Guys think girls are living an interesting lives. But whether you realize this or not, trust me on this one: Most girls live pretty boring lives; couple with fact that there are lots of boring and predictable guys trying to get into their pants.

These girls lifestyle is so boring that the majority of them try to create drama just to feel significant. When there's no drama to create, they'll go watch reality TV shows, tiktok or something in order to feel some excitement.

If nothing else, just being a little bit different from other guys in your interactions, will suddenly make you look interesting.

Some guys get all wimpy and weak when they talk to a new attractive woman, and literally forgetting they are talking to another human like them. The exact same humans that they have spoke to all their lives.

Adasun:
What will make girls likely to tell you I have a boyfriend, not necessarily directly but somehow they Interject into the play...


I experienced it twice from two different girls today, going home, it hit me and I was like what was that?

First girl;

Say something naughty in a chat with her
while saying she's ganna pay before I did that nauthy stuff and she said, "I weak self, make my boyfriend no just read this chat"

Of course I replied back with, "when he does find out,send him my location"



Second one, I was rough handling her because she playfully threw a piece of paper my way ...to get my attention I guess, I held her hand and she was acting ajebo like, that I am hurting her, if my boyfriend catch you...I laugh and squeeze her more and end the play...I flirt alot with this girls and touch them and they don't object.


I have ego too, may see them and act as if they mean nothing self...

The first gal have to come out and meet me when I hail some home boys and left to a quiet place, she was like, watin dey worry u self... although I actually didn't see her...


I want to understand why this trying to Interject "I have a boyfriend talk"

Both have tested me with marriage talk and I always gear towards no marriage for now



Rizzputing

Pukkalolo

I wanna hear you two out

This is an interesting question... And I hope guys learn from this.

Let's begin...

Most times, if I meet a girl and she seriously let me know she has a husband, fiance or serious boyfriend, I generally often tend to end my conversations with her immediately and move on. This is because I hate going after another man's woman. Some guys enjoy fucking other men's wife or girlfriend, but that's bullshit. I don't do that.


Anyways... Beyond that,


One might say: the "I have a boyfriend" line is just a shit test. Or she's just pretending.

Well...

Here's something I've noticed over the years:

In many occasions when a girl has real interest in me, she rarely tells me she has a boyfriend. Infact, there many times a girl would have a boyfriend but she would hide that information from me because she scared of losing me.

I sometimes label the "I Have A Boyfriend," line as a sign that she doesn't really fancy me...

So she's not worth the pursuit; because If she's interested enough, she won't even bring up the boyfriend talk...

Okay wait...But what if she's interested but she just shit testing me?

So what should I do? Pass her shit test?

Hell fucking No!

In and of itself, trying to pass a woman's shit test is an act of submission. God test Abraham. Teacher test student. Employer test job candidate.

The person giving out the test holds more authority than the person trying to pass the test.

So by trying to pass a woman shit test, you are automatically affirming that she has more authority than you. To demonstrate that you are in charge, you shouldn't be trying to pass a woman's shit test.... Instead you should be punishing her shit test.

Ok, let's play:

Jake the pua/game junkie meets Sarah the entitled bitch.

Sarah makes some saucy entitled statement... Jake thinks, "Wow! that's a shit test, I gotta pass it so I can get laid."

Sarah see that he's trying to vibe with her despite her sauciness. He's rewarding her for being a saucy brat. This energized her more, so she keeps throwing out more shit test, and Jake keeps making a fool out of himself just because he needs pussy.

But at the end of the day, Jake still didn't get the pussy. Jake got mad.

Let's meet Tony, he has low tolerance for bullshit and silly mind games.. Tony meet Sarah the saucy entitled bitch.

Sarah makes some saucy entitled statement.... Tony thinks, "That's bullshit ! I gotta purnish her so this doesn't repeat itself again."

Sarah sees that Tony doesn't seemed really impressed with her bullshit. He seemed to be withdrawing his attention. Tony doesn't give a flying Bleep about her overrated pussy.

Sarah thinks, "Wow, this dude is totally different from this other pussy focused losers(Jake) in my DM."

So she's forced to adjust and act right.... Days later, Tony bleeped Sarah. While Jake is still busy somewhere trying to come up with a better technique to pass her shit test.


Look, Adasun. The reason while these ladies keep playfully interjecting the boyfriend talk is because you've not yet demonstrate to them that you are a no-nonsense guy that highly value his time....

By punishing her shit test, you are demonstrating to her that you are a No-nonsense guy that highly value his time.

I have couple of personal real life examples on this issue with women...

I could remember this one time I was chatting with this lady. Along the line she said she's experiencing a minor pain somewhere on her back or joint because she lifted a heavy box or something like that... So I told her, later I'm gonna give her sexy massage to ease her off the pain....

Adasun, Just like your experience, she immediately interjected the boyfriend talk, she said, "Ah massage me? let my boyfriends not catch you ."

Immediately, I knew I must purnish her for that statement so it doesn't repeat itself again.

My response was, "hmmm... So you are one of those girls"

Then I totally started ignoring the rest of her chat...

She drop the message... "One of those girls as how" I read but ignored her message.

She drop another message.. "Hey... Can't you talk." I ignored it again.

She dropped the third message: "Haba! Are you angry because of what I said... so one can't joke with you again."

From the third message she sent, I can tell she was only just fronting with the initial boyfriend line.. and the way I respond after the boyfriend line quickly made her sit up and started behaving right towards me...

After that little dramatic saga between us, she started behaving right... Our interaction sail smoothly towards a sexual one...

She could sees that I've got low tolerance for bullshit: my worth and value immediately increase in her eyes...



In summary, As a Man, it's important you demonstrate to the woman that you highly value your time and you got low tolerance for her bullshit.

Stay blessed.

Perfectskills01:


Pukkalolo . I understand you are trying to help men with dating issues . But you haven't said anything different from what dating coaches on this public site have said in the past .
What I mean is that , you are trying too hard to sound different.

And again. Focusing on the pussy or not, all leads to getting laid. Not focusing on it makes no difference. Strategies differ . It all depends on the one that works good for individual.

Not focusing on pussy is classified under the indirect game .
Focusing on it , is classified under the direct game .

Both direct game ( being upfront with your sexual intentions) and indirect game ( hiding your sexual intentions) , both work effectively, depending on the individual and context.

First off, my concept of Not being pussy focused has nothing to do with direct/indirect game crap. It's more of mindset.

Perfectskills01, Let me ask you:

Have you ever encounter this with a girl:

You're alone with her for the first time and you are trying to get sexual with her, but she's resisting your touch and pushing you away....

Many guys have write me about experiencing that with women...

But let me brutally honest with you: I hardly experience this(since I got experience with women). When I'm alone with a girl for the first time, the physical escalation often go smoothly towards sex. Infact sometimes I'm the one telling the females, "take it slow baby girl, why are you so in a rush to get this dick."

This is because the girls feel very comfortable about the idea of going sexual with me.

What's my secret?

This relate to the Idea of not being pussy focused...


Okay, let's begin proper.

Let's meet John...

John ask a girl to be his girlfriend, but after he ask her out, she started giving him attitude and misbehaving...

So John comes to the redpill/pua guys. They tell John that the mistake he made was that he asked her out. They tell him, "never ask a girl out; never try to go into relationship first... Instead first Bleep her...once you Bleep her, you'll hold the power, then she will now be the person chasing you."

So John start going about trying to Bleep first, in order to hold the power.

But unfortunately what John didn't realize is that by trying to Bleep her first, he's also giving her the power, regardless.

This is the reason why the typical young girl feels so saucy and entitled nowadays...

Why?

Because every guy she meet seem to be so concern about get her pussy, as if there's some gold or treasure in there....

Now, John initially failed with women because he's putting relationship first before sex... So John decided to put sex first before relationship, but despite that John is still failing with women.

That's because putting the pussy first is not really also the solution...

So what's the solution?

Good question!


The typical woman have different mental barriers that prevents her from going sexual with you. Those mental barriers in her head are what makes her feel cheap/guilty/ashamed/unexcited about going sexual with you.

If a girl isn't allowing you go sexual with her, then it's because you have not break down those mental barriers in her head.

Have you heard of the idiom: "putting the Cart before the horse." This means putting the wrong thing first.

The horse is what move the cart, so If you want the cart to move, then put the horse first (forward).

With women, the cart is getting the pussy, while the horse is breaking down her mental barriers.


When you're focused on the pussy you are putting the cart before the horse. This Is why guys always end up somehow losing the girl they have a chance with.

But your game with women will change when you put less important on getting the pussy, because you understand that once you break down those mental barrier in her head, the pussy naturally take care of itself.

When you break down those mental barrier, she'll feels excited/comfortable about getting sexual with you.

I hope you get the idea...

If you want learn more on this idea, feel free to check out my stuff...

Karlifate:
Dear [young] men,

Everything in this world is achievable.

It's not a question of whether it's possible or not.

It's a question of whether you're ready to do what's required.

"It's impossible" are the words of lazy cowards.

