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olasubomi007:
You sure say you dey read bible??

Paul no ever see Jesus face to Face na

This clearly shows you dont read the bible or maybe you always read it upside down.

Acts 9:1-9

1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

The first time Jesus appeared to Paul was on the road to Damascus (Acts 26.12,15-16) when he believed and became saved. Jesus said to Paul, "other times I will I appear unto you" (v.16).

But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, "Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome" (Matt. 23.11). This took place when the Commander, Claudius Lysias, had taken Paul to the Jewish High Council to try to resolve the matter between the Jews and Paul. They tried to "tear him apart" (v.10), so the Commander removed Paul from their presence with his soldiers.

This is twice Jesus appeared to Paul visible in Person.

olasubomi007:
Baba.. I no read all this your long epistle..

Paul never see Jesus face to face.. Camera no dey wet dem go fit camera Jesus..

So no contest

This clearly shows you dont read the bible or maybe you always read it upside down.

Acts 9:1-9

1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

The first time Jesus appeared to Paul was on the road to Damascus (Acts 26.12,15-16) when he believed and became saved. Jesus said to Paul, "other times I will I appear unto you" (v.16).

But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, "Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome" (Matt. 23.11). This took place when the Commander, Claudius Lysias, had taken Paul to the Jewish High Council to try to resolve the matter between the Jews and Paul. They tried to "tear him apart" (v.10), so the Commander removed Paul from their presence with his soldiers.

This is twice Jesus appeared to Paul visible in Person.

Shalom!

I am just seeing your reply to my post, I have not been around to give a swift reply.

However, I will reply your post in a simple manner...you said so much but sadly you made no sense out of all you typed.

Here's why:

PAUL WAS NEVER A DISCIPLE OF LORD YAHSHUA- STOP LYING.

Firstly, you should ask yourself ...who is a disciple?

Answer: The term disciple primarily refers to dedicated followers of Jesus. This term is found in the New Testament only in the Gospels and Acts. In the ancient world a disciple is a follower or adherent of a teacher. It is not the same as being a student in the modern sense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_(Christianity)

Secondly, Does Jesus Christ have other disciples aside the famous twelve disciples?

Answer: YES

SEE BIBLICAL PROOF

John 6:53-70 King James Version (KJV)

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples,
when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

As you can see from the above scriptural verses, Jesus Christ had many, when many disciples left him he said unto the famous twelve disciples 'will ye also go away?

Bro, it is evident you lack biblical knowledge. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling me a liar based on your ignorance of the scripture.

IF PAUL WAS A DISCIPLE OF LORD YAHSHUA, PLEASE SHOW WHERE HE USED ANY OF YAHSHUA'S PARABLES IN HIS TEACHINGS.

How does using a parable of Jesus Christ make him less a disciple? Is using one of the parables of Jesus Christ a yardstick to become a disciple or a christian?...For the records, Paul wrote more books in the new testament more than what the famous twelve disciples wrote.

PAUL'S TEACHING ON LOVE:

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

JESUS CHRIST TEACHING ON LOVE:

Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Now tell me if there is any contradiction on both the teachings of Paul and that of Jesus Christ on the greatest commandment LOVE. For your information, parables are story lines or analogies to pass a message across, they are NOT doctrines.

PAUL NEVER RENOUNCED PHARISEEISM.

But he still went ahead championing christianity by writing the most books in the new testament... Dont you think this is ironic from your point of view?

The 13 books attributed to Paul are: Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Colossians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy and Titus.

PAUL WAS NEVER WITH LORD YAHSHUA, AND NEVER HAD ANY CHANCE OF LORD YAHSHUA MANIFESTING TO HIM.

This clearly shows you dont read the bible or maybe you always read it upside down.

Acts 9:1-9

1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

The first time Jesus appeared to Paul was on the road to Damascus (Acts 26.12,15-16) when he believed and became saved. Jesus said to Paul, "other times I will I appear unto you" (v.16).

But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, "Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome" (Matt. 23.11). This took place when the Commander, Claudius Lysias, had taken Paul to the Jewish High Council to try to resolve the matter between the Jews and Paul. They tried to "tear him apart" (v.10), so the Commander removed Paul from their presence with his soldiers.

This is twice Jesus appeared to Paul visible in Person.

