alive inside concretes as the foundation of their Church buildings.
If they weren't caught you will continue to wonder if it's just the same preaching that most Pastors does on radio and TV that people now leave their homes and travel all the way from one State to another State to here!
Well that's the result of money rituals!
The effected souls must come and donate even when they're in need!

kingxsamz:
Lol, funny guy.

MaxInDHouse:
This is not funny my guy, many Pastors has been caught laying people alive inside concretes as the foundation of their Church buildings.
If they weren't caught you will continue to wonder if it's just the same preaching that most Pastors does on radio and TV that people now leave their homes and travel all the way from one State to another State to here!
Well that's the result of money rituals!
The effected souls must come and donate even when they're in need!

Lol, it's Still funny.
And your explanation is funny also. But okay.

harmargedon:
This shows your level of exposure. I would not argue with people who seat around staring at the TV all day. like I said earlier. when the time comes you'd get the experience in full. But if you still want me to show you I can, but that's if you make it out alive because people like you are food to the gods.

how do you know I stare at TV all day? those who consume all what's being aired on the media are people like you not me lol,I dont follow what the majority does because that shit is boring man and as regards you showing me anything,I dont need to be shown shit because I already know it's all a pile of horse dung so move along with your mind enslavement but try and emancipate yourself sha 4 your own good.

That's why i told the other atheist there is money rituals and it has nothing to do with value otherwise you have to tell me what value these so called PASTORS buying 4~5 private jets here and there are making in the society!

kingxsamz:
Lol, it's Still funny.
And your explanation is funny also. But okay.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i told the other atheist there is money rituals and it has nothing to do with value otherwise you have to tell me what value these so called PASTORS buying 4~5 private jets here and there are making in the society!

Lol, funny guy. Those pastors are selling dreams. And their members feel it's working. Plus Nigerians are too religious, so they'd believe almost anything their pastors say. So money will surely flow.
If the ritual can only work when you venture into a business ( selling what is of value to others ) and cannot make Dangote or Elon Musk to walk up to you and give you 50Million dollars, or make 50Million dollars appear in your room, then it's a waste of time. E no dey work.
If you do money rituals and I buy your product, I wasn't hypnotized na. I only bought what I needed. That's what that other guy is telling you. The money doesn't fall from the sky. And it's usually broke people and people who are envious of another person's wealth that creates conspiracies about someone's success or wealth. And the way you explain this ritual thing sef, it's like you've ventured into the business and e no work for you, but you're here disguising. Nollywood really dealt with you sha. That's why I called you a funny man.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm now i get you.

Well i'm thriving in my own business anyway what we're discussing here is about people whose form of business adds no real value yet they're movers and shakers in the society today.
The value you're talking about has always been there, each generation is just coming to reform it what mankind NEED is food, clothing, shelter and information any other venture is invented based on human WANTS which adds little or no value at all, that's where rituals come in!

Something has to stimulate their innate desire for this WANTS before it could become big time business. A musical competition was labeled "IDOLS" because the artists must be idolized before the entertainment industry can grow. It's not part of the NEEDS of humans but WANTS so SPIRITISM must be implored for such a venture to expand.

Though you guys only believe in what you can see but i tell you there are lots and lots of things happening around and affecting your very well being (existence) on this planet that you can't see with ordinary eyes, you can only perceive it with your minds eyes!

kingxsamz:
Lol, funny guy. Those pastors are selling dreams. And their members feel it's working. Plus Nigerians are too religious, so they'd believe almost anything their pastors say. So money will surely flow.
If the ritual can only work when you venture into a business ( selling what is of value to others ) and cannot make Dangote or Elon Musk to walk up to you and give you 50Million dollars, or make 50Million dollars appear in your room, then it's a waste of time. E no dey work.
If you do money rituals and I buy your product, I wasn't hypnotized na. I only bought what I needed. That's what that other guy is telling you. The money doesn't fall from the sky. And it's usually broke people and people who are envious of another person's wealth that creates conspiracies about someone's success or wealth. And the way you explain this ritual thing sef, it's like you've ventured into the business and e no work for you, but you're here disguising. Nollywood really dealt with you sha. That's why I called you a funny man.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm now i get you.

Well i'm thriving in my own business anyway what we're discussing here is about people whose form of business adds no real value yet they're movers and shakers in the society today.
The value you're talking about has always been there, each generation is just coming to reform it what mankind NEED is food, clothing, shelter and information any other venture is invented based on human WANTS which adds little or no value at all, that's where rituals come in!

Something has to stimulate their innate desire for this WANTS before it could become big time business. A musical competition was labeled "IDOLS" because the artists must be idolized before the entertainment industry can grow. It's not part of the NEEDS of humans but WANTS so SPIRITISM must be implored for such a venture to expand.