Be like Nike & just do it!

You are on point,

but...

Many “gurus” claim that you can achieve anything in life, but this is sometimes not true.

Dr Duke an American successful business woman who was profiled in Entrepreneur Magazine said: “In order to succeed, you are going to have to stick to hard things. But also, to succeed, you’re going to have to quit the things that aren’t worth pursuing.”


The truth is, Not everything in this world is achievable. Or better say, Not everything is worth pursuing.

This is not a matter of “limiting beliefs”. The Idea is to look at life from a realistic stand point, brutally look at your odds, and focus on the things you are most likely to succeed in.


Using women for example, the best way to improve your odds with women isn't to try to pursue any girl, but instead to go for the girls you are most likely to get to get with...

For example if you pursue a girl who's married, or happily engaged or obsessed with another guy, you most likely to fail in getting in her. It's not because you lack game. It's just that the odds are stacked against you.

Same in career and business in general , to improve your odds,

#1. realistically looking at where the world is going to.

For example, if you pursue a career in newspaper production, then you are more likely to fail in the long run, NOT because you are not hard working or determined enough, It's because Printed newspapers are less appealing because with the rise of the internet, digital platform and social media, people now have instant access to news from various sources at their fingertips.


#2. Identifying your strength and weakness...

For example, if you are short by nature as a man, then you more likely to fail if you try to pursue a career in basketball. It doesn't matter how much “hard work” and determination you puts in. It's just common sense.

Life is not fair, but God being a kind and compassionate being install different talent, strength or potential in each every creature on earth in order ensure the survival.

For example, The Cheeter speed allows it hunt its prey quickly... The eagle eyes allows it to see it's prey from a very far distance...and so on.

Just like the idea is to identify a girl who's somehow ALREADY ATTRACTED to you and go for her....

The idea is to identify the strength and potentials that you ALREADY HAVE and work hard on that.

For example, if you're pretty above average in mathematics and you pursue a career in programming, then you are more likely to succeed if you put in the effort. Or if you are naturally creatively funny and good in making people laugh, then a career in stand up comedy might favour you. Or if you have a thing for animals and you go into poultry business, then you are more likely to go ahead.

The take away from this is: working hard is a good thing, as long as it’s on the right thing....

realone12:
okay let's assume this is really the case, that women attraction is predetermined.. how will you now explain a scenario where woman who initially don't show interest in you in the first couple of weeks and then later fall madly in love with you after some weeks?

That's a really interesting question....


It's because in those first couple of weeks she was either PRETENDING or she was
just UNAVAILABLE


Let's start with UNAVAILABLE.

In those first initial couple of weeks when she's not showing interest in the guy,

The typical guy with low self-esteem might say, it's because the dude is not handsome enough or he didn't shower her with enough cash...

The typical pua/game junkie might say, it's because he did or say something that mess things up or he didn't game or seduce her enough.


But they are both incorrect....

In reality, she might be UNAVAILABLE in those first couple of weeks.... What I mean by unavailable is that there's an external "barrier" preventing her from showing her attraction/interest for you.

Some Examples of those external barriers might be,

#1. She has an amazing boyfriend she was dating,
or #2. She has a guy she was already fucking and already satisfying her,
or #3. She was preparing for serious exam/interview that will change the course of her life and she doesn't want distraction,
or #4, She was obsessed with some other guy or ex-boyfriend,
or #5. She was just busy with something important going on in her life at that period,
or #6. Any other fucking reason.

If a girl is attracted to you but unavailable due to any of those external barriers I just listed or any other reasons, then you might find it difficult to move things forward with her even if you apply all the seduction and game in the world.... Those external barriers are out of your control...

But the moment the external barrier disappear, she will suddenly start showing you interest. For example, if her boyfriend cheat or start misbehaving on her, she will feel romantically lonely and want to connect with someone new. So, she'll check the list of her current toasters for the guy she's more attracted to, then she start showing interest in him.


In some occasions, a woman will be interested/attracted in you but will still reject you due to any of those external barriers. Some ladies have rejected me because they were UNAVAILABLE at that time, but few weeks later surprisingly they reconnect with me again because they were intrigued by my ultra confident and I-don't-give-Bleep behavior.

No girl will be inspired to reconnect with you if you interact with her in a needy-pussy focused manner unless she wants to exploit you.


So, she was already interested/attracted to you initially, but didn't show it because she might actually be unavailable at that period due to maybe any of one of those examples of external barrierr.

Yes, this is true with women, But if that's not the case with her, then she was just "pretending" those initial first couple of weeks.

That's leads to the next one: PRETENDING.

One thing you should understand about women is that they are natural expert pretenders. They do it in two ways,

#1. She pretend to be interested, but she's actually uninterested in you, This is the manipulators who just wants your attention but doesn't want you.

#2. She pretend she's uninterested but she's really attracted to you. This is one is just playing hard to get.

Let's first talk about the manipulators who just wants your attention but doesn't actually have interest in you:

Some while back, I used have this sexy ass girl I was messing around with. But I noticed she has many male (platonic) friends but she was very unattracted/uninterested in most of them. Just like the JASON character I talk about in that previous post, these guys are hovering around her, hoping that one day they will Bleep/date her.

Infact, some of these guys were already attached and obsessed with her. To be honest, I felt sympathy for these guys, so I told her to stop giving these guys false hope, and I told her to just honestly tell them to stop wasting their time on her that you have no interest in them.

I may be paraphrasing her words, but her response was,

"Never. If I do that, they will stop giving me attention and they'll stop giving me money."

I told her, "well, that's highly manipulative of you."

she said, "No, I'm just being smart."

It's funny, anytime I accuse girls of manipulating and misleading men. They often disagree with me. They'll say they are just being smart or friendly... worse some will say they are just networking or being social with men.

When you are pussy focused, you become easy targets for manipulation by women because you are treating the woman's sexual/romantic companionship like it's some trophy to be won. So women take advantage of that to toy with you.

Ok, moving on..

Let's talk about when, She pretend she's uninterested but she's really attracted to you.


Realistically though, the typical girl feel that if she quickly straightforwardly admit her attraction/interest for you, you will think she's cheap and consequently you might not value her again. This why she do what naija people call "shakara"... She does that because she don't want to appear easy or cheap. She's trying to protect her self-image.


Since, women are expert pretenders, then logically you shouldn't be trying seduce a pretender. Instead, the strategy is to EXPOSE a pretender And/OR make her feel sexually comfortable with you so she can safely show her attraction for you without feeling cheap. Accomplishing that is quite simple...but I won't go into that here because I've already talked about it in great length in my book....

But in general, when dealing with a manipulator or pretender(which is most girls by the way), you wanna make sure you avoid nice guy behavior, at least, initially. You should only start being nice and romantic to her AFTER she has shown you that she's sexually into you.

This is because if you start being all nice, sweet and romantic towards a "pretender" from the very beginning, then she might totally hide her sexual attraction for you and start trying to exploit you instead.

So in summary....

In a scenario where woman who initially don't show interest in you in the first couple of weeks and then later show high interest after some weeks...

Then it's either because She was already attracted to you from the beginning, but

#1. She was not really AVAILABLE those first couple of weeks for any reason (for example because she might have a great dude who was satisfying sexually...that guy might be pukka).

Or

#2. She was just pretending those first couple of weeks because she doesn't want to appear cheap or easy.


Anyways, I hope you get the point.

Fiscus105:


The information you freely released here is not meant for people here, your information is meant for people who have brains and know how to you use brains rationally.

Meanwhile, the character of JASON is the character that many possessed, they struggled fruitlessly on ladies not interested in them, afterwards, they gather together to shout lamentations indoctrination.

You are totally on point.

The funny thing is, Women are also like this.

Most of the guys that the typical girl usually call jerks, assholes, scums are just guys that are not really interested in her or they don't really fancy her. And for that exact reason this girl go for these guys... She love the challenge.

The typical Young lady is good at ignoring the cool guys that actually like her, and instead going for the guys that don't really fancy her. Then when these guys use and dump her, she scream, "men are scum"...

Like you stated, many guys are also like this:

Many of these girls that give the typical guy tough time and exploit him are not really that interested in him. And it's for that exact reason this guy go for these girls. He loves the challenge.

Then when these uninterested/unavailable/manipulative girl use and dump him, he scream, "naija girls are useless"...

Nah, bro... there's nothing wrong with these girls YOU are the problem. You don't genuinely VALUE and RESPECT yourself, so you go for uninterested/unavailable girls hoping to seduce her and win her over. Of course, you get your heart broken and then you later lament that girls are evil/useless.

Josefvision:
I have female frnds who claims she has a boy but keep giving me sex when ever she visits my place..from wat she told me is like d guy is a simp

Sometimes guys in this redpill space tend the assume that getting pussy from a girl means you are the alpha, and getting cheated on by a girl means you are the simp. But that's not true.


