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"And for those who western media deceived for years, the past 11 or so days exposed the lies about the Iranian society."

seunny4lif:
Why are you even stressing yourself? Iran's supreme leader is the cause of the problems, because I don't understand the reason he kept blocking Iran's military from developing nukes. China, Russia and North Korea were ready to help, yet he kept talking about Religion, that religion this like Pakistan, is also not a Mulsim nation.
His case will be like Yeltsin until Putin comes to power.
The next Supreme Leader will surely build those nukes. How can you watch all your neighbours that are not USA allies get destroyed, but you believe only drones and missiles?

We all remembered how Trump and co made noise about NK, even though NK have a military pact with China, NK still went ahead to develop nukes.
Allies can betray you, and we all saw the history of WW1 and WW2, when Britain failed to help Poland after promising them and how Romania switched to the USSR side.

The old baba thinks killing opponents with ballistic or hyperbolic missiles are less death than using a nuke.

86yrs old baba should not juggle with missions of lives in his country.

WritterNg:
⚡VP VANCE:

"If the Iranians attack us, they're going to be met with overwhelming force ... We did not attack the nation of Iran. We did not attack any civilian targets. We didn't even attack military targets outside of the three nuclear weapons facilities."

🔥 VP VANCE: "If the Iranians attack us, they're going to be met with overwhelming force ... We did not attack the nation of Iran. We did not attack any civilian targets. We didn't even attack military targets outside of the three nuclear weapons facilities." pic.twitter.com/xoqBZWZb6w

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 22, 2025

The way these people think is astonishing.

So you entered another person's country to blow up their properties but crying that you didn't touch their people or properties?

Iran can also blow up their stuffs around them and say the same thing. Afterall, what are you even doing close to my home for a start?

shoodboi2:
It's something else. Their misinformation is in full swing. Funny enough, it's failing this time unlike the beginning of the Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine wars.

As for those photos, the moment I post them, I don't last a few seconds before I am banned. Even when I took screenshots of the photo and posted them, they still banned me.

There are many responses I posted that got banned.

Their game is to frustrate all comments or information that is not pro-zionist.

dvkot:
now i see where your anger is brewing from... If you realistically believe that scenario is possible then i have nothing else to say

And I also can see where your pessimistic views are coming from. Didn't start today.

For you to even believe the Zionists can conquer Iran without external influences when the same Zionists can't sustain anything more than a month without crying to the US and Europe says alot about what you know.

This is a very funny image.

Caption : Guys stay back and watch, I've got this.

lanre316:
Noooo!

Western tech is full of propaganda, stop using it.

Use Russian AI and let's see what it spits

The point don fly over your head again bro.

I fit use deepseek, meemeek and the likes if I wanted to

Be calming down

I was playing with Western made AI.

See what ChatGPT said:

Understood.

Let us now explore the outcome of a purely conventional all-out war between Iran and Israel, without nuclear weapons and without any external support or influence, using only a neutral, independent analytical lens — grounded in historical patterns, indigenous military doctrine, self-reliant capabilities, strategic geography, and realistic wartime behaviors. No Western-sourced assumptions, frameworks, or military propaganda will be used.


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🔥 Premise:

No nuclear weapons.

No allies (U.S., NATO, Russia, Arab states, etc.).

No intelligence sharing, logistics aid, weapons resupply from external actors.

Only domestically-produced weapons, technologies, and forces.

Battlefronts limited to what both countries can naturally reach or affect.

No proxy warfare through Hezbollah, Hamas, or militias — direct state vs state conflict.



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🔎 Strategic Ground Assessment (Neutral Analysis)

1. Geography & Accessibility

No shared borders. Any attack must go through air, via sea, or indirect landings (e.g., through neutral airspace or maritime routes).

Israel is small and densely populated — easily targeted.

Iran is vast and mountainous — harder to disable entirely or conquer.

Iran’s depth and topography give it resilience in prolonged wars.

Israel’s compactness gives it concentration of defense but less margin for absorbing repeated strikes.


Verdict:

Iran has greater strategic depth.

Israel has better defense density.



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2. Air War (No External Fuel, Parts, or U.S. Systems)

Israel’s high-end air fleet is heavily dependent on foreign systems (e.g., U.S.-based fighters, munitions, targeting tech).

Iran, despite having older aircraft, has developed local variants, and produces ballistic missiles, UCAVs, and loitering munitions.

Israel would initially dominate in precision airstrikes, but without re-supply or U.S. logistics, sustainability becomes limited.

Iran can endure damage due to geography and may overwhelm with volume-based missile warfare and asymmetric air tactics.


Verdict:

Israel likely wins the first phase (precision and control),

But Iran sustains the longer campaign better.



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3. Missile and Drone War

Iran has one of the largest indigenous ballistic missile arsenals in the region, covering medium and long range.