Bro, you need to start reading your bible with an open heart, reading the bible with a heart filled with hate makes you blind to the truth.

IF LORD YAHSHUA COULD APPEAR TO PAUL, WHO WAS HELPING TO MURDER CHRISTIANS AT THE TIME, THEN HE SHOULD SO APPEAR TO EVERY SINNER: BEING NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.

You cannot force Jesus Christ to appear to you just as you cannot force an earthly king to appear to you, Jesus Christ is not your servant that you order around. He is a mercy God and shows mercy to whomever he chooses. Repent and submit yourself totally to him and he would visit you.

PAUL WAS THE DEVIL TRANSFORMING HIMSELF INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT

If Paul is the devil according to your submission then the new testament of the bible is the devils book because Paul wrote the most books in the new testament...If that is the case then you are of the devil...period.

Why do you people never consider that YOU might be THE DARKNESS?

From all what you wrote, it is cristal clear even to the blind that you are wallowing in thick darkness, my prayer for you is that you see the light before it is too late.

casttlebarbz:
there ain't any epistle about kim k anywhere if u find one u can mention me on it, for now i"ll pass

Epistle is a term used for "long stories" as you claim the post is too long, of course there's no epistle of Kim k anywhere, what I meant was if there was a "long story" of Kim K's body people won't mind creating time to read all the stories but when it comes to posts that can enlighten them they become lazy to read. I hope you now get the point.

casttlebarbz:
ah ! i didn't bother reading al that o

But if it is the epistle of how Kim Kardashian got her hips or 1000 steps on how to catch a fine babe...you will read ALL abi?

Many atheists, neo-pagans, and other disbelievers of Christianity claim the story of Jesus Christ was borrowed from earlier mythologies. In recent years, a claim has been making the rounds that Jesus is based on the Egyptian god, Horus.

Who was Horus?

Horus is one of the oldest recorded deities in the ancient Egyptian religion. Often depicted as a falcon or a man with a falcon head, Horus was believed to be the god of the sun and of war. Initially he appeared as a local god, but over time the ancient Egyptians came to believe the reigning pharaoh was a manifestation of Horus (cf. Encyclopedia Britannica, “Horus”).

What about Jesus?

The skeptical claims being made about Jesus are not always the same. In some versions he was a persuasive teacher whose followers later attempted to deify him by adopting aspects of earlier god-figures, while in others he is merely an amalgamation of myths and never really existed at all. Both versions attempt to provide evidence that the Gospel accounts of the life of Christ are rip-offs.

In the 2008 documentary film Religulous (whose name is a combination of religion andridiculous), erstwhile comedian and political commentator Bill Maher confronts an unprepared Christian with this claim. Here is part of their interaction.

Bill Maher: But the Jesus story wasn’t original.

Christian man: How so?

Maher: Written in 1280 B.C., the Book of the Dead describes a God, Horus. Horus is the son of the god Osiris, born to a virgin mother. He was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer who was later beheaded. Like Jesus, Horus was tempted while alone in the desert, healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, and walked on water. He raised Asar from the dead. “Asar” translates to “Lazarus.” Oh, yeah, he also had twelve disciples. Yes, Horus was crucified first, and after three days, two women announced Horus, the savior of humanity, had been resurrected.

Maher is only repeating things that are and believed by many people today. Similar claims are made in movies such as Zeitgeist and Religulous and in pseudo-academic books such as Christ in Egypt: The Jesus-Horus Connection and Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth.

Often Christians are not prepared for this type of encounter, and some are even swayed by this line of argumentation. Maher’s tirade provides a good summary of the claims, so let’s deconstruct it, one line at a time.

Written in 1280 BC, the Book of the Dead describes a God, Horus.
In fact, there are many “books of the dead.” But there is no single, official Book of the Dead. The books are collections of ancient Egyptian spells that were believed to help the deceased on their journey to the afterlife. The title Book of the Dead comes from an Arabic label referring to the fact that the books were mostly found with mummies (cf. The Oxford Essential Guide to Egyptian Mythology, “Funerary Literature”). Some of these texts contain vignettes depicting the god Horus, but they don’t tell us much about him.