Look, that girl giving you pussy despite the fact she has a boyfriend doesn't necessarily mean her boyfriend is a simp: it might simply means she's a LovePeddler or a bitch.... The truth is, Girls also cheat on alpha guys. A cheat is a cheat. A bitch is a bitch. It doesn't necessarily matter if you're a simp or alpha.

Again, you getting the pussy isn't necessarily because you are the alpha or you have good game or you are the best seducer in the town.

It simply because she's currently available and interested in you, and for whatever reason she felt comfortable giving you the pussy. Which might possibly have nothing to do with being alpha or being redpill or being a smooth seducer or whatever.

Please Josefvision, don't get me wrong. You're doing well, so I'm not trying to attack you. I just want you to see interaction with women from a different and more realistic angle. This will definitely help other guys here as well.


So let's begin..

Many guys here might not know this truth I'm about to say because it takes having real experience to know this.

Here it is:

A woman attraction for you is predetermined
...meaning, even before she meets you, she's already attracted to certain traits about you.

This is because, psychologically, women have different taste for men...so once she sees you or at least once she starts interacting with you (within seconds or latest minutes), she has quickly "subconsciously" decides if she fansy you.

Look, Women already know if they will Bleep you or not. Forget all their false front.. This is the bitter truth about women only the real OG understand. Woman also know this, but they won't tell you.

If she doesn't fancy you, she'll only just waste your time and exploit you if you "allow" her to. But if she fancy you and she somewhat feels comfortable with you, she will give you the pussy and you would think you're some smooth seducer or alpha...


If you truly believe that a woman's interest for a man is predetermined, then your whole game strategy will change FROM trying to make her like you and giving the pussy TO giving her the opportunity to either follow your lead or get lost out of your presence.

I love being realistic, so let's take it to the real world.

Let's play with an hypothetical scenerio:

I'm gonna use brothers we are familiar with here, so it can connect even better.

Let's say, CaveAdullam is hosting a party... He invite ladies and cool fellas, some of the fellas include KingEarnest, Lordfranklin... there's also this random dude, let's just call him JASON.

Now, Cave has this beautiful cousin who was also present there. Let's call her Anita. JASON, KingEarnest, Lordfranklin individually told Cave that they are interested in his cousin. So CaveAdllam enthusiastically encourage them to go for it.

Let the game began.

Now, note: JASON, Lordfranklin and KingEarnest are all redpillers, and None of them are Simps.

But the difference is their core believe about interaction with women.

Let's assume Lordfranklin and KingEarnest believes that a woman's interest for a man is most times predetermined, So she's either interested or NOT. So their first goal is to figure out if Anita is somewhat interested and worth the pursuit. Their believe is, She either follow my lead or get lost.

But JASON on the other hand believe that her interest level doesn't matter. He believes he can get Anita if he can seduce her enough and excute the game perfectly, and so his goal is to make her like him and get her to give him the pussy.

Now, we know a woman's attraction for a man is actually predetermined... She's already interested or not. So among these three guys, Anita has already "choose" the guy she fancy. But of course she gonna just act like she doesn't give shit about them. You know women and their "attitude" look.

So, while Anita is just chilling at the house party vibing to music playing, Lordfranklin confidently initiate a conversation with her. Let's assume Anita isn't interested in him. But since Lordfranklin first goal is to find out if there's any interest---in couple of minutes of interacting with her he was able to figure that out. From her negative vibe and wishywashy response, he could see that the girl is more likely to waste his fucking time and energy if he continues going after her. Lordfranklin highly value his time, so in his mind he tells her to get lost, then he stand up and move on to talk to some other cool chic in party who is more likely to follow his lead...

Now, when JASON saw that Anita was alone, he smoothly initiate conversations with her. Anita sincerely doesn't really fancy him: she's just not interested. But JASON was oblivious to that because he thinks he can get Anita if he apply some seduction/game moves. So he focused on getting her to like him and give him the pussy.

Now, since Anita enjoys the attention JASON was giving her, she just play along and gave him the impression that if he tries harder enough he might one day Bleep her. Anita, just like most girls out there is good at misleading men they have no interest in, deceiving them and giving them the impression that they might get the pussy if they try harder.


Next, KingEarnest went into action. He initiated conversation with her. The moment Anita met KingEarnest, she's already somewhat fancy him because he has certain traits she "subconsciously" admire. And since his first goal is to find out if there's any interest---he quickly gave her the opportunity to either follow his lead or get lost. In couple of minutes of interacting with her he was able to find out he has a chance with her. He exchange digits with her. And before he left her present, he playfully told her, "I have to go now, but try not to think about me too much."

She blushed.

All KingEarnest had to do was just to make her feel a bit more sexually comfortable and safe with him, and few days or weeks later she is dropping her panties for him...

Weeks and months later, JASON is still "working on" Anita. "I guess I'm doing something wrong," he tell himself.

So he ask some pua/game junkie. They gave him some more game/seduction technique to apply her on her in order to get her to drop her panties... They told him, if you apply this seduction tactics, soon she will be screaming "Bleep me harder" loud while you bang her for behind.

But unfortunately, the only loud "Bleep me harder" JASON end up hearing was from the pornhub video he was watching on his computer.

He wonder what he was doing wrong. He felt emotionally shattered. He holla CaveAdullam, "bro, what's up with your cousin, what's really her issue"

But here's the real issue Jason didn't realize: Anita was never interested from the beginning. But his pussy focused mentality prevented him from realizing that.

Jason look Anita up on Facebook to see what she's up to. To his surprise he saw her picturing with KingEarnest: she was holding him in a romantic way.

Jason thought to himself, "wait, isn't this the guy I saw at CaveAdullam's party. So this is the asshole Anita chose over me."

Now,

Some Fellas might think KingEarnest got the girl because he has better game, but not really. Infact Lordfranklin also has solid game. But KingEarnest got Anita because she was available and ALREADY INTERESTED in him from the beginning. All he did was just to make her feel more comfortable.

Although Lordfranklin didn't get Anita, but he wasn't emotionally affected or heartbroken by that because he didn't invested his much time, effort and money wooing her. Right from the first conversation, he was able to quickly figure out that this girl wasn't really into what he was offering. So he had moved on quickly to avoid getting attached to the wrong girl.

But JASON was attached, bitter, angry and heartbroken because he had invested his time and effort and self-respect trying to seduce/pursue a girl(Anita) that was never interested in him.

In summary, The one reason most guys aren't getting girls is because they are ignoring the vast majority of girls that ALREADY LIKE THEM and going after the girls that are either currently unavailable or uninterested.



I hope this was helpful. Stay blessed.

SOZINN:
This is your reminder that the only response worth your precious time is "yes." Anything else, such as "not yet" or "I don't know, for now" is equivalent to "no." If her attraction to you isn't strong enough to spark her interest in pursuing a relationship with you right away, it's not worth your time and effort to try to change her mind or wait for a decision. Instead, it's better to move on and find someone who is more receptive to your advances.

I say "Amen" to this.

funkemary:
Kudos to the write-up BUT guys of today doesn't care about most of these red flags as long as you have yansh every other thing is secondary

Don't get me wrong okay, I did not say this to justify what is bad. I'm just stating the fact.

I get you. But most of these men you describe who ignore these red flag are only looking for sex... but when they want to truly settle down, they pay more attention to these red flags

Tallesty1:
Werey

Big back don cancel No1 one for me. 2 can be overlooked too if she's a handfull upfront, after all her dad and ex could dick heads for real. 4 no be issue, to say no no dey hard me because I no kuku get. As for 3, one person no fit get all of them, she can't be that unfortunate.

You are funny sha

ElliotP:


But nor be every flaw them dey tolerate, I know some men who treat their families like trash, how do you expect the kids to have good relationships with their father in that situation.

Please explain what you mean by trash

KingEarnest:
Valid points boss.

I've been waiting for your post. Thanks for this.

#Respect

idahme:


How do you know he is a dick head? Are women not vagina head too? How many times will a lady denigrate her mother because she is doing bad? If you think what comes out of a woman about her dad is true make your own side of the story and see the results. This most of the times doesn't end well

I have been in this scenario before, the day I started hearing bullshit about her dad from her mouth even when her dad contributes to her living expenses while she expects zero responsibilities from her mother even when both of them are divorced. I have her the benefit of the doubt until she actually made a statement like "my mum's mouth is sharper than a knife that is where I got my talking and anger issues from maybe that's may even be the reason why they divorced". If that's the reason why then show contempt when relating with your father while loving the mum , meanwhile the father even left the only house he built to go and rent a house as a tenant in order for the child and mum to have accommodation is the person you talk about so badly. He is within his rights to send her parking from his home because there was no minor she is taking care of but he didn't because of what his actions portray to his kids.

Never you hear anything from a woman about a man and believe without investing such information else you make a big blunder.

You said it perfectly.

We often expect perfection from fathers.


We tends to ignore the flaws of mothers but highlight the flaws of fathers.

Aside that...

Many women are expert in playing the victim and emotionally manipulating men into taking their sides. I rarely ever believe any complain a woman has about a man unless I hear the men side of the story.