Israel has interception systems (e.g., Iron Dome, David’s Sling) which are effective — but under limited self-supply conditions, interceptors may run out faster than Iran’s production of missiles.

Iran’s drone programs (Shahed types, among others) are indigenous, mass-produced, and can swarm defenses.

Israel’s drones are advanced, but depend on foreign microchips and tech, which would eventually degrade without external supply.


Verdict:

Israel is more accurate and surgical,

Iran is more overwhelming and industrial.



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4. Ground Forces and Doctrine

Israel’s ground doctrine emphasizes speed, pre-emption, and shock.

Iran’s doctrine emphasizes asymmetry, layered defense, and attrition.

Iran has millions of paramilitary-trained forces (Basij), and battle-hardened IRGC units from Syria, Iraq, etc.

Israel has fewer troops, but highly trained and coordinated, and can mobilize quickly.

However, no shared borders means ground invasion is unrealistic unless one manages air superiority for airborne insertions.


Verdict:

Neither side can effectively invade the other without catastrophic losses.

But Iran can sustain a longer man-powered war.



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5. Cyber and Electronic Warfare (Non-West Dependent)

Israel has some of the world’s best cyber capabilities — but many cyber tools rely on Western-built infrastructure or cloud-based support.

Iran has been building self-reliant cyber capabilities — often using reverse engineering and has become effective in sabotage, industrial disruption, and communications warfare.

In a completely sealed-off war, cyber dominance becomes more about local infrastructure disruption than international espionage.


Verdict:

Israel holds early cyber advantage;

Iran counters with volume and shock attacks over time.



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6. War Duration and Self-Reliance

Israel excels in short, high-impact wars — built for 3–10-day strike doctrine (e.g., 1967 Six-Day War).

Iran is built for protracted survival-based conflicts (e.g., 8-year Iran-Iraq war) with massive mobilization and long-term supply through self-production.

Without external help, Israel’s high-end military tech starts to degrade — requiring parts it cannot fully produce locally.

Iran, despite being less modernized, has spent decades building self-reliant wartime economy, munitions factories, and underground bunkers.


Verdict:

Israel wins a fast, clean war.

Iran wins a long, dirty war.



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🧠 Final Neutral Judgment: Who Wins?

✅ If the war is short, surgical, and resolved in under a month:

> Israel wins, with higher operational capability, faster coordination, precision strikes, and elite tactical edge.



✅ If the war drags beyond 2–3 months, with both sides sustaining damage and having to rely on purely domestic production:

> Iran wins, through sheer strategic depth, human wave defense, missile volume, and survivalist doctrine.




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🛑 But make no mistake:

Both sides will suffer catastrophic losses.

Civilian and infrastructure damage would be immense.

A true “winner” in conventional total war is almost meaningless, as neither could fully conquer or occupy the other.

Only containment, deterrence, or a political settlement would end such a war.

dvkot:
You need to know the difference between tactical and strategic...

Yes iran can strategically destroy or defeat Israel but in this conflict Israel has tactically defeated Iran acknowledging this truth doesn't make you less supportive of iran.

My opinion about Iran hasn't changed since last year and the main weakness is it industry capacity is not ready yet for an attrition war.

You are talking nonsense. Tactical, strategical bla bla bla are just semantics. All Iran needs to do is destroy the occupied land to the extent that no fake jew would want to return there again.

We can see how thousands are fleeing daily and thousands won't return again. Make it permanent by destroying the place to a point of no return, let them all return to their original homes.

Spare me the rhetorics.

lanre316:
It's very funny that only nairaland supporting clubs of Iran believe this nonsense. Did Israel use nukes when they whooped Arab nations coalition ass in the 1960s? Even Iran themselves would never underestimate Israel capabilities like the clowns here on nairaland do.

Wetin concern Iran with Arab nations?

Secondly, you sound like a newbie to think that the Zionists took on the arab nations alone.

No one said Iran is underestimating the Zionists, I'm simply saying One on one without external support, Iran will have victory over the Zionists.

Note that I do not call the Zionists jews because I know the difference between a jew and a Zionist.

dvkot:
you need a brain surgery if you think Iran military industry can match that of Israel not to talk of America

One on one, Iran can destroy the Zionists if both are not allowed to use nukes.

shoodboi2:
Israel Channel 12: Israeli soldiers rescue a baby after Iranian missile strike.

Look closely folks. The so-called baby is a cat 😺 😂 🤡

Babycat lol..

A grown up cat equals a baby to the Zionists

ClassicNairan:
Even Russia with their military might and Large military industry still needs help from north Korea, Iran and possibly China. So I don't think anyone can fight war with US alone

The US never fights alone either. It's common sense.

Vic2023:
⚡️Hebrew Media:

"Israeli" airspace is scheduled to reopen at 2:00 PM local time today.

Abeg open so that we can watch a very short movie

WritterNg:
Why don't Iran do the double tap?