Our information about Horus comes from a variety of archaeological sources. What we do know from the most recent scholarship on the subject is that there were many variations of the story, each of them popularized at different times and places throughout the 5,000-year span of ancient Egyptian history. Egyptologists recognize the possibility that these differences may have been understood as aspects or facets of the same divine persona, but they nevertheless refer to them as distinct Horus-gods (cf. The Oxford Essential Guide to Egyptian Mythology, “Horus”).

Part of the problem with the “Jesus is Horus” claim is that in order to find items that even partially fit the life story of Jesus, advocates of the view must cherry-pick bits of myth from different epochs of Egyptian history. This is possible today because modern archaeology has given us extensive knowledge of Egypt’s religious beliefs and how they changed over time, making it possible to cite one detail from this version of a story and another from that.

But the early Christians, even if they had wanted to base the Gospels on the Horus myths, would have had no way to do so. They might have known what was believed about Horus in the Egypt of their day, but they would have had no access to the endless variations of the stories that laid buried in the sands until archaeologists started digging them up in the 1800s.

Another part of the problem is that the claimed parallels between Jesus and Horus contain half-truths, distortions, and flat-out falsehoods. For example...

Horus is the son of the god Osiris, born to a virgin mother.
The mother of Horus was believed to be the goddess Isis. Her husband, the god Osiris, was killed by his enemy Seth, the god of the desert, and later dismembered. Isis managed to retrieve all of Osiris’s body parts except for his phallus, which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by catfish. (I’m not making this up). Isis used her goddess powers to temporarily resurrect Osiris and fashion a golden phallus. She was then impregnated, and Horus was conceived. However this story may be classified, it is not a virgin birth.

He was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded.
There is no character named Anup the Baptizer in ancient Egyptian mythology. This is the concoction of a 19th-century English poet and amateur Egyptologist by the name of Gerald Massey (see sidebar 2 below). Massey is the author of several books on the subject of Egyptology; however, professional Egyptologists have largely ignored his work. In fact, his writing is held in such low regard in archaeological circles that it is difficult to find references to him in reputable modern publications.

In the book Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection (Stellar House Publishing, 2009), author D. M. Murdoch, drawing heavily from Gerald Massey, identifies “Anup the Baptizer” as the Egyptian god Anubis. Murdoch then attempts to illustrate parallels between Anubis and John the Baptist.

Some evidence exists in Egyptian tomb paintings and sculptures to support the idea that a ritual washing was done during the coronation of Pharaohs, but it is always depicted as having been done by the gods. This indicates that it may have been understood as a spiritual event that likely never happened in reality (cf. Alan Gardiner, “The Baptism of Pharaoh,” The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, vol. 36). This happened only to kings (if it happened to them at all), and one searches in vain to find depictions of Horus being ritually washed by Anubis.

Like Jesus, Horus was tempted while alone in the desert.
The companion guide to the film Zeitgeist outlines the basis for this claim by explaining, “As does Satan with Jesus, Set (aka Seth) attempts to kill Horus. Set is the ‘god of the desert’ who battles Horus, while Jesus is tempted in the desert by Satan” (p. 23).

Doing battle with the “god of the desert” is not the same as being tempted while alone in the desert; and according to the Gospel accounts, Satan did not attempt to kill Jesus there (cf. Matt. 4, Mark 1:12-13, Luke 4:1-13).

The relationship between Horus and Seth in the ancient Egyptian religion was quite different than the relationship between Jesus and Satan. While Seth and Horus were often at odds with each other, it was believed that their reconciliation was what allowed the pharaohs to rule over a unified country. It was believed that the pharaoh was a “Horus reconciled to Seth, or a gentleman in whom the spirit of disorder had been integrated” (The Oxford Guide to Egyptian Mythology, “Seth”). In stark contrast, there is never any reconciliation between Jesus and Satan in Scripture.

Healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, and walked on water.
The Metternich Stella, a monument from the 4th century B.C., tells a story in which Horus is poisoned by Seth and brought back to life by the god Thoth at the request of his mother, Isis. The ancient Egyptians used the spell described on this monument to cure people. It was believed that the spirit of Horus would dwell within the sick, and they would be cured the same way he was. This spiritual indwelling is a far cry from the physical healing ministry of Christ. Horus did not travel the countryside laying his hands on sick people and restoring them to health.

He raised Asar from the dead. “Asar” translates to “Lazarus.”
The name Osirus is a Greek transliteration of the Egyptian name Asar. As I mentioned earlier, Osirus is the father of Horus, and, according to the myth, he was killed by Seth and briefly brought back to life by Isis in order to conceive Horus. It was not Horus who raised “Asar” from the dead. It was his mother.

The name Lazarus is actually derived from the Hebrew word Eleazar meaning “God has helped.” This name was common among the Jews of Jesus’ time. In fact, two figures in the New Testament bear this name (cf. John 11, Luke 16:19-31).

Oh, yeah, he also had twelve disciples.
Again, this claim finds its origin in the work of Gerald Massey (Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World, book 12), which points to a mural depicting “the twelve who reap the harvest.” But Horus does not appear in the mural.

In the various Horus myths, there are indications of the four “Sons of Horus,” or six semi-gods, who followed him, and at times there were various numbers of human followers, but they never add up to twelve. Only Massey arrives at this number, and he does so only by referencing the mural with no Horus on it.

Yes, Horus was crucified first.
In many of the books and on the websites that attempt to make this connection, it is often pointed out that there are several ancient depictions of Horus standing with his arms spread in cruciform. One can only answer this with a heartfelt “So what?” A depiction of a person standing with his arms spread is not unusual, nor is it evidence that the story of a crucified savior predates that of Jesus Christ.

We do have extensive evidence from extra-biblical sources that the Romans around the time of Christ practiced crucifixion as a form of capital punishment. Not only that, but we have in the Bible actual eyewitness accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion. On the other hand, there is no historical evidence at all to suggest that the ancient Egyptians made use of this type of punishment.

And after three days, two women announced Horus, the savior of humanity, had been resurrected.
As I explained before, the story of the child Horus dying and being brought back to life is described on the Metternich Stella, which in no way resembles the sacrificial death of Jesus. Christ did not die as a child, only to be brought back to life because his grieving mother went to the animal-headed god of magic.

The mythology surrounding Horus is closely tied with the pharaohs, because they were believed to be Horus in life and Osirus in death. With the succession of pharaohs over the centuries came new variations on the myth. Sometimes Horus was believed to be the god of the sky, and at other times he was believed to be the god of war, at other times both; but he was never described as a “savior of humanity.”


Combating the never-ending list of parallels

If you do an Internet search on this subject, you will come across lists of supposed parallels between Jesus and Horus that are much longer than Bill Maher’s filmic litany. What they all have in common is that they do not cite their sources.

Should you encounter people who try to challenge you with these claims, ask them to explain where it is they got their information. Many times you will find that they originate with Gerald Massey or one of his contemporaries. Sometimes they have been repeated and expanded on by others. But these claims have little or no connection to the facts.

You should challenge the person making the claim to produce a primary source or a statement from a scholarly secondary source that has a footnote that can be checked. Then make sure the sources being quoted come from scholars with a Ph.D. in a relevant field, such as a person who teaches Egyptology at the university level.

Due to the mass of misinformation on the Internet and in print on this subject, it is important to respond to these claims using credible sources. Fortunately, there are many good books on Egypt and Egyptology in print. But there are also bad ones, so make sure to verify the author’s credentials before purchasing them.

The study of ancient Egypt has come a long way since its beginning in the 1800s, and new discoveries are being made even today that improve upon our understanding of the subject. It’s safe to say they will do nothing to bolster the alleged Jesus-Horus connection.

The Horus mythology developed over a period of 5,000 years, and as a result it can be a complex subject to tackle. But you don’t have to be an Egyptologist to answer all of these claims. You just need to know where to look for the answers—and to be aware of the claims’ flawed sources.

http://www.strangenotions.com/horus-manure/

olasubomi007:
You sure say you dey read bible??

Paul no ever see Jesus face to Face na

Open your Bible to the book of Act 9:1-22

That encounter with Jesus Christ is the reason we have the books Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Colossians, Philippians, Philemon, and 1 Thessalonians.

So, if someone could write that much book in the New Testament do you think all his writings will only be based on "claims" if that is the case are you suggesting everything he wrote was a lie and if that is also the case then are you saying Christianity is a lie? Definitely NOT.

"It is safe to say that the Jesus portrayed in pictures in Churches worldwide and everywhere else is not the Jesus that Paul was with during his time on earth. And since there are no records of his physical encounter with Jesus, wouldn't Paul have had a better description than what has been portrayed as the image of Jesus for hundreds of years."

Paul said it's NOT ok to have long hair as a custom in those days as Christians but the church is presenting us with images of someone with long hair as Jesus Christ...isn't this something we should all think about?

wirinet:
See logical gymnastics. You claimed Paul must have known what Jesus looked like because he was a disciple. I pointed out that Paul was never a disciple of Jesus and would never have known what he looked like ( even the Roman and Jewish authorities did not know what he looked like). You then went on a logical expedition of ovestretching the meaning of disciple and calling anyone that believes or follows the teaching of another is a disciple. In that case all Christians are disciples of Jesus.

I can see you are clearly set out to bring up issues on this topic despite a simple reply to your previous comment...read my first paragraph and see the post is ONLY intended for "My brethren and Sisters" and from your comments it's obvious you are NOT a Christian and neither do you believe in the gospel of Christ...how can you understand when you are already having issues in the belief itself? So, i will reply you for the last time for the benefit of others (it's even more like repeating the same thing to the deaf).

AGAIN, To answer your question about who is qualified to be called a disciple, here's the link again incase you missed it: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disciple (You can use other dictionaries if you are not satisfied with this one) See what it means to be called a disciple (I DONT OWN THE DICTIONARY NEITHER WAS I THE ONE THAT PUT THE MEANING OF A DISCIPLE THERE) and if you still can't read or see the meaning then I can't help you read or understand. AND YES, ANY CHRISTIAN PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF Jesus Christ IS A DISCIPLE OF CHRIST.

So? It does not matter how many books letters Paul wrote, people write books all the time, in fact Chris oyakhilome has written more books than Paul. What mattered was the books the books that the catholic church decided to canonize in their various councils which was finalized in AD346. There were hundreds ( if not thousands) of books by numerous authors, the Catholic authorities only chose those that promoted their agenda and branded all others as heretical.

Its is evident you don't know what you are talking about, it's better you say nothing because every attempt to say something further exposes your ignorance...it is even laughable to now compare Chris Oyakhilome to Paul on who influenced Christianity...Did Chris Oyakhilome write any book in the New Testament?

You also mentioned that the "Catholic authorities only chose those that promoted their agenda and branded all others as heretical" How come this same Catholic authorities have numerous images of Jesus Christ with "Long Hair" in their Churches going against what one of the author Paul of "their selectively canonized book" of the Bible had warned about?

Does this even make any sense to you?

Paul's encounter was only a claim because it was written by him and there were no other collaborating witnesses to validate the claim.

Paul never had any physical encounter with Jesus, he only claimed he say a vision. In fact he claimed no one else on the journey saw the vision of Jesus.
There had been various claims of vision of jesus since his death by many people. Even today people ( including many Nigerians) claim to see visions of Jesus ( with encounters), why should Paul's vision be more valid?
Many people have even had visions and encounters with virgin Mary and saints.

The day you understand the importance of the New Testament(the birth, life, death and teachings of Jesus Christ) that's the day you will understand the writings of Paul and it's importance to Christianity. Chris Oyakhilome and the many others you mentioned grew up reading the writings of Paul on his account of Jesus...would you now believe them instead of Paul himself the author? would Paul have written so much books in the Bible if he never had any definite encounter and if he hadn't then are you saying his writings or the Bible is false? Is that what you are trying to get at?

You guys tend to turn logic upside down in order to jusfify your beliefs.

Speaking of the devil...good you finally come out of your shell, Your argument all the while was to discredit the good intentions of this post but sadly, YOU HAVE FAILED. It's obvious from all your comments you are NOT a Christian and thank God you have revealed yourself, WE CHRISTIANS KNOW THE DEVIL ALSO QUOTE THE BIBLE BUT HE DOES IT TO MISLEAD PEOPLE what has darkness got to do with light? I rebuke the demons speaking through you with the blood of Jesus Christ

I have made my points known and my fellow brethren and sisters in Christ understands my message, honoring you with further replies after you have revealed yourself won't be necessary.

wirinet:
Which version of the Bible are you reading? Paul was never a disciple of Jesus, intact Paul never claimed to have met Jesus while he was alive. He only claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus on his way to Damascus.

Point of correction, I said "Paul being a disciple of Jesus" and NOT "Paul being one of the 12 disciples of Jesus"

Who is a disciple?
Definition of disciple: one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another: as a : one of the twelve in the inner circle of Christ's followers according to the Gospel accounts b : a convinced adherent of a school or individual.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disciple

Although 13 of the books of the New Testament are traditionally ascribed to Paul, modern scholars think that he only wrote 8 of them. Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Colossians, Philippians, Philemon, and 1 Thessalonians.

Who amongst the "12 disciples" wrote more books in the New Testament and has been more influential in the teachings of Jesus Christ than Paul?

Ask yourself this question, would Paul have written that much of Jesus Christ if it were just "claims" of his encounter(just as you pointed out) and NOT actual encounter with Jesus Christ and become an influencer of christianity?

How is Paul less of a disciple? Someone that has a first hand encounter with Jesus Christ.

We tend to be quick to look for flaws even when we have the truth right in front of us,

God is NOT an author of confusion.

May God help us.

Jewelnutch:
I think you should not make reference to a random quote from the Bible, else you'd be on the contradictory. Jews were/are known in the Bible for not having any reason to use blades or any object to cut their scalp or facial hair. So, don't be an unusual eccentric self-acclaimed 21st century prophet.

The words highlighted above is not a "random quote" it is a definite instruction on what is obtainable or not from a man who was with Jesus Christ during his ministry, he has a first hand knowledge of what Jesus really looks like and not what the church portrays as Jesus...the fact that this has been going on for hundreds of years is sad enough.

Open your eyes and see the truth right in front of you.

Who's report would you believe, Paul's, your Priest's or your Pastor's?

Psalm 115:5-6
5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

Psalm 135:17
17 They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there any breath in their mouths.

Exodus 20:4
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Deuteronomy 5:8
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Leviticus 26:1
1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

On wether I am an unusual eccentric self-acclaimed 21st century prophet, my case is similar to that of the biblical Jonah, I did not call myself...as I matter of fact, I have been running all my life from God's work and it got to a point were i have nowhere to hide or run to anymore but to submit myself to God (doing God's work is a difficult task), this will be shared in my subsequent posts.

May God deliver his people.

Good day my brethren and sisters around the world, it is with great honor to present to you that which the spirit of God spoke to me and I am privileged to speak of it and many more revelations to them that have ears (or should I say those that are willing to listen)

I shall be talking to you about one of the great deceits the enemy has successfully sold to fellow Christians for ages and sadly this deceit is found and embraced right in the church. Infact, this deceit originated from the Church.

I promise to make this and subsequent posts be short and direct for i know that with various activities occupying our daily life we do not have much time to read (this is also part of the grand plan of the enemy to occupy us with activities that will take us far away from God) I have studied how the enemy works and I shall be revealing his tricks and plans.

I shall not be talking about the different pictures purportedly claiming to be the image(face) of Jesus Christ but I shall focus on just one physical feature that is so common amongst these pictures which is intended to make a mockery of Christ. I shall be talking about the "Long Hair" seen in all images allegedly to be the images of Jesus Christ.

In Paul's letter to the Corinthians, he made a very specific and straightforward reservation concerning a man keeping a long hair. He then went further to say it is NOT of the churches of God.

He said in 1 Corinthians 11:14-16 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

The big question is:

How did the church possible miss this?

How is it possible that Paul being a disciple of Jesus Christ not know if Jesus had a long hair and if indeed he had a long hair does it make any sense as to why Paul should be against it?

It is safe to say that the Jesus portrayed in pictures in Churches worldwide and everywhere else is not the Jesus that Paul was with during his time on earth. And since there are no records of his physical encounter with Jesus, wouldn't Paul have had a better description than what has been portrayed as the image of Jesus for hundreds of years.

Similarly, Rockstars are known for keeping long hair and it is also known that Rock Music is regarded as a devils music (Google it)

What has darkness got to do with light and why is the church embracing this mockery?

Sadly, this is another case of the devil transforming into an angel of light to deceive the world and he has done it perfectly well for hundreds of years. He his desperate to continue for he knows his time is up.

Think about this for a moment and let it sink...I shall be revealing other deceits and lies, so help me God.

Peace be unto you.