Rexymania:
Number 1 is not necessary. If the pman na dick head nko?

You're right... Every father has some kind of flaw. Nobody is perfect.

But If she can't condone and tolerate her father's flaws, you think she'll tolerate yours?

Red Flag #1: She Doesn't/Didn't Have a Good Relationship with Her Father


Girls that are close with their father (Daddy's Girl) usually have healthy committed relationships with the guys they choose to be with. These categories of girls have positive view of the male gender, and will tend to be submissive to their partners BECAUSE they learnt that from being close and submissive to their father.

When I meet girl I want to be serious with, one of the first things I try to find out is if she has a good relationship with her father... If she's doesn't, then no further interaction, I most times dump her on the spot and move on.... I'm trying to dodge a long-term bullet.

If you go into a committed relationship with a girl that hate her father or often complain bitterly about him or in general has a bad relationship with him, the issues will eventually surface and the issues will be transfer onto you because you are also a man like her father.


Red Flag #2: She Often Talks Negatively About Ex-Boyfriends

I have talked about this before. She might tell you that her most recent guy did treated her poorly, or he was a lying asshole or he had a small dick or had a bad attitude or he was irresponsible or he was a two minutes man or he was stingy...or he was whatever. As long as it didn't work out with him, she's going to look for a way to paint him black.

As a guy, you might feel good when she talks negatively about her past partner(s). But don't feel too good because the smoke will eventually come to you. If your relationship doesn't work out with her, i.e the moment you are done with her, she will tell her next guy the same negative things about you.

She needs to paint her ex's in the most negative way possible so she can look like the victim and justify her constant whoring around and jumping from one man to another



Red Flag #3: She highly in support of toxic Feminism idealogy


Women like these don't generally make good partners for a stable committed relationship. These kinds of women have psychological issues, are damaged emotionally, and have huge victim complex: they see men as a danger to them.

She will make your life a living hell if decide to wife her.

I don't have to explain why Dominant Masculine Men often don't have good chemistry with feminist/ antagonistic women in the long term.


Red Flag #4: She believe You Should Pay For Her (All The Time) OR she started billing you as soon the relationship begins.

This kind of wowan will wreck you. RUN from her.

Women who are looking to take advantage of you financially will often get frustrated when you refuse to treat them with financial favors, gifts, expensive date and anything that has to deal with bringing out money from your pocket. She might criticize you and try to shame you in to spending for her, don't fall for that.

A woman that cares about you tends to also put in some financial effort, even if she doesn't have much.


Anyways, that's it.
If you meet a cool woman that doesn't have any of these red flags, wife her immediately.

Ataching your self-worth to getting positive response from women is like building a
house on very shaky foundations: it only takes one girl to say "no" to have you doubting yourself entirely.

eclatante:
Good morning kings.

I'm met a new girl. We started talking, she didn't give me the stress typically of Nigerian girls. She responds to text and calls well and also calls to check me up.

Normally, I would have gone for the normal route and get sex and we'll all be cool. But my guy advised I don't do that, that I should make her my woman.

All my life, I've been single. I've never been in a real relationship, so I had took this decision to make things different with her.

She feels me, just like I feel her. But after I started the relationship idea, her response and vibes is that she doesn't wants to hurt me.

Because I'm going to fall so hard for her, and I'll get my heart broken. Personally, I'm this kind of guy that doesn't really give AF about getting my heart broken. The possibility of a woman breaking my heart is almost zero.

We've shared a kiss, I've caressed her, but no sex yet. All I wanted was a woman of my own.. because it isn't normal for a guy of 23, not to have tried a relationship for once.

Highlights: 1. it's almost impossible to get my heart broken.

2. I want her to be my girl (I'm tired of playing a hard guy bullcrap)

3. I wanna smash this babe. Haven't had sex in months. (It almost happened, but she stopped half way, telling me I'm rushing things.

4. After sex, the probability that I'll still have the urge to be in a relationship with her, is almost zero too.

5. I bleeped up bringing the relationship crap. (My friend adviced me to get a woman and stick with her) Which I actually wanted but things isn't going as planned.

6. I've decided not to call and text her for the next 3 days.

7. Please how do I fix this? It's 3 weeks since we started talking and no sex yet.

Ok, eclatante, Right now you are already operating from a weak mentality... In other words, you are already putting her sexual companionship on pedestal, and even worse you are also putting being in relationship with her on pedestal.

To change your game, we have to first change that poor mentality...

Let's begin...

Some years back, after coding all day indoors, I always go out every evening to chill at this guy's boutique closer to my crib. Most of what he sold was female stuff: wrist watch, glass, sun shade and female wears in general. And most of his customers were females. So I used that as an opportunity to socialize and hit on the beautiful girls that walk in there to shop.

This guy who owns the boutique wasn't always around, but he had this sales guy working for him.

Pay attention because this is where things get interesting....

I noticed something impressive watching the sales guy sell to the females that walked in . Since he has been doing this for a while now, he was so good at knowing what wears fits the customer better.

Using glasses and sun shades for example. He could quickly analyze a customer’s shape of face and present the correct glass that fits the female perfectly. I found it impressive because he was so accurate: he could immediately select the right eyeglass frames without taking the customer through the long boring process of testing and testing different eyeglass frame in order to get a perfect one.

That seem very impressive to me, but then I noticed something surprising and almost weird:

Most of the customers didn't seemed to be impressed with that. Many of these female customers would kinda lose interest and give silly excuse to leave the boutique...And he was losing good amount of sales as result of that.

At first, this sorta confused the shit out of me.

Soon this boutique owner requested I assist in attending to the customer anytime I came around... That was when I got a clue on what this sales guy was doing wrong...

When a customer came to buy stuff, since he could quickly analyze a customer’s shape of face and present the correct glass that fits the female perfectly, he seemed to rushed the whole process to make the sales. So the female assume he's only just concerned about making the sales and not so concerned about her general satisfaction with the product...

As a result, the level of trust on the part of customer decreased; they give him excuses to leave the boutique, saying they'll come back, but they never came back.


But I did something different...

Although, I didn't have any sales experience at that time, but I had seduction/dating experience. So I apply my seduction/dating experience in to the sales.

When a customer came to buy glass or sun shade for example, I often genuinely took my time to study her facial features to "figure out" or "find out" what types of shade and glass frames would fit her better and looked good on her. We would select different several sun shade and glass frames and try them on. I was genuinely concerned about helping them makes the best choice.

After the whole process , the vast majority of the time, I closed the deal. The female happily walk out of the of the boutique with her product. (I even lowkey hooked up with some of the ladies.)

My sales trilled the guy that owns the boutique, he started giving me little commission for every sales I made.

While I was building trust, making sales and even banging (some of) the females... The other sales guy was destroying trust, losing sales and losing relationship. The crazy thing was that he was still proud; he could not drop his ego and seek me for my ideas.

Ok, eclatante, for this same reason, you are about to lose both the pussy and the relationship with this girl. But unlike the sales guy, you are not proud: you're willing to seek for advice... I admire that.

You said,

"She feels me, just like I feel her. But after I started the relationship idea, her response and vibes is that she doesn't wants to hurt me... I bleeped up bringing the relationship crap. (My friend adviced me to get a woman and stick with her) Which I actually wanted but things isn't going as planned."


Guys think, being "pussy focused" is all about having the goal of just fucking her. But NO, I don't mean only that. If you're interacting with her with the aim of getting into relationship with her, you are still being pussy focused.

As long as you are concentrated on "trying to get the girl", you are being pussy focused.

Hold up!

Right now I believe you are confused... you might be thinking, "wait, I don't understand, is that not the purpose of interacting with her: to get her?"

Yes, you are right. That's the purpose, but that purpose is the very thing that's about to hinder you from actually fucking or dating this girl...

Because from what you narrated, that girl is obviously interested, but you are about to lose her because you are focusing on the wrong things.

Ok, so what's the way forward...

Let's go back to the boutique again:

I won't deceive myself: I'm there to close the fucking sale and get the commission.

But the buyers are not dumb, they are aware of that, and they are psychologically ready to frustrate that attempt. So these females enter the boutique with doubt and distrust about the whole sales process because they assume I'm only concern about making the sales. They tend to be careful not to make any wrong buying decision they'll regret.

In order to counter that metal barrier the customers are already having about the sale I often immediately gave them the impression that helping them make the best possible choice is more important than closing the sales.

So I often took my time to genuinely study their facial features to "figure out" or "find out" if a glass frame looks good on her. Sometimes when a customer select a particular wear or glass frame that doesn't fit well to me, I tell her not to waste her money on that one that it doesn't looks sexy on her.

After taking her through the whole selection and fitting process, "trust was built." She felt comfortable and just literally close the deal for me even without me even pushing for it.

Same with women...

For the few guys here who have actually met me in person, you know I'm NOT much of a handsome guy: I already got this rough look about me. And the woman most times enter the interaction with me with doubt and distrust in her mind, because she assumed I'm only concern about getting something(sex or relationship), so she's psychologically ready to frustrate my attempt.

In order to counter that, and start building trust, I also enter the interaction unimpressed by her attractiveness and personality, and having doubt if she's a good fit for me romantically or she's just a time waster.

The goal of my interaction is to find out whether the girl has the interest level, personality, vibe and qualities (or whatever else that I'm looking for).

So I make bold/cocky/audacious statements and moves that help me "challenge her", "figure out" or "find out" if she fit in my requirement.

I bang beautiful girls, the reason I can do that is because "I'm not immediately concerned" or "in a rush" to get sex or relationship from them, but rather, I'm more immediately focused on challenging them, "finding out" and "figuring out" things about the girls...

It takes a little time to embrace this mentality, but once you do, you'll be surprised by how easy it is to get pussy.

Fiscus105:




See, lady that would flow with you will flow and the one that would ignore will ignore, it has nothing to do with any formulas.

You are right and wrong...


You're right because...

It's true: a lady that would flow with you will flow and the one that would ignore will ignore.

This is because there are lots of things out of your direct control when conversing with a woman. Focusing on trying to flow with the girl or trying to get her to respond positively to you is focusing on what is out of your control... That's pussy focused mindset. That's a poor mindset. That often makes you come across as needy and thirsty.

I have said that countless numbers of time, a girl is either interested/available or she's not. If she's not interested in the chat then the vast majority of time your conversations with her won't be flow... In that case you should withdraw your attention from her immediately.


Next,

Your wrong because...

Just like I said there are lots of things out of your direct control when conversing with a woman... For example, getting her to respond positively to you. That's out of your direct control. It's a waste of time and energy focusing on that.

But there are also things in your direct control... One obvious thing in your control is --- how you choose to construct your conversation with her.

Using in the idea in the previous post I made: being ORIGINAL, EXPRESSIVE AND ENGAGING is in direct your control.

It's your business to be original, expressive and engaging... But how she responds to that is non of your business, so don't worry about her response.

I had a situation where my buddy showed me his chat with a girl... The girl isn't flowing really well and giving him the vibe he wanted. So I told him that once she comes online, he should pass his phone to me let me chat with her myself because I want to confirm if she really had an attitude problem or he's the one making her act that way.

30 minutes later or so she came online, he passed the phone to me--- I started chatting with her. And of course the girl assumed he was the one chatting with her.

The first thing I texted her was, "I should have chat you up earlier, but then I remembered something about you that most guys won't even notice easily."

She was like, "Really, please tell me."

Our conversation dived into the river and flowed smoothly..

To this guy amazement, I started flowing and vibing with the girl smoothly, and before he even knew it I started sexualizing the chat with her.....

The girl seem amazed... because at some point in the chat, she said, "wow, there's something different about you today."

I was also amazed because the girl seemed to be really cool and playful unlike the way he described her initially.

The guy also seem amazed by how I easily vibe with her because this was the same girl he thought had an attitude problem.

Infact, everyone seem amazed.


This only goes to show that some girls are actually willing to engage and flow with you, but YOU are not giving them the opportunity to do so.

For example, if you start the conversation with "hi" or "hey girl" or "hey sweetheart you look beautiful"... then you are not really giving her the opportunity to flow with you because she's sees no reason to engage back.

But if you start the conversation with something like, "I should have chat you up earlier, but I was busy admiring something about you that most guys won't noticed easily."

Now, with that starter you have giving her the opportunity to engage with you, because now she's curious and intrigued by what you said.


Anyways, I hope you get the point

Smartb0y:


You were pussy focused.

The moment a girl is certain you just want her pussy, she'll begin playing games.

You must act as if her pussy is worthless.
How do you show her pussy is worthless? - The amount of attention you give her will determine that.

If you give her too much attention - Her pussy is gold to you

If you give her less attention - Her pussy is worthless

That's how women think.

If she's into you, she'll use her only weapon (pussy) to try and persuade you.
In so doing, she'll want to use it to prove to you that it's worth something.

A simple reverse psychology trick.

Use it well.

Wow! You said the exact way I'd say it.
Saying you're smart is an understatement.

If all guys think like this, a thread like this won't even exist--because women would be less entitled and less egotistical, and be more humble, respectful and submissive...

Philosopher1979:


Don't really blame her. At least be creative. Post something she will hate. Just a story she does not like.
Something like Einstein theory of relativity and a film on it or a bob marley song on one love.
At least that is different even if she hates it. By the way I'm kind of nerdish so I can post that.
Simps are not themselves around women. Just be yourself and say what is on your mind

Exactly. You are totally right brother.

Even Einstein once said,...Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Telling a girl hi, hi, hi for the past 5 years is insanity.

Sometimes, we blame women for their sauciness and attitude but most times we guys are the biggest contributors to that.

I checked a girl's chat(one of girlfriend at that time). She gets lots of messages online. A lot of the messages she got from men were boring, dull, needy and pathetic. All I saw was "Hi" "Hello" "hey", “hey baby" or "you are beautiful," or "wanna Bleep?” or “hey how are you?”, or “Heyyyyyyyyy” or "hi, you look beautiful" or "Hi, Sweetheart, you look sexy" or “Hi, Can I get to know you" ....

I looked at another lady's chat, all I saw literally was "how are you sweetheart, I really need you?" Or "Come and see me please?" Or Worse, some men even randomly sent her photos of their joysticks...

Wow

Anyways...

Philosopher1979, just like you said, "At least be creative."

Being creative when chatting with women doesn't mean you are trying to impress her. It means you are being "different" from all the other simping folks out there and putting yourself on the spotlight.

Everyone is different, and our creativity is what makes us different and this is what finally makes each and every one of us unique from each other.

And your uniqueness attract a woman. And your uniqueness is what attract money to you.

It's safe to say, being creative means showing your uniqueness. For example, an employer isn't looking to employ a person who's just like him in terms of skills and experience, but rather he's looking for a person who has a different and unique value, skills and experience to offer the company.


From the dictionary I just checked for some of the synonyms of creativity, I saw words like, Original, Expressive, Engaging and so on....

Take note of those three words, Original, Expressive and Engaging.

Original:

For example, like you said, telling her "Something like Einstein theory of relativity and a film on it or a bob marley song on one love".

That's actually more Original than telling her hi, hey, hello, hi...because you're putting your real self and uniqueness out there and showing willingness to standout.

She's might not really care for what you're talking about, but she'll be curious and be willing to engage with you to know why you are telling her that.





Expressive:

For example, telling her, "I don't trust most naija girls, but there's something crazy and cute about you that caught my attention."

That's more expressive than telling her "hi, or “Heyyyyyyyyy” or "hello, you are beautiful"

Because you're expressing your mind in a unique way and she'll be intrigued and curious and be willing to engage with you to know why you said that. As they say, "curious kills the cat" or better say, "curiosity wets the pussy..."



ENGAGING:

For example, telling her, "if I tell you the part of your face that makes you more beautiful, you are gonna be surprised."

That's more fun and engaging than telling her "hi, hi, hello"

Because she'll wonder and be curious and be willing to engage with you. As they say, "curious kills the cat" or better say, "curiosity makes the pants drops..."


If you try out those examples, I'm 90 to 99 percent sure that she's gonna respond to your message.

Most times when I chat women up for the first time, they often respond, if nothing else, but out of curiosity... Because my message always appear like an EXPLOSION in their inbox; and in their mind, they be like, "who the hell is this guy?"

I'm gonna STAND OUT immediately in her eyes....

Standing out is risky because you are putting yourself on the spotlight. The spotlight attract both love and hate, both compliment and criticism, both positive and negative reactions.

Only those who are very bold and confident always put themselves on the spotlight.

Oshokhai69:


This one say na consign

Oh! Thanks for the correction bro. I really appreciate that.

Philosopher1979:


I'm not an expert but I think most simps have a few bad principles.

1. Their self esteem depends on how much female attention and romance they get l. If women reject them they get depressed and feel bad instead of taking it as just a randomnevent. They need women to feel good. Women notice this neediness and take advantage.
2. They do not understand that the women themselves have to live up to some standards. They are trying to impress. They don't ask. What does a girl have to do to make me like her. It is always about what they have to do. I mean in ancient times a lady has to be a virgin to get married that is get male attention resources and validation and so she has to live up to some standards. Simps do everything to please women while the women don't have to do anything. I mean some simps will tolerate skimpy and revealing clothes from a girl as long as she dates them.
3. They believe women do not enjoy sex at all and see sex or pussy as a privilege.
4. They have scarcity mentality. This is why cold approach is good. By the time you have the phone number of 15 girls you won't feel bad if a lady rejects you. You will just call 3 other ladies. If a lady ignores a simp he will start sending money to her and begging her instead of talking to another girl
5. All these desperate and low self esteem attitudes are easily noticed by women and they exploit them.
6. If u are confident have cold approach with an abundance mind set u will get ladies without even reading any book

That's some powerful words shit you spitting right now... I totally cosign with you, especially Number 1, 2, 3 and 5.

BetaMegatron:


Simply put, To get a Loan from a bank, you'll need to show that you don't really need the loan ,but if you continuously go the bank everyday and demand for the Loan,the Bank will notice you're Desperate and will not give you the Loan,or they might give you the Loan but on their very own terms because you're desperate for it...

Bro, that's a great analogy....

I've even said something similar to that on this thread before. I guess so.

But actually, it doesn't really matter if you continuously go the bank everyday and demand for the Loan; Because as long as you keep demonstrating to the bank that you don't need loan, they'll keep giving it to you.

Most of the these wealthy fellas like Dangote and co go back to take loans from the banks all the freaking time to buy more assets, and the bank excitedly give it to them continuously. This is because they keep showing the banks proof in form of their networth, assets and collateral that they don't really give shit about getting the loan(Money). As a result, the banks are steadily dropping their pants for them; Oh! I mean, the banks are steadily giving the loan to them.

Relating this with women, if you want to inspire a woman to easily drop her panties and give you the pussy, you have to somehow demonstrate to her that you don't really give a shit about getting her pussy...

But also,

I prefer to look at it the other way round: if a woman want to have more acces to my time, effort, money, validation, approval, in summary, my full attention...she has to somehow demonstrate to me that she's really interested in me and she has some value to offer me.


This go back to my grounded principle of NOT being pussy focused and instead being attention focused.

Giving her the impression that you want to Bleep her doesn't really help increase your chances of fucking her; if nothing else, it tends to even reduce your chance of fucking her.


Instead of giving her the impression that you want to Bleep her, here are the 3 things you want to be doing instead:

Read these three points carefully because it will drastically improve your game.

POINT #1. Instead of giving her the impression that you want to Bleep her, Give her the impression that other girls want to Bleep you.

If a woman thinks other girls want to Bleep, she gets curious about you. She wonders, "is there more to this guy.... is there something special about this dude I don't know of yet".

The more curious she is about you, the more her panties tends to be gradually dropping down.

Ofcourse, it will be stupid to just verbally tell her that, "hey, other girls want to Bleep me." That's gonna sound unbelievable and silly.

But there are subtle and naturally ways to demonstrate that to her with your attitude while you're conversing with her; but that's a big topic for another day.



POINT #2. Instead of giving her the impression that you want to Bleep her, Give her the impression that she's the one that wants to Bleep you.

This seem subtle but it's very powerful.

Many guys interact with an attractive woman with the underlying mindset of -- I hope I have the chance to date her or Bleep her one day...

That's not cool.

The way most guys act detached and confident AFTER they have finally Bleep the girl is the exact way I act BEFORE I even Bleep her: I'm totally laid-back and act like she's the one who wants to Bleep me.

I converse with a woman as if I've ALREADY bleeped even though I haven't yet.

Again,

Many guys interact with an attractive woman with the underlying attitude of -- I so much want this girl, I really want to Bleep that pussy.

But that sort of attitude doesn't make her intrigued and curios about you: instead her interest and curiosity will drastically reduce..

Instead you want to interact with her with the underlying attitude of -- I know she love good dick and I know she'll want ride on mine soonest...

That's a different mindset...

I want go hard on this on this particular topic, but let's leave that for another day.




POINT #3. Instead of giving her the impression that you want to Bleep her, Give the impression that you're not easily impressed by her attractiveness and her sexuality.

Other guys are focused on the woman's pussy as if it's some valuable trophy to be achieved; I'm totally different. I treat it like it's almost worthless to me until she has to proof to me that it's worth it. She has to proof herself to me, and she's has to continuously keep proving to me that's she's worth it or else I'll withdraw my attention from her.

When I say stop being pussy focused, that's what I'm mainly talking about: The goal is to not to be so concerned about getting the pussy, the idea is to more concern about giving her the opportunity to impress you.

And also,

When I say be attention focused, that's what I'm mainly talking about: the idea is to be very selfish with your time, efforts, money compliments and validation...and only give to the girl as long as she is proving herself to you that's she's worth it.


If I'm yet to Bleep an attractive girl, I often behave as if I'm unimpressed with her attractiveness and sexuality. This is the opposite way most guys behave when they are yet to Bleep a beautiful girl. They act all excited and impressed as if she has done something special.

While other guys are salivating over her sexiness, telling her, "wow, you are so beautiful and sexy"; I act unimpressed and indifferent towards her sexiness, and instead in an half serious manner I'm telling her, "I can tell you are wearing a fake ass."

That's way more powerful than praising and validating her, because I'm are giving her the opportunity to proof herself to me.


If you're yet to Bleep her, then you want to give her the impression that you are not easily impressed by her. More importantly, you want to be selfish with your approval, compliment and validation.

It's funny, just literally yesterday, this cute lady I was talking to asked me, "please be honest with me, am I really that beautiful?"

I smiled because she's beautiful and she knows that. She was only looking for cheap compliments, praise and validation. In that moment most guys will shower her with loads of compliments immediately, but remember I'll NEVER DO THAT because #1. I haven't bleeped her yet, and/or #2. she has not done anything special to prove to me that she's worth it.

So I'm gonna be selfish with my validation.

My response was, "the only girls who are beautiful in my eyes are the girls I have already bleeped."

Although she found my response a bit hilarious, but it seemed to hit her emotionally in a powerful way.

Anyways,

In summary,

Girls are always told to be selfish with their pussy, and not just give it out easily to guys.

Same with you as a man, you should be selfish with your efforts, money, time, validation, compliments... and not just give it out easily to girls. They have to earn it.

Girls are told to play hard to get.

Same with you as a man, you should play hard to impressed and play hard to manipulate.

Nyascobar1414:
Nice read between pukka and Rizz,
both are valid..

But I think doing all these to get p*ssy as the reward aint worthit..

Girls show me greenlight and after some time,they start resenting me... Still I dont always care,I'm not always moved by their greenlight,etc... I give this IDGAF energy towards ladies,and they tend to notice it also and also hate me for it, man just lacks the energy in making things move forward with girls......
I'm more of MGTOW, and my philosophy is thus 'Nothing really matter, chasing the girl and getting to fvk her still has no worth or sense of value and fulfillment..
Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.. My love is for Philosophy etc..

Speaking of mgtow,

Last two months, on a Facebook redpill kinda group I wrote a post concerning the benefits of NOT being pussy focused.

Some fellas in their own different words said, "this is the best mgtow post they have read so far."

And I noticed that in other online space, any time I write about the importance of not focusing on the pussy and treating the pussy like it's worthless to you, most of the mgtow fellas often seemed to approve my post and give me positive response.

I wonder why tho

I found it funny because, my principle of NOT being pussy focused and being attention focused isn't intended for mgtow purpose. But rather it's intended to put me in a DOMINANT & POWERFUL state in my interactions and relationships with women.

Rizzputin:

Seduction is a dance between two people. She seduces you with her charm, feminine energy AND you seduce her with your masculine presence, leadership and charm as well.

You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. The reason why the focus is on the man as the seducer is because he has to lead. He has to lead the conversation, the vibe, the energy, the progress.

If he doesn't lead, nothing will happen. That is why the ball is on the man's court to make it happen.

Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game.

You both have to seduce each other. She looks at you and makes eye contact, the game starts. That's her attempt to seduce you. You walk up to her and talk to her ... you've subtly declared interested and you start seducing her. This dance will continue subtly under YOUR leadership as a man till you fùck her


Seduction is truly complete when you fùck her.

I'm sorry, I had to cut out some parts.

But I read it and I get your point: in summary, you are still make the argument that guys should be focused on the pussy.

Again, I'm not surprised. I expect you to disagree. Back in the days I'd also counter back to anybody telling me not to focus on the pussy. So I understand


Ok, let's begin again...

So you're advising guys to think with their dicks and focus on the pussy.

If you've dealt with different guys pertaining their dating life, you will realize that most guys are already thinking with their dicks and always focus on the pussy. But despite that they are still not enjoying the romantic success they want.


To be frank, this is not the only online space I teach game with women... I've gotten countless messages, PM, DM, email from guys telling me their issues with women and asking for my advice. I often see similar pattern. It's the still some how related to the same problem: focusing on the pussy.


Even offline, guys have met me, asking for my advice on some woman frustrating them... It's still almost the same pattern: focusing on the pussy, and not being attention focused.

You said something I like tho, you said,
"Seduction is like a game. You are both dancers and players in that game. The goal of seduction is to fùck her."

And you said


"Seduction is a dance between two people. You are both seducing each other because you are both interested. "


But that's the problem...

Because the truth is,

If a girl has zero interest in you, then no amount of seduction moves in the world can help suddenly make her interested; you are going to only waste your time, effort and money trying to seduce or woo her.

See, Rizzputin, I've seen this numbers of time where a guy will tell me about a girl who's not cooperating despite all his game, tactics and seductions..... Then after asking for more details about their own whole interaction, I'll observe that the girl was never even interested in him to begin with, she was just busy toying with his emotions and wasting his time.

And that's my problem with many guys: they don't want to accept that some girls will not be interested. And since they don't want to accept that, they buy into the false hope that if they have the right seduction tactics, then they can be able to get any girl they want.


But that's bullshit. That's total scam.


I think this why most guys I've worked with on one a one on improving their game with women always comeback telling me:

"Chris, you are the real deal"

"Pukka, you too legit die"

"Wow, you've solve the missing piece in my game"


Here's why:


#1. First, I tell them to stop worrying about trying get laid and to stop being focused on the pussy, because that's what causing them to experience fear and that's what's causing their game to be weak.

#2. Second, I teach them how to quickly find out within minutes in the very first conversation if the woman will be interested and not a timewaster. And if the girl is somewhat interested, I show him how to make her sexually comfortable with him and get her craving for his attention.




This why first and foremost, I teach men how quickly find out if the woman is really interested and not a timewaster. That's should be your first focused and concern.





Again, this reason why most guys who I've worked with trust me, because I'm very realistic:

I straightforwardly tell them that "As a guy, not every girl will be interested in you regardless of anything you do. You also have to understand that there are lots of girls out there who are times wasters and who are just looking to manipulate and exploit you.

So the GOAL is not to try to seduce every girl in to fucking you. But rather the GOAL is to find out if she'll be down or interested in you, so you can save yourself unnecessary headache, and only pull the trigger with a girl who's somewhat interested."

Again,

if a girl isn't interested in you, then no amount of game, redpill and seduction move in the world can help the situation, you are going to only waste your time, effort and money.

But, if you are conversing with a girl who has interest in you, then you don't really need seduction or any other pua/game crap, you just need to make her feel sexually comfortable/safe and move the interaction forward.



I love comparing sales and romance because I'm in both world. And because they both involved getting people to accept deal you are offering.

On the island where I do my run-around, I've top sales guys as friends who close big deals. When I ask them about their secret, they tell me that the goal isn't to really close the sales, but rather the goal is to find out if they talking to RIGHT PROSPECT who can afford what they are offering and who had some interest in it.


According, to one of them, he told me, "there's nothing more foolish than trying to sell to a person who has no interest in what you're offering."

But,

If you're selling the products/service to the prospect that want it and you make them feel assured that your product will truly solve their problem, then the customer will close the sales for you and he/she will practically throw the money at you."


Same with dating and women.


There's nothing more foolish than trying to seduce a girl who has no interest in what you are offering.

Your romantic success has nothing do with having the goal to fuvk to a woman. Having the goal of fucking the girl doesn't help you get the girl. Many guys already have the goal of fucking the girl, but still, they are not fucking her, they are instead jerking off to porn.



Just like those top sales guys, The goal ISN'T to really Bleep the girl or even make her your girlfriend, but rather THE GOAL is to find out if you're conversing with a woman who has real interest in you and who has the potential to be down with what you are offering.


Because if you're conversing with a girl that has interest in you and you make feel sexualy safe/comfortable with you, she'll practically throw the pussy you.

Rizzputin:


● Have a goal of fùcking her. Some people will tell you not to "think with your díck" OR not to "Focus on her pùssy"

I completely disagree with this. Seduction is largely about transfer of emotions. You want to transfer your emotions to her. That's why when you feel relaxed, she feels relaxed. You feel comfortable, she feels comfortable. And likewise, if you feel Hot, she feels Hot.

When you said,

"Some people will tell you not to "think with your díck" OR not to "Focus on her pùssy"


I know you're indirectly referring to me, because we know already I often say, "stop being pussy focused, instead be attention focused"



I'm not surprised that some guys will disagree with me on this, because back in the days, I would also disagree with myself.


But when I got to a level of confidence, sexual experience and maturity, I understood that---

A true powerful guy doesn't think with his dick.

A true confident guy is not pussy focused.

A true dominant guy doesn't have a goal of fucking her, he has a different goal entirely.

You'll find out what that goal is in a moment....Read on.



When I tell some guys to stop being pussy focused and to stop thinking with their dicks, their emotions get triggered and they try to disagree with me just like you are doing now.


Well, it's not your fault, it's the society fault. The media and society have brain washed men to believe that a woman's pussy is a highly valuable commodity that must be chased and acquired. This is why most men think with their dicks.




Thinking with your díck" OR being "Focus on her pùssy happens to be the biggest roadblock preventing most guys from even getting the pussy.


Here's how....


If you've read Stephen R. Covey's The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. He talked about something which really resonate with this issue.


Covey says that the more you concentrate on factors out of your control, the more your degree of "influence" is going to decrease. And Covey says that the more you concentrate on factors that are within your direct control, the greater your degree of influence increases.


As man, having access to a woman's pussy is totally out your control because it's the woman that "decide" if you'll get the sex or not. Anything that a woman has to "agree to" or has some degree of decision-making power is NOT in your direct control.


When you focus on something(pussy) which is out of your control, that thing(pussy) controls you.


So if you're thinking with your díck OR you're focus on her pùssy, then she controls you.


If you've read the "THE POWER OF PUSSY" by Kathy.


In that book, she literally said "most guys are pussy focused, so if you want exploit, manipulate and control men, you have to leverage the power of your pussy. The tactics in that book is so devilish. The idea in the book is to get the man to think with his dick and focus on the pussy, because that's the only way the woman can manipulate and control him.


Isn't it funny how these generation of men is the weakest and least respected by women. One reason for that is because these generation of men think with their dicks and they value the pussy more than their time and self-respect.


One thing I discovered is that most times, the guy who is struggling to get the girl is struggling because he has the desperate goal of fùcking her. Because, to him fucking her is the prize to win, so he view getting the pussy as winning and he view NOT getting the pussy as losing.


To define winning by getting the pussy is putting your power and self-worth in the hands of the woman.


If a woman has the POWER to make you a winner or loser by simply giving you the pussy or NOT giving you, then she will use that power against you to toy with your emotions and manipulate you.



If you want to be truly POWERFUL with women and get them follow your lead as the leader, then you need to eradicate low value mindset.


Thinking with your dick or focusing on the pussy is a low value mindset.


You are not supposed be worried about getting the pussy. The woman should be the one worrying if she should give you the pussy or not.


Your job is to be at your most powerful behavior. Her job is to seduce and mate with the powerful guy.


As a guy, if you have to be the one to seduce her, then you're doing something fundamentally wrong.


A powerful guy doesn't seduce the woman because he's the GREAT CATCH to be won over. Instead he gives the woman the opportunity and chance to seduce him. It's the woman's job to seduce you.


Women are the ultimate seducers. But Women are not seducing because men are pussy focused, trying to seduce the women.


Look, the true Power lies with the one who is being seduced not the one seducing. In that case, True game is the ability to get the woman to be the seducer and chaser. She has to be the one craving for your attention; NOT you craving for her pussy.



Just yesterday, this dark cute lady literally told me, "if you make me your girlfriend, you are gonna enjoy me..." (I guess I have talked about how I met her somewhere on this thread where I was asked about the topic relating to "engaging in small talks vs having deep conversations with a good girl"


The other day another girl was telling me, "you this big head, I gave you my phone number but you never cared to even call me."


Again, Last week another lady was telling me, "you don't want me to come to your house, right?... A fine girl like me wants to visit you, you are doing shakara."



Now, the reason why these ladies are craving for my attention is because I'm not focus on their pussy. I treat their pussies like it worthless to me. This literally drives them crazy and get them confused because they rarely see a guy who's not thinking with his dick and doesn't give a fuvk flying about getting their pussies.





To wrap it up,


To win with women, the pussy has to naturally come to you; NOT you being focused on it or trying to calculatedly seduce your way to get it.


This is very important.


Treat women like humans, and not like some "pussy prize" or trophy to be won.


The GOAL is NOT to Bleep her. That's a childish goal. That kind of goal will make you feel WEAK and insecure because fucking her is not in your direct control.


Rather THE GOAL is to simply find out if she's truly interested you and if she's even worth your attention. That kind of goal will make you come across as mature, assertive and confident. Because you are treating your attention as the prize to be won, not her pussy.




Now, most guys won't quickly or easily grab all this concept have just written because they are not socially conditioned to think this way; instead they've been socially programmed to be focused on the pussy and to think with their dicks.


This is way deeper, and It will take some experience and paradigm shift before a guy can truly apply this mindset.


But just bookmark or save this page because I believe I have planted a seed in your mind; one day the seed with germinate and you'll experience a mindset shift and you will look back for this post and say, "Wow! Pukka was right all this while, a guy shouldn't be pussy focused."


Stay blessed.

KingEarnest:
Damn! I'm saving this.

But boss, can this interaction also happen on calls/whatsapp after getting the number or strictly when you meet with her on a date or something?

Sure bro, it can also happen on calls/Whatsapp.

IAmHim1:
hie pukkalolo

I sincerely apologise for derailing your thread. My purpose was geared towards supplementing but i guess i did it the wrong way

There are lots of people seeking to end their addictions from people who have been there and out and i know you still have a lot planned concerning this thread.
Please dont let my petty misguided itooknow discourage your efforts so farr in this thread


i look foward to more wisdom from you.

One love

cc: pukkalolo

Actually, you didn't derail the thread; I was hopefully expecting valuable contributions from others like yourself. And you wrote fantastically well.

I got busy with an urgent project that had a deadline to be completed, that was why I couldn't carry on with this thread anymore...

But couple of guys have send me PM asking me dropped more wisdoms pertaining quitting addictions.... I'm gonna create another thread for that.

#Respect

Presido22:


Pukkalolo

I don't have have any issue having normal conversations with girls, but the problem is HOW and WHEN to transit from ordinary talk (small talks) to deep and sexual conversation without coming weird, creepy or as a pervert whch might turn her off. how important is deep conversation n can u get/sleep with a "good girl" with only small talk? Abeg explain in details.

First of all, there's nothing like "good girl".

Most women are socially conditioned to present themselves as "good girls" in order to increase their chance of attracting a husband.

The kind girls I get easily are the "good girls" because most of them are low-key freaks faking as good girl. So all I do is to simply challenge the "good girl" facade they are putting on and make them sexually comfortable with me.

Ok... We are just starting...

When you say small talk, I guess you mean polite and “socially-accepted subject” like, "where are you from?" Or "how's your day going" or "you live around here?" and other basic shallow kind of conversation.

Small talk are ordinary and socially-accepted, so women are going to respond fairly okay to that.

But at the core, most guys are damn scared of upsetting the women that's why they stick to small talk. From my own personal experience, your chance of sexing the so called "good girl" is drastically reduced when you engage in too much unnecessary "small talk" and basic polite conversation.

Here's the bitter reality: A lot of women you try to hit on or escalate the conversation with will generally view you as "creepy/pervert" if they are not somewhat attracted or interested in you.

If that colleague she's tripping for at the office wink at her while he's passing by, she'll probably blush and feel butterfly in her stomach. And she might even text her bestie immediately, "OMG, guess what? Henry just winked at me. Omg! My head is spinning right now."

But if another colleague she doesn't really fancy does the same, she's gonna feel disgusted and be like, "who's this creep"

And if she's a total psycho, she might even report him for sexual harrassment.

As long as she doesn't like you in that way, and you try to escalate/sexualize the conversation, you tend to be immediately branded as that "creepy"/perverted guy.

No wonder guys are scared of hitting on the girls they find attractive: they don't want to be viewed as creepy....

I guess this is the part that drastically separates me from most guys.

Other guys sight a "good girl", and they think: "how can I move the interaction forward with her without coming across a weird, creepy or turning her off?"

Then they start talking to her in a polite manner using "small talks" and they try their best to make sure they don't say anything that would make her dislike them.... Months later, they wonder why this good girl isn't still reciprocating their interest...


But when I sight that same so called "good girl", I subconsiously think: "She'll loves to ride good dick...and I know she might love ultra confident and classy dude like myself... I also know she's a naughty girl putting up the good girl facade..... Well, let me get to know her and find out."


Then I talk to her and start challenging her ego. I reduce or even avoid small talks entirely. I go beyond "socially acceptable" topics, and talk about things that might possibly make her view me as creepy or weird....and paradoxically I end up dating her.


Look, Presido22...

The goal of conversation with a new girl is typically to get to know her.

But most guys aren't genuinely trying to know the woman, but rather they are pussy focused, trying to get the sex, relationship or trying to get her validation... And as a result, they don't truly get to know her, they don't get the pussy, they don't date her, and to top it all, they also waste their time/effort and money for nothing.

But for me, I'm not so concerned about getting the pussy. I'm more genuinely concern about getting to know the girl to confirm if she's really worth my attention...And as a result, I know deep things aboue her that most people close to her don't even know, and I also get the pussy in the process...


I recently met a girl that called me weird, but we still connect regardless.... Here's how it happened:

One evening, I was hanging out with my guy who just arrived in town. Then this cute tall dark skinned chic came close by. She has this "good girl" outward appearance.

But in my mind I was like "few days from now I'm gonna bring out the naughty girl in you..."

Without hesitation I quickly started talking to her. My guy just quitely eavesdropped on our conversation.

The first thing I told her was, "I guess you saw the new rules I made?"

She looked at me in a confused manner and said, "what rules"

I continued, "that I'm only gonna date tall and dark skinned girls from now onwards...no wonder you came close so I can check you out."

After saying that, I smiled and winked at her.

She smiled and replied, "I came close so you can check me out, like you are special or something... keep deceiving yourself."

Then I said, "I can tell you are a makeup artist or something like that... But my kind of job is way more crazier than yours."

She said, "I never said I'm makeup artist...and if I may ask, what kind of job do you do that's way more crazier?"

I replied playfully, "I'm a porn star"

She laughed and said, "you got to be kidding me..."

I continued sarcastically, "but I get paid very little as a porn star because they said my sugarcane is too tiny... like, you know, toothpick size..."

She laughed, "OMG, you're so weird, very weird..."

Then I said, "but be honest, does a guy sugarcane size even matters in a relationship?"

She responded.....Our conversation got deeper....

We talked about how important sex is in a relationship... She talked about what she really looks for in a partner. She told me about her past dating experiences. We talked a lot deep stuff.

40 minutes later or so, we exchanged digits and set up a day to hang out... Then she left my presence.

I then turn my attention to my guy--who was still looking amazed by how I was able to quickly sexualized the conversation and go deep.


This is how I interact with women the vast majority of the time.

In my interactions with with girls, there's no HOW and WHEN to transit from small talk to deep/sexual conversation because I try my best not to even engaged in "small talk" to begin with...

I most times get down to business asap and get "deep" immediately. Ladies will often tell me, "I have known you for only few days, but you make me feel like we already know each other for many years."

Anyways... I hope I answered your question.

PinkNature:


Please rest, rest and rest about all this copy and paste posts about women.

Basing our discussions about women alone, is plain retrogression.

Self development, grooming for men, exercise tips, how to manage our finances etc should be of top priority.

I'm tired of seeing grown men wail about women every single day.

Some people here aren't even in a relationship, which literally means that posts about women will literally build up hate.

It's not like we can have more than 10 women at a time. So why all the wailing about women every now and then?

PinkNature you are right and wrong at the same time.

Let me first talk about why you are wrong.

Just like what KingEarnest pointed out, "This is the romance section and it is about women. If you want lessons on finance, you can go to the business section."

He's totally right. This is a romance section, so logically most discussion here would have to be somehow centered around interactions and dealings with the opposite sex. For example, in the business section or food section, you can't be talking about redpill, game and women there. Of course, that will be totally absurd.


And again, from the beginning, the foundation of this thread has been strictly redpill and discussion about women, so you don't expect the original discussion to suddenly change now the thread as become bigger.

If you want to discuss other topics, then I'll encourage you to open a new thread strictly for that. As long as you have some good ideas, fellas will definitely check out the thread to learn.


Now, let me talk about why you are right...

In the very introduction of my book, I said

"I assume that most guys who are reading this book have their "basics" handle...or at least are working towards getting them handled. When I say basics, I mean your physical appearance, having a good personality, having ambition regarding your education, career and finances..."

I wrote that because I know self-improvement in other areas of life aside women is very important.

But I don't like calling it self-improvement, I prefer to call it self-destruction....

IAmHim1 recently created a post I totally agreed with where he said, "Freedom comes with limitations. Knowing what exactly YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO so as to enjoy being free."

Same thing with self-improvement. Self-improvement comes with self-destruction. Destroying and Letting go of certaint aspect of yourself leads to self-improvement.

It's foolishness trying to improve on something that's bad... You have to destroy the bad stuff first, or else the bad stuff might contaminate the good stuff.


You have to destroy your old self, so you can create a new powerful self.

Infact, most men financial or dating problem could easily be solved by simply destroying wrong habits, mindset, beliefs...

Using belief has example,

For instance, if you belief that women don't enjoy sex as much as men do, this belief would naturally affect your behavior. You would act to eager or desperate, or you'd be trying to act impressive in order to convince her to give you sex. And worse, women will most likely feel uncomfortable expressing their real sexual nature around you because they'll be scared you'll judge them or think they are cheap.


Another example, if you believe making money is hard, then making money will turn out to seem kinda hard to get for no reason.

Beliefs and habits are very powerful. Unfortunately, bad beliefs or habit are hard to pinpoint and also harder to destroy, this is why many people keep struggling to "self-improve" their life.

Again, using money as example: if you're trying to improve your finance and make money, but you subconsciously belief money is hard to get...that belief will certainly contradict and hinder your ability to make money.

It's foolish trying to build a new life on a lifestyle that's bad... You have to first destroy the bad stuff; that is, the bad beliefs/habits/mindsets, or else these bad stuff will contaminate the good life you are trying to build.

The question isn't really about what you need to improve, but rather, what you need to destroy or let go off.

Don't ask yourself, "what do I need to do in order to improve?"

Instead ask yourself, "what do I need to stop in order to improve?"