Though you guys only believe in what you can see but i tell you there are lots and lots of things happening around and affecting your very well being (existence) on this planet that you can't see with ordinary eyes, you can only perceive it with your minds eyes!

Lol, you don shift goal posts but it's all good.
You went from value to Human needs/wants after I pointed out that you can only acquire wealth by giving out or selling what is of value to others. Most people who believe in money rituals believes that it hypnotizes one to give you money or make money appear. The explanation you're giving is your own explanation o.
Whether a musical group names themselves 'Idol' or they name themselves 'Money Ritual', it still doesn't change the fact that their listeners are drawn to them because they're being entertained. Simple. The scenario you gave makes me think you're one of those who believe that Justin Bieber, Beyonce, Jayz, Rihanna got famous because they joined illuminati. Lol.
And if that is the case, then upcoming or unknown artists can become famous overnight.
My guy, in conclusion, the only thing that'll make me believe this money ritual thing is if money can be made out of thin air, not through the same means people have been making money since time immemorial. If the money dey disappear and appear and we see am say e happen, we go believe na. It's the same case where we haven't seen someone grow back an amputated limb but claim that miracles exists.

kingxsamz:
The scenario you gave makes me think you're one of those who believe that Justin Bieber, Beyonce, Jayz, Rihanna got famous because they joined illuminati. Lol.
And if that is the case, then upcoming or unknown artists can become famous overnight. .

What? You don’t believe in the Illuminati?!!

I’m a member of the Golden Quorum of Illumini, New York Chapter. So, I was there back in 2010 when a young Justin Bieber was brought to our temple for the Baphomet goat sacrificies.

I was there in 2005 when they brought Rihanna from Barbados for the Supralunar sacrifices. Her stardom is guaranteed by the sacrifice of two turtle doves, two ravens, a bald cat, and an albino parrot. I was too young to attend Jay Z’s initiation back in 1996 but I was an alter lad for Beyoncé’s sacrificies in 1999. Beyoncé Illuminati connection is deep. Might be the deepest. Except Hillary Clinton.

Value is not all there is my friend, there is much as in much more to the riches people are making today!

As for entertainment it's just the endtime spirit in the air that's carrying people along with them, it has nothing to do with VALUE!

kingxsamz:
Lol, you don shift goal posts but it's all good.
You went from value to Human needs/wants after I pointed out that you can only acquire wealth by giving out or selling what is of value to others. Most people who believe in money rituals believes that it hypnotizes one to give you money or make money appear. The explanation you're giving is your own explanation o.
Whether a musical group names themselves 'Idol' or they name themselves 'Money Ritual', it still doesn't change the fact that their listeners are drawn to them because they're being entertained. Simple. The scenario you gave makes me think you're one of those who believe that Justin Bieber, Beyonce, Jayz, Rihanna got famous because they joined illuminati. Lol.
And if that is the case, then upcoming or unknown artists can become famous overnight.
My guy, in conclusion, the only thing that'll make me believe this money ritual thing is if money can be made out of thin air, not through the same means people have been making money since time immemorial. If the money dey disappear and appear and we see am say e happen, we go believe na. It's the same case where we haven't seen someone grow back an amputated limb but claim that miracles exists.

Martian:
What? You don’t believe in the Illuminati?!!

I’m a member of the Golden Quorum of Illumini, New York Chapter. So, I was there back in 2010 when a young Justin Bieber was brought to our temple for the Baphomet goat sacrificies.

I was there in 2005 when they brought Rihanna from Barbados for the Supralunar sacrifices. Her stardom is guaranteed by the sacrifice of two turtle doves, two ravens, a bald cat, and an albino parrot. I was too young to attend Jay Z’s initiation back in 1996 but I was an initiate for Beyoncé’s sacrificies in 1999. Beyoncé Illuminati connection is deep. Might be the deepest. Except Hillary Clinton.

Omg
Really? Now I believe. Chai so these things are real and happening? Chai.

MaxInDHouse:
Value is not all there is my friend, there is much as in much more to the riches people are making today!

As for entertainment it's just the endtime spirit in the air that's carrying people along with them, it has nothing to do with VALUE!

Omo you don twist this conversation. No need again.

No further need at least your fellow atheist has confirmed there is much more to the fame and wealth you're seeing around you!

Now you BELIEVE!

kingxsamz:
Omo you don twist this conversation. No need again.

kingxsamz:
Omg
Really? Now I believe. Chai so these things are real and happening? Chai.

are u being sarcastic

MaxInDHouse:
fellow atheist

I am not an atheist.

I don’t believe/ disbelieve in “god” because there is no coherent definition or idea of it.

What is God?
That’s a rhetorical question. No reply required.

Femzaremz:
are u being sarcastic

No, he has seen the light. Illumini!!!!

Martian:
No, he has seen the light. Illumini!!!!