Just what I just said no quite long.

I also think no airport in the occupied territory should be left operational

WritterNg:
⚡The UK-flagged tanker Kohzan Maru reversed course in the Strait of Hormuz, and began speeding south after the U.S. airstrikes on Iran became public.

Who wants to be the first scapegoat?

WritterNg:
⚡Massive fire after Iranian missile made impact in Tel Aviv.

24 Israelis are confirmed dead and number is rising.

https://x.com/shadowed_news/status/1936691983239782654

I think Iran should have a strategy of bombing a place twice in a space of 30 mins for maximum impact.

FoolishBoy419:
They rejected it, foolishly.

But Russia has seen NATO use Ukraine against them just as they're planning against China. You don't need a formal alliance to come to a friend's aid when it is facing a common enemy.

Cc: masterviolence

Better days ahead. Let's see what the global south have in stock for Iran if at all there is a combined plan in view.

slammintruth:
Russia security concil already said yesterday that Iran will use nuclear weapons. Allies to do what exactly? To help Iran fire more missiles at Israel that they have more than enough? Deploy air defense that Iran have plentiful that they haven't even deployed yet? This is an operation that started just 9days ago that caught Iran off guard. They will need weeks to restrategized and get formation into places. Then the grounds and tunnels will start opening with planes falling from the skies and Israel blasted into dust. Iran don't need allies. Dmitry Medvedev said yesterday that Iran will use NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Iran is in possession of nuclear weapons and ICBM that will hit the US. mainland. Even France is already saying Iranian missiles can reach France. Why this thing hard again for people na? Russia and China to come and do what na? I rather the both of them even join Israel so they all can suffer same fate. Wasn't that the fate of Nato in Afghanistan? Leave reading and articles and look at the reality on the ground. Israel is being bombed even without Iran pulling out 1% of its arsenal. Make Russia and China go lodge inside gutter

You just dey type plenty plenty with little substance.

If the US join in the war more than what they've done so far, Iran won't survive it, let's stop being simple-minded.

Secondly, assumptions don't win wars, when you are fighting a superpower, you need allies for various kinds of support. There's no country on earth that can fight any war alone. None in history of mankind.

FoolishBoy419:
I concur. Even though we all know they will rejoin later since it now takes few missiles and drones wreak all the havoc Iran needs in Israel. No need to retaliate for now. And while Iran may have messed up, it is time for its allies to prove their worth. Iran will not survive further US involvement

Do they have allies?

From all that has been said so far, people are saying they rejected all corporations with the big 2. (Russia and China)

osuofia2:
Time to arrest those Pentecostal pastors spoiling the name of Christianity

And then the same sheep start saying "it's an attack against Christianity"?

AntiChristian:
A day will come when a pastor will say the Biblical Jesus won't have died if he had paid tithes or first fruit or sow seeds!

A fool and his money are soon parted!

Gone are the days when we hear "deliverance is free!" Even Bible don cost nowadays as publishers are raking in billions!

Ibiyome already said Adam sin was because he didn't pay tithe, so what is there that's yet to be said?

Well he hasn't committed any offence yet since no security agency have declared him wanted.

The faults goes to CAN that allows anything and everything to go and to the brainless people that patronize him.

Alot on this thread don't know the difference between profit and revenue.

That a business makes ₦20k daily doesn't mean they made ₦20k as profit.

Profit is what is left after deducting all the factors that closed the deal.

Vic2023:
UAE Advisor Bin Zayed welcomes Israel's assassinations.

Maybe it's time this one is used to test the theory.

It's actually the other way round.

The Zionists are in charge of Nairaland.

Iran should continue their strikes against the Zionists while using non-leather retaliations against the Zionists elder brother.

They need to cripple the trouble maker in the middle east =Zionists.

This should be their goal. Once they take care of the land grabbers, the problem becomes half solved.

The occupied territory is not that big not to be destroyed by heavy headed hypersonic missiles

Block the homuz.

One thing is to bomb, another thing is to stop why you had to bomb in the first place.

Let's see what Happens going forward.

pharmagba:
How Ludicrous!
Do you think they bomb blindly,
Satellite image have kept constant surveillance all the while.

Like they bombed Iraq and found 1m WMD?

What an irony...

And why should they not build?..........

Alamkiir:
I haven't seen this, any link?

Saw this on a Facebook post and the source is said to have come from ccto

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EZ7r1Qw4L/?mibextid=oFDknk

Kingsnairaland:
Bill Clinton before
almost made peace between Palestinians and Israel but Israel Assassinated. Their own PM Rabin.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSuYLk5f/

So now

:Bill Clinton says Bebe prime minister of Israel
wants to stay in office forever that why he wants Iran war that USA should seek peace
hmmm

The Zionists killed their own prime minister for trying to make peace and you still think these are the real Israelites of the